how arthur brown could fit in

[JoeyFlex5]

arthur brown looks like a stud vs backups, he looks like he just cant avoid the occasional mental lapse though, which might finally explain why the coaches arent allowing him to play in meaningful games. HOWEVER... im not sure anyone would argue orr taking a roster spot after his bad preseason, and mclellan... well his versatility is nice but when he steps on the field he offers nothing but another body. arthur brown, while he has not proven himself to be a reliable LB, he still offers a very dangerous skillset that he does better than any LB on this team, the delayed blitz.. 

 

mosley can bring a nasty delayed blitz as well, but brown has something that cant be taught and something that none of our other LBs have, insane speed and burst, the dude can run like a WR, and people may have forgotten this by now, but in his rookie year he got alot of looks as a weapon in a delayed blitz, and he looked damn good at it, i dont know if he ever got the sack, but almost every time he was sent out there for it, he perfectly timed it, found the gap, and shot in like a homing missile, forcing a errant throw nearly every time. he has really shot a few gaps in the preseason as well and his burst is just undeniable. 

 

so what im thinking, is that he offers more than any of the other ILBs on the roster, by bringing an interior blitzing threat and bringing that speed that no other player in our front seven can bring, we will miss that exotic blitz guy that we had with mcphee, i believe arthur brown could not replace mcphee, but could be our best bet to be that x factor in the pass rush. 

 

thoughts?

[GrimCoconut]

Eh, I don't see why we would have an ILB in the game whose main purpose is to blitz. LOL. That kinda tips the hand and says "Hey, yeah, we're about to do 'you-know-what' and we hope you can stop us with this Cam Cameron defensive playcalling here" kinda thing. Maybe if he can do better he can get some reps, that'll be cool. I just don't see it happening as a guy who solely comes in to blitz. That's like having a blocking TE who ONLY blocks or a FB who ONLY blocks (AKA Leach). People know what's coming and that makes you automatically less effective. 

 

I think his role will be ST. He has looked kinda good there, actually. I'm sorta impressed by his play there lately. I think he will make the team. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Instead of trying to fit pieces based on his draft status, how about we just fit in players that deserves to be on a 53 roster?

 

Orr tops Arthur Brown in every phase of the game.   Durability, knack for finding plays, quickness on scrimmage, ability to tackle both backfield and in the trenches.   Yes, Arthur Brown was a high 2nd round pick and Orr was undrafted, but its pretty clear Orr has shown a MUCH more promising career with a smaller window of opportunity than Arthur has.   

 

It is already year #3 for Arthur and he is basically still trying to punch through 3rd stringer role.   So after 2 seasons being on 53 roster, he finally figured out(MAYBE) to be viable in ST??? Its not acceptable.   

Edited September 1, 2015 by Ravenseconbeast

[Ravens4Real]

arthur brown looks like a stud vs backups, he looks like he just cant avoid the occasional mental lapse though, which might finally explain why the coaches arent allowing him to play in meaningful games. HOWEVER... im not sure anyone would argue orr taking a roster spot after his bad preseason, and mclellan... well his versatility is nice but when he steps on the field he offers nothing but another body. arthur brown, while he has not proven himself to be a reliable LB, he still offers a very dangerous skillset that he does better than any LB on this team, the delayed blitz..

mosley can bring a nasty delayed blitz as well, but brown has something that cant be taught and something that none of our other LBs have, insane speed and burst, the dude can run like a WR, and people may have forgotten this by now, but in his rookie year he got alot of looks as a weapon in a delayed blitz, and he looked damn good at it, i dont know if he ever got the sack, but almost every time he was sent out there for it, he perfectly timed it, found the gap, and shot in like a homing missile, forcing a errant throw nearly every time. he has really shot a few gaps in the preseason as well and his burst is just undeniable.

so what im thinking, is that he offers more than any of the other ILBs on the roster, by bringing an interior blitzing threat and bringing that speed that no other player in our front seven can bring, we will miss that exotic blitz guy that we had with mcphee, i believe arthur brown could not replace mcphee, but could be our best bet to be that x factor in the pass rush.

thoughts?

Any offensive coordinator worth anything would notice him on the field and just call a screen that would kill that D call.

Also, even with all of his athleticism, he seems to constantly get embarrassed/looks like he has no clue in pass coverage. He has all the athleticism in the world but it just doesn't seem like he is an intelligent/instinctual football player. Picture Brown up against a great RB receiving threat like a Sproles or L. Bell. Hell, Mosley has big problems guarding L. Bell and I'm not even going to think about Brown being anywhere near the level of Mosley.

