2015 Cuts Tracker

[jazz1988]

You REALLY don't understand how NFL rosters work. Any team can instantly sign a player on our PS. If you aren't on Roster, IR or PUP we have little control over you. You want to put our 5th round pick on the PS for development but you don't realize that that would essentially be giving our 5th ruin pick away to any team like the Steelers. If you think PS is the best option to develop players why didn't we just put Jimmy or any other non-immediate impact player on the PS so the Bengals can sign them

 

Myers hasn't really shown alot in training camp or in preseason games to my understanding. If he was cut what team would really want him? It's a tough call to keep him  on the 53 man roster when  The Ravens have guys like Reid and Jensen whom have played better and are more versatile than him. Maybe The Ravens can trade Reid or Jensen  to keep Myers on the team but honestly it's not uncommon for a 5th round pick to get cut. In the draft  the most highest investments are the first, second and third round so it's only natural for coaches to have more patience for players that are their most highest investment.

 

A 5th rounder isn't real low like a sixth or seventh but it's impossible to compare a  fifth rounder to a first rounder.

[HoldingCall]

This is going to be a tough day for many players after a sleepless night. There may be the usually, one or two surprise releases  or disappointments but I trust the team's judgment.

[Ravensfan23]

He made very valid points, though.

There's an inherent risk to the PS...

We also have the option to elevate him to the 53 if someone attempts to sign him though. The big risk is waivers. You can work around PS.

I didn't laugh because what he said was a joke, well clearly the Jimmy Smith part had to be, i laugh because he fired off saying i don't know how this roster thing works and clearly he has some brushing up to do as well.

Again the whole point is this. Robert Myers is a good young developmental Guard right now. I think everyone would agree he's not a starter nor among our top 2 backups. The Ravens generally keep 9 olineman. That leaves Jensen, Myers and Reid fighting for 2 spots. However because of your injury concerns at RB, CB and DL you might be focused to us an extra roster spot on that position. If you decide to keep only 8 OL as a result, who gets the final spot?

Jensen can play every position on the OL, that's a valuable backup for 2015 and a even more valuable if you lose KO or Yanda next year. Much like Myers he was a developmental guy who has now developed into a quality backup. Do you just cut a guy you've already invested time into and he's actually developed for a developmental guy?

Myers has shown good potential and is about equal to what you saw out of Hurst last year. Of course Hurst made the team and Myers is good enough to at least make the team but if that 8th olineman was forced into game action would and both guys were available, would you pick Jensen or Myers right now?

Reid is a vet that reportedly had a good camp but i wasn't impressed with his preseason play. I'd personally take both Jensen and Myers over him, but the coaches will have to ask if they'd trust Myers in a game over Reid.

Maybe i'm just out of my mind and over thinking this whole best 53 thing, but is this not a realistic scenario?

[GrimCoconut]

I didn't laugh because what he said was a joke, well clearly the Jimmy Smith part had to be, i laugh because he fired off saying i don't know how this roster thing works and clearly he has some brushing up to do as well.

Again the whole point is this. Robert Myers is a good young developmental Guard right now. I think everyone would agree he's not a starter nor among our top 2 backups. The Ravens generally keep 9 olineman. That leaves Jensen, Myers and Reid fighting for 2 spots. However because of your injury concerns at RB, CB and DL you might be focused to us an extra roster spot on that position. If you decide to keep only 8 OL as a result, who gets the final spot?

Jensen can play every position on the OL, that's a valuable backup for 2015 and a even more valuable if you lose KO or Yanda next year. Much like Myers he was a developmental guy who has now developed into a quality backup. Do you just cut a guy you've already invested time into and he's actually developed for a developmental guy?

Myers has shown good potential and is about equal to what you saw out of Hurst last year. Of course Hurst made the team and Myers is good enough to at least make the team but if that 8th olineman was forced into game action would and both guys were available, would you pick Jensen or Myers right now?

Reid is a vet that reportedly had a good camp but i wasn't impressed with his preseason play. I'd personally take both Jensen and Myers over him, but the coaches will have to ask if they'd trust Myers in a game over Reid.

Maybe i'm just out of my mind and over thinking this whole best 53 thing, but is this not a realistic scenario?

