Second Impression of Breshad Perriman

[Clmraven]

I'm not sure if this warrants a new thread but it seems like the other one was nothing but people bashing, and I'll admit I was one of them, but after cooling down a bit I decided to re-review Perriman and go re-watch some tape of him and here's what I saw:

The Good:

A++ Size/speed (obviously).

I was quick to say his hands were awful and he had some bad drops but I believe his hands are already more developed than Torrey smith's he already catches the ball with his hands which is more than Torrey did coming out.

And while his routes need work(not much worse than jaelen strong) he still runs a more complex route tree than Devin smith.

He's is more physical than Torrey is he can go up and get it and make tough catches at times.

Another note would be his QB last year was awful, he under threw him on multiple occasions.

We saw a run on wideouts in the late first round and I believe it's going to carry over into the second round leaving any chance to get a WR in the second very slim if we didn't take perriman.

All in all I was quick to label Perriman, mostly due to the fact I believed there were better players on the board but that's just my opinion and I fully trust Ozzie even with his wideout track record, I'm gonna hold anymore bad judgement agaisnst Perriman until I see him play and I urge others to do the same, he needs quite a bit of work but if our staff can develop him he has #1 potential, he's not just a Torrey smith clone.

Edited May 1, 2015 by Clmraven

[SammyG]

Amen. I wanted him all along and I'm still so thrilled. Poor quarterback play made him have to put the team on his back and that's where the concentration drops came from. Too much thinking. Joe will make this kid Dez Bryant!

[bmorepizzy]

Honestly I think the kid has the lowest floor of all the WRs taken in the 1st last night, however he may have the highest ceiling of all the WRs in the draft. I think if Ozzie and the crew are'nt BSing us and really had him ranked in the mid to low teens that says a lot about where they think he is now and even more as to where he could be; lets not kid ourselves 4.22 speed at 6'2 209 with football bloodlines does not come around everyday, therfore I think at pick 26 he may end up being a steal if they can coach up those loose ends.

[JustinB]

I'm not sure if this warrants a new thread but it seems like the other one was nothing but people bashing, and I'll admit I was one of them, but after cooling down a bit I decided to re-review Perriman and go re-watch some tape of him and here's what I saw:

The Good:

A++ Size/speed (obviously).

I was quick to say his hands were awful and he had some bad drops but I believe his hands are already more developed than Torrey smith's he already catches the ball with his hands which is more than Torrey did coming out.

And while his routes need work(not much worse than jaelen strong) he still runs a more complex route tree than Devin smith.

He's is more physical than Torrey is he can go up and get it and make tough catches at times.

Another note would be his QB last year was awful, he under threw him on multiple occasions.

We saw a run on wideouts in the late first round and I believe it's going to carry over into the second round leaving any chance to get a WR in the second very slim if we didn't take perriman.

All in all I was quick to label Perriman, mostly due to the fact I believed there were better players on the board but that's just my opinion and I fully trust Ozzie even with his wideout track record, I'm gonna hold anymore bad judgement agaisnst Perriman until I see him play and I urge others to do the same, he needs quite a bit of work but if our staff can develop him he has #1 potential, he's not just a Torrey smith clone.

I was right their with you last night I was disapointed but this today after going back and reading what Ozzie and Co gathered I am feeling a lot better about the pick and can't wait to see how he plays this year

[Italian Raven]

1) A++ Size/speed (obviously).

2) He's is more physical than Torrey is he can go up and get it and make tough catches at times.

As I stated in the previous thread, I wasn't excited last night.. I had already watched every UCF game available on youtube and today I started to watch the 2013 season.

I think he's a humble guy, with good work ethic and has great radius..

However I still don't see him worth a 1st round pick, and I'm sorry for it coz of course I always wish my team the best, but can't lie to myself.

1) you're implicitly suggesting that the recorded 40s translate into game-speed... I didn't see him beating so many players at the top of his route to justify those numbers.. 

Also, speed without suddenness means few.. look at the separation that Dorsett (like Lockett, McBride) gains; you won't find it in our guy's tapes unless he's facing zone coverage.

2) going up for the ball can't be considered a 'physical' skill, but purely athletic..

Infact, you don't see him working with his hands and body to gain a better position on the DB, because he relies on his passes being overthrown.

You line up a good, physical, press-man (like Nelson) against him, that makes early contact and Breshad is just not allowed to accelerate.

Not hating or trying to down the mood.. just being honest and realistic, using tapes and setting the eyes on every move.

He's a good receiver, with great potential, but my feeling is that there was no WR, nor CB worth that pick and we reached a bit.. that makes me a little skeptical on this pick.

