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[K-Dog]

I dont envy Ozzie and John this time of year.

Not only due to the amazingly difficult decisions they need to make, but they need to crust the dreams of so many.

 

I watched people play their butts off leaving their hearts and souls out on that field.  Every one here has dreams.  We all know what its like to want something more than anything else in the world.  I cant imagine having that dream be right there at your fingertips, but  for one reason or the other, you just cant see it through.  I also cant imagine being the one to have to tell these guys after they have busted their humps working so hard for so long.

 

Football is an amazingly tough sport.  I dont know the percentage, but it really cant be very high, those that can actually " make it" ( what ever that really means ) in the NFL.

I tip my hat to those who worked hard and went down fighting.  I hope and pray you find contentment somewhere down the  road.

[Ravensfan23]

Myers will not be cut. When Ozzie Newsome spends a 5th round draft pick on you, you are a commodity to NFL teams in some way shape or form, developmental or not. He won't make it to the PS, that's a free 5th round pick at a valuable position on waivers, it won't happen. 

 

You don't pick a developmental player in the 5th round and then say "Hey this guy can't contribute right away" and subject him to waivers unless he's a total train wreck which isn't the case. Ozzie and company knew what they were getting into when they drafted him. It only makes sense when it's a guy like Wenning who plays a position that teams aren't looking to waivers for in terms of their 53 man roster. Teams can keep a lot of OL, Meyers is absolutely worth a spot on someone else's 53 even if he's developmental, heck he's worth a spot on OUR 53 man roster. Doesn't make any sense. If anyone was going that route it was Waller but he's shown too much at this point to risk sneaking him on. 

 

None of the draft picks will be cut, I feel 100% confident in that. That typically only happens with late round QB's to get them on PS or 6th/7th round picks like Marc Anthony who just blatantly under performed. Not guys like Myers who Trestman said he saw as a future starter, not happening.

What do you think the PS is for? Developing players!!! I'm not saying cut ties with Myers completely but if you don't think he's one of the best 53 players for the 2015 Ravens and the numbers suggest that the final roster spot comes down to a developmental player who'll probably be ready in 2016 or a rotational player who can help you this year what do you do?

Let's say the 53rd spot comes down to Myers vs KLM. Myers will probably be inactive for all 16 games, isn't quite ready yet but was a 5th round pick who needs to get stronger and should be ready in 2016. KLM on the other hand will probably be active most if not all games. Can provide decent run stopping and pocket pushing ability as a rotational guy on the dline which helps the team this year.

Who gets the roster spot in your opinion? These are questions and scenarios that i think are being asked about right now with Ozzie, Steve and the coaches.

[FlackAttack]

cut zach orr, dude is atrocious on the field

[Cville-Raven]

Moore apparently traded to Colts:

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 1m1 minute ago

Colts trade for Raiders linebacker Sio Moore, team announces

That makes a lot more sense now Edited September 5, 2015 by Cville-Raven

[Ravensfan23]

Thanks for your response. Hopefully, he'll be OK soon. Yeah, I just have no info on his progress physically or whether progress is occurring or at a standstill. I agree, if he can't jog after being out for about five weeks there's a reason for concern. The MRI info is encouraging.

Yeah it sucks being in the information age and not be able to get information. As fans all we can do is just sit back and wait. Hopefully the weapons that Joe has is enough and Perriman just takes the offense to another level.

[Mount-Cody]

cut zach orr, dude is atrocious on the field

Ummm......OK

[sflegend89]

What do you think the PS is for? Developing players!!! I'm not saying cut ties with Myers completely but if you don't think he's one of the best 53 players for the 2015 Ravens and the numbers suggest that the final roster spot comes down to a developmental player who'll probably be ready in 2016 or a rotational player who can help you this year what do you do?

Let's say the 53rd spot comes down to Myers vs KLM. Myers will probably be inactive for all 16 games, isn't quite ready yet but was a 5th round pick who needs to get stronger and should be ready in 2016. KLM on the other hand will probably be active most if not all games. Can provide decent run stopping and pocket pushing ability as a rotational guy on the dline which helps the team this year.

Who gets the roster spot in your opinion? These are questions and scenarios that i think are being asked about right now with Ozzie, Steve and the coaches.

