Second Impression of Breshad Perriman

[PurpleCity5]

I actually think Strong was massively overvalued by fans here. He's gonna struggle a lot in the beginning because he could just not separate from almost any CB. 

I agree, not going to lie, I was a Strong fan early on, I really liked him but the more tape digging I do, the less I liked him. Regardless getting him in the 3rd is a steal. 

 

The thing is, I don't think he dropped because of injury, he played through it and he was cleared by the Steelers doctors, I just personally believe that the fans and media overvalued him too much, I think teams just weren't impressed by the tape. I don't believe that without more polishing his game will transition to the NFL like that. The way I see him, he beat CB with height rather than playing up to his size. 

[ravensnick]

I agree, not going to lie, I was a Strong fan early on, I really liked him but the more tape digging I do, the less I liked him. Regardless getting him in the 3rd is a steal. 

 

The thing is, I don't think he dropped because of injury, he played through it and he was cleared by the Steelers doctors, I just personally believe that the fans and media overvalued him too much, I think teams just weren't impressed by the tape. I don't believe that without more polishing his game will transition to the NFL like that. The way I see him, he beat CB with height rather than playing up to his size. 

That's exactly what he did. And it ain't gonna work in the NFL.

[zuilyas]

i personally saw dorsett as a first round talent because i was able to look past the system he came from and i thought his potential was very obvious and alot of others just left it at "he only ran go routes in college so thats all he can do" but i certainly dont think dorsett has the ceiling of perriman, and i think that, along with height, may have been why perriman was ranked so high and dorsett was viewed as a 2nd. id be willing to bet though, that if we traded back, then dorsett wouldve been on our board as a coveted guy

 

I always thought that Dorsett's value, at least in my opinion, was early-mid 2nd. I guess part of it comes from what you're expecting of Dorsett. Perriman has the potential to become an elite number 1 WR, someone we've never had. I don't know if anyone is expecting Dorsett to be a number 1 guy. I think he was drafted as high as he was because his speed, in combination with his skill set, allows teams to be more creative with the plays that they run, etc. But, if we were going to take a little guy who's a speedster, I would have much rather taken Tyler Lockett in the 3rd because the value is better. I believe the Seahawks got him in the early 3rd.    

[BmoreBird22]

I didn't mean he had no YAC ability, if you hit this guy on a slant in stride it'll probably go for a TD, but I just kinda meant he's not the "shake n' bake" instant start stop receiver that can make guys miss on a consistent basis.

That's actually considered one of his plusses as an NFL receiver and he's probably the smoothest receiver in the draft in terms of transitioning from the catch to the run and that's why he's so good at breaking away.

[Cville-Raven]

That's actually considered one of his plusses as an NFL receiver and he's probably the smoothest receiver in the draft in terms of transitioning from the catch to the run and that's why he's so good at breaking away.

Yeah he's incredibly smooth for a guy of his size, which I like a lot about his game.

[stampedehero]

I actually think Strong was massively overvalued by fans here. He's gonna struggle a lot in the beginning because he could just not separate from almost any CB. 

See  Highlight film is propaganda.

[stampedehero]

The more I reviewed his highlights the more I appreciated this pick.

[stampedehero]

I agree, not going to lie, I was a Strong fan early on, I really liked him but the more tape digging I do, the less I liked him. Regardless getting him in the 3rd is a steal. 

 

The thing is, I don't think he dropped because of injury, he played through it and he was cleared by the Steelers doctors, I just personally believe that the fans and media overvalued him too much, I think teams just weren't impressed by the tape. I don't believe that without more polishing his game will transition to the NFL like that. The way I see him, he beat CB with height rather than playing up to his size. 

You guys should check out Agulure (sp) and Perriman and you could see the subtle differences.. The Eagles picked a really smooth player.   

[PurpleCity5]

You guys should check out Agulure (sp) and Perriman and you could see the subtle differences.. The Eagles picked a really smooth player.

I liked Agholor a lot, with that said, I think he's got a great floor, but a good ceiling, but not great one. I thought about the Reggie Wayne comps, but I think he compares better to a guy like Pierre Garcon.

I liked Dorsett and Smith better because of ceiling.

[Dewy101]

I think people got carried away with his hands. He reminds me of Alshon Jeffery with the way he catches(always using his hands to cover the ball when making the catch) who also had drops in college. It's an easy fix imo. His hips are a little stiff but nowhere as near as Torrey's were. Perriman needs to make some quicker cuts into his routes but CBs seem too scared to jump his routes because of his ability to go deep

[JoeyFlex5]

The more I reviewed his highlights the more I appreciated this pick.

 

See  Highlight film is propaganda.

haha wut?

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree, not going to lie, I was a Strong fan early on, I really liked him but the more tape digging I do, the less I liked him. Regardless getting him in the 3rd is a steal. 

