Second Impression of Breshad Perriman

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah, he's bigger, got better (at least more aggressive) hands, far more fluid and already a better route runner (to be fair to Torrey, it's hard to say how much of that owed to Cam) and doesn't have the same top-end speed of Torrey imo. I don't think he'll be the same pure deep threat, but he should be a lot better as a possession guy.

 

Demariyus is closer, but even Kelvin Benjamin or Jon Baldwin may not be off if we're talking about guys coming out of college. Not to say he will be one of those guys, but I do think they're more accurate than Torrey comparisons.

idk about that, i know that 40 times dont accurately depict how fast a player is on the field, im judging off of tape. perrimans take-off seems much quicker than torreys, and i see him pulling away from db's so effortlessly in footraces, i mean there are time on perrimans tape where he beats a guy over the top, gets underthrown, stops and catches the ball, while the db is in full sprint the whole time to make the tackle, but perriman STILL pulls away after he makes the catch. i think perriman is legitimately faster than torrey, in-game as well as workouts.

[gabefergy]

I'm not sure if I compared Perriman to Benjamin, but upon further review, I think that's wrong. I don't see any Benjamin in him. Benjamin and Baldwin are slower than Perriman. Perriman has deep speed, and while he doesn't play up to his 4.2 whatever speed, he's certainly fast. I say he might be as fast as Torrey. Strong reminds me of Baldwin. I'm not sure who Perriman reminds me of, honestly. I suppose it's fair to compare him to Thomas, although I don't necessarily like those comparisons either.

Hard to come up with a godo comp for Perriman. He isn't as put together has Demaryius or Julio, but he is a lot faster than Benjamin. I kinda want to say Cordarralle Patterson in terms of body-type, but their playstyles are different. CP was/is much better with the ball in his hands, but isn't a natural pass-catcher and still can't run a route.

[GrimCoconut]

idk about that, i know that 40 times dont accurately depict how fast a player is on the field, im judging off of tape. perrimans take-off seems much quicker than torreys, and i see him pulling away from db's so effortlessly in footraces, i mean there are time on perrimans tape where he beats a guy over the top, gets underthrown, stops and catches the ball, while the db is in full sprint the whole time to make the tackle, but perriman STILL pulls away after he makes the catch. i think perriman is legitimately faster than torrey, in-game as well as workouts.

I actually think Perriman could be faster, or as fast, as Torrey. He's both quick and fast and that's something I don't think Torrey ever really had. I'm not sure if he's as fast yet, but I do think that will be answered soon enough. I think Perriman is better than Torrey in many ways, although that isn't to say Torrey is bad because he's not.

I'll miss Torrey, but I think Perriman will help us move on from him.

[GrimCoconut]

Hard to come up with a godo comp for Perriman. He isn't as put together has Demaryius or Julio, but he is a lot faster than Benjamin. I kinda want to say Cordarralle Patterson in terms of body-type, but their playstyles are different. CP was/is much better with the ball in his hands, but isn't a natural pass-catcher and still can't run a route.

Yeah that's exactly how I feel as well. I don't see anyone with whom I can compare him. I see many qualities of many WR in him, both good and bad. I think he's just his own guy and he's not really comparable to anyone in the NFL at the moment.

[Inqui]

idk about that, i know that 40 times dont accurately depict how fast a player is on the field, im judging off of tape. perrimans take-off seems much quicker than torreys, and i see him pulling away from db's so effortlessly in footraces, i mean there are time on perrimans tape where he beats a guy over the top, gets underthrown, stops and catches the ball, while the db is in full sprint the whole time to make the tackle, but perriman STILL pulls away after he makes the catch. i think perriman is legitimately faster than torrey, in-game as well as workouts.

You know what I think about 40 times. I couldn't tell you Torrey's and I can only guess Perriman's because I think someone brought it up in one of the threads. But in terms of just running 50 yards down the field (which is what I mean by top-end speed: having a bit of time to build to your peak speed) I feel like we're getting a downgrade from Torrey. For all his faults, he's as good as anyone in the league at simply putting on the burners. I could be wrong though, and I'll admit that's a problem with the eye test.