Howevever, I hope he'll be able to work on his routes and become one awesome player.. wish him nothing but the best.

[CalvinSmoke]

As I stated in the previous thread, I wasn't excited last night.. I had already watched every UCF game available on youtube and today I started to watch the 2013 season.

I think he's a humble guy, with good work ethic and has great radius..

However I still don't see him worth a 1st round pick, and I'm sorry for it coz of course I always wish my team the best, but can't lie to myself.

1) you're implicitly suggesting that the recorded 40s translate into game-speed... I didn't see him beating so many players at the top of his route to justify those numbers.. 

Also, speed without suddenness means few.. look at the separation that Dorsett (like Lockett, McBride) gains; you won't find it in our guy's tapes unless he's facing zone coverage.

2) going up for the ball can't be considered a 'physical' skill, but purely athletic..

Infact, you don't see him working with his hands and body to gain a better position on the DB, because he relies on his passes being overthrown.

You line up a good, physical, press-man (like Nelson) against him, that makes early contact and Breshad is just not allowed to accelerate.

Not hating or trying to down the mood.. just being honest and realistic, using tapes and setting the eyes on every move.

He's a good receiver, with great potential, but my feeling is that there was no WR, nor CB worth that pick and we reached a bit.. that makes me a little skeptical on this pick.

Howevever, I hope he'll be able to work on his routes and become one awesome player.. wish him nothing but the best.

Engram wanted us to bring him in badly after the work out, which in my mind means that he sees a lot in Perriman's game that could be refined. If so, than this could be great. Ozzie doesn't gamble a lot, so this is a lot for all of us to take in lol. 

[Mad Puppy]

So if he was chosen in the 2nd round?

Would you all be excited?

 

I think it doesn't matter where he is drafted, either he is the big bodied fast receiver we covet or not.

 

My vote is Thumbs up

[gabefergy]

As I stated in the previous thread, I wasn't excited last night.. I had already watched every UCF game available on youtube and today I started to watch the 2013 season.

I think he's a humble guy, with good work ethic and has great radius..

However I still don't see him worth a 1st round pick, and I'm sorry for it coz of course I always wish my team the best, but can't lie to myself.

1) you're implicitly suggesting that the recorded 40s translate into game-speed... I didn't see him beating so many players at the top of his route to justify those numbers..

Also, speed without suddenness means few.. look at the separation that Dorsett (like Lockett, McBride) gains; you won't find it in our guy's tapes unless he's facing zone coverage.

2) going up for the ball can't be considered a 'physical' skill, but purely athletic..

Infact, you don't see him working with his hands and body to gain a better position on the DB, because he relies on his passes being overthrown.

You line up a good, physical, press-man (like Nelson) against him, that makes early contact and Breshad is just not allowed to accelerate.

Not hating or trying to down the mood.. just being honest and realistic, using tapes and setting the eyes on every move.

He's a good receiver, with great potential, but my feeling is that there was no WR, nor CB worth that pick and we reached a bit.. that makes me a little skeptical on this pick.

Howevever, I hope he'll be able to work on his routes and become one awesome player.. wish him nothing but the best.

I think your analysis is very accurate. I second the notion that his game speed, while good, is not 4.2 fast. He does lack suddenness which is a little worrisome if we are hoping he becomes a more well rounded route runner. Then again, his best attribute is his size and speed, so if learns to use his body to shield defenders he can still be very effective. I think he does have good body control as well which should translate in the RZ, in back shoulder throws, and in contested catches downfield. He definitely has some ugly drops as well, but it is true that is an area that greatly improved over the course of the season.

In the end, he has the measurables to be an elite WR. Whether or not he has the work ethic and intangibles to make it happen is yet to be determined.

[Mt. Crushmore]

If Engram does what he did to Antonio Brown to Perriman. I'd be ecstatic

 

Engram never coached Antonio Brown.  I think you are confusing the Steelers with the University of Pittsburgh (which is where Engram coached before Baltimore).

[Clmraven]

As I stated in the previous thread, I wasn't excited last night.. I had already watched every UCF game available on youtube and today I started to watch the 2013 season.

I think he's a humble guy, with good work ethic and has great radius..

However I still don't see him worth a 1st round pick, and I'm sorry for it coz of course I always wish my team the best, but can't lie to myself.

1) you're implicitly suggesting that the recorded 40s translate into game-speed... I didn't see him beating so many players at the top of his route to justify those numbers.. 

Also, speed without suddenness means few.. look at the separation that Dorsett (like Lockett, McBride) gains; you won't find it in our guy's tapes unless he's facing zone coverage.