 

The thing is, I don't think he dropped because of injury, he played through it and he was cleared by the Steelers doctors, I just personally believe that the fans and media overvalued him too much, I think teams just weren't impressed by the tape. I don't believe that without more polishing his game will transition to the NFL like that. The way I see him, he beat CB with height rather than playing up to his size. 

we all hopped on the bandwagon just because he was big and tall, what was the last straw for me was seeing his games vs marcus peters and steven nelson, he can dominate trash-tier cb's but when he faces a physical guy with even the slightest bit of ball skills he looked god awful. that just made me say no. meanwhile agholor became one of my favorite guys and went much earlier than i expected

[ravensnick]

I liked Agholor a lot, with that said, I think he's got a great floor, but a good ceiling, but not great one. I thought about the Reggie Wayne comps, but I think he compares better to a guy like Pierre Garcon.

I liked Dorsett and Smith better because of ceiling.

Somone at the draft compare Agholor to Jeremy Maclin and I think that sticks well.

[PurpleCity5]

Somone at the draft compare Agholor to Jeremy Maclin and I think that sticks well.

I like that comp as well, I just think of Garcon when I watch him.

[Clmraven]

That's actually considered one of his plusses as an NFL receiver and he's probably the smoothest receiver in the draft in terms of transitioning from the catch to the run and that's why he's so good at breaking away.

I agree with you in terms of his smoothness, he has a keen ability to turn up field and turn on the jets, but I still don't see that instant acceleration from a dead stop.

[RavensFanMania]

Rob is terrible, I can't get 105.7 in downtown Silver Spring now that I have moved. I actually like 92.7 and Cooley, and Zab they gave legit football conversation with differing opinions.

Are all the Ravens game on regular stations or do you need Sunday ticket.

[gabefergy]

Perriman has some elite traits, but he has his work cut out for him. His route running is below par and will need a lot of work. The speed is very legit though. I actually think he has decent hands.

Things to work on:

1) Release off the LOS. He sometimes chops feet/hops to fake out CBs. He needs to get right into his stem.

2) Attacking the ball in the air. He tends to let the ball travel to him instead of going to get it.

3) Basic route running technique. He needs sharper cuts in and out of breaks instead of rounding them. Also he can do better with how he uses his body, especially on go routes/fades.

[JoeyFlex5]

ive been wondering, if perriman is drafted by the colts, packers, broncos, or patriots, does the whole football world harp on his hands? or do they praise the pick? what player does he get compared to? theres no speedsters with dreads on those teams to automatically compare him to. 

 

i just cant help but think of how this pick would be perceived if he joins a team that torrey smith didnt just leave.

[Challenge Accepted]

ive been wondering, if perriman is drafted by the colts, packers, broncos, or patriots, does the whole football world harp on his hands? or do they praise the pick? what player does he get compared to? theres no speedsters with dreads on those teams to automatically compare him to.

i just cant help but think of how this pick would be perceived if he joins a team that torrey smith didnt just leave.

they would probably praise him and say something like "He's the next Demaryius Thomas" or something.

[JoeyFlex5]

they would probably praise him and say something like "He's the next Demaryius Thomas" or something.

thats what i think too. if he goes to the team that DT plays for, he will get the more accurate comparison of, well, DT, which i think is one of the more accurate comparisons out there.

[gabefergy]

I think Perriman has a lot of the same issues Torrey had as a prospect tbh. He's bigger and faster, but he is a very raw route runner who has had issues with his hands. Primarily a vertical threat in college. The comparison makes a lot of sense. He has more upside, but I don't think he reminds me of Demaryius Thomas either who is a lot more fluid of an athlete. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Perriman has a lot of the same issues Torrey had as a prospect tbh. He's bigger and faster, but he is a very raw route runner who has had issues with his hands. Primarily a vertical threat in college. The comparison makes a lot of sense. He has more upside, but I don't think he reminds me of Demaryius Thomas either who is a lot more fluid of an athlete. 

perriman is alot more fluid of an athlete than torrey though, like on a whole seperate tier, he may never be an elite route runner but he shows an ability to definitely be competent. also while they both have concerns about their catching, torrey was and still is a body catcher who really struggles to get his body adjusted and get his hands on the ball and that problem has shown itself in the nfl quite often, perriman IS a hands catcher with a good sense of body control, which already puts him a few notches ahead of torrey in that aspect, he just isnt "sure handed". 

 

i get what you're saying and the way you look at it is alot better than everyone else saying "oh hes just another torrey smith" but i just really dont see the comparison besides the speed, inconsistent catching, and dreads. 

 

edit: also your analysis on the previous page is something that seems to get lost when discussing him, he needs to control his body movements better coming off the snap, he telegraphs his routes alot and it concerns me in the nfl, but its not something i think cant be coached up, and yes his release on go routes is frustrating because he cant keep the db guessing, he stutter steps on his shorter routes allowing them to close in, and then puts his head down and stomps on the gas for the go routes and lets the db know hes going deep. thats his biggest issue in my opinion

Edited May 5, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleCity5]

I think Thomas is a good comparison. Perriman compared himself to Julio Jones and I also think that's a good comparison as well. I just don't see Torrey. Torrey didn't really run as many routes as Perriman and was def. more raw. Torrey also doesn't have Perriman's strength and certainly doesn't have his ability to get nasty and turn into a Dez Bryant type guy when the ball is in the air. 