 

You don't develop 5th round picks on the PS, I really have no idea why you think that is a thing that happens in the NFL. In concept the PS is about developing players and retaining their rights but the crucial thing you aren't acknowledging is they have to clear waivers to make it on the PS. What 5th round pick is going to clear waivers the same year they were drafted? A Quarterback maybe, outside of that those are players that are coveted by other NFL teams, hence why they were drafted in the 5th round just months earlier. 

 

Name a single 5th round pick in the franchise's history who has ever been put on the PS the year they were drafted. I will bump this post tomorrow when Myers makes the team lol.

[rmw10]

You don't develop 5th round picks on the PS, I really have no idea why you think that is a thing that happens in the NFL. In concept the PS is about developing players and retaining their rights but the crucial thing you aren't acknowledging is they have to clear waivers to make it on the PS. What 5th round pick is going to clear waivers the same year they were drafted? A Quarterback maybe, outside of that those are players that are coveted by other NFL teams, hence why they were drafted in the 5th round just months earlier. 

 

Name a single 5th round pick in the franchise's history who has ever been put on the PS the year they were drafted. I will bump this post tomorrow when Myers makes the team lol.

 

It happens more often than you might think.  Just last year, Ricardo Allen, Shaq Richardson, Ed Reynolds, and Jimmy Staten were 5th round picks that didn't make the original roster.  That's without researching any other guys that might not have made it - just off the top of my head after going through the list.

[Edgar]

Imoan Claiborne released by Rams. The Ravens reportedly liked this corner.

[rmw10]

Imoan Claiborne released by Rams. The Ravens reportedly liked this corner.

 

Dude popped Dez Bryant in the face.

[sflegend89]

It happens more often than you might think.  Just last year, Ricardo Allen, Shaq Richardson, Ed Reynolds, and Jimmy Staten were 5th round picks that didn't make the original roster.  That's without researching any other guys that might not have made it - just off the top of my head after going through the list.

 

Those are db's it's a different scenario than an OL. Reason why, db depth is expected to play and contribute, that's the nature of the position. OL is a firm 5 man unit outside of GL formations, there are backups that you hope never have to play that season. We have some guys like Hurst and Urschel that have shown they can play if need be. That frees up room for a guy like Myers on the roster. 

 

Staten was DL and the Seahawks ended up losing him off waivers later in the season so he's not a good example. That's what happens to teams like the Seahawks and Ravens, we are at the top of the list to get our PS poached so we have to be extremely carefully with putting players there that we don't want to lose. Which is probably a big reason why Ozzie doesn't put draft picks that we see being long term players for us on the PS. We heard how high Trestman is on Myers, that really doesn't seem like a guy we are going to risk losing. If anyone was waived for the PS it would be Tray Walker because he's a db. Even then we have to consider that we know a team was going to pick him not long after we did, we also lost Seamster off the PS even though he was a raw corner. I feel very confident saying Myers makes the team.

Edited September 5, 2015 by sflegend89

[rmw10]

Those are db's it's a different scenario than an OL. Reason why, db depth is expected to play and contribute, that's the nature of the position. OL is a firm 5 man unit outside of GL formations, there are backups that you hope never have to play that season. We have some guys like Hurst and Urschel that have shown they can play if need be. That frees up room for a guy like Myers on the roster. 

 

Staten was DL and the Seahawks ended up losing him off waivers later in the season so he's not a good example. That's what happens to teams like the Seahawks and Ravens, we are at the top of the list to get our PS poached so we have to be extremely carefully with putting players there that we don't want to lose. Which is probably a big reason why Ozzie doesn't put draft picks that we see being long term players for us on the PS. We heard how high Trestman is on Myers, that really doesn't seem like a guy we are going to risk losing. If anyone was waived for the PS it would be Tray Walker because he's a db. Even then we have to consider that we know a team was going to pick him not long after we did, we also lost Seamster off the PS even though he was a raw corner. I feel very confident saying Myers makes the team.

 

I don't disagree on the notion that Myers will either make the team or get the IR stash, but it just illustrates the point that you can't discount the possibility of him being cut and clearing waivers.  It happens pretty much every year, and if I put in the research, I'd bet there's an OL in the past few years that had been through it.  It happens.  Being a 5th round pick doesn't guarantee that he's safe.