Like someone stated above me, put the best players on the field and stop trying to force people in just because they have insane workout numbers or were drafted high. Brown shouldn't be on the field in meaningful games.

[GrimCoconut]

instead of trying to fit pieces on just soley based on his draft status, 

 

how about we just fit in players that deserves to be on a 53 roster.   

Orr tops Arthur Brown in every phase of the game.   Yes, arthur brown was a high 2nd round pick and Orr was undrafted, but its pretty clear Orr has shown a MUCH more promising career with a smaller window of opportunity that Arthur has.   

 

It is already year #3 for Arthur and he is basically still trying to punch through 3rd stringer role.   Its not acceptable.   

I'm not about to defend Brown against your criticism that he hasn't lived up to his draft status and it doesn't appear to be just because he's behind Mosley and Smith, but I will defend him regarding one of your comments. You say that "Orr tops Arthur Brown in every phase of the game" but that's just not true. I do think Orr is better than Brown at this point, but I don't think he tops him and if he does it isn't by much. Orr is a better run stopping LB that Arthur Brown, but I do NOT think he is better in coverage because I saw Orr get abused all day against the Eagles. I read people who said that he was good in coverage but I didn't see that at all. I also didn't think Arthur Brown played great in coverage this year, either, but I do think he played slightly better in coverage than Orr. 

 

I've reached the conclusion that he needs to either work on his instincts or he simply isn't football smart. He takes bad angles a lot. This was an issue I had in college but I didn't think much of it since I thought he could overcome it, but man was I wrong there. It's still a problem to this day. In that way, I do think Orr has better instincts than Brown. I just think you're wrong that he is this superior player to Arthur Brown in every way. That's simply not true. I also do think Brown is a better blitzer and pass rusher than Orr. Brown's also looked better lately on ST as well. I am not saying he's looked better than Orr on ST, just that he's looked better compared to before. He actually looks competent now.

[JoeyFlex5]

im not making excuses for arthur brown based on his draft status, but he orr is not better than him, he may have more of a mental grasp, but even he looks lost out there at times and he doesnt have the physical gifts to bring anything special to the table. 

 

and grim im not saying to ONLY blitz him up the middle when he comes in, but make a sub-package that can utilize his speed, let him sniff out screens, move him around, let him stack over the NT or shadow him over the OT on either side, mix it up, stunt with him, line him up on the left and crash the right side and let him stunt around, etc. etc. im not saying just cater to him because he can only do a few things good, im just saying that he does have a skillset that can be an asset, why not take advantage of it while he is also playing good on special teams? because this preseason his defensive and ST contributions were superior to orr and mclellan, i see no reason to give either of them a spot over brown, and i think brown does potentially bring something to the table for subpackages.

[RayRocks]

It could potentially work, but like GrimCoconut and JoeyFlex said, it can't be that only comes in for one specific thing.

 

I think the wisest thing to do would be to have him use the inside blitz 30% of the time, with the rest of the time just covering a RB/FB in man coverage.  This way the game isn't complicated and he doesn't have to think about more than one thing at a time.  It's either "get the RB" or "get the QB."  From what I've noticed, his flaws come from zone coverage and when he doesn't stick to his gap in run defense.

[Tru11]

im pretty sure a guy like doom comes in for 1 special thing as well.

 

everyone knows he will be rushing the passer and it still works.

 

brown is probably the best blitzing ILB we have and all of you fans who wants the defensive to be more aggressive should hope brown gets in on some sub packages.

 

dude was pretty good blitzing in his rookie season as well.

 

its that pees prefers a 4 man rush with suggs and doom on the outside and 2 big guys in the middle.

[gabefergy]

I think Arthur Brown is much better than Orr in run defense, and Orr is far better in pass coverage. I do like what Brown can do as a blitzer. Brown has made real strides as a ST player as well. In the end I think we carry 5 ILBs as all 3 backups have shown reason to keep them. McClellan has probably flashed the least but I think his role is secure.

[TDubbs]

I agree with the intention of the post, I too would like to see Art Brown get some situational reps. Mosley/Smith are the unquestioned starters, but we'll never know what we have in Brown if he doesn't get game action. We need to find out cause Smith won't play forever ... 

[CalvinSmoke]

This is why I made the post about him playing edge rusher. He's so gifted it's a shame he couldn't put it all together

[RayRocks]

I think Arthur Brown is much better than Orr in run defense, and Orr is far better in pass coverage. I do like what Brown can do as a blitzer. Brown has made real strides as a ST player as well. In the end I think we carry 5 ILBs as all 3 backups have shown reason to keep them. McClellan has probably flashed the least but I think his role is secure.

