Good, Decent, and Ugly from Pre-Season Week 4 against the Falcons

[jimmypowder]

Right now our team is downgraded from last year at :

1)!Return game

2) speed outside receiver

That's about it . Hopefully Perriman is back soon and we find a returner .

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I get the feeling you might be overrating Renner a tad…  I like the guy, but let's be real.  He's a fringe roster guy and I don't see him being much more than that.

 

 

A tad...? A ton...? Too much...?

 

I'm just rating what I've seen.Did you see that ball he threw to Brown that could've been a TD had he caught it?It was beautiful.He completed 66 percent of his passes in preseason,had passer ratings over 110 both times that he threw the ball atleast 20 times,threw 4 td's against 2 picks and had atleast two sure TD's dropped.The fact that he's young,plays the position of QB and performed that well means he's not a fringe guy.He's going to be on this team whether he's on the practice squad or 53 man roster.I have seen Ravens fans in this forum overrate alot of bum/average at best players(Tandon Doss,LaQuan Williams,Kamar Aiken,Arthur Brown).How in the world are you two,as Rob Parker from First Take used to say,poo pooing somebody showing love to a guy that played as well as Renner did?San Diego got a third rounder for Charlie Whitehurst a few years ago and the Eagles got a second rounder and Cromartie from the Cardinals for Kolb.I'm not saying he's the next Andrew Luck,but if Renner plays the way he did this pre season next year or develops and gets even better,some team desperate for a QB would definitely give up some good picks for him.

[rmw10]

I'm just rating what I've seen.Did you see that ball he threw to Brown that could've been a TD had he caught it?It was beautiful.He completed 66 percent of his passes in preseason,had passer ratings over 110 both times that he threw the ball atleast 20 times,threw 4 td's against 2 picks and had atleast two sure TD's dropped.The fact that he's young,plays the position of QB and performed that well means he's not a fringe guy.He's going to be on this team whether he's on the practice squad or 53 man roster.I have seen Ravens fans in this forum overrate alot of bum/average at best players(Tandon Doss,LaQuan Williams,Kamar Aiken,Arthur Brown).How in the world are you two,as Rob Parker from First Take used to say,poo pooing somebody showing love to a guy that played as well as Renner did?San Diego got a third rounder for Charlie Whitehurst a few years ago and the Eagles got a second rounder and Cromartie from the Cardinals for Kolb.I'm not saying he's the next Andrew Luck,but if Renner plays the way he did this pre season next year or develops and gets even better,some team desperate for a QB would definitely give up some good picks for him.

 

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He played all preseason against 3rd stringers.  Stats do not tell the story.  The lack of arm strength and poise in the pocket does.

[ravensfan2430]

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He played all preseason against 3rd stringers.  Stats do not tell the story.  The lack of arm strength and poise in the pocket does.

I agree.  He was scared to get hit in the pocket and didn't set his feet on several occasions b/c of it.

[MiamiRaven55]

Jacoby had lost a gear and made his own bad decisions. 2012 and 2013 Jacoby were excellent, 2014 Jacoby elicited groans. He would have also bumped someone else off the roster. He's not doing that great in San Diego.

Would there be a chance he got cut there?

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

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He played all preseason against 3rd stringers.  Stats do not tell the story.  The lack of arm strength and poise in the pocket does.

 

Lack of arm strength?Explain why you think that.And you shouldn't be holding a lack of poise in the pocket against an undrafted rookie free agent lol.That's like saying we shouldn't have hope for ZaDarius since he hasn't developed the ability to set the edge better in his fist four preseason games.He had a good game last night for an undrafted rookie and I see the potential in him to get better.Renner had a better preseason than the rookies that went drafted this year even if it was against 3rd stringers.

Edited September 4, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[rmw10]

Lack of arm strength?Explain why you think that.And you shouldn't be holding a lack of poise in the pocket against an undrafted rookie free agent lol.That's like saying we shouldn't have hope for ZaDarius since he hasn't developed the ability to set the edge better in his fist four preseason games.He had a good game last night and I see potential him.Renner had a better preseason than the rookies that went drafted this year even if it was against 3rd stringers.

 

Because it's obvious?  He can't pump the ball to the sidelines and has had multiple throws where he tried to pump it down the middle and the velocity wasn't there.  He had shoulder surgery and hasn't been the same since

 

Lack of poise in the pocket is huge.  When a guy loses all of his mechanics when pressure is coming at him, that's a huge negative and one that isn't likely to be corrected.

 

QB and OLB are completely different.

[beanfigger]

Do we really believe some team would trade anything for Renner, much less "some good picks"? C'mon, man.

[cobrajet]

Our backup RB all stinks. get Fred asap

I thought it was Buck Allen's chance to shine against 3rd stringers, but I was not impressed. However, our backup o-line was horrible last night.

[berad]

Would there be a chance he got cut there?

 

Doubtful, he got $1.6M guaranteed on a 2-year deal, $5.5M deal.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Do we really believe some team would trade anything for Renner, much less "some good picks"? C'mon, man.