Here's one area where I think I would caution you from just disregarding Myers because he's a late-round OL in need of development. Remember Jensen himself in 2013? We kept him around even though he did absolutely nothing. The team wanted to keep him around. I think everyone thought he would be cut but he didn't get cut. I certainly think Myers could be the same kind of player. 

Edited September 5, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[KBoum]

The way I see it, they might put Jensen on the PUP because of his concussion and it solves the problem. It 6 weeks, they'll probably have 1 injury somewhere so they can add Jensen and keep Myers as well.

[GrimCoconut]

The way I see it, they might put Jensen on the PUP because of his concussion and it solves the problem. It 6 weeks, they'll probably have 1 injury somewhere so they can add Jensen and keep Myers as well.

To be PUP eligible Jensen couldn't practice all training camp and certainly couldn't play in preseason. This simply isn't an option.

[KBoum]

To be PUP eligible Jensen couldn't practice all training camp and certainly couldn't play in preseason. This simply isn't an option.

 

oh well I didnt know that thanks. So its IR or nothing ? I don't see that option then. They'll keep Urban for IR return list so.. they might just cut Reid since Jensen can play Tackle too. Just like Osemele and Yanda and Hurst.

[Ravensfan23]

Here's one area where I think I would caution you from just disregarding Myers because he's a late-round OL in need of development. Remember Jensen himself in 2013? We kept him around even though he did absolutely nothing. The team wanted to keep him around. I think everyone thought he would be cut but he didn't get cut. I certainly think Myers could be the same kind of player.

I think most of you guys are missing the point, so that means I'm not doing a good enough job of making it. My point is this.

Right now as we speak and i'm sure all night yesterday coaches and decision makers for the Ravens had conversation back and forth about who the best 53 were. Harbs has said plenty times that 60-70 guys are good enough to make the team and i buy it.

So the question being asked to Castillo is if Myers is one of the best 8 or 9 olineman? My answer is yes. Then the question Ozzie will ask Harbs is, can you afford to keep 9 OL and if not who's #8. If Castillo says Jensen over Myer as #8, now the question becomes is Myer one of the best 53? So if by chance he isn't one of the top 53, what other young player who could probably help this year and future years do you cut in favor of him? Or what Vet do you cut?

When you have a surplus of young talent, everybody can't make the team. It'll be some tough decisions and i just acknowledged that Myers may be one of those tough decisions.

[Ravensfan23]

oh well I didnt know that thanks. So its IR or nothing ? I don't see that option then. They'll keep Urban for IR return list so.. they might just cut Reid since Jensen can play Tackle too. Just like Osemele and Yanda and Hurst.

That's where one of the big questions come in. Jensen is a kid they selected as a developmental player as well. He's now developed into a quality backup(preseason wise) who can play all 5 OL positions. Reid is a vet who's had his moments but hasn't taken that next step imo. I ultimately the Ravens keep 9 OL and Reid is the odd man out. So with 9 OL what other position full of young talent takes the hit?

[balfan23]

You REALLY don't understand how NFL rosters work. Any team can instantly sign a player on our PS. If you aren't on Roster, IR or PUP we have little control over you. You want to put our 5th round pick on the PS for development but you don't realize that that would essentially be giving our 5th ruin pick away to any team like the Steelers. If you think PS is the best option to develop players why didn't we just put Jimmy or any other non-immediate impact player on the PS so the Bengals can sign them?

Rather than trying to belittle someone, perhaps you can actually attempt to address the fundamental issue of trying to stash developmental players who cannot help the team on the 53-man roster. That is normally reserved for young players who represent a major investment for the future ... like, I don't know, maybe Jimmy? Comparing Jimmy to Myers? Please.

 

Stashing multiple players on the 53 man will cause you problems ... especially when you are trying to fill gaps made by injuries  ... and we have a few. T. Walker is another clear case if this. I think it could be argued that we may have one or two others.

 

For what it is worth, I agree with Eisenberg and think we bite the bullet and keep Myers. As he said "It is down to Myers, a project, or Reid, a veteran, for the last spot. The Ravens like Myers’ potential.". The way he puts it, Myers is still on the roster bubble, so questioning whether he makes isn't all that crazy. 

 

In the end, if we keep him, the casualty may be (as the previous post stated) KLM. That is going to be difficult, given the loss of Urban and the fact that we have precious few DEs. 