 

I think McClellan's spot is possibly the most on the line out of the 3 of them.  Orr has far more upside and they may want to give Brown 1 more year to make some plays and prove himself.  McClellan is a limited athlete who really only excels at special teams.  I'd personally rather give a spot to Brown over McClellan because I think players like McClellan can be found on waivers throughout the season.

[sflegend89]

I loved Brown when we drafted him but I'm starting to just see him as a big investment (2nd round pick) rapidly declining in value. He played in a 4-3 in college, he's talented but he doesn't fit our scheme. I wish we just traded him last offseason when CJ was dominating in camp and  we could maybe get a 4th back for Brown to a team that thought they could work with him and had a spot for him. 

 

In the NFL he should be a 4-3 OLB, that is the biggest issue for me. KSU runs a 4-3. He was recruited to KSU to play OLB and switched after he got there to ILB. I think if we traded him to a 4-3 team he could actually do pretty well, maybe even start depending on the team. Styles matter a lot more than people realize at the NFL level, CJ for instance is a PERFECT fit as a 3-4 ILB. In Brown's case I think we fell in love with a player and not so much how he fit our defense. 

Edited September 1, 2015 by sflegend89

[Filmstudy]

Instead of trying to fit pieces based on his draft status, how about we just fit in players that deserves to be on a 53 roster?

 

Orr tops Arthur Brown in every phase of the game.   Durability, knack for finding plays, quickness on scrimmage, ability to tackle both backfield and in the trenches.   Yes, Arthur Brown was a high 2nd round pick and Orr was undrafted, but its pretty clear Orr has shown a MUCH more promising career with a smaller window of opportunity than Arthur has.   

 

It is already year #3 for Arthur and he is basically still trying to punch through 3rd stringer role.   So after 2 seasons being on 53 roster, he finally figured out(MAYBE) to be viable in ST??? Its not acceptable.   

I agree with you on Orr over Brown.  This PS, Orr has had the green dot much more than ABrown.  That's a commitment I believe is significant.

 

The 2 arguments you mention for ABrown proponents are:

 

1.  He was a 2nd round pick.  That's actually a detriment now based on his prospective cap charges relative to Orr.

 

2.  He is a 3rd-year player.  Another detriment.  Orr is a 2nd-year player with 3 years of team control (RFA year included) vs. 2 for Brown.

 

Said otherwise, ABrown needs to outplay Orr significantly to be the better value relative to the cap and options.  

 

McClellan is the player ABrown could beat out for a spot, because Albert is more expensive and has only 1 year of team control.  I have said that if we see the team extend McClellan for 1 year this camp, it's a good sign the team is ready to jettison Brown.

 

I don't think it's possible that all 3 make it based on the developing depth concerns at DL, RB, and CB where the potential need for inactive reserves (Jernigan, Webb, Taliaferro) create roster pressure.

 

As to Arthur being a blitz specialist, that's not a bad idea at all, particularly with the losses of Means and Jernigan.  However, he needs to be able to do something else on the field other than blitz, or there is no deceptive component.  Atlanta could be a good test for this.  Set him up to blitz the A gap 3-6 times and see if he can create havoc with the blitz and/or drop to cover effectively. Line him up normally and see if he can read and execute green dog opportunities if his assignment is kept in to block.

[1/28/01]

Fetching Gatorade?

[berad]

I agree with you on Orr over Brown.  This PS, Orr has had the green dot much more than ABrown.  That's a commitment I believe is significant.

 

The 2 arguments you mention for ABrown proponents are:

 

1.  He was a 2nd round pick.  That's actually a detriment now based on his prospective cap charges relative to Orr.

 

2.  He is a 3rd-year player.  Another detriment.  Orr is a 2nd-year player with 3 years of team control (RFA year included) vs. 2 for Brown.

 

Said otherwise, ABrown needs to outplay Orr significantly to be the better value relative to the cap and options.  

 

McClellan is the player ABrown could beat out for a spot, because Albert is more expensive and has only 1 year of team control.  I have said that if we see the team extend McClellan for 1 year this camp, it's a good sign the team is ready to jettison Brown.

 

I don't think it's possible that all 3 make it based on the developing depth concerns at DL, RB, and CB where the potential need for inactive reserves (Jernigan, Webb, Taliaferro) create roster pressure.

