Second Impression of Breshad Perriman

[arnie_uk]

Brown actually isn't that fast in a straight line, he isn't slow but he is no Dorsett in terms of speed. His quickness and route running ability scare me a whole lot more. I know Brown wasn't the best route runner coming out of CMU, he is right now the best route runner in the NFL. I know Dorsett wasn't used well at Miami but I would still call it a massive stretch for him to become the type of route runner Brown is. I am not saying he can't, but if it were easy to become the route runner Brown is, everyone would be. It is simply too big a jump to dismiss because he wasn't used well by Miami.

I am not irked by people making comparisons to other players, what irks me is people blowing those comparisons out of proportion. There are similarities between the 2 players, both are explosive, both are small. But when it comes down to it like you say, every player is different. I view Antonio Brown as being a special type of player, you aren't going to find another player exactly like him. The people calling Dorsett the next Antonio Brown because they have somewhat similar measurables is what irks me. It is just like the people who called Derek Wolfe the next JJ Watt. I know you aren't dumb enough to go out and say Dorsett is going to be Antonio Brown and I don't feel like it is something that is a huge problem on these forums but there are a lot of people out there who think that Dorsett is Antonio Brown 2.0.

As others have said, I prefer to evaluate the player as opposed to assigning them a comparison because like you say, every player is different. I think the general purpose of a player comparison is to get a general idea on a player out to more mainstream fans who may not know all the specifics on a prospect. Us fans on here look into these guys more than the mainstream fan generally does so usually we can evaluate prospects based on what they bring to the table.

no one from what I've read called him the next brown. Just said they have similarities in their game at the SAME STAGE of their careers. Not browns career now.

Again, from what I read.

[gabefergy]

Brown was by no means a great route runner in college. He wasn't bad, mind you, nor unrefined, but his routes needed work. With that said, he was a pretty productive WR for CMU. When I compare prospects, I look at how they appear coming out and don't compare them to their current players and skill, since that's an unfair comparison. I think there are very close similarities between them both that make the comparison more than fair. I think the Hilton comparison works as well, but I see more Antonio Brown in his game than Hilton. The question is if he has the drive to do what Brown did. It's Brown's mental makeup that made him what he is.

I just don't think Brown was utilized in college the same way as Dorsett was which is why I don't get this comparison at all. It's basically a pure projection.

 

Brown had decent speed for sure, but he also had an above average ability to get open all over the field. He was used a lot more across the middle on short and intermediate routes and even as a rusher. I just don't really see any comparison between the two as college players. Dorsett is far more explosive and much more of a vertical threat with a little bit of the YAC game mixed in. Brown averaged around 10 YPC throughout his career and Dorsett was over 17, with a ridiculous 24 YPC in his last season. 

 

Dorsett has some shiftiness to him, but we are talking about the premier route runner in the NFL in Antonio Brown. That's what makes him who he is as a WR. Projecting any player with the limited routes that Dorsett demonstrated in college to be that kind of player is confusing to say the least.

[ravensdan]

Yeah he reminds me of rookie year julio more than anyone else.

I went back and re listened to Greg Cossells take on perriman. He states he has a chance to be the best receiver in the class down the road. And says his size and overall movement is somewhat similar to Julio Jones was. So there's that Comp.

Edited May 6, 2015 by ravensdan

[JoeyFlex5]

McCarron didn't start for Alabama until 2011 when Julio was in the NFL, Greg McElroy who was on the Jets for a couple years was the starter for Julio. McElroy also was one of the analysts for the NFLPA bowl this year

 

Disappointed in you Crush

really? hm, well i feel stupid. lol

[Crabcakes&Football]

Just to be clear, I am a big fan of Perriman pick. He was my 2nd best WR left on the board and he had the highest upside of any of the remaining WRs.

I do think it will take some time for him though. I expect a rookie season that looks something like Torrey's. Ideally, he fits right into that vertical role and the rest of the game develops quickly.

That's not a bad thing. Torrey's rookie season was really really good for those who forget. I thought he would develop into a star receiver, just never worked out that way.

I think Perriman will make a better pro than he was in college. I noticed he gets a step on his guy a lot but then has to compensate for poor throws. Also 1 drop out of 14 for deep balls. That seems a lot better rate than we got with Torrey Smith. Being a deep threat is more than speed, you have to be a threat to catch it as well.