 

I'm not saying this because we drafted Perriman, I saw the D.T comparisons to Perriman well before the draft and I'm starting to think people are underrating his pro-readiness. I'm going to lie, I wasn't big on him before the draft, but I watched Louis Tee's breakdown of him and watched more film. I keep emphasizing that he played in a Pro-Style offense that asked him to run a different combination of routes, just as long as he has that understanding down, the route running should come to him. A large part of WR's come into the league shaky in their routes. It's something players can improve on, I can name tons of guys who were shaky route runners and became Star WRs. 

 

I think D.T is the best comp, Julio Jones isn't a bad one either. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't agree with the Torrey Smith comparisons. I'm not sure I subscribe to the Thomas comparisons, but I definitely think the Torrey Smith comp is a little off.

[Inqui]

I don't agree with the Torrey Smith comparisons. I'm not sure I subscribe to the Thomas comparisons, but I definitely think the Torrey Smith comp is a little off.

Yeah, he's bigger, got better (at least more aggressive) hands, far more fluid and already a better route runner (to be fair to Torrey, it's hard to say how much of that owed to Cam) and doesn't have the same top-end speed of Torrey imo. I don't think he'll be the same pure deep threat, but he should be a lot better as a possession guy.

 

Demariyus is closer, but even Kelvin Benjamin or Jon Baldwin may not be off if we're talking about guys coming out of college. Not to say he will be one of those guys, but I do think they're more accurate than Torrey comparisons.

[gabefergy]

perriman is alot more fluid of an athlete than torrey though, like on a whole seperate tier, he may never be an elite route runner but he shows an ability to definitely be competent. also while they both have concerns about their catching, torrey was and still is a body catcher who really struggles to get his body adjusted and get his hands on the ball and that problem has shown itself in the nfl quite often, perriman IS a hands catcher with a good sense of body control, which already puts him a few notches ahead of torrey in that aspect, he just isnt "sure handed". 

 

i get what you're saying and the way you look at it is alot better than everyone else saying "oh hes just another torrey smith" but i just really dont see the comparison besides the speed, inconsistent catching, and dreads. 

 

edit: also your analysis on the previous page is something that seems to get lost when discussing him, he needs to control his body movements better coming off the snap, he telegraphs his routes alot and it concerns me in the nfl, but its not something i think cant be coached up, and yes his release on go routes is frustrating because he cant keep the db guessing, he stutter steps on his shorter routes allowing them to close in, and then puts his head down and stomps on the gas for the go routes and lets the db know hes going deep. thats his biggest issue in my opinion

I think Perriman is definitely a better athlete than Torrey, but I see where the comparisons come from if one is just doing a cursory examination of them.

 

Perriman did run a more complex route tree in college, but he still has a lot of improvement he needs to make. Does he have the suddenness to ever be a great route runner? I'm not sure about that, but I definitely think he can improve in a lot of areas and it shouldn't take too long given he puts the work in.

 

And you are right, Perriman catches the ball with his hands as opposed to body-catching like Torrey. That is definitely a huge difference, but I can see how someone will just look at the drops and make the comparison. 

[gabefergy]

Just to be clear, I am a big fan of Perriman pick. He was my 2nd best WR left on the board and he had the highest upside of any of the remaining WRs.

 

I do think it will take some time for him though. I expect a rookie season that looks something like Torrey's. Ideally, he fits right into that vertical role and the rest of the game develops quickly.

[ravensdan]

ive been wondering, if perriman is drafted by the colts, packers, broncos, or patriots, does the whole football world harp on his hands? or do they praise the pick? what player does he get compared to? theres no speedsters with dreads on those teams to automatically compare him to.

i just cant help but think of how this pick would be perceived if he joins a team that torrey smith didnt just leave.

Perriman is catching more heat from Bmore than nationally. Cossell for example slotted him in his top 15 players. I can't remember who his Comp was for him. I'll have to go back and check.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, he's bigger, got better (at least more aggressive) hands, far more fluid and already a better route runner (to be fair to Torrey, it's hard to say how much of that owed to Cam) and doesn't have the same top-end speed of Torrey imo. I don't think he'll be the same pure deep threat, but he should be a lot better as a possession guy.

Demariyus is closer, but even Kelvin Benjamin or Jon Baldwin may not be off if we're talking about guys coming out of college. Not to say he will be one of those guys, but I do think they're more accurate than Torrey comparisons.

I'm not sure if I compared Perriman to Benjamin, but upon further review, I think that's wrong. I don't see any Benjamin in him. Benjamin and Baldwin are slower than Perriman. Perriman has deep speed, and while he doesn't play up to his 4.2 whatever speed, he's certainly fast. I say he might be as fast as Torrey. Strong reminds me of Baldwin. I'm not sure who Perriman reminds me of, honestly. I suppose it's fair to compare him to Thomas, although I don't necessarily like those comparisons either.

[GrimCoconut]

Perriman is catching more heat from Bmore than nationally. Cossell for example slotted him in his top 15 players. I can't remember who his Comp was for him. I'll have to go back and check.

Pretty sure Cosell compared him to Julio Jones. Not sure I fully agree but I do see the similarities.