 

As to Arthur being a blitz specialist, that's not a bad idea at all, particularly with the losses of Means and Jernigan.  However, he needs to be able to do something else on the field other than blitz, or there is no deceptive component.  Atlanta could be a good test for this.  Set him up to blitz the A gap 3-6 times and see if he can create havoc with the blitz and/or drop to cover effectively. Line him up normally and see if he can read and execute green dog opportunities if his assignment is kept in to block.

 

About Brown's contract, he could have some guaranteed money in there that makes it hard to cut him. With Elam, I remember it would cost us more money to keep him than cut him because of his deal.

[rmw10]

I do think Brown still has some value, and for that reason, I'd keep him.  The only way I'd consider moving him at this point is in a swap for a player at one of our need positions.  Otherwise, I don't see the point in cutting him.

[polynesian15]

Eh, I don't see why we would have an ILB in the game whose main purpose is to blitz. LOL. That kinda tips the hand and says "Hey, yeah, we're about to do 'you-know-what' and we hope you can stop us with this Cam Cameron defensive playcalling here" kinda thing. Maybe if he can do better he can get some reps, that'll be cool. I just don't see it happening as a guy who solely comes in to blitz. That's like having a blocking TE who ONLY blocks or a FB who ONLY blocks (AKA Leach). People know what's coming and that makes you automatically less effective. 

 

I think his role will be ST. He has looked kinda good there, actually. I'm sorta impressed by his play there lately. I think he will make the team. 

I remember Leach catching some nice passes, he also caught one in the SB no? I loved watching him catch and tumble along like a big bear.

Anyways, I get what you're saying - Arthur needs to develop into a more complete player. Waste of a roster spot if all he does (well) is the occasional blitz.

He's shown some flashes this pre season, let's hope that has given him some confidence that he can apply to his regular season snaps. 

[Clmraven]

A year or two ago I'd say let him drop to his college weight and put him at SS, but he hasn't looked nearly as good in coverage as he was pegged coming out. I like the idea of using him as a sub package blitz linebacker I posted something similar a while back, but pees would have to get very creative to make it work, maybe some zone blitzes? Drop a lineman into coverage and let Arthur use his speed on the inside and outside.

[JoeyFlex5]

I remember Leach catching some nice passes, he also caught one in the SB no? I loved watching him catch and tumble along like a big bear.

Anyways, I get what you're saying - Arthur needs to develop into a more complete player. Waste of a roster spot if all he does (well) is the occasional blitz.

He's shown some flashes this pre season, let's hope that has given him some confidence that he can apply to his regular season snaps. 

all pernell mcphee did was the occasional blitz. 

 

all dumervil does is blitz. 

 

just saying, youre calling it a waste of a roster spot but its really not farfetched at all, because there are a large number of players who only see the field to rush the passer, and right now we only have one player dedicated to getting to the qb, the rest of our guys outside of dumervil are either more "balanced" or are mostly run stuffers and space eaters, having a guy like arthur brown to bring the threat of a lightning fast stunt blitz will make our pass rush more effective and it in now way is a waste of a roster spot. sorry we cant just find a von miller or justin houston and sign him for cheap, most teams dont have that luxury, but what most teams(like us) DO have is a rotation of guys who can do their job and play their roles, i dont see why this would suddenly be a problem for ravens fans considering we have won for 10+ years off of this rotation formula

[polynesian15]

all pernell mcphee did was the occasional blitz. 

 

all dumervil does is blitz. 

 

just saying, youre calling it a waste of a roster spot but its really not farfetched at all, because there are a large number of players who only see the field to rush the passer, and right now we only have one player dedicated to getting to the qb, the rest of our guys outside of dumervil are either more "balanced" or are mostly run stuffers and space eaters, having a guy like arthur brown to bring the threat of a lightning fast stunt blitz will make our pass rush more effective and it in now way is a waste of a roster spot. sorry we cant just find a von miller or justin houston and sign him for cheap, most teams dont have that luxury, but what most teams(like us) DO have is a rotation of guys who can do their job and play their roles, i dont see why this would suddenly be a problem for ravens fans considering we have won for 10+ years off of this rotation formula

Good point and it also seems he's bettered himself on ST. Anyone know what his weight is up to these days?

[JoeyFlex5]

Good point and it also seems he's bettered himself on ST. Anyone know what his weight is up to these days?

i think the weight issues were gone by the start of last years training camp, its the mental curve he cant seem to get over, his instincts are pretty bad and it seems he can only execute when given one distinct task, if he is sent out there to read and react then he will get abused. if he is sent out there with a simple assignment and we can let his speed and burst do the job, then he can be an asset.