2) going up for the ball can't be considered a 'physical' skill, but purely athletic..

Infact, you don't see him working with his hands and body to gain a better position on the DB, because he relies on his passes being overthrown.

You line up a good, physical, press-man (like Nelson) against him, that makes early contact and Breshad is just not allowed to accelerate.

Not hating or trying to down the mood.. just being honest and realistic, using tapes and setting the eyes on every move.

He's a good receiver, with great potential, but my feeling is that there was no WR, nor CB worth that pick and we reached a bit.. that makes me a little skeptical on this pick.

Howevever, I hope he'll be able to work on his routes and become one awesome player.. wish him nothing but the best.

I agree for the most part but I don't think you can really compare perriman with the likes of Dorsett Lockett and mcbride those guys are smaller and more shifty, not to mention Lockett is one of the best route runners in the draft.

[Dewy101]

Engram never coached Antonio Brown. I think you are confusing the Steelers with the University of Pittsburgh (which is where Engram coached before Baltimore).

Lol all I read was Pittsburgh haha got my hopes up for no reason Edited May 1, 2015 by Dewy101

[Italian Raven]

I agree for the most part but I don't think you can really compare perriman with the likes of Dorsett Lockett and mcbride those guys are smaller and more shifty, not to mention Lockett is one of the best route runners in the draft.

No no, sure..I didn't mean to compare them as players but to stress the importance of route running applied to speed. 

We all know that if being fast was everything, any tracker could play WR and run fly's all day long.. 

He's not meant to catch tons of bubble screens or hitches, but he can definitely work on the tree and make it harder for CBs to cover.

[Clmraven]

No no, sure..I didn't mean to compare them as players but to stress the importance of route running applied to speed. 

We all know that if being fast was everything, any tracker could play WR and run fly's all day long.. 

He's not meant to catch tons of bubble screens or hitches, but he can definitely work on the tree and make it harder for CBs to cover.

Yea he's definitely not an elite YAC guy that's another thing he needs to work on but I think trestman will do well with him, I mean he did wonders with Alshon Jeffery and his route running ability was very limited.

[bmorepizzy]

Well if this makes anyone feel better Mike Mayock had ranked as his 15th best player, Gill Brandt had him rank as his 10th best player and D.J had him ranked as 32nd best player; thats and average ranking of 16 from some of the trusted voices out there, So I think the Ravens may have gotten this one right and did not reach.

[rmw10]

I've come around a bit.  After checking out some more tape last night, I really like how he goes up with his hands instead of letting the ball come to his body.  He has really good body control in the air as well.  The drops and route running are still big concerns, however.

[Inqui]

I agree his speed is a little overrated by his 40 time. On the tape he looks good, and fast enough to still make defences worry, but I don't think he has the pure burning speed to take the top off defences that Torrey has. I'd certainly take his combination of size and speed over Torrey's, but I do think his speed is a little overblown and we may be disappointed when/if he doesn't become the deep superstar we want.

I also agree that his routes need work, but I think he's fluid enough that with the right coaching (touches wood), work ethic and staying healthy, I think he can become really good in time. As it is, I think he'll make a lot of his money in Trestman's scheme with someone else running clearout routes to spring him open on short to medium plays - with a few splash plays to keep DBs honest - and I think he'll do really well in that role.

The hands are a bit of a worry, but again I'm going to be optimistic and say I think they can be improved on.

[ravensnation5220]

I'm not sure if this warrants a new thread but it seems like the other one was nothing but people bashing, and I'll admit I was one of them, but after cooling down a bit I decided to re-review Perriman and go re-watch some tape of him and here's what I saw:

The Good:

A++ Size/speed (obviously).

I was quick to say his hands were awful and he had some bad drops but I believe his hands are already more developed than Torrey smith's he already catches the ball with his hands which is more than Torrey did coming out.

And while his routes need work(not much worse than jaelen strong) he still runs a more complex route tree than Devin smith.

He's is more physical than Torrey is he can go up and get it and make tough catches at times.

Another note would be his QB last year was awful, he under threw him on multiple occasions.

We saw a run on wideouts in the late first round and I believe it's going to carry over into the second round leaving any chance to get a WR in the second very slim if we didn't take perriman.