 

 

If you read my original unedited post you'll see the words "may","if he improves" and "if he plays better".

[beanfigger]

If you read my original unedited post you'll see the words "may","if he improves" and "if he plays better".

He would need to make the team and get on the field and play well in real games. He was undrafted for a reason, and he isn't proving anything to teams in the preseason.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

It's blowing my mind that there are actually people coming at me for thinking Renner could get us some good draft picks 2 or 3 years down the road based on his pre season.I've been hearing from alot of people on here for the past year how we should cut Daryl Smith immediately because he's old and sucks and Arthur Brown is a stud in the making.I've been hearing all off season how Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown are about to blow up and easily replace Torrey.Where are the non biased police when those crowds pop up?

[beanfigger]

It's blowing my mind that there are actually people coming at me for thinking Renner could get us some good draft picks 2 or 3 years down the road based on his pre season.I've been hearing from alot of people on here for the past year how we should cut Daryl Smith immediately because he's old and sucks and Arthur Brown is a stud in the making.I've been hearing all off season how Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown are about to blow up and easily replace Torrey.Where are the non biased police when those crowds pop up?

If it makes you feel any better, I also "came at someone" yesterday who suggested we could get a good pick for Arthur Brown.

[Tank 92]

Jacoby had lost a gear and made his own bad decisions. 2012 and 2013 Jacoby were excellent, 2014 Jacoby elicited groans. He would have also bumped someone else off the roster. He's not doing that great in San Diego.

Maybe so, maybe not. IMO his issues were mental and correctable. And I agree at the time releasing him was probably the right decision. But the point is, given the present circumstances that decision would not be as clear cut.

It seems apparent that Asa is not the answer. Watching him as a returner would be like watching a dog crossing a busy street, much like it was with David Reed. I hope we don't try that experiment. So unless you think SSS, Camp or Webby will be the Ravens KR, we're going to have to look elsewhere. Here's to hoping we see some of the Wizard's magic!

[cursona pirate]

The problem is you really REALLY dont want your number 1 aging wide receiver being the kick returner especially when we saw in game 3 the difference the offense is with and without him on the field.  Id rather almost every punt just be fair caught then risk the entire season with Steve Smith return.

I agree with you. I just know that SSS is the only player on this team who has done decent return work. 

[Tank 92]

It's blowing my mind that there are actually people coming at me for thinking Renner could get us some good draft picks 2 or 3 years down the road based on his pre season.I've been hearing from alot of people on here for the past year how we should cut Daryl Smith immediately because he's old and sucks and Arthur Brown is a stud in the making.I've been hearing all off season how Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown are about to blow up and easily replace Torrey.Where are the non biased police when those crowds pop up?

Gotta laugh real hard at the notion of cutting D. Smith. He is probably the most consistent performer on our D right now.

[berad]

Maybe so, maybe not. IMO his issues were mental and correctable. And I agree at the time releasing him was probably the right decision. But the point is, given the present circumstances that decision would not be as clear cut.

It seems apparent that Asa is not the answer. Watching him as a returner would be like watching a dog crossing a busy street, much like it was with David Reed. I hope we don't try that experiment. So unless you think SSS, Camp or Webby will be the Ravens KR, we're going to have to look elsewhere. Here's to hoping we see some of the Wizard's magic!

 

I think the answer will come from elsewhere, yes, but Jacoby isn't it. Not for the price he demands, anyway. Loved him while he was here but 2014 was painful.

[Ravensfan23]

He was just patient on that kickoff return and allowed the blocks to develop, which I suppose is better than what guys like Magee were doing by going full steam ahead with nothing there.

And I did acknowledge he was very elusive on his punt return, but again, he let the turf monster get him against the punter, the one guy he simply has to outrun, and even bobbled that catch. If he could simply hang onto the ball, I'd be thrilled with Asa as the returner, but losing those possessions and literally giving it right back is probably the worst mistake you can make.

I'm honestly really hoping Kenjon Barner becomes available.

Yea i get that and i'm not any of those things aren't a issue. I just think Asa has done a lot more good in the return game then people are giving hin credit for and that's the only thing that makes the decision so tough imo. If he did do some really good things, it'd be an easy decision to cut him. But cearly he's still our best option outside of Smitty on this team. If you bring in a outside returner you better be damn sure that he's a better option. Asa is a dangerous returner and i think his issue is trying too hard if that makes sense. If he gets out of his own head and just plays he'd be ok.

If it's my call i'm lookong for a more reliable option but again the problem becomes is that option available.

[jimmypowder]

If it makes you feel any better, I also "came at someone" yesterday who suggested we could get a good pick for Arthur Brown.

Maybe we could get a returner for Arthur Brown.

[rmw10]

It's blowing my mind that there are actually people coming at me for thinking Renner could get us some good draft picks 2 or 3 years down the road based on his pre season.I've been hearing from alot of people on here for the past year how we should cut Daryl Smith immediately because he's old and sucks and Arthur Brown is a stud in the making.I've been hearing all off season how Kamar Aiken and Marlon Brown are about to blow up and easily replace Torrey.Where are the non biased police when those crowds pop up?

