Whats your WR lineup?

[PurpleCity5]

The only argument I have is that people keep saying "trouble with injuries" for Perriman... he's had the one... 

 

This is gonna be a tough one for coaches with Butler and Brown out there.

Here's my problem. It's not that the injuries are a problem, but the mere fact that it's going to hold him back from getting used to the NFL, not to mention that he's a bit raw, making it a bit more tough. I'm not saying Perriman won't have an impact, he surely will, but the more days he misses, the more tougher it gets on him to get adjusted. My prime concerns aren't with injuries. 

[Tank 92]

I've been pretty high on Waller. I didn't watch the whole game last night, but from what I saw he looked like pooh. I hope he doesn't turn into another failed WR project.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

That Daniel Brown kid looked good tonight, man. 

 

 

yep.  I wouldn't be so quick to throw him out. I know he was playing against scrubs, but he just looks like a football player. Probably ends up on the PS.

Edited September 4, 2015 by Tank 92

[Cillmatic]

We should just carry 7 receivers. Everyone's a keep.

1.steve

2.aiken

3.Camp

4.marlon

5.Perriman

6.Waller

7.D.Brown

[The Mom Gene]

Here's my problem. It's not that the injuries are a problem, but the mere fact that it's going to hold him back from getting used to the NFL, not to mention that he's a bit raw, making it a bit more tough. I'm not saying Perriman won't have an impact, he surely will, but the more days he misses, the more tougher it gets on him to get adjusted. My prime concerns aren't with injuries. 

 

You could be right. 

What's hard to gauge is that we don't know what he is doing.  Is he catching passes on the side?  We saw him doing that before the Redskins game.  I'm not sure he isn't working on chemistry and keeping in shape.  And that may be why it's taking him a little longer to heal.  Only the coaches, trainers and doctors know.

 

Call me an optimist.  I just know the kid from here in Central Florida. 

[ludy51]

I'd like to to see D. brown D. Waller and M.Brown in when we get to the redzone

[HoldingCall]

It's going to be a interesting next two days! I don't see it being a big difference whether the final WR spot on the 53 goes to Waller, Butler or any of the others. It may likely come down to who is best for special teams, since they will likely see little to no action as a WR this year.

Edited September 4, 2015 by HoldingCall

[jimmypowder]

I'd like to to see D. brown D. Waller and M.Brown in when we get to the redzone

That would be interesting. 

 

I know its a long shot but Id like to see more of Daniel Brown. He appears to be a lock for the practice squad but maybe

he surprises everyone and makes the 53.

[rmcjacket23]

Honestly, the "IR/Stash" is a horrible idea, especially for a player you want to develop.  The best place for a player to gain experience in on the field.  The 2nd best place is in practice.  When you IR a player, they obviously can't play in games but they can't even practice either.  They can only do film study and work out in the weight room. 

 

If the team really wants to develop Waller for next year (or later this year), put him on the 53 and make him one of the inactives so he can continue to practice.  He's already proving to be a quick learner

That works... until you need roster spots for players who can actually contribute on gameday. 

 

If we have a quantity of injuries similar to last years, he's eventually going to end up on IR because we can't afford to waste a roster spot on a player we never have any intention of playing and isn't injured.

 

Once we got to about midseason, at least half of the players who were on the 53 but inactive on gameday were injured by not injured to the point where they needed to go on IR.

 

In theory, your solution works, as long as injuries don't play a factor.

[rmcjacket23]

I used to love the phantom injuries landing guys on IR but I never once saw a player succeed from that process.

Its a tough call though.

 

I mean if you think about it... the type of players who are "phantomly" stashed on IR are typically reserve type players who may or may not have even made the active roster to begin with.

 

So, realistically, its sort of a benefit for everybody. The Ravens get to retain the player without cutting him, the player gets to stay in the organization instead of getting cut AND gets paid. The alternative, for a guy like Greenwood perhaps, is not go on IR, get cut, and no team signs him because he's partially injured and/or just isn't a great player to begin with. He doesn't get paid under that scenario.

 

In all honesty, if a guy like Darren Waller had the exact same injury as Perriman has had (where he's not practicing for weeks), Waller would have been placed on IR probably a week or two ago easily. But Perriman is perceived as a far greater talent and far more expensive and important player than Waller, so he's not on IR.

 

It doesn't really matter if Waller would have been back and ready by like week 2 or 3, because its borderline impossible for fringe roster players like Waller to make the team without going on IR if they aren't practicing.

 

I agree that NFL teams sort of abuse this because they will place players on IR who are probably completely healthy by late September or even sooner, but the alternative isn't necessarily something those players want to gamble on.

[jimmypowder]

I like Waller but he sure seems pretty slow off the snap. 

[Static]

I like Waller but he sure seems pretty slow off the snap. 

being 6'6 and 240 will do that but he is fast if he can get into stride.

[jimmypowder]

being 6'6 and 240 will do that but he is fast if he can get into stride.

No doubt but he sure could be a huge red zone threat!

[Mad Puppy]

In order of playing time possible:

 

SSS, Aiken, M. Brown, Perriman, *(Trade/FA pickup)*, Waller

* the traded player must be able to fill returner duties as well.

Wes Welker, but not a returner, could easily replace Campanaro

Not much out there for trade or FA unfortunately

 

 

Cut/Trade:

Campanaro - This guy is made of glass and a walking injury report, This team needs guys that will be active, Likely trade bait

Butler - The IR designation his first year hurt him, Not likely to be more than he is - CUT

Nelson -only chance was a kick returner, he failed - CUT

D. Brown - Hoping he makes it to practice squad

[redlobster]

Steve Smith, Perriman, Aiken, Camp, M Brown, Waller

[gabefergy]

In terms of who makes the team, I think it is pretty easy: Smith Sr., Perriman, Aiken, Camp, Brown, Waller. Jeremy Butler has an outside chance, but seems unlikely they carry 7.

 

I'm more interested in how they are used once the season starts.

 

Smith Sr. is the only constant as far as I am concerned. Perriman once healthy will most likely take over as the number 2, but Aiken will be the starter at the beginning of the season and will see a lot of snaps throughout.

 

Now comes the interesting stuff. I am in favor of Campanaro seeing an expanded role as the primary slot receiver. He needs to stay healthy, but he might be the most dynamic WR we have on the team in terms of ability to consistently get open and make plays after the catch.

 

Brown should be the second option as a slot WR behind Camp and Aiken once Perriman gets back. Waller is basically a depth player who will likely be inactive most days.

 

Once the season gets rolling, provided Perriman and Camp are both healthy, I think our best offensive units will be the following:

 

21 Personnel

WRs: Perriman/Smith Sr. 

TE: Gillmore

FB: Juice

RB: Forsett or Taliaferro

 

12 Personnel

WRs: Perriman/Smith Sr.

TEs: Gilllmore/Williams

RB: Forsett or Taliaferro

 

11 Personnel

WRs: Perriman/Smith Sr/Camp or Aiken

TE: Gillmore or Williams

RB: Forsett or Taliaferro

 

Rotate Brown in to rest Smith/Aiken

[1/28/01]

Not sure yet, but Aiken as our #2 scares the hell out me.

[rmcjacket23]

Not sure yet, but Aiken as our #2 scares the hell out me.

He sure isn't going to scare anybody he plays against, that's for sure.

 

The sad thing is we kind of saw this coming...

[January J]

He sure isn't going to scare anybody he plays against, that's for sure.

The sad thing is we kind of saw this coming...

we will soon see.

[argo14]

The ravens need to sign Hakeem nicks who was just released today! Honestly I'm not sure this receiving core can get it done. Steve smith can obviously play great, Marlon brown had one good season, Aiken has potential, and Campanaro is a big ? There needs to be another veteran receiver to add some depth especially with Perriman's injury, and having no idea when he will play.

 

Its too bad we could not have Steve smith, Anquan Boldin, and Torrey smith all together! 

[Jaydoog]

The ravens need to sign Hakeem nicks who was just released today! Honestly I'm not sure this receiving core can get it done. Steve smith can obviously play great, Marlon brown had one good season, Aiken has potential, and Campanaro is a big ? There needs to be another veteran receiver to add some depth especially with Perriman's injury, and having no idea when he will play.

 

Its too bad we could not have Steve smith, Anquan Boldin, and Torrey smith all together!

You have to ask yourself why did the Titans release Nicks...

[JoeyFlex5]

we dont have the talent at WR currently to guarantee any kind of lineup, but by midseason, health willing, i think the order of our wr corps is gonna be: 

 

1. smitty 

2. perriman 

3. camp 

4. brown 

5. waller 

6. aiken  

 

lets hope camp and perriman get and stay healthy, otherwise our wr corps is looking paper thin

[Ravensfan23]

we dont have the talent at WR currently to guarantee any kind of lineup, but by midseason, health willing, i think the order of our wr corps is gonna be: 

 

1. smitty 

2. perriman 

3. camp 

4. brown 

5. waller 

6. aiken  

 

lets hope camp and perriman get and stay healthy, otherwise our wr corps is looking paper thin

Im not comparing these 4 players in talent but moreso in the impact they could have to this offense. Just wanna make that clear.

Perriman and Camp could be to this offense what Moss and Welker was to the Pats. Again not saying Perriman or Camp are as good but those are the guys that could take this offense to another level. Teams would actually need to go into games worrying about how to contain those guys. Do you keep a safety over the top and open up the middle for Camp to kill you or do you defend the intermediate and take your chances with Perriman on the outside. Now obviously both those guys have to stay healthy and then prove it on the field, but i love the potential.

It's interesting you have Aiken as #6, i actually see him in the same light. He'll be a solid ST guy and provide much of the same as last season in the pass game but i don't view him in the same light as many. I like him but don't really see him producing outside on a constant basis. I see him more as a 4th or 5th WR who has most of his success on schemed routes. I hope once the regular season starts he just blows up but based on what i saw last season and so far this season, i have concerns about Aiken.

[JoeyFlex5]

Im not comparing these 4 players in talent but moreso in the impact they could have to this offense. Just wanna make that clear.

Perriman and Camp could be to this offense what Moss and Welker was to the Pats. Again not saying Perriman or Camp are as good but those are the guys that could take this offense to another level. Teams would actually need to go into games worrying about how to contain those guys. Do you keep a safety over the top and open up the middle for Camp to kill you or do you defend the intermediate and take your chances with Perriman on the outside. Now obviously both those guys have to stay healthy and then prove it on the field, but i love the potential.

It's interesting you have Aiken as #6, i actually see him in the same light. He'll be a solid ST guy and provide much of the same as last season in the pass game but i don't view him in the same light as many. I like him but don't really see him producing outside on a constant basis. I see him more as a 4th or 5th WR who has most of his success on schemed routes. I hope once the regular season starts he just blows up but based on what i saw last season and so far this season, i have concerns about Aiken.

 

Im not comparing these 4 players in talent but moreso in the impact they could have to this offense. Just wanna make that clear.

Perriman and Camp could be to this offense what Moss and Welker was to the Pats. Again not saying Perriman or Camp are as good but those are the guys that could take this offense to another level. Teams would actually need to go into games worrying about how to contain those guys. Do you keep a safety over the top and open up the middle for Camp to kill you or do you defend the intermediate and take your chances with Perriman on the outside. Now obviously both those guys have to stay healthy and then prove it on the field, but i love the potential.

It's interesting you have Aiken as #6, i actually see him in the same light. He'll be a solid ST guy and provide much of the same as last season in the pass game but i don't view him in the same light as many. I like him but don't really see him producing outside on a constant basis. I see him more as a 4th or 5th WR who has most of his success on schemed routes. I hope once the regular season starts he just blows up but based on what i saw last season and so far this season, i have concerns about Aiken.

i was shaky on aiken coming into the preseason, and he has done nothing to change my mind, not that preseason is any indicator, but i just have no reason to believe he can produce like a #2 should, and i said the same thing about marlon brown as well, i think both of those guys are best left as part timers who take the field in spread sets for when we need to run a full time no-huddle, and i think giving them a snap count in line with a #2 is detrimental to the passing game. sorry not sorry, i just dont see it from either of those guys. 

