Whats your WR lineup?

[Ravensfan23]

hes been the most consistent receiver other than sss and has performed well all offseason. Consistency is the key. No we havent seen much from him, but we havent seen much from anybody, and if the coaching staff has him as the #2 im confident that is where he belongs and that he will produce.

That doesn't make him a no brianer and his consistency came in practice. When you are reading practice reports you are reading them through the eyes of reporters unless you actually witness it your. How much does it really say about Aiken if he's being consistent against the likes of Jackson, Vaughn, Pointer and Greenway? I can't tell you what to do but i dont put any stock into media reports from camp.

I'm not saying he'll suck as a #2 i just wanted to know what others have seen to have enough confidence in hin being #2 that it's a no brainer. Honestly i don't even think the coaches feel Aiken is a "no brainer" because he and Brown split reps with the 1st team during both the Eagles and Redskins preseason game before Steve Smith left.

Because of injuries he had the prime position of running away with the #2 but other then what you read in reports from camp what has he done? I'm not saying it to bash him just really wanna know what you've seen so can i can have as much confidence in him as well

[Tank 92]

 

If there were ever a year to find out what guys like Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken, and Campanaro have at the WR position, its this one. Otherwise, we just continue to retread the same questions year after year.

 

Either way, for me, 2015 is going to give us some clarity at the WR position I believe. We know we are invested in Perriman for at least 3-4 years, and we're going to see what all of these "hyped" guys are all about this season. SSS is out after this year, and we could be staring at a complete gutting of the WR core by April. 

 

Or, we find out some of these guys can play, which is something Nicks will really only hinder, not help.

Exactly. I think this is the first post of yours that I've read that I agree with. lol

[52520Andrew]

That doesn't make him a no brianer and his consistency came in practice. When you are reading practice reports you are reading them through the eyes of reporters unless you actually witness it your. How much does it really say about Aiken if he's being consistent against the likes of Jackson, Vaughn, Pointer and Greenway? I can't tell you what to do but i dont put any stock into media reports from camp.

I'm not saying he'll suck as a #2 i just wanted to know what others have seen to have enough confidence in hin being #2 that it's a no brainer. Honestly i don't even think the coaches feel Aiken is a "no brainer" because he and Brown split reps with the 1st team during both the Eagles and Redskins preseason game before Steve Smith left.

Because of injuries he had the prime position of running away with the #2 but other then what you read in reports from camp what has he done? I'm not saying it to bash him just really wanna know what you've seen so can i can have as much confidence in him as well

Well besides Camp and SSS, who has performed well in the preseason at WR? I mean Perriman is a guy you want to put in there come regular season but Waller needs development and Brown has had plenty of opportunity to grab the #2 WR spot.

I'm trusting the coaches that see him out there every day at practice over what we have seen over a few drives in the preseason.

[Ravensfan23]

Well besides Camp and SSS, who has performed well in the preseason at WR? I mean Perriman is a guy you want to put in there come regular season but Waller needs development and Brown has had plenty of opportunity to grab the #2 WR spot.

I'm trusting the coaches that see him out there every day at practice over what we have seen over a few drives in the preseason.

That's my point. Just because nobody else has performed at the position doesn't mean fans should have confidence in him as a #2 by default. I trust the coaches as well but again, the moment Brown was healthy enough to start playing he was put into a position to shar reps with Aiken. Does that mean the coaches aren't sold or did they just wanna get Brown reps to make up for lost time? They only know that. I just simply wanted to know how anyone could look at Aiken or anyone other then Smitty at this point and say he's a no brainer to be productive as the #2 WR. I just haven't seen it and seeing he and Brown share reps at #2 as soon as Brown was healthy didn't strengthen my confidence in him. But again, i hope he's lights out in that role, i just think the #2WR position will be more of a platoon from what I've seen.

[52520Andrew]

That's my point. Just because nobody else has performed at the position doesn't mean fans should have confidence in him as a #2 by default. I trust the coaches as well but again, the moment Brown was healthy enough to start playing he was put into a position to shar reps with Aiken. Does that mean the coaches aren't sold or did they just wanna get Brown reps to make up for lost time? They only know that. I just simply wanted to know how anyone could look at Aiken or anyone other then Smitty at this point and say he's a no brainer to be productive as the #2 WR. I just haven't seen it and seeing he and Brown share reps at #2 as soon as Brown was healthy didn't strengthen my confidence in him. But again, i hope he's lights out in that role, i just think the #2WR position will be more of a platoon from what I've seen.

Yeah no one outside of Camp has shown much for me from what I have seen although he needs to prove that he can stay healthy. We really need Perriman to get healthy here, frustrating seeing his timeline for return continue to be pushed back.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Aiken cannot get open.  He can't beat corners.   He can catch when he is open, but its a big rarity.   Camp looks like he can get open, but doesn't have the legs to stretch long yards.   

Basically we are SSS and that's it when it comes to production.

[Ravensfan23]

Yeah no one outside of Camp has shown much for me from what I have seen although he needs to prove that he can stay healthy. We really need Perriman to get healthy here, frustrating seeing his timeline for return continue to be pushed back.

Honestly Camp didn't show much imp either. He made a catch on a crossing roite where he was wide open, not from his route running but because of the play design. Then he ran basically untouched to the endzone and it was against a 2nd team defense. Now i will say that i do think these young guys at WR and TE will perform well in Trestman's offense but i'm not willing to say anyone is a no brainer in any position outside of SR.

[Ravensfan23]

Aiken cannot get open.  He can't beat corners.   He can catch when he is open, but its a big rarity.   Camp looks like he can get open, but doesn't have the legs to stretch long yards.   

Basically we are SSS and that's it when it comes to production.

Trestman's scheme and creativity will help Aiken in that area. I got killed in the offseason for saying Aiken was a JAG and i needed to see more from him. I'm not ready to change my stance on that as of now. The majority of his production last season came from him being schemed open and between what I've seen in the Preseason and couple of practices i went to, that seems to be the case this year. That's not a bad thing because he performed well doing it and i think Trestman scheme guys open a lot so Aiken should do fairly well. Just not sure he'll cut it as the #2.

[52520Andrew]

Honestly Camp didn't show much imp either. He made a catch on a crossing roite where he was wide open, not from his route running but because of the play design. Then he ran basically untouched to the endzone and it was against a 2nd team defense. Now i will say that i do think these young guys at WR and TE will perform well in Trestman's offense but i'm not willing to say anyone is a no brainer in any position outside of SR.

I have at least seen Camp get separation with his quickness, he is no no brainer or even the front runner but as you say no one is.

[Ravensfan23]

I have at least seen Camp get separation with his quickness, he is no no brainer or even the front runner but as you say no one is.

Oh no doubt? I don't knock Camp and the separation he creates. I've said many times that I think Camp and Perriman could be the two guys that takes this offense to the next level. Camp needs to stay healthy, which everyone knows. Imo he's nothing mpre then a slot guy but has the potential to be a really really good one. So i'm definitely excited to see what he can do for this offense but the preseason didn't make me feel this way.

[redrum52]

Smith Aiken Camp. Single back PA deep to start the season.

[January J]

That doesn't make him a no brianer and his consistency came in practice. When you are reading practice reports you are reading them through the eyes of reporters unless you actually witness it your. How much does it really say about Aiken if he's being consistent against the likes of Jackson, Vaughn, Pointer and Greenway? I can't tell you what to do but i dont put any stock into media reports from camp.

I'm not saying he'll suck as a #2 i just wanted to know what others have seen to have enough confidence in hin being #2 that it's a no brainer. Honestly i don't even think the coaches feel Aiken is a "no brainer" because he and Brown split reps with the 1st team during both the Eagles and Redskins preseason game before Steve Smith left.

Because of injuries he had the prime position of running away with the #2 but other then what you read in reports from camp what has he done? I'm not saying it to bash him just really wanna know what you've seen so can i can have as much confidence in him as well

im not basing any of that off of media reports from camp, im going off of the actual words from harbaugh, bobby ingram, trestman and flacco... As they know better than anybody does.

[Ravensfan23]

im not basing any of that off of media reports from camp, im going off of the actual words from harbaugh, bobby ingram, trestman and flacco... As they know better than anybody does.

And when did any of them come out and praise Aiken without being asked about him first? I can produce quotes from the same group of people you named praising guys like Butler and Carter once asked as well. Hell i can produce quotes from Harbs praising Asa Jackson all throughout camp and we saw the end result of what happened on the field. If going by that criteria, Jeremy Butler should be on the 53 man roster because all you heard about was how solid he was in practice, how he caught everything thrown his way and how he was stacking days, but what he didn't do was transfer that onto the field. Make no mistake about it Kamar Aiken is the #2 by default on the depth chart. However if what was shown during the Eagles game and the all so important 3rd preseason game vs the Redskins is any indication, there will be a #2WR by committee. That doesn't sound like Aiken is a no brainer to me.

[Purple_City39]

I fully agree that Aiken won the #2 spot by default.  Perriman and Brown stay healthy all offseason and Aiken is likely #4 at best imo.  Marlon 2 preseason games to Aiken's 4 and still managed to more than double his yards and probably got open twice as much, and that's with them playing the same level of competition.  I know many on here dislike Brown because he didn't break out last year, but he's a better WR than Aiken

[gabefergy]

I fully agree that Aiken won the #2 spot by default.  Perriman and Brown stay healthy all offseason and Aiken is likely #4 at best imo.  Marlon 2 preseason games to Aiken's 4 and still managed to more than double his yards and probably got open twice as much, and that's with them playing the same level of competition.  I know many on here dislike Brown because he didn't break out last year, but he's a better WR than Aiken

Marlon Brown is in no way a better WR than Aiken. He racked up those yards in the final PS game against 2nd and 3rd string players while Aiken ran with the 1st team. 

 

If people think Aiken is just a guy, which might be accurate, Marlon is less than a guy. He's been exceptionally below average in his 2 years in Baltimore. There's a reason Aiken jumped him on the depth chart last season.

[52520Andrew]

Marlon Brown is in no way a better WR than Aiken. He racked up those yards in the final PS game against 2nd and 3rd string players while Aiken ran with the 1st team.

If people think Aiken is just a guy, which might be accurate, Marlon is less than a guy. He's been exceptionally below average in his 2 years in Baltimore. There's a reason Aiken jumped him on the depth chart last season.

Yeah Marlon Brown is our longest tenured WR right now, had plenty of opportunity to get that #2 job

[Ravens4Real]

What we are all trying to say but won't. I can't believe how abysmal our WR core has become due to injury and incompetence.

[gabefergy]

What we are all trying to say but won't. I can't believe how abysmal our WR core has become due to injury and incompetence.

It's not abysmal. Steve Smith is a legit #1 WR, even at age 36. Health is the big question mark though. If Perriman and Campanaro can stay healthy for 80% of the season, the WR corps will be the best it has been, possibly ever. If they can't stay on the field, guys like Aiken and Brown will have to play bigger roles than they are suited for. If Smith goes down we can start throwing around words like abysmal.

[Ravens4Real]

It's not abysmal. Steve Smith is a legit #1 WR, even at age 36. Health is the big question mark though. If Perriman and Campanaro can stay healthy for 80% of the season, the WR corps will be the best it has been, possibly ever. If they can't stay on the field, guys like Aiken and Brown will have to play bigger roles than they are suited for. If Smith goes down we can start throwing around words like abysmal.

How can you say that the WR corp will be the best it's ever been with Perriman and Camp on the field?! Perriman hasn't even played a down of football and has practiced in the NFL one time. Camp has only played a couple games and has a handful of catches. He also looks like he will never make a whole NFL season.

Also, while I like SSS, he's just another year older and his decline, like what he showed in the second half of last season, will continue. You cannot expect him, at the age of 36 to lead a receiving core.

You would be hard pressed to find a worse WR core than what the Ravens will be running out their against the Broncos, as it currently stands.

Edited September 8, 2015 by Ravens4Real

[Purple_City39]

Marlon Brown is in no way a better WR than Aiken. He racked up those yards in the final PS game against 2nd and 3rd string players while Aiken ran with the 1st team. 

 

If people think Aiken is just a guy, which might be accurate, Marlon is less than a guy. He's been exceptionally below average in his 2 years in Baltimore. There's a reason Aiken jumped him on the depth chart last season.

Yes, Aiken jumped him on the depth chart last season because Brown got injured.  This is constantly ignored for some reason.  Just like it's also ignored that Marlon received far more playoff targets than Aiken and finished the seasons stronger than Aiken (aka he got healthy and did more).

 

And Marlon dominating 2nd stringers (he was out of the 4th game before 3rd stringers came in) is more impressive than Aiken consistently and constantly being erased by opposing starters.  If Marlon was below average, then the fact he missed time last year with injuries and still matched Aiken across the board minus TDs says a ton about Kamar

[Purple_City39]

Yeah Marlon Brown is our longest tenured WR right now, had plenty of opportunity to get that #2 job

I disagree.  He had it his rookie year, kinda by default.  Last year, nobody was getting the #2 spot unless their last name was Smith.  There was no way they'd have benched Sr. or Torrey for anybody else on the roster.  Not to mention the guy got injured, but when he came back he was right there in the split for 3rd WR.

 

And when the post season came along, Brown shined while Aiken disappeared, similar to this past preseason.  Now, when I say "shined" I don't mean dominated by any stretch.  But one guy getting 10 targets vs 3 targets speaks volume as to who got open more and was trusted more by the QB

[gabefergy]

How can you say that the WR corp will be the best it's ever been with Perriman and Camp on the field?! Perriman hasn't even played a down of football and has practiced in the NFL one time. Camp has only played a couple games and has a handful of catches. He also looks like he will never make a whole NFL season.

Also, while I like SSS, he's just another year older and his decline, like what he showed in the second half of last season, will continue. You cannot expect him, at the age of 36 to lead a receiving core.

You would be hard pressed to find a worse WR core than what the Ravens will be running out their against the Broncos, as it currently stands.

Because Steve Smith is the best WR the Ravens have ever had. Because Perriman has the best pedigree/talent of any WR the Ravens have ever drafted. Because Campanaro is always open and makes plays when he is on the field.

 

The Ravens have never had a good WR corps in their history as a team. Last season was about as good as it has ever been, and this group if healthy is an upgrade over last year.

 

The supposed decline of Steve Smith is a joke. He was the Ravens best WR last year and it wasn't close. He had a few ups and downs, like any WR, but he was great at the end of the season and in the postseason. 

[gabefergy]

I disagree.  He had it his rookie year, kinda by default.  Last year, nobody was getting the #2 spot unless their last name was Smith.  There was no way they'd have benched Sr. or Torrey for anybody else on the roster.  Not to mention the guy got injured, but when he came back he was right there in the split for 3rd WR.

 

And when the post season came along, Brown shined while Aiken disappeared, similar to this past preseason.  Now, when I say "shined" I don't mean dominated by any stretch.  But one guy getting 10 targets vs 3 targets speaks volume as to who got open more and was trusted more by the QB

Brown has been a bum since he got here. He had a decent game against NE, but he was a no-show for pretty much the entire season. For the amount of snaps he has seen in the passing game, he has been incredibly unproductive. He may be forced into action once again this season if players ahead of him can't stay healthy, but let's all cross our fingers that isn't necessary.

[Ravens4Real]

Because Steve Smith is the best WR the Ravens have ever had. Because Perriman has the best pedigree/talent of any WR the Ravens have ever drafted. Because Campanaro is always open and makes plays when he is on the field.

The Ravens have never had a good WR corps in their history as a team. Last season was about as good as it has ever been, and this group if healthy is an upgrade over last year.

The supposed decline of Steve Smith is a joke. He was the Ravens best WR last year and it wasn't close. He had a few ups and downs, like any WR, but he was great at the end of the season and in the postseason.

Jamarcus Russell had an amazing pedigree, also. If you can't stay on the field or haven't even played a down, I don't want to hear about what they could POSSIBLY do or continue to do. If they aren't on the field doing it, then no one here can say that the WR core is good.

And look at the stars from last year, teams started the season believing that Torrey would be the number 1 WR. Smith rarely had to deal with teams 1st CB. When teams realized that Smith only ran deep routes, they switched it up. The second half of the season shows that when Smith has to go up against teams number 1's, he can be held in check. Although he did have a nice game against Revis in the playoffs. He isn't a 1 WR anymore. He needs help.