 

It's blowing my mind how much you're overrating Renner.  I like the guy, but be realistic.

[RaineV1]

Renner gets a bit overrated, but I'll take him over Schaub. Schaub looked awful against backups and is only going to get worse over time. At least Renner has some chance of getting better and being a good game manager.

[Tank 92]

I think the answer will come from elsewhere, yes, but Jacoby isn't it. Not for the price he demands, anyway. Loved him while he was here but 2014 was painful.

Never suggested we would go back after him, but given where we are now I'm not so sure he would be released. And while he wasn't as nearly as effective in 2014 as he had been, I don't know what was so "painful" about his performance in 2014. His stats had him ranked as the #2 KR in the NFL behind Hester.

[berad]

Never suggested we would go back after him, but given where we are now I'm not so sure he would be released. And while he wasn't as nearly as effective in 2014 as he had been, I don't know what was so "painful" about his performance in 2014. His stats had him ranked as the #2 KR in the NFL behind Hester.

Do you remember all of the kicks he took from 7-8 yds deep and couldn't get them out to the 20? His numbers might look ok but, again, he took everything from deep giving him a boost in stats to begin with. I'll look into it more but, just remembering, it was tough... Plus he was basically a negative as a WR.

[BmoreBird22]

Yea i get that and i'm not any of those things aren't a issue. I just think Asa has done a lot more good in the return game then people are giving hin credit for and that's the only thing that makes the decision so tough imo. If he did do some really good things, it'd be an easy decision to cut him. But cearly he's still our best option outside of Smitty on this team. If you bring in a outside returner you better be damn sure that he's a better option. Asa is a dangerous returner and i think his issue is trying too hard if that makes sense. If he gets out of his own head and just plays he'd be ok.

If it's my call i'm lookong for a more reliable option but again the problem becomes is that option available.

Well, there are another 600+ cuts to be made, so we'll see if a reliable return option opens up or not. If he didn't fumble, like I said, I'd be thrilled to have him return, but that's two fumbles in two games, if I'm remembering correctly.

[Tank 92]

Do you remember all of the kicks he took from 7-8 yds deep and couldn't get them out to the 20? His numbers might look ok but, again, he took everything from deep giving him a boost in stats to begin with. I'll look into it more but, just remembering, it was tough... Plus he was basically a negative as a WR.

Lol.......no matter, water under the bridge.

I agree he should have taken knee more often, again a correctable mental error.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Tank 92

[ravensfan2430]

Renner gets a bit overrated, but I'll take him over Schaub. Schaub looked awful against backups and is only going to get worse over time. At least Renner has some chance of getting better and being a good game manager.

  Yes, he played against back-ups, but remember, he also play with back-ups too. You could put P. Manning in with 3rd stringers and he isn't going to look like P. Manning.

[Ravensfan23]

Well, there are another 600+ cuts to be made, so we'll see if a reliable return option opens up or not. If he didn't fumble, like I said, I'd be thrilled to have him return, but that's two fumbles in two games, if I'm remembering correctly.

Yea but it's not as simple as saying oh this RS guy is available lets go get him. He'd have to be a guy who fits what the Ravens are looking for. Reports are they they want 1 guy who can handle but punts and KO. As simple as it sounds a lot of guys don't do both. Also they want someone who is more then just a RS and while Asa won't see many defensive snap, he's a decent coverage guy. The new RS would have to be the same imo. Remeber the coaches have spent months evaluating these guys and it'll take a lot to just replace one if their guys with an outside guy who isn't known. The Ravens know Asa can handle what they ask of him, but are they willing to given him the chance to learn from a couple mistakes? It's fun for me to think about these decisions because my job and livelihood isn't attached to the outcome. But I'm sure it's stressful for coaches and players.

[BmoreBird22]

Yea but it's not as simple as saying oh this RS guy is available lets go get him. He'd have to be a guy who fits what the Ravens are looking for. Reports are they they want 1 guy who can handle but punts and KO. As simple as it sounds a lot of guys don't do both. Also they want someone who is more then just a RS and while Asa won't see many defensive snap, he's a decent coverage guy. The new RS would have to be the same imo. Remeber the coaches have spent months evaluating these guys and it'll take a lot to just replace one if their guys with an outside guy who isn't known. The Ravens know Asa can handle what they ask of him, but are they willing to given him the chance to learn from a couple mistakes? It's fun for me to think about these decisions because my job and livelihood isn't attached to the outcome. But I'm sure it's stressful for coaches and players.

It's exactly why I'm hoping for Kenjon Barner. He'd provide a viable backup running back and is a great return specialist

[Ravensfan23]

It's exactly why I'm hoping for Kenjon Barner. He'd provide a viable backup running back and is a great return specialist

I like that option and the Ravens spent a week watching him practice so it could be possible. My issue with that is, is he a better RB then Buck Allen who the team really likes? If not then can you justify keeping 4 RBs once LT comes back?