 

I don't mean to say Perriman's slow either: I'd be surprised if we don't get some good returns out of deep plays (just that I think Torrey's quicker at the deep stuff) and in terms of short- and middle-distance plays the mismatches are absolutely there. The only difference is that Perriman's bigger so he should be harder to cover in a lot of actual NFL plays than Torrey was.

[GrimCoconut]

You know what I think about 40 times. I couldn't tell you Torrey's and I can only guess Perriman's because I think someone brought it up in one of the threads. But in terms of just running 50 yards down the field (which is what I mean by top-end speed: having a bit of time to build to your peak speed) I feel like we're getting a downgrade from Torrey. For all his faults, he's as good as anyone in the league at simply putting on the burners. I could be wrong though, and I'll admit that's a problem with the eye test.

I don't mean to say Perriman's slow either: I'd be surprised if we don't get some good returns out of deep plays (just that I think Torrey's quicker at the deep stuff) and in terms of short- and middle-distance plays the mismatches are absolutely there. The only difference is that Perriman's bigger so he should be harder to cover in a lot of actual NFL plays than Torrey was.

Perriman is nominally bigger than Smith. Smith is 6-1 210ish and Perriman is 6-2ish and 215ish. Their body composition is very similar. Perriman may be as fast as Torrey. The biggest thing about Perriman is he plays bigger and uses his size better, finds weaknesses in coverage better, works back to the ball better and catches better than Torrey. They're both similar in their deep speed and they can gash a defense. They're also similar because they both have a tendency to sit on their routes and that's frustrating. Perriman is much better than Torrey at YAC, though, so that's a big deal.

The drops are different between them. Perriman lacks focus and concentration, whereas Torrey was just never natural catching with his hands but he's better than given credit in that regard. I actually think Perriman shifts through his gears and accelerates as fast as Torrey. I also love how quick he is in his routes and his catching radius. He could really be a dangerous weapon for us if he puts it together

In short, I see his floor as Torrey Smith and his ceiling as Dez Bryant.

Edited May 6, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah that's exactly how I feel as well. I don't see anyone with whom I can compare him. I see many qualities of many WR in him, both good and bad. I think he's just his own guy and he's not really comparable to anyone in the NFL at the moment.

i take the comparisons as "______ looks like ______ looked when he was coming out of college" not comparing to a nfl veteran, you just cant do that, especially with WR's because that is a position where players really evolve over time in major ways. i like to refer to the DT comparison but really i think someone who nailed it was michael irvin when he compared him to andre johnson coming out of college, he also had concerns with occasional drops and they are built almost identical and had the same route concerns coming out, they showed the ability but lacked the refinement. 

 

 

You know what I think about 40 times. I couldn't tell you Torrey's and I can only guess Perriman's because I think someone brought it up in one of the threads. But in terms of just running 50 yards down the field (which is what I mean by top-end speed: having a bit of time to build to your peak speed) I feel like we're getting a downgrade from Torrey. For all his faults, he's as good as anyone in the league at simply putting on the burners. I could be wrong though, and I'll admit that's a problem with the eye test.

 

I don't mean to say Perriman's slow either: I'd be surprised if we don't get some good returns out of deep plays (just that I think Torrey's quicker at the deep stuff) and in terms of short- and middle-distance plays the mismatches are absolutely there. The only difference is that Perriman's bigger so he should be harder to cover in a lot of actual NFL plays than Torrey was.

torrey ran a 4.42 i believe, and i think he had some "unofficial" 40 times at the combine in the 4.35-36 area as well. 

 

40 times tend to be less accurate at pro days but perriman did not perform at the combine and he consistently was running in the mid 4.2 range, for context, jacoby jones ran a 4.5 at the combine, so even if the pro day times were .05 off everytime, he is still running a whole tenth of a second faster than jacoby jones. 