All in all I was quick to label Perriman, mostly due to the fact I believed there were better players on the board but that's just my opinion and I fully trust Ozzie even with his wideout track record, I'm gonna hold anymore bad judgement agaisnst Perriman until I see him play and I urge others to do the same, he needs quite a bit of work but if our staff can develop him he has #1 potential, he's not just a Torrey smith clone.

totally agree with you, at first I wasnt too big on him because of his hands but he does have something you cant teach and thats size and speed, after rewatching his highlight tape I noticed the amount of big plays and accrobatic catches that he makes look so easy which is something torrey failed to do. With flaccos arm and the right coaching and leadership from steve smith he can be a stud. At worst is he will be close but not completely similar to torrey, a guy that can stretch the feild and draw pi. Either way he is a plug and play guy and I think marc is gonna have a lot of fun drawing up plays with him and flacco. Just keep him on the jugs lol

[polynesian15]

Honestly I think the kid has the lowest floor of all the WRs taken in the 1st last night, however he may have the highest ceiling of all the WRs in the draft. I think if Ozzie and the crew are'nt BSing us and really had him ranked in the mid to low teens that says a lot about where they think he is now and even more as to where he could be; lets not kid ourselves 4.22 speed at 6'2 209 with football bloodlines does not come around everyday, therfore I think at pick 26 he may end up being a steal if they can coach up those loose ends.

Why would they do that? The easiest, least risky decision for them would be to just trade out of the first round and call it a day. This draft pick to me, says that they have confidence in Perriman. They have revealed he was 14/15 on their board and they draft a WR in the first round despite poor track record doing so.

If Oz, DeCosta and Co. weren't confident in this pick, they would not have made it imo. Simple as that.

This 21 year old kid will start out at Torrey's level and go up from there. He had garbage throwing his way in college, Joe will have a field day with this kid.

 

Edited May 2, 2015 by polynesian15

[pitchblack_20]

Ozzie has proven multiple times, if I doubt him he will prove me wrong. If our FO wanted this guy, I'm all for it. Welcome to Baltimore Mr. Perriman.

[izvoodoo]

I just feel better about our offensive coaching staff than I ever have before.  

[JoeyFlex5]

Yea he's definitely not an elite YAC guy that's another thing he needs to work on but I think trestman will do well with him, I mean he did wonders with Alshon Jeffery and his route running ability was very limited.

he is a very good yac guy, the problem is his qb almost never hit him in stride, watch the tape and youll see everytime he is in a YAC situation like a deep slant with a step on the defender and the middle open, he has to make absurd adjustments to the ball like doing a full 180 in full sprint to turn around and grab a ball behind him. matter of fact, alot of the catches he makes on tape were horribly thrown and he had to make absurd adjustments. on the few occasions where he gets hit in stride, he drops some jaws, hell i even see plays where he breaks stride greatly to catch a underthrown ball, catches it, and STILL pulls away from the defender when he gears back up.

 

this is to say his YAC ability is probably better than what his tape can show you, and also to say that this is great to know he has tons of experience catching poorly placed balls, joe does have a tendency to deliver an erratic throw to an open wr at times, its nice knowing we have someone who knows how to come up with those. too often ive seen our guys completely unable to adjust to a slightly misplaced ball

[Cville-Raven]

he is a very good yac guy, the problem is his qb almost never hit him in stride, watch the tape and youll see everytime he is in a YAC situation like a deep slant with a step on the defender and the middle open, he has to make absurd adjustments to the ball like doing a full 180 in full sprint to turn around and grab a ball behind him. matter of fact, alot of the catches he makes on tape were horribly thrown and he had to make absurd adjustments. on the few occasions where he gets hit in stride, he drops some jaws, hell i even see plays where he breaks stride greatly to catch a underthrown ball, catches it, and STILL pulls away from the defender when he gears back up.

this is to say his YAC ability is probably better than what his tape can show you, and also to say that this is great to know he has tons of experience catching poorly placed balls, joe does have a tendency to deliver an erratic throw to an open wr at times, its nice knowing we have someone who knows how to come up with those. too often ive seen our guys completely unable to adjust to a slightly misplaced ball

Exactly, his QB often never hits him in stride. It's also good that he'll be playing with a QB for once who isn't throwing ducks. Edited May 3, 2015 by Cville-Raven

[JoeyFlex5]

Exactly, his QB often never hits him in stride. It's also good that he'll be playing with a QB for once who isn't throwing ducks.

i heard them saying he is a bad YAC guy on 105.7 because "you see quite often he gets the ball and just kinda goes down because hes struggling to make the catch" and i was just baffled that these guys get paid to cover sports. i dont think it can be any more evident that more often than not he is going down on the catch because his qb left him out to dry with a god awful pass that most receivers wouldnt have caught anyway. 

 

the more i watch perriman, the more i think he just doesnt get enough credit, and he sounds like hes got a real chip on his shoulder about all the bad hands talk, i think he'll still have a few focus drops, but i think overall he blows the minds of the talking heads and turns out to be just what michael irvin, ozzie, and bobby engram says he is.