[Ravensfan23]

You don't develop 5th round picks on the PS, I really have no idea why you think that is a thing that happens in the NFL. In concept the PS is about developing players and retaining their rights but the crucial thing you aren't acknowledging is they have to clear waivers to make it on the PS. What 5th round pick is going to clear waivers the same year they were drafted? A Quarterback maybe, outside of that those are players that are coveted by other NFL teams, hence why they were drafted in the 5th round just months earlier. 

 

Name a single 5th round pick in the franchise's history who has ever been put on the PS the year they were drafted. I will bump this post tomorrow when Myers makes the team lol.

Bump the post for what acknowledging that a 5th round comp pick might be stashed on the PS. Ok have at it.

Oh and just to help you understand how i could possibly think a developmental 5th round pick could be placed on the PS in the same year they were drafte, lets just look around the NFL.

The following players were cut the same year(2014) they were drafted in the 5th round and signed to the same team's PS.

Richardo Allen ATL

Ed Reynolds PHI

Jimmy Staten SEA

That doesn't account for the 6th and 7th round guys. Just for good measure Jon Halapio was drafted by the New England Pats in the 6th round last year at pick 179, thats only 3 spots after Myers. He was cut amd went unclaimed until December as a PS guy for the Broncos. So no not all "draft picks" are coveted by other teams. No it hasn't happened in Ravens history, but that doesn't mean it won't.

But i noticed you didn't answer my initial question. If it comes down to Myers vs KLM who are you picking?

[52520Andrew]

We will find out what happens tomorrow, my guess is he stays and we keep 9 OL

[Ravensfan23]

It happens more often than you might think.  Just last year, Ricardo Allen, Shaq Richardson, Ed Reynolds, and Jimmy Staten were 5th round picks that didn't make the original roster.  That's without researching any other guys that might not have made it - just off the top of my head after going through the list.

Probably should have looked back a couple of post before i replied. Just repeated what you said lol.

I don't disagree on the notion that Myers will either make the team or get the IR stash, but it just illustrates the point that you can't discount the possibility of him being cut and clearing waivers.  It happens pretty much every year, and if I put in the research, I'd bet there's an OL in the past few years that had been through it.  It happens.  Being a 5th round pick doesn't guarantee that he's safe.

No knock to anyone or their knowledge of the game but i don't think most of us have a clue of the conversation that are had to determine the 53 every year. When Harbs says there are guys who can start in this league or guys who are good enough to make this team that'll be cut, i believe him. 50-53 will be tough imo and 54-60 could at least be role players on other teams.

You just look at some guys on the bubble like Bilukidi, KLM, Tyson, Asa, Trawick, McCellean, Butler and Vaughn i can easily see teams signing those guys as backups and/or ST guys. I need someone to bug the conference room at the Castle so i can hear some of these discussions.

[allblackraven]

Probably should have looked back a couple of post before i replied. Just repeated what you said lol.

No knock to anyone or their knowledge of the game but i don't think most of us have a clue of the conversation that are had to determine the 53 every year. When Harbs says there are guys who can start in this league or guys who are good enough to make this team that'll be cut, i believe him. 50-53 will be tough imo and 54-60 could at least be role players on other teams.

You just look at some guys on the bubble like Bilukidi, KLM, Tyson, Asa, Trawick, McCellean, Butler and Vaughn i can easily see teams signing those guys as backups and/or ST guys. I need someone to bug the conference room at the Castle so i can hear some of these discussions.

 

Call 617 555 5 666. Ask for Bill.

[DomMcRaven]

Dude popped Dez Bryant in the face.

Oh...so that was the dude who did it? Wow. Regardless, that was a weird fight...

[Ravensfan23]

Call 617 555 5 666. Ask for Bill.

I would ask for a last name but I'm sure a request like this requires anonymity.

[Maryland]

I think you can look at our history of roster cuts and see pretty easily that outright cutting a rookie draft pick is pretty rare. If they don't make the roster, they're put on IR (Streeter, Mellette). Marc Anthony was one of the last picks in the draft, and still everyone was a little surprised to see him cut just because it goes against the trend. 

 

As a 5th round pick, Myers absolutely will not be cut because he will not go through waivers. Only a pick with a tremendously bad camp/preseason would even be considered. Myers has too much developmental upside and the coaches seem to like him. He is just coming from a small school, Tennessee State, so I'm sure they knew he would come along slowly.

 

Plus His lower body strength is crazy--have you seen his legs?