 

and i think the speed is very apparent on tape, he just plays a more well rounded game than torrey and he gears up and down to his advantage and is changing direction more often than a typical straight line burner, while torrey ever since college just steps on the gas and goes, that may be whats making you think torrey is faster. next time youre watching perriman, see how lethal he is when he gets the ball in his hands and he gears up, he almost always pulls away in dramatic fashion

[GrimCoconut]

i take the comparisons as "______ looks like ______ looked when he was coming out of college" not comparing to a nfl veteran, you just cant do that, especially with WR's because that is a position where players really evolve over time in major ways. i like to refer to the DT comparison but really i think someone who nailed it was michael irvin when he compared him to andre johnson coming out of college, he also had concerns with occasional drops and they are built almost identical and had the same route concerns coming out, they showed the ability but lacked the refinement.

torrey ran a 4.42 i believe, and i think he had some "unofficial" 40 times at the combine in the 4.35-36 area as well.

40 times tend to be less accurate at pro days but perriman did not perform at the combine and he consistently was running in the mid 4.2 range, for context, jacoby jones ran a 4.5 at the combine, so even if the pro day times were .05 off everytime, he is still running a whole tenth of a second faster than jacoby jones.

and i think the speed is very apparent on tape, he just plays a more well rounded game than torrey and he gears up and down to his advantage and is changing direction more often than a typical straight line burner, while torrey ever since college just steps on the gas and goes, that may be whats making you think torrey is faster. next time youre watching perriman, see how lethal he is when he gets the ball in his hands and he gears up, he almost always pulls away in dramatic fashion

Actually I totally agree on comparing prospects against players when they came out of college. That's a reason why Dorsett reminds me more of Brown than Hilton but I digress.

On the subject of Perriman and Johnson, that might be a good comparison but it's not one I can honestly make because I'm not really old enough and haven't followed the draft that closely when I was that young.

[Static]

Pretty sure Cosell compared him to Julio Jones. Not sure I fully agree but I do see the similarities.

 

" Will drop the routine pass on occasion and body catches at times. Was able to consistently separate in college but still developing as a route-runner. Needs to do a better job setting up defenders and getting out of breaks. Willing to go over the middle but needs to show more consistency catching in traffic"

 

Julios draft profile

[JoeyFlex5]

" Will drop the routine pass on occasion and body catches at times. Was able to consistently separate in college but still developing as a route-runner. Needs to do a better job setting up defenders and getting out of breaks. Willing to go over the middle but needs to show more consistency catching in traffic"

 

Julios draft profile

if perriman was coached by saban and had aj mccarron throwing to him like julio had, he wouldve been a top 15 pick, no doubt in my mind.

[JoeyFlex5]

Actually I totally agree on comparing prospects against players when they came out of college. That's a reason why Dorsett reminds me more of Brown than Hilton but I digress.

On the subject of Perriman and Johnson, that might be a good comparison but it's not one I can honestly make because I'm not really old enough and haven't followed the draft that closely when I was that young.

i said the same thing about dorsett, i thought the hilton comparisons was real basic, i see that comparison in the same light as the perriman-torrey debate. i see dorsett with a antonio brown ceiling and i think it really would not be that hard for him to reach that ceiling, i mean they look identical in terms of natural ability and if he has browns work ethic then thats what he will develop into

[Static]

if perriman was coached by saban and had aj mccarron throwing to him like julio had, he wouldve been a top 15 pick, no doubt in my mind.

 

 

He was projected as player #15 before he fell

[gabefergy]

i said the same thing about dorsett, i thought the hilton comparisons was real basic, i see that comparison in the same light as the perriman-torrey debate. i see dorsett with a antonio brown ceiling and i think it really would not be that hard for him to reach that ceiling, i mean they look identical in terms of natural ability and if he has browns work ethic then thats what he will develop into

The problem with this line of thinking is projecting a player like Dorsett, who ran almost all short routes and vertical routes in college to becoming an all around WR like Brown. That is a complete stretch. So the "if he becomes an elite route runner" is a pretty massive IF. Dorsett hasn't shown even a semblance of that ability in college, they really look nothing alike in terms of how they function on the field. Brown already had a crafty route-running ability when he was just getting started and it has only improved. 