[Cville-Raven]

i heard them saying he is a bad YAC guy on 105.7 because "you see quite often he gets the ball and just kinda goes down because hes struggling to make the catch" and i was just baffled that these guys get paid to cover sports. i dont think it can be any more evident that more often than not he is going down on the catch because his qb left him out to dry with a god awful pass that most receivers wouldnt have caught anyway.

the more i watch perriman, the more i think he just doesnt get enough credit, and he sounds like hes got a real chip on his shoulder about all the bad hands talk, i think he'll still have a few focus drops, but i think overall he blows the minds of the talking heads and turns out to be just what michael irvin, ozzie, and bobby engram says he is.

105.7 can often be an echo chamber of stupidity.

[GrimCoconut]

i heard them saying he is a bad YAC guy on 105.7 because "you see quite often he gets the ball and just kinda goes down because hes struggling to make the catch" and i was just baffled that these guys get paid to cover sports. i dont think it can be any more evident that more often than not he is going down on the catch because his qb left him out to dry with a god awful pass that most receivers wouldnt have caught anyway.

the more i watch perriman, the more i think he just doesnt get enough credit, and he sounds like hes got a real chip on his shoulder about all the bad hands talk, i think he'll still have a few focus drops, but i think overall he blows the minds of the talking heads and turns out to be just what michael irvin, ozzie, and bobby engram says he is.

Lol who said that on 105.7?

[Clmraven]

he is a very good yac guy, the problem is his qb almost never hit him in stride, watch the tape and youll see everytime he is in a YAC situation like a deep slant with a step on the defender and the middle open, he has to make absurd adjustments to the ball like doing a full 180 in full sprint to turn around and grab a ball behind him. matter of fact, alot of the catches he makes on tape were horribly thrown and he had to make absurd adjustments. on the few occasions where he gets hit in stride, he drops some jaws, hell i even see plays where he breaks stride greatly to catch a underthrown ball, catches it, and STILL pulls away from the defender when he gears back up.

 

this is to say his YAC ability is probably better than what his tape can show you, and also to say that this is great to know he has tons of experience catching poorly placed balls, joe does have a tendency to deliver an erratic throw to an open wr at times, its nice knowing we have someone who knows how to come up with those. too often ive seen our guys completely unable to adjust to a slightly misplaced ball

I didn't mean he had no YAC ability, if you hit this guy on a slant in stride it'll probably go for a TD, but I just kinda meant he's not the "shake n' bake" instant start stop receiver that can make guys miss on a consistent basis.

[JoeyFlex5]

Lol who said that on 105.7?

i believe it was jeremy and scott. 

 

although it might have been on vinnie and rob, i cant remember, i was at work and had a horrible signal on the radio lol

[GrimCoconut]

i believe it was jeremy and scott. 

 

although it might have been on vinnie and rob, i cant remember, i was at work and had a horrible signal on the radio lol

Jeremy and Scott are really dumb, IMO. I think they know nothing about football most of the time. I actually think Vinny isn't as bad as people claim, but he says questionable things as well. Rob is OK, too. They're not bad of all the people on there, but that doesn't make them great, just in case anyone is wondering if I am saying whether they are any good or not. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Jeremy and Scott are really dumb, IMO. I think they know nothing about football most of the time. I actually think Vinny isn't as bad as people claim, but he says questionable things as well. Rob is OK, too. They're not bad of all the people on there, but that doesn't make them great, just in case anyone is wondering if I am saying whether they are any good or not. 

i like rob, and the black dude on the morning show i cant remember his name. vinny just seems to stir the pot and he just speaks with too much conviction and is seriously closed minded, i dont like how he disrespects callers just because he disagrees with them even if theyre making a good point. there have been many times where ive thought about calling in just because i know i could make him look stupid and get him all riled up, but i just never do it lol. but yeah scott and jeremy are totally unqualified and need new jobs

Edited May 3, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[BSHU_Miami]

i like rob, and the black dude on the morning show i cant remember his name. vinny just seems to stir the pot and he just speaks with too much conviction and is seriously closed minded, i dont like how he disrespects callers just because he disagrees with them even if theyre making a good point. there have been many times where ive thought about calling in just because i know i could make him look stupid and get him all riled up, but i just never do it lol. but yeah scott and jeremy are totally unqualified and need new jobs

Scott and jermey are entertaining to me but I would not listen to them for football knowledge, they don't know anything. Vinny just says stupid stuff with a nfl background go figure.