 

Perhaps you could do a better job of offering alternatives, rather than being so darn condescending .... Thanks. 

[Tank 92]

Might as well call it "best 52" at this point as a spot will need to be open for whomever they pick up as a KR.

[rmw10]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl  1m1 minute ago

#Ravens are in process of trading UDFA C Nick Easton to #49ers, source said

[Clmraven]

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl  1m1 minute ago

#Ravens are in process of trading UDFA C Nick Easton to #49ers, source said

Wow talk about getting value out of a UDFA, he looked pretty good though and there wasnt really any room on our roster for him

[rmw10]

Wow talk about getting value out of a UDFA, he looked pretty good though and there wasnt really any room on our roster for him

 

Yep.  One of the few that probably wouldn't actually clear waivers with how well he's done, so it's nice to get something out of him.  As you said, it was just hard to find room even though he did well.

[Ravensfan23]

Yep.  One of the few that probably wouldn't actually clear waivers with how well he's done, so it's nice to get something out of him.  As you said, it was just hard to find room even though he did well.

Yeah that's surprising consider he's a UDFA but considering his play. The young talent on this team is really good and potentially special. Leave it up to Ozzie to get value, probably a draft pick out of a undrafted guy.

[VeiledPsychosis]

 

Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl  1m1 minute ago

#Ravens are in process of trading UDFA C Nick Easton to #49ers, source said

 

that's unfortunate (for us anyway), I really wanted him to make the roster. Been super impressed by him this preseason. Wonder what we'll get for him

[Moderator 3]

Might as well call it "best 52" at this point as a spot will need to be open for whomever they pick up as a KR.

Or "best 53 today" as we know from the past that there will be multiple roster changes through the first 3 weeks.

[Moderator 3]

@jeffzrebiecsun: Easton trade to 49ers is official per source. Waiting to hear what was return, whether it's conditional draft pick or a player.

[balfan23]

Might as well call it "best 52" at this point as a spot will need to be open for whomever they pick up as a KR.

That 53rd will be Urban. Since we expect to be moving him to the IR DTR, we have to have him on the initial 53 man. Then we'll put him there and make a move ... just not sure what that move will be.

[balfan23]

Or "best 53 today" as we know from the past that there will be multiple roster changes through the first 3 weeks.

Really. Kevin Byrne writes of the "dreams ending today and tomorrow"... I have to think the most painful are those who make that initial 53 man, only to have the carpet pulled out from under them when they get released shortly thereafter. What an emotional roller coaster. 

[rmw10]

Really. Kevin Byrne writes of the "dreams ending today and tomorrow"... I have to think the most painful are those who make that initial 53 man, only to have the carpet pulled out from under them when they get released shortly thereafter. What an emotional roller coaster.

I remember Prince Miller from a few years ago. Made the roster and was cut a day later. At least he was lucky enough to make it into some games elsewhere. A lot of guys don't get that opportunity.

[balfan23]

that's unfortunate (for us anyway), I really wanted him to make the roster. Been super impressed by him this preseason. Wonder what we'll get for him

I don't see anywhere yet where the terms have been released. I'd have to think it will be a conditional late-round pick for next year. Not sure who the 49rs have that we'd want to put on our roster right now. It just feels like we're getting what we can from a player who would otherwise have been released. 

[balfan23]

Not that it has any bearing on us, but the Tebow experiment in PHI appears to be over. 

[Clmraven]

Word is Terrence west is on the Browns roster bubble if they cut him I'd hope the Ravens would hop on him quick

[redlobster]

Hopefully Easton brings us a PR/CB in return

[GrimCoconut]

Trading Easton sucks. I really like that kid.

[baltimorefan328]

I don't see anywhere yet where the terms have been released. I'd have to think it will be a conditional late-round pick for next year. Not sure who the 49rs have that we'd want to put on our roster right now. It just feels like we're getting what we can from a player who would otherwise have been released. 

maybe we'll get back Anquan Boldin...

[Purple Punishment]

Bengals cut Devon Still

[rmw10]

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  49s49 seconds ago

Harbaugh says that the Ravens got a conditional draft pick for Nick Easton.

[redlobster]

maybe we'll get back Anquan Boldin...

or Torrey , or that rugby player that has had quality punt returns