 

It's almost as silly as the Steve Smith comparison for every small WR with good ability on punt returns.

[JoeyFlex5]

The problem with this line of thinking is projecting a player like Dorsett, who ran almost all short routes and vertical routes in college to becoming an all around WR like Brown. That is a complete stretch. So the "if he becomes an elite route runner" is a pretty massive IF. Dorsett hasn't shown even a semblance of that ability in college, they really look nothing alike in terms of how they function on the field. Brown already had a crafty route-running ability when he was just getting started and it has only improved. 

 

It's almost as silly as the Steve Smith comparison for every small WR with good ability on punt returns.

just because his coaching staff was completely incompetent, doesnt mean that dorsett is. he shows an obvious natural stop and go ability and good shiftiness, the fact that he was limited due to terrible coordinating doesnt mean that he doesnt have the ability, because just watching him you can tell that he DOES have that ability. sure theres a mental aspect to picking up the route tree, but most wide receivers coming out of college have to deal with a learning curve.

[hawkprey]

Compared to Torrey, Perriman ran .2 seconds faster in the 40, has a bigger catch radius (can actually dive for the ball!), better body control, more physical...  but "same thing", right? 

[JoeyFlex5]

He was projected as player #15 before he fell

projected by the media and analysts though, thats very different than teams actual boards(apparently the ravens board was spot on though!) but obviously the rest of the top 25 teams didnt have him ranked that way. julio went 6th overall, playing at alabama and having aj mccarron throwing to you while taking bcs ships certainly helps any players stock, if perriman was in such an ideal position then he wouldnt have fell to 26th

[GrimCoconut]

The problem with this line of thinking is projecting a player like Dorsett, who ran almost all short routes and vertical routes in college to becoming an all around WR like Brown. That is a complete stretch. So the "if he becomes an elite route runner" is a pretty massive IF. Dorsett hasn't shown even a semblance of that ability in college, they really look nothing alike in terms of how they function on the field. Brown already had a crafty route-running ability when he was just getting started and it has only improved.

It's almost as silly as the Steve Smith comparison for every small WR with good
ability on punt returns.

Brown was by no means a great route runner in college. He wasn't bad, mind you, nor unrefined, but his routes needed work. With that said, he was a pretty productive WR for CMU. When I compare prospects, I look at how they appear coming out and don't compare them to their current players and skill, since that's an unfair comparison. I think there are very close similarities between them both that make the comparison more than fair. I think the Hilton comparison works as well, but I see more Antonio Brown in his game than Hilton. The question is if he has the drive to do what Brown did. It's Brown's mental makeup that made him what he is. Edited May 6, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[52520Andrew]

The Dorsett Antonio Brown comparison has irked me all offseason here. I just don't see it. Sure they are both similar in size and sure Antonio Brown wasn't the best route runner coming out but Antonio Brown is one of the hardest workers in the league and to assume Dorsett will make a similar leap to being that type of route runner is a bit naive. I also see that as selling Antonio Brown short. To add onto that, Antonio Brown isn't crazy fast like Dorsett, he wins with quickness, elite route running ability, and savviness in his technique. Dorsett is a speed guy who needs to work on his routes although he has the tools to be a great route runner. If I had to compare someone to Dorsett, I see John Brown of the Cardinals. I think he will be a big time deep threat with the potential to do more but I am not a fan of the Antonio Brown comparison.

I am not huge on player comparisons anyways but I like to split it between what a player currently is and what a player can be if they reach their ceiling. I think going one way or the other either sells the prospect short because most prospects do develop at least a bit in the league or sets unrealistic expectations for a prospect because it is rare for prospects to max out their potential in the league. The ones that do work their butt off and generally have good coaching or a mentor.