[ravensnick]

How Arthur Brown can fit:

 

1. Play ST

2. Excel when given his chances

[Ravensfan23]

all pernell mcphee did was the occasional blitz. 

 

all dumervil does is blitz. 

 

just saying, youre calling it a waste of a roster spot but its really not farfetched at all, because there are a large number of players who only see the field to rush the passer, and right now we only have one player dedicated to getting to the qb, the rest of our guys outside of dumervil are either more "balanced" or are mostly run stuffers and space eaters, having a guy like arthur brown to bring the threat of a lightning fast stunt blitz will make our pass rush more effective and it in now way is a waste of a roster spot. sorry we cant just find a von miller or justin houston and sign him for cheap, most teams dont have that luxury, but what most teams(like us) DO have is a rotation of guys who can do their job and play their roles, i dont see why this would suddenly be a problem for ravens fans considering we have won for 10+ years off of this rotation formula

I actually don't see it as a bad idea. Especially if ZDS isn't ready to be that primary 3rd rusher on a regular basis. The issuse becomes removing either CJ or Buck from the defense. Those guys stay on the field 90% of the time. So do you just us Brown as a Rover type guy as a 3rd LB or do you as him to be a full blown pass rusher? I could see Pees factoring him into tje defense but not much. We're much more likely to see that 3rd Safety or sub DB blitzing than to see Brown come in just to blitz. But i think he'd be effective if Pees did use him that way.

[JoeyFlex5]

I actually don't see it as a bad idea. Especially if ZDS isn't ready to be that primary 3rd rusher on a regular basis. The issuse becomes removing either CJ or Buck from the defense. Those guys stay on the field 90% of the time. So do you just us Brown as a Rover type guy as a 3rd LB or do you as him to be a full blown pass rusher? I could see Pees factoring him into tje defense but not much. We're much more likely to see that 3rd Safety or sub DB blitzing than to see Brown come in just to blitz. But i think he'd be effective if Pees did use him that way.

i think as a rover, because that allows him to disguise the intentions a bit, like he comes on the field, and the offense knows hes blitzing, but if he is in a different spot every time, then where is this blitz coming from? the offense would basically need a wall across the interior and could never assign interior guys to help handle edge rushers, because the threat of a stunt with all that speed that brown has, will shake up the offenses gameplan. then as soon as one of our interior guys can crash open a hole and spread the line, then brown has his window to blitz. 

 

we have already done it with brown, in his rookie year we used him to great effectiveness on delayed blitzes, we would crash the interior to one side, open a gap, and brown would zip in there like a missile, and cj mosley isnt the greatest in coverage, meanwhile daryl smith is a pass coverage machine, mosley and brown could rotate in those exotic blitz packages and daryl could be a full time zone cover-man

[gabefergy]

all pernell mcphee did was the occasional blitz.

all dumervil does is blitz.

just saying, youre calling it a waste of a roster spot but its really not farfetched at all, because there are a large number of players who only see the field to rush the passer, and right now we only have one player dedicated to getting to the qb, the rest of our guys outside of dumervil are either more "balanced" or are mostly run stuffers and space eaters, having a guy like arthur brown to bring the threat of a lightning fast stunt blitz will make our pass rush more effective and it in now way is a waste of a roster spot. sorry we cant just find a von miller or justin houston and sign him for cheap, most teams dont have that luxury, but what most teams(like us) DO have is a rotation of guys who can do their job and play their roles, i dont see why this would suddenly be a problem for ravens fans considering we have won for 10+ years off of this rotation formula

I'm starting to get the feeling you don't understand the definition of a blitz. Dumervil and Mcphee blitzed on occassion, but also lined up on the DL far more frequently.

Taking a stand-up, off the ball LB and just having him blitz is easy to spot and block if you know it's coming. To be on the field he has to be versatile in what he can do. So on passing downs, he would have to be able to drop in coverage and do so effectively.

[pitchblack_20]

How Arthur Brown can fit:

1. Play ST

2. Excel when given his chances

ding ding ding. If he just wraps up instead of going for big hits on ST he will be fine. And I do think he will take advantage of his opportunities when he gets on the field.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm starting to get the feeling you don't understand the definition of a blitz. Dumervil and Mcphee blitzed on occassion, but also lined up on the DL far more frequently.