[ravensnick]

That's not a bad thing. Torrey's rookie season was really really good for those who forget. I thought he would develop into a star receiver, just never worked out that way.

I think Perriman will make a better pro than he was in college. I noticed he gets a step on his guy a lot but then has to compensate for poor throws. Also 1 drop out of 14 for deep balls. That seems a lot better rate than we got with Torrey Smith. Being a deep threat is more than speed, you have to be a threat to catch it as well.

My biggest problem with torrey is he never improved upon his rookie season. He was always the same guy and that was fine his rookie and sophmore year because he was above the curve then, but he fell far behind. Perriman is a guy that wants to work hard, comes from a pro style offense, attacks the ball, will run over the middle, and is a complete freak athlete. Torrey is a very bad comparison for him, I think the true comparison for Perriman would be Demaryius Thomas or Josh Gordon.

Edited May 6, 2015 by ravensnick

[GrimCoconut]

My biggest problem with torrey is he never improved upon his rookie season. He was always the same guy and that was fine his rookie and sophmore year because he was above the curve then, but he fell far behind. Perriman is a guy that wants to work hard, comes from a pro style offense, attacks the ball, will run over the middle, and is a complete freak athlete. Torrey is a very bad comparison for him, I think the true comparison for Perriman would be Demaryius Thomas or Josh Gordon.

Now I don't think that's fair. Torrey never made leaps and bounds improvements, but he made some small changes to his game that did become apparent. He did improve, just not in a big way.

[ravensnick]

Now I don't think that's fair. Torrey never made leaps and bounds improvements, but he made some small changes to his game that did become apparent. He did improve, just not in a big way.

The standard rule in the NFL is you give the WR three years to hit full potential. Torrey never made the leap that star WRs in the NFL do. He improved on the minor details, but ultimately, I don't think anything could have made him viable for fighting for the ball and running throw the middle. With the way Joe threw the ball, a quick WR that will muscle his way to the ball could have been massive for our O. No disrespect to Torrey, but there is a ton of WRs I would rather have than him. Especially for $8 million a year. Maybe it's just that last INT vs the Pats that still has me irked up about it. That was really awful and inexcusably in my eyes. 

[GrimCoconut]

The standard rule in the NFL is you give the WR three years to hit full potential. Torrey never made the leap that star WRs in the NFL do. He improved on the minor details, but ultimately, I don't think anything could have made him viable for fighting for the ball and running throw the middle. With the way Joe threw the ball, a quick WR that will muscle his way to the ball could have been massive for our O. No disrespect to Torrey, but there is a ton of WRs I would rather have than him. Especially for $8 million a year. Maybe it's just that last INT vs the Pats that still has me irked up about it. That was really awful and inexcusably in my eyes.

O reely?

[gabefergy]

That's not a bad thing. Torrey's rookie season was really really good for those who forget. I thought he would develop into a star receiver, just never worked out that way.

I think Perriman will make a better pro than he was in college. I noticed he gets a step on his guy a lot but then has to compensate for poor throws. Also 1 drop out of 14 for deep balls. That seems a lot better rate than we got with Torrey Smith. Being a deep threat is more than speed, you have to be a threat to catch it as well.

Not a bad thing at all. He has a chance to develop into a truly special WR too. There will definitely be some frustrating moments from him, but I think once Bobby Engram has a chance to work with him on a consistent basis he will work out great.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I would be thrilled with a season similar to what Torrey had hos rookie year, especially if he catches a game winning TD pass against the Steelers

[52520Andrew]

really? hm, well i feel stupid. lol

I've made worse mistakes before haha, I once had Camp going to NC State in one of my mock drafts last year

[52520Andrew]

no one from what I've read called him the next brown. Just said they have similarities in their game at the SAME STAGE of their careers. Not browns career now.

Again, from what I read.

That is fine, as long as they are clear about it and that Brown has developed a lot since he came out.

[Mt. Crushmore]

McCarron didn't start for Alabama until 2011 when Julio was in the NFL, Greg McElroy who was on the Jets for a couple years was the starter for Julio. McElroy also was one of the analysts for the NFLPA bowl this year

 

Disappointed in you Crush

 

Finals week...

[52520Andrew]

Finals week...