[GrimCoconut]

The Dorsett Antonio Brown comparison has irked me all offseason here. I just don't see it. Sure they are both similar in size and sure Antonio Brown wasn't the best route runner coming out but Antonio Brown is one of the hardest workers in the league and to assume Dorsett will make a similar leap to being that type of route runner is a bit naive. I also see that as selling Antonio Brown short. To add onto that, Antonio Brown isn't crazy fast like Dorsett, he wins with quickness, elite route running ability, and savviness in his technique. Dorsett is a speed guy who needs to work on his routes although he has the tools to be a great route runner. If I had to compare someone to Dorsett, I see John Brown of the Cardinals. I think he will be a big time deep threat with the potential to do more but I am not a fan of the Antonio Brown comparison.

I am not huge on player comparisons anyways but I like to split it between what a player currently is and what a player can be if they reach their ceiling. I think going one way or the other either sells the prospect short because most prospects do develop at least a bit in the league or sets unrealistic expectations for a prospect because it is rare for prospects to max out their potential in the league. The ones that do work their butt off and generally have good coaching or a mentor.

I don't know anyone who compared Dorsett to Brown except me, so I guess that means I irked you. Lol, okay. Let's first talk about your comments. First of all, you say that I'm selling Brown short, and yet the next sentence you say that Brown isn't crazy fast like Dorsett. In fact, you're the one selling him short. Brown is very fast. In fact, that was one of his very best assets out of CMU. He was a very fast WR who had OK routes. I'm not saying he's Torrey Smith fast, but he's a really fast WR. Brown's certainly a better route runner in terms of what's been proven so far than Dorsett, but that's a bit unfair to Dorsett, whose routes consisted primarily of what his coordinators schemed, which was rather poor use of him in the first place. 

 

Next, let's talk about his route running in general. You tell me I'm naive to assume that Dorsett will become a similar route runner to Brown, but isn't it a bit naive of you to simply call a player's career with absolutely zero foresight into their future? He could be an absolute bust. I have no idea. I'm certainly not audacious enough to claim that I know a player's future without them ever setting cleats on the field, and I would also ask that you temper your beliefs as well. 

 

As for how Brown wins as a WR, he developed those routes and technique through disciplined hard work. I respect his effort, and I make no claim that Dorsett can be Antonio Brown, only that they are similar players coming out of college in many ways. Yes, I've actually made that claim about a few others, and those comparisons, IMO, were wrong. I don't feel the comparison is wrong between Brown and Dorsett, personally. But I do take offense that you simply are so definitive in your accusations of what you think a player is and isn't. You're not seeing it from others' perspectives, and instead of respecting someone's opinion, you talk about how you are "irked" by them. That's hardly respect. In fact, it's the opposite. 

 

Finally, I don't have an issue with your opinions on comparisons or how you compare. That's your method and it's fine. I'm also not big on comparisons as well, although I do throw them around time to time just as a barometer. My dislike for them are for similar reasons as to your own, and also primarily because I think prospects are mostly unique and that no two prospects are typically alike. I feel like often we look for comparisons to itemize a player's potential and future, when the reality is so much goes into a prospect--much more than raw, athletic data as well as other measurables and intangibles. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[PurpleCity5]

I think Julio is a good comp. Both are similar in Perriman's ability to play up to his size and bigger. That's what I love, he's a deep threat, but he can go for those jump balls.

[Cville-Raven]

I think Julio is a good comp. Both are similar in Perriman's ability to play up to his size and bigger. That's what I love, he's a deep threat, but he can go for those jump balls.

Yeah he reminds me of rookie year julio more than anyone else.

[Sizzlebshu]

Can we stopbthese stupid comparisons and evaluate the tape instead. Player comps are never correct.

If you want to make an argument, the tape is your best friend ie this is what he does well, this is what he needs to work on, is it coachable, did he show improvement and finally it a correctable mistake

[Dewy101]

Let's just hope he's nothing like this lmao

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-HyEemjm_7E

https://.youtube.com/watch?v=81gpKrIicjU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WZNyYouzuk

There's a lot more where that came from.