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/The-Caw-The-Ravens-Drafted-Quadzilla/952626d7-93b5-4451-94d9-d12f50595bc0

[allblackraven]

I would ask for a last name but I'm sure a request like this requires anonymity.

Nah, Bill has everything under control.

 

Area code Boston. Last initial is also B.

[BmoreBird22]

Nah, Bill has everything under control.

 

Area code Boston. Last initial is also B.

I see what you did there

[Ravensfan23]

Nah, Bill has everything under control.

 

Area code Boston. Last initial is also B.

I guess at this point he and his organization is so protected that anonymity isn't needed.

[Cillmatic]

What do you think the PS is for? Developing players!!! I'm not saying cut ties with Myers completely but if you don't think he's one of the best 53 players for the 2015 Ravens and the numbers suggest that the final roster spot comes down to a developmental player who'll probably be ready in 2016 or a rotational player who can help you this year what do you do?

Let's say the 53rd spot comes down to Myers vs KLM. Myers will probably be inactive for all 16 games, isn't quite ready yet but was a 5th round pick who needs to get stronger and should be ready in 2016. KLM on the other hand will probably be active most if not all games. Can provide decent run stopping and pocket pushing ability as a rotational guy on the dline which helps the team this year.

Who gets the roster spot in your opinion? These are questions and scenarios that i think are being asked about right now with Ozzie, Steve and the coaches.

You REALLY don't understand how NFL rosters work. Any team can instantly sign a player on our PS. If you aren't on Roster, IR or PUP we have little control over you. You want to put our 5th round pick on the PS for development but you don't realize that that would essentially be giving our 5th ruin pick away to any team like the Steelers. If you think PS is the best option to develop players why didn't we just put Jimmy or any other non-immediate impact player on the PS so the Bengals can sign them? Edited September 5, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Puntit]

Dude popped Dez Bryant in the face.

Now I like him even better. SSS can teach him how to use that aggressiveness on the field.

[Puntit]

Is it just me or is this the first year that it won't be that upsetting if NONE of the bubble players make it. There aren't that many fan favorites at the bottoms of the depth chart for a change. Most of the people with big question marks legitimately underperformed this preseason. Players like Asa Jackson, KLM, Arthur Brown, Jah Reid, Fitz Toussant, haven't wowed us enough that many of us would be heartbroken if Ozzie swapped in other teams better discards for them. Seems like every year there's a preseason phenom that everyone on this board is upset won't make it to the practice squad (a Bobby Rainey, Aaron Mellette, Matt Furstenberg, etc) but not this year. I think this might be one of the few years where a fair amount of churning at the bottom makes sense.

[1/28/01]

Dude popped Dez Bryant in the face.

Sign him just to personally congratulate him.

[Ravensfan23]

You REALLY don't understand how NFL rosters work. Any team can instantly sign a player on our PS. If you aren't on Roster, IR or PUP we have little control over you. You want to put our 5th round pick on the PS for development but you don't realize that that would essentially be giving our 5th ruin pick away to any team like the Steelers. If you think PS is the best option to develop players why didn't we just put Jimmy or any other non-immediate impact player on the PS so the Bengals can sign them?

Nothing better then a good laugh to start your day. Thanks.

[rmcjacket23]

Nothing better then a good laugh to start your day. Thanks.

He made very valid points, though.

 

There's an inherent risk to the PS...

[rmw10]

He made very valid points, though.

There's an inherent risk to the PS...

We also have the option to elevate him to the 53 if someone attempts to sign him though. The big risk is waivers. You can work around PS.

[Sami84]

Is it just me or is this the first year that it won't be that upsetting if NONE of the bubble players make it. There aren't that many fan favorites at the bottoms of the depth chart for a change. Most of the people with big question marks legitimately underperformed this preseason. Players like Asa Jackson, KLM, Arthur Brown, Jah Reid, Fitz Toussant, haven't wowed us enough that many of us would be heartbroken if Ozzie swapped in other teams better discards for them. Seems like every year there's a preseason phenom that everyone on this board is upset won't make it to the practice squad (a Bobby Rainey, Aaron Mellette, Matt Furstenberg, etc) but not this year. I think this might be one of the few years where a fair amount of churning at the bottom makes sense.

 

quite like the center from harvard, nick easton. He's a keeper.