I can understand that, finals are brutal

[ellicottraven]

How good of a WR coach is Bobby Engram??

[RavensFanMania]

How good of a WR coach is Bobby Engram??

he's an excellent WR coach

[Mt. Crushmore]

How good of a WR coach is Bobby Engram??

 

We are going to find out in the next few years as the WR corps is likely going to be pretty young.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Mt. Crushmore

[Clmraven]

How good of a WR coach is Bobby Engram??

The jury is still out for me, all of our receivers that were here prior to engram had down years stats wise after he came in, all though that could have been attributed to the new offense, I didn't see much improvement play wise from 2013 to 2014 that could just be the lack of above average talent at the wide out position rather than engrams ability to coach, we'll soon find out if he is any good this year I think, things I'll be looking for is him helping improve route running ability for most of our receivers since almost all them have questions in that department.

[ravensnick]

Maxx williams and Za'Darius smith are awesome picks

 

I'm just not in love with this one..i have my doubts.

Quick Question: Who would you rather have had in the first if you are going to do nothing but blast Perriman?

Edited May 10, 2015 by ravensnick

[Static]

Quick Question: Who would you rather have had in the first if you are going to do nothing but blast Perriman?

 

I don't think anyone would have complained about Byron Jones or trading back.

[Sami84]

Quick Question: Who would you rather have had in the first if you are going to do nothing but blast Perriman?

 

Trade back in mid 20's second ..get paul dawson ( boy what a mistake other teams made not taking him) and get a mid 3rd round and take Lockett.

 

So the draft would have been

 

Paul Dawson (best ILB in the draft..awesome player and Bengals are going to have an elite player)

Maxx Williams

Tyler Lockett. ( hes awesome)

Carl Davis

Za'Darius Smith

Buck Williams

Edited May 10, 2015 by Sami84

[ravensnick]

Trade back in mid 20's second ..get paul dawson ( boy what a mistake other teams made not taking him) and get a mid 3rd round and take Lockett.

 

So the draft would have been

 

Paul Dawson (best ILB in the draft..awesome player and Bengals are going to have an elite player)

Maxx Williams

Tyler Lockett. ( hes awesome)

Carl Davis

Za'Darius Smith

Buck Williams

That's not the question. Who knows if we got offered anywhere near that. Who knows if those guys were even ranked that high. That's way to what if and probably nowhere close to realistic. Who would you have preferred at 26, seeing who was available? I could see Malcom Brown and maybe Byron Jones. But Brown doesn't really fit our defense and Jones is just as raw, if not more so, than Perriman. Point is, pickings were slim.

Edited May 10, 2015 by ravensnick

[Sami84]

honestly id pick paul dawson..hes the best ILB in the draft and would give us a dominant young pairing of Mosley and Dawson for a long time.

[-Truth-]

honestly id pick paul dawson..hes the best ILB in the draft and would give us a dominant young pairing of Mosley and Dawson for a long time.

 

We could've taken him with any of the following two selections since he went in the very bottom of the 3rd round, therefore picking him in the first would've been an overdraft. I like Dawson personally, but I'm not sure that he's the clear-cut best ILB in the Draft. Eric Kendricks was right up there.

Edited May 10, 2015 by -Truth-

[Cillmatic]

So if he's so bad why has Harbaugh been praising him and why haven't we traded him yet?

[Sami84]

So if he's so bad why has Harbaugh been praising him and why haven't we traded him yet?

 

lol..go read the elam threads about how the team saw him in his first training camp

[Sami84]

Some people are under the delusion that they're better talent evaluators than Ozzie and the rest of Ravens' scouts and coaches.

 

they get a lot wrong too..

 

its a fact that 60-70% of our picks bust…more along the latter..so i'm just guessing that in this draft perriman will be one of the busts.

[BmoreBird22]

they get a lot wrong too..

 

its a fact that 60-70% of our picks bust…more along the latter..so i'm just guessing that in this draft perriman will be one of the busts.

I would definitely argue against 60-70% because what constitutes a bust? A fourth rounder who was never gonna see the field and didn't? 

[Sami84]

outside of CJ mosley we have drafted a grand total of 

 

0 pro bowlers or all pros since 2009

 

 

you could say we have had solid draft picks but nothing special. Mosely has been the first in half a decade