[52520Andrew]

I disagree.  He had it his rookie year, kinda by default.  Last year, nobody was getting the #2 spot unless their last name was Smith.  There was no way they'd have benched Sr. or Torrey for anybody else on the roster.  Not to mention the guy got injured, but when he came back he was right there in the split for 3rd WR.

 

And when the post season came along, Brown shined while Aiken disappeared, similar to this past preseason.  Now, when I say "shined" I don't mean dominated by any stretch.  But one guy getting 10 targets vs 3 targets speaks volume as to who got open more and was trusted more by the QB

 

Sure he was the #2 by default in 2013 and no one besides SSS and Torrey were getting there but if he were good enough to be the #2, he would be right now is my point. He still was around both years, if the coaching staff were confident in his body of work over that time, he would be the #2 right now. We don't have Torrey and SSS is another year older and yet he has ended up losing snaps to guys below him. Not a good sign.

[52520Andrew]

The supposed decline of Steve Smith is a joke. He was the Ravens best WR last year and it wasn't close. He had a few ups and downs, like any WR, but he was great at the end of the season and in the postseason. 

 

Yeah the only guy whose role is clear right now is SSS as our #1 WR, he is a guy I am fairly confident in doing well when our season is on the line and is a threat for the defense anywhere on the field.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

I don't think we can read much of anything from their preseason performance. Because Aiken knew he was going to be the #2 and Brown knew he was going to be the #3, neither one having to worry about fighting for a spot on the team or even to improve their ranking. And it was obvious in the 1st game that our passing offense is going to heavily feature the TEs and RBs, so again in the 1st game, they seemed to be going through the motions--the intensity did pick up a bit in game 3 against the Redskins, but then Aiken got piledriven and from there it was back to taking it easier and playing it safer.

As much as we can't afford to lose SSS, we also can't lose Aiken or Brown (unless Camp can stay healthy) because Waller and Butler aren't ready and who knows when Perriman will recover and be ready to play again, or how ready he'll be after missing so much time and reps..

We're not going to truly know what we have in Aiken & Brown until after several weeks into the regular season.

But even if they need to be schemed open, so what? As long as they get open and catch the ball when it's thrown to them who cares about how they do it.

[January J]

I disagree. He had it his rookie year, kinda by default. Last year, nobody was getting the #2 spot unless their last name was Smith. There was no way they'd have benched Sr. or Torrey for anybody else on the roster. Not to mention the guy got injured, but when he came back he was right there in the split for 3rd WR.

And when the post season came along, Brown shined while Aiken disappeared, similar to this past preseason. Now, when I say "shined" I don't mean dominated by any stretch. But one guy getting 10 targets vs 3 targets speaks volume as to who got open more and was trusted more by the QB

Aiken disappeared in the postseason ? If I recall he had a pretty big td catch against New England . He may not have done a whole lot but that was when he was buried behind several guys anyway and hadn't fully gotten the chance to prove himself. I definitely wouldn't say he dissapeared... And he caught everything that came his way.

I happen to think he earned and deserves the #2 position, but anyway we will just have to see starting Sunday.

[Purple_City39]

Brown has been a bum since he got here. He had a decent game against NE, but he was a no-show for pretty much the entire season. For the amount of snaps he has seen in the passing game, he has been incredibly unproductive. He may be forced into action once again this season if players ahead of him can't stay healthy, but let's all cross our fingers that isn't necessary.

And yet Aiken is worse.  Marlon while injured, still logged more snaps than Kamar, still got more targets late in the season, and did more in the post season.  It's obvious the coaches, who see more than us, thing he's better and Joe found him more reliable when it mattered most. 

[Purple_City39]

Sure he was the #2 by default in 2013 and no one besides SSS and Torrey were getting there but if he were good enough to be the #2, he would be right now is my point. He still was around both years, if the coaching staff were confident in his body of work over that time, he would be the #2 right now. We don't have Torrey and SSS is another year older and yet he has ended up losing snaps to guys below him. Not a good sign.

He was injured in week 1 and 2 of the preseason and Aiken was placed as #2 because of it.  Week 3 they split time.  It could just be there are letting Marlon get reps and easing him back in.  Just like they will do with Perriman, he won't just be thrown into the #2 role his first week back but he'll get it after a few weeks (same with HIll last season.  Didn't start his first game back when it was obvious he would sooner than later).