[stampedehero]

Perriman has some elite traits, but he has his work cut out for him. His route running is below par and will need a lot of work. The speed is very legit though. I actually think he has decent hands.

Things to work on:

1) Release off the LOS. He sometimes chops feet/hops to fake out CBs. He needs to get right into his stem.

2) Attacking the ball in the air. He tends to let the ball travel to him instead of going to get it.

3) Basic route running technique. He needs sharper cuts in and out of breaks instead of rounding them. Also he can do better with how he uses his body, especially on go routes/fades.

You should be a coach deserving a handsome 6 figure income   Very Good.

Edited May 6, 2015 by stampedehero

[PerpleHayze]

Perriman has some elite traits, but he has his work cut out for him. His route running is below par and will need a lot of work. The speed is very legit though. I actually think he has decent hands.

Things to work on:

1) Release off the LOS. He sometimes chops feet/hops to fake out CBs. He needs to get right into his stem.

2) Attacking the ball in the air. He tends to let the ball travel to him instead of going to get it.

3) Basic route running technique. He needs sharper cuts in and out of breaks instead of rounding them. Also he can do better with how he uses his body, especially on go routes/fades.

These are excellent points. For anyone interested in a film breakdown of at least on of Perriman's games, I recommend checking out Matt Waldman's YouTube channel. He did an RSP film room on Perriman recently. He and his guest made many of these same comments.

I watched 5 games of Perriman (2013 Louisville; 2014 ECU, BYU, NC St & Penn St) on draftbreakdown and YouTube. In addition to the issues you identified, I noticed he was not targeted much in the red zone. This could've been by design or dictated by coverage, but if you're the top WR on your team, wouldn't they look for you more in the RZ?

He has the size to be a good blocker, and does show an ability to mirror and wall off his man, but didn't show a desire to want to dominate his guy. Also, in open field situations when another player had the ball, he didn't seem eager to look for someone to block to help spring his teammates. This is probably not uncommon for college WRs, many are not asked to block very much.

On a positive note, he did make big catches to jumpstart his team when they were down. The 2013 game vs Louisville and 2014 vs PSU stand out in that regard. Both catches were on deep routes. I'd say he has build up speed, not necessarily explosive speed. If he gets a free release, he can get deep I a hurry. But I don't think he has as much short area lateral explosiveness. Didn't consistently show 4.2 speed in he games I watched, but he's plenty fast. Once he learns to sink his hips more consistently when making a break, he should be very difficult to stop on comebacks and in breaking routes.

Edited May 6, 2015 by PerpleHayze

[52520Andrew]

I don't know anyone who compared Dorsett to Brown except me, so I guess that means I irked you. Lol, okay. Let's first talk about your comments. First of all, you say that I'm selling Brown short, and yet the next sentence you say that Brown isn't crazy fast like Dorsett. In fact, you're the one selling him short. Brown is very fast. In fact, that was one of his very best assets out of CMU. He was a very fast WR who had OK routes. I'm not saying he's Torrey Smith fast, but he's a really fast WR. Brown's certainly a better route runner in terms of what's been proven so far than Dorsett, but that's a bit unfair to Dorsett, whose routes consisted primarily of what his coordinators schemed, which was rather poor use of him in the first place. 

 

Next, let's talk about his route running in general. You tell me I'm naive to assume that Dorsett will become a similar route runner to Brown, but isn't it a bit naive of you to simply call a player's career with absolutely zero foresight into their future? He could be an absolute bust. I have no idea. I'm certainly not audacious enough to claim that I know a player's future without them ever setting cleats on the field, and I would also ask that you temper your beliefs as well. 

 

As for how Brown wins as a WR, he developed those routes and technique through disciplined hard work. I respect his effort, and I make no claim that Dorsett can be Antonio Brown, only that they are similar players coming out of college in many ways. Yes, I've actually made that claim about a few others, and those comparisons, IMO, were wrong. I don't feel the comparison is wrong between Brown and Dorsett, personally. But I do take offense that you simply are so definitive in your accusations of what you think a player is and isn't. You're not seeing it from others' perspectives, and instead of respecting someone's opinion, you talk about how you are "irked" by them. That's hardly respect. In fact, it's the opposite. 

 

Finally, I don't have an issue with your opinions on comparisons or how you compare. That's your method and it's fine. I'm also not big on comparisons as well, although I do throw them around time to time just as a barometer. My dislike for them are for similar reasons as to your own, and also primarily because I think prospects are mostly unique and that no two prospects are typically alike. I feel like often we look for comparisons to itemize a player's potential and future, when the reality is so much goes into a prospect--much more than raw, athletic data as well as other measurables and intangibles. 

 

Brown actually isn't that fast in a straight line, he isn't slow but he is no Dorsett in terms of speed. His quickness and route running ability scare me a whole lot more. I know Brown wasn't the best route runner coming out of CMU, he is right now the best route runner in the NFL. I know Dorsett wasn't used well at Miami but I would still call it a massive stretch for him to become the type of route runner Brown is. I am not saying he can't, but if it were easy to become the route runner Brown is, everyone would be. It is simply too big a jump to dismiss because he wasn't used well by Miami.

 

I am not irked by people making comparisons to other players, what irks me is people blowing those comparisons out of proportion. There are similarities between the 2 players, both are explosive, both are small. But when it comes down to it like you say, every player is different. I view Antonio Brown as being a special type of player, you aren't going to find another player exactly like him. The people calling Dorsett the next Antonio Brown because they have somewhat similar measurables is what irks me. It is just like the people who called Derek Wolfe the next JJ Watt. I know you aren't dumb enough to go out and say Dorsett is going to be Antonio Brown and I don't feel like it is something that is a huge problem on these forums but there are a lot of people out there who think that Dorsett is Antonio Brown 2.0.

 

As others have said, I prefer to evaluate the player as opposed to assigning them a comparison because like you say, every player is different. I think the general purpose of a player comparison is to get a general idea on a player out to more mainstream fans who may not know all the specifics on a prospect. Us fans on here look into these guys more than the mainstream fan generally does so usually we can evaluate prospects based on what they bring to the table. 

[elemento]

projected by the media and analysts though, thats very different than teams actual boards(apparently the ravens board was spot on though!) but obviously the rest of the top 25 teams didnt have him ranked that way. julio went 6th overall, playing at alabama and having aj mccarron throwing to you while taking bcs ships certainly helps any players stock, if perriman was in such an ideal position then he wouldnt have fell to 26th

I think that the Browns passing on Devante Parker truly helped to Perriman's fall. If the Browns had taken Parker with that 12th pick, I think the Dolphins would have taken Perriman. 

[52520Andrew]

julio went 6th overall, playing at alabama and having aj mccarron throwing to you

 

McCarron didn't start for Alabama until 2011 when Julio was in the NFL, Greg McElroy who was on the Jets for a couple years was the starter for Julio. McElroy also was one of the analysts for the NFLPA bowl this year

 

Disappointed in you Crush

[GrimCoconut]

Brown actually isn't that fast in a straight line, he isn't slow but he is no Dorsett in terms of speed. His quickness and route running ability scare me a whole lot more. I know Brown wasn't the best route runner coming out of CMU, he is right now the best route runner in the NFL. I know Dorsett wasn't used well at Miami but I would still call it a massive stretch for him to become the type of route runner Brown is. I am not saying he can't, but if it were easy to become the route runner Brown is, everyone would be. It is simply too big a jump to dismiss because he wasn't used well by Miami.

I am not irked by people making comparisons to other players, what irks me is people blowing those comparisons out of proportion. There are similarities between the 2 players, both are explosive, both are small. But when it comes down to it like you say, every player is different. I view Antonio Brown as being a special type of player, you aren't going to find another player exactly like him. The people calling Dorsett the next Antonio Brown because they have somewhat similar measurables is what irks me. It is just like the people who called Derek Wolfe the next JJ Watt. I know you aren't dumb enough to go out and say Dorsett is going to be Antonio Brown and I don't feel like it is something that is a huge problem on these forums but there are a lot of people out there who think that Dorsett is Antonio Brown 2.0.

As others have said, I prefer to evaluate the player as opposed to assigning them a comparison because like you say, every player is different. I think the general purpose of a player comparison is to get a general idea on a player out to more mainstream fans who may not know all the specifics on a prospect. Us fans on here look into these guys more than the mainstream fan generally does so usually we can evaluate prospects based on what they bring to the table.

I really disagree on Brown's speed, but to each his own. I just recall Brown scorching defenses by going deep across from Wallace. I recall people suggesting that he's not that good and wondering who this guy was when he burned us. He's got the speed man. He's just so good with his routes you forget how fast he is. I don't know if he's as fast as Dorsett, but I still see the similarities between these two players. I just see a lot of the same questions and concerns coming out of college and similar strengths outside of Brown's somewhat developed routes.

I'll agree to disagree. I have no problem with that. I just got upset because it seemed like you were being somewhat passive aggressive, but I think I perhaps misunderstood your post. I do agree that comparisons aren't very good regardless, and I don't like them because I never really see a true comparison ever. These players are so different in physical and mental make-up that it's nearly impossible to compare them.

[52520Andrew]

I really disagree on Brown's speed, but to each his own. I just recall Brown scorching defenses by going deep across from Wallace. I recall people suggesting that he's not that good and wondering who this guy was when he burned us. He's got the speed man. He's just so good with his routes you forget how fast he is. I don't know if he's as fast as Dorsett, but I still see the similarities between these two players. I just see a lot of the same questions and concerns coming out of college and similar strengths outside of Brown's somewhat developed routes.

I'll agree to disagree. I have no problem with that. I just got upset because it seemed like you were being somewhat passive aggressive, but I think I perhaps misunderstood your post. I do agree that comparisons aren't very good regardless, and I don't like them because I never really see a true comparison ever. These players are so different in physical and mental make-up that it's nearly impossible to compare them.

 

I don't think you need to be a 4.30 40 guy to beat defenses deep though, Brown has enough speed where you have to respect him deep but I would say Dorsett has more straight line speed. I guess you could make a comparison between Brown's speed and Melvin Gordon's. Torrey isn't the fastest guy out there either although he can certainly beat you deep. Brown is a guy who you have to fear deep but his ability to explode just about anywhere on a route tree has me far more concerned. People go on and on about size and how that gives someone the ability to get separation but the ability to explode and the CB not knowing where you are going to go can provide a whole bunch more separation than just being a couple inches taller.

 

Maybe I should have worded it a bit better, I was pretty tired last night and I can be a bit bad at wording things when I get tired. As for comparisons, I view the NFL as a league where the mental aspect is more important than the physical aspect. Everyone in the NFL is talented, what separates people here is not being more talented than the other guy like in college but the ability to out work and out smart everyone. There are some exceptions(Randy Moss) but more often than not, the best players are the ones that work the hardest. That is generally why I am not a fan of comparisons, I just see the mental aspect as being very important as well and while the physical aspect is also important, comparing players only based on that leaves out the mental aspect of everything and more often than not, that is why people trying to find the next player whoever generally aren't successful. The Ravens always go on about finding players who are Ravens and I think there is some truth to finding guys with that right mindset.

 

Not saying any of this to suggest that Dorsett will bust or anything, I actually like him, especially catching passes from Luck and he more than likely will have a good rookie year. I see a season similar to what John Brown had for the Cardinals although probably some better stats with the mess that Arizona became at QB. I think if he has that type of season, then I would be pretty happy as a Colts fan. I just don't like all the Antonio Brown talk with how good a year Brown just had, I don't like hyping guys up too much as it sets the stage for them to not meet those expectations and be knocked down. The media is notorious for doing this type of thing to players.