Harbs Going Off

[gooftroop]

totally agree, those questions were stupid. they were asked like it was a regular season game, completely left out positive things like steves hot start, starting offense and defense, etc. harbs had every right to answer the way he did, and im glad he did.

I disagree. Own it instead of shooting the messenger. Not a big deal, but kind of bush, I thought.

[gooftroop]

I can feel Stan White (who used to do those interviews) cringing every time we end a half on a sour note.  I get it, he's emotional, it's an emotional game, but frankly he acts like a petulant child at times.  I know one other coach who acts like that...in New England.  Sometimes you need to be the example and provide a calm, mature presence.

Yup. I mean, sideline reporting isn't exactly meant to be the Watergate hearings, but it's not Harris' job to stroke John Harbaugh, either

Edited August 30, 2015 by gooftroop

[FlackAttack]

I disagree. Own it instead of shooting the messenger. Not a big deal, but kind of bush, I thought.

the only bush league going on was the reporter bringing up only negatives about 2nd and 3rd string play during a preseason game. you could tell the reporter felt ashamed afterwards because harbaugh called him out for good reason. harbaugh didnt even seem bent out of shape, answered the questions in a calm manner and called him out for asking bad questions. harbaugh was 100% accurate.

[redlobster]

Absolutely, I am a parent, and a (young) Grandparent... I had no problem getting in my kids faces... I didn't always keep my cool... and when I had to take up for them, and go to battle for them??? I did that too, and correct, it wasn't always pretty, but my point was made. My kids know, that you stand up for what you believe in, and you always stand on your principles.

Two of those seasons we were middle of the pack. No problem with that at all...

One season 24th??? So what's the point?

Seems like it is pretty close to making my point...

Did you check the years prior to Harbaugh?

The point is whatever he is doing, whether it's his personality or lack of control, he doesn't reduce penalties, yet every year he claims they will solve the issue.

And my children know to stand up for what they believe in but they also know some battles are so insignificant they don't need to be fought.

Edited August 30, 2015 by redlobster

[redlobster]

So, since you are a parent, I assume you have a job that's paying you money. No, it isn't the millions that these guys are making (I'd guess), but you're telling me that you don't have additional motivation at your workplace? There's nothing that makes you feel like you want to work a little harder and get a little more done?

Your couch going out there and defending you all is going to really resonate. You're going to want to then go and play well enough to show that you're couch had a reason to go out there for you. You're not going to just sit by and go, "Oh, cool, my couch just stood up for us. That's nice." That'll get you real fired up.

And no, I do not think it was solely for motivation. I think Harbaugh was astonished not to see a flag on such a dangerous tackle that was given a second effort to be made. I think Harbaugh was just simply trying to protect his players in the fight so that none of them got hurt like how Aiken could have been. I think he truly just cared about his players. The motivation was just a secondary reason.

I am a parent and work and my motivation is all internal, I work hard because that's what I've always known and same as my parents etc.

My boss has 0 to do with how motivated I am to do my job and that should never come into play.

[BmoreBird22]

I am a parent and work and my motivation is all internal, I work hard because that's what I've always known and same as my parents etc.

My boss has 0 to do with how motivated I am to do my job and that should never come into play.

I'm not saying that you need your boss to light a fire under you each day (although, I'm guessing there are days you don't want to work). I'm saying that there are things that can make you work even harder. Like, let's say you go into work and you're going 100%, but then your boss tells you how great you're doing and how he's really proud of the work you're doing. Chances are, you're going to start working at 110% or what ever. You're going to give a little bit more. And that's what that was for the players. 

[MTRavensFan]

I am a parent and work and my motivation is all internal, I work hard because that's what I've always known and same as my parents etc.

My boss has 0 to do with how motivated I am to do my job and that should never come into play.

You do have a point, but I'm willing to come in and pull overtime when it's busy for a boss who has my back, and I won't for the boss who tends to hide in the office when I'm drowning. Doesn't mean I'm not self-motivated when I'm there, just willing to make the extra effort for a boss who does the same for me.

[salamander]

Absolutely, I am a parent, and a (young) Grandparent... I had no problem getting in my kids faces... I didn't always keep my cool...  and when I had to take up for them, and go to battle for them???  I did that too, and correct, it wasn't always pretty, but my point was made.  My kids know, that you stand up for what you believe in, and you always stand on your principles.

 

Two of those seasons we were middle of the pack.  No problem with that at all...

One season 24th???  So what's the point? 

Seems like it is pretty close to making  my point... 

 

Did you check the years prior to Harbaugh?

How right you are. It's called being a responsible parent, a job which is never easy or clear cut. There are times that I stepped over the line and allowed my frustration get the best of me and I have lost my temper with my kids on multiple occasions.  But, in those instances, I can guarantee you that 1 of my children had done something worthy of me getting on their case big time. I love my kids and they love me. End of story. Like Harbs, if I get truly ticked off and show it, that doesn't make me a bad parent. Nor does running on the field to retrieve his players and yelling in response to Gruden make Harbs a bad coach. In fact, quite the opposite can be true.  Also, if I needed to defend or protect my kids (or for Harbs, his players) against danger or unfairness, I would do so without hesitation. Harbs running on to the field was the lesser of 2 evils since he was forbidden by rule to do so. However, the alternative could have resulted in further risk or harm to his players so he made the correct choice. I support Harbs 100% on this 1. Just wish I had an audio of the tongue lashing he gave Gruden. LOL

Edited August 31, 2015 by salamander

[pep_meister]

Harbaugh needs to act more like a mature adult, these tirades and screaming look childish and not indicative of a rational adult. I was embarrassed for him, when he was screaming at Gruden, regardless if it was right or wrong. I'm guessing he see's a fine for his actions.

           

[JustinB]

I was to busy laughing to think about it being rude or disrespectful so maybe I'm just a rear, IDK

[The Mom Gