[News] Big Game For Kapron Lewis-Moore

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The Ravens defensive tackle has a chance to make the 53-man roster after a tough start to his career.

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[ellicottraven]

I loved what Brooks said to Kapron. "You've got a lot of talent, we'll get it out of you"! I believe that.

[fusuymada]

I know this wont be a popular position but we have signed a number of players recently who went through injuries late in their college careers like Urban, Lewis-Moore, and Marlon Brown and I think the jury is still out on that strategy of using a pick that could have been used on a healthy player who could contribute right away but instead using it on a player who is injured and probably wont play for you until their second year. What we know at this point is Urban and Lewis-Moore sustained additional injuries indicating that injured college players become injured pro players. Lewis-Moore has healed this year but has not shown any of that potential that he showed early in his senior career at Notre Dame. Brown continues to deal with his second straight season of nagging injuries. He came in and produced well in his rookie season leading the Ravens to believe they had a steal but the last two years his roster spot has been tenuous and his production is nothing like they expected. Hopefully, this experiment has run its course.

[TheConquerorWorm]

I know this wont be a popular position but we have signed a number of players recently who went through injuries late in their college careers like Urban, Lewis-Moore, and Marlon Brown and I think the jury is still out on that strategy of using a pick that could have been used on a healthy player who could contribute right away but instead using it on a player who is injured and probably wont play for you until their second year. What we know at this point is Urban and Lewis-Moore sustained additional injuries indicating that injured college players become injured pro players. Lewis-Moore has healed this year but has not shown any of that potential that he showed early in his senior career at Notre Dame. Brown continues to deal with his second straight season of nagging injuries. He came in and produced well in his rookie season leading the Ravens to believe they had a steal but the last two years his roster spot has been tenuous and his production is nothing like they expected. Hopefully, this experiment has run its course.

Brown was an undrafted free agent. As far as "wasting" a pick, I don't agree. Using a 4th or 6th Round pick on 1st or 2nd round talent has as good a chance to pan out as drafting a player. Yes, Urban & KLM haven't worked out, but neither has draft picks John Simon, Robert Myers, etc. Assuming a late round draft pick will help this team is a bit faulty. Same as assuming injured college players are injured NFL players. James Hurst has been a solid pick-up despite a serious injury in college (keeping him from being drafted). Same goes for Frank Gore, Aaron Colvin, Travis Kelce, etc, etc. It really depends on the individual. Plenty of players have come back from torn ACLs - Tom Brady, Jamal Charles, AP, Yanda, Gronk, Von Miller, Revis, etc. The NFL is a violent sport where injuries happen to every player. If you've ever seen Campanaro in person, you know exactly why he is always getting hurt. Don't get me wrong, love the guy, but sometimes players just aren't built for the rigors of the NFL. At the end of the day, the draft is a crap shoot - 50% of ALL players drafted in the 4th round or later never make it to the end of their rookie contract. 

[Crusader]

"That strategy of using a pick that could have been used on a healthy player who could contribute right away but instead using it on a player who is injured and probably wont play for you until their second year" That bothers me too, Joe should have multiple SB's but I fear were just wasting his time on bleeding heart picks and haggling onto players that can't stay healthy.

[birdseye]

I respectfully disagree fusuymada, we can't stay away from certain players because they got injured during their recruiting season or in their college career. First, Its quite rare that we would find a healthy, impact player that can contribute year 1 in the later parts of the draft or as an UFA (albeit the ravens are very good at finding such gems compared to the league as a whole) . Second, pending our picks on players that have a lot of upside but might be have to take a redshirt year is most definitely worth it. Its impossible to gauge whether a player will be injury prone in the NFL, the speed and force of collisions and the wear and tear on the body is tenfold what college football is. Lastly, Injuries are out of our control. What we can control is how detailed our scouting is and our interpretation of the tape. We draft the best player available, that is the foundation of our team, we accumulate picks and spend them on the most talented players we have on our board. Side Note: If teams stayed away from players with injuries in their history the NFL wouldn't exist.

[Jim Giampaoli]

The Ravens saw natural talent in KLP or they would never have gone near him, to even sign him as a red shirt. I think he will do well tomorrow night and make the final roster. He'll improve on his pass rushing techniques.

[harfordravenfan]

I respectfully disagree fusuymada, we can't stay away from certain players because they got injured during their recruiting season or in their college career. First, Its quite rare that we would find a healthy, impact player that can contribute year 1 in the later parts of the draft or as an UFA (albeit the ravens are very good at finding such gems compared to the league as a whole) . Second, pending our picks on players that have a lot of upside but might be have to take a redshirt year is most definitely worth it. Its impossible to gauge whether a player will be injury prone in the NFL, the speed and force of collisions and the wear and tear on the body is tenfold what college football is. Lastly, Injuries are out of our control. What we can control is how detailed our scouting is and our interpretation of the tape. We draft the best player available, that is the foundation of our team, we accumulate picks and spend them on the most talented players we have on our board. Side Note: If teams stayed away from players with injuries in their history the NFL wouldn't exist.

Agreed, you said pretty much everything I was thinking.

[Maryland]

I hope he does make the team. He should get better as he gets more healthy and fit. Plus we really need DE depth with Urban out and Canty getting old.

[Rasenshuriken84]

this guy was an absolute monster in college, late first/early second round talent that we picked up in the back third of the draft if i remember right. if he can regain his confidence from worrying about being injured he can be the next great DE for the Ravens.

[Fastynart]

I see nothing wrong with drafting a guy at the back end of the draft who would have gone a lot higher, but was injured. Moore is one of those guys. If he makes it, the Ravens are geniuses. If not, they are the goat. What I have a problem with is wasting first round picks on the likes of Elam and as far as I can tell, Perriman. Elam out and out sucks, and Perriman has hands of stone. Now he is injured so that sets back further any improvement.

[757RavensFan]

I really like KLM and I hope he makes the 53 and contributes this year.

I see nothing wrong with drafting a guy at the back end of the draft who would have gone a lot higher, but was injured. Moore is one of those guys. If he makes it, the Ravens are geniuses. If not, they are the goat. What I have a problem with is wasting first round picks on the likes of Elam and as far as I can tell, Perriman. Elam out and out sucks, and Perriman has hands of stone. Now he is injured so that sets back further any improvement.

I seriously think it's time to move on from this. Why would a WR who couldn't catch be listed on everyone's draft board as a 1st rounder. Plus, it was apparent in OTAs and mini-camp that his drops were minimal and far in between. I've never seen a Ravens draft pick crucified so much before playing a SINGLE regular season game as Perriman. It's pretty sad actually at the lack of support he's getting. I'm sure him being out weighs more on him than it does on any fan.

[MYTH420]

I think the injury to Means guarantees hell make the team. Like the article said, the last spot is between him and Bilikudi. I think they will give it to Lewis-Moore for 2 reasons. First, he's looked decent enough after coming back from all those injuries, that he Ravens want a chance to see his full potential. Second, he's a little cheaper than Bilikudi. I think overall he's got the edge.

[RavenRichM]

The 53 man roster was decided days ago, at least. John Harbaugh even said so. The narrative that the performance of certain players, tonight, has anybeffect on whether they will be on the Ravens by the end of the weekend, flies in the face of fact....unless you believe Harbaugh lies....

[RRRRRavens]

I know this wont be a popular position but we have signed a number of players recently who went through injuries late in their college careers like Urban, Lewis-Moore, and Marlon Brown and I think the jury is still out on that strategy of using a pick that could have been used on a healthy player who could contribute right away but instead using it on a player who is injured and probably wont play for you until their second year. What we know at this point is Urban and Lewis-Moore sustained additional injuries indicating that injured college players become injured pro players. Lewis-Moore has healed this year but has not shown any of that potential that he showed early in his senior career at Notre Dame. Brown continues to deal with his second straight season of nagging injuries. He came in and produced well in his rookie season leading the Ravens to believe they had a steal but the last two years his roster spot has been tenuous and his production is nothing like they expected. Hopefully, this experiment has run its course.

Yes, you do have an unpopular position.  But it still might be true.  Do you, or anybody else, have any data on how a player being injured in college predicts his future performance in the NFL?  I suspect most of the general managers around the league do have some data on this but so far they aren't telling us.  Of course this would depend on the type of injury and its extent.  Still I, for one, would like to know what kind of risk we take when we pick up a player with an injury history.  Without the data we're all just guessing and the more honest and knowledgeable of us admit that. 

Edited September 3, 2015 by RRRRRavens

[jdynamite]

Basically Asa's preseason has reminded me of another former returner, David Reed. He would make a good return then fumble another time. Boom or bust and not enough trust. He didn't last very long regardless of good times.

[harfordravenfan]

Basically Asa's preseason has reminded me of another former returner, David Reed. He would make a good return then fumble another time. Boom or bust and not enough trust. He didn't last very long regardless of good times.

Actually a good comparison, only thing in asa's favor right now is lack of a returner to replace him and scary depth at cb (although he's one of the scary ones)