 

havent seen anything from perriman, and im certainly not anointing anyone, but i think its almost safe to say that if he recovers from this injury and it doesnt linger, then he is nearly guaranteed to be our 2nd best WR by default after he gets up to speed. meanwhile, campanaro, if he could just stay freaking healthy, PLEASE! then he is the safest bet after smitty, the kid can flat out ball, he has every single thing you look for in a chain mover except for durability, and it sucks watching this much talent circling the drain because of injuries, but it is what it is. if campanaro cant stay on the field this year then i almost expect the ravens to go into next years draft looking for a WR in the top 3 rounds, because after smitty, our wr corps looks grim

[ravensnick]

In order of playing time possible:

 

SSS, Aiken, M. Brown, Perriman, *(Trade/FA pickup)*, Waller

* the traded player must be able to fill returner duties as well.

Wes Welker, but not a returner, could easily replace Campanaro

Not much out there for trade or FA unfortunately

 

 

Cut/Trade:

Campanaro - This guy is made of glass and a walking injury report, This team needs guys that will be active, Likely trade bait

Butler - The IR designation his first year hurt him, Not likely to be more than he is - CUT

Nelson -only chance was a kick returner, he failed - CUT

D. Brown - Hoping he makes it to practice squad

You really want the guy that has probably had 10 concussions and is 34 years old?

[ravensnick]

Perriman would obviously make this a lot easier, but right now, the no brainer #1 and #2 are Steve Smith and Kamar Aiken. I think AIken would be an great #3, but not quite a #2 threat on this offense. If I'm Ozzie, I'm looking to make a trade, even if Perriman can play Week One. Signing a guy like Pierre Thomas could also great improve our passing attack. 

[Ravensfan23]

Perriman would obviously make this a lot easier, but right now, the no brainer #1 and #2 are Steve Smith and Kamar Aiken. I think AIken would be an great #3, but not quite a #2 threat on this offense. If I'm Ozzie, I'm looking to make a trade, even if Perriman can play Week One. Signing a guy like Pierre Thomas could also great improve our passing attack.

What has Aiken done to be a no brainer as the #2 right now other then staying healthy all camp and winning the job bu default?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'd take Hakeem Nicks for the vet minimum. He's more proven than anyone else out there and worst case scenario he becomes a solid #3, and a good fill in for Perriman until her returns.... Best case scenario he reverts to his old self. It's honestly a low risk high reward thing. 

[rmcjacket23]

I'd take Hakeem Nicks for the vet minimum. He's more proven than anyone else out there and worst case scenario he becomes a solid #3, and a good fill in for Perriman until her returns.... Best case scenario he reverts to his old self. It's honestly a low risk high reward thing. 

I wouldn't say him as a #3 is the worst case scenario. He was basically the #3-4 guy in Tennessee, where they probably had about as much talent at WR as we do currently last season.

 

He hasn't reverted to his old self in several years now, and its pretty much a foregone conclusion he never will. In many ways, its a low reward, marginal risk thing, because every snap he takes is a snap a younger receiver (whom we still know nothing about in live games) doesn't get.

 

If there were ever a year to find out what guys like Marlon Brown, Kamar Aiken, and Campanaro have at the WR position, its this one. Otherwise, we just continue to retread the same questions year after year.

 

Either way, for me, 2015 is going to give us some clarity at the WR position I believe. We know we are invested in Perriman for at least 3-4 years, and we're going to see what all of these "hyped" guys are all about this season. SSS is out after this year, and we could be staring at a complete gutting of the WR core by April. 

 

Or, we find out some of these guys can play, which is something Nicks will really only hinder, not help.

[January J]

What has Aiken done to be a no brainer as the #2 right now other then staying healthy all camp and winning the job bu default?

hes been the most consistent receiver other than sss and has performed well all offseason. Consistency is the key. No we havent seen much from him, but we havent seen much from anybody, and if the coaching staff has him as the #2 im confident that is where he belongs and that he will produce.