Taking a stand-up, off the ball LB and just having him blitz is easy to spot and block if you know it's coming. To be on the field he has to be versatile in what he can do. So on passing downs, he would have to be able to drop in coverage and do so effectively.

i understand what a blitz is, i understand that rushing the passer and blitzing arent exactly the same, im using blitz as a short term for rush the passer because i dont feel like typing "rush the passer" everytime i want to refer to someone "rushing the passer", see how it gets old saying it over and over? but they are both(mcphee and dumervil) considered linebackers and both had the primary job of penetrating the backfield and generally were used for passing downs, a blitzing ILB has the same job, its done by different means, but it has the same goal and is by nature a very similar task; penetrate the front, create a loss of yardage or errant throw whether by a TFL or by disrupting the play. no need to split hairs here and insult someones knowledge of the game by arguing semantics. 

 

and back to my point.. as of now, we have dumervil and suggs as our pass rushers, so we had better pray to basedgod that jernigan can stay healthy and generate interior pressure consistently, because after that, we dont have much to offer in pass rush, neither dumervil or suggs have a ton of speedrushing ability as they are more about power and technique, respectively. so that leaves us with 2 options, hope that we can line up 4 and they can win consistently, or we design an exotic package to be used sparingly and on occasions where it fits(something that pees has done very well in the past), so if we are to field an exotic blitz package, do we sacrifice the excellent coverage of daryl smith for the occasional exotic blitz? doubt it, do we send cj mosley? we could, and he has been effective when given those opportunities, but he simply lacks the insane burst that brown has, making him less effective in an assignment that pretty much revolved around a players burst. we have always rotated players in the front seven, we have always sparingly and effectively used exotic blitz packages and stunt packages, why stop now? and why keep arthur brown off the field even though we field packages that suit him well? 

 

im not saying give the guy a full time gig, not by any means, i know he cant handle that, and im not saying that we need to bring back the rex ryan style of defense, im saying that on the occasions where we DO field an exotic package, then brown is a guy who could excel in that branch of the playbook. 

[gabefergy]

i understand what a blitz is, i understand that rushing the passer and blitzing arent exactly the same, im using blitz as a short term for rush the passer because i dont feel like typing "rush the passer" everytime i want to refer to someone "rushing the passer", see how it gets old saying it over and over? but they are both(mcphee and dumervil) considered linebackers and both had the primary job of penetrating the backfield and generally were used for passing downs, a blitzing ILB has the same job, its done by different means, but it has the same goal and is by nature a very similar task; penetrate the front, create a loss of yardage or errant throw whether by a TFL or by disrupting the play. no need to split hairs here and insult someones knowledge of the game by arguing semantics.

and back to my point.. as of now, we have dumervil and suggs as our pass rushers, so we had better pray to basedgod that jernigan can stay healthy and generate interior pressure consistently, because after that, we dont have much to offer in pass rush, neither dumervil or suggs have a ton of speedrushing ability as they are more about power and technique, respectively. so that leaves us with 2 options, hope that we can line up 4 and they can win consistently, or we design an exotic package to be used sparingly and on occasions where it fits(something that pees has done very well in the past), so if we are to field an exotic blitz package, do we sacrifice the excellent coverage of daryl smith for the occasional exotic blitz? doubt it, do we send cj mosley? we could, and he has been effective when given those opportunities, but he simply lacks the insane burst that brown has, making him less effective in an assignment that pretty much revolved around a players burst. we have always rotated players in the front seven, we have always sparingly and effectively used exotic blitz packages and stunt packages, why stop now? and why keep arthur brown off the field even though we field packages that suit him well?

im not saying give the guy a full time gig, not by any means, i know he cant handle that, and im not saying that we need to bring back the rex ryan style of defense, im saying that on the occasions where we DO field an exotic package, then brown is a guy who could excel in that branch of the playbook.

The role you are proposing for Brown is just not very feasible unless he can display the versatility to do more than be an extra pass rusher.

I like Brown a lot and I want him to succeed, but bringing him in strictly as an extra pass rusher doesn't work because it tips off the offense.

That doesn't mean he can't have a role, and the dollar or amoeba packages could be an opportunity. He has to do more than blitz though.

[FlackAttack]

I think Arthur Brown is much better than Orr in run defense, and Orr is far better in pass coverage. I do like what Brown can do as a blitzer. Brown has made real strides as a ST player as well. In the end I think we carry 5 ILBs as all 3 backups have shown reason to keep them. McClellan has probably flashed the least but I think his role is secure.

 

is this a serious post? i saw orr blow at least 3 or 4 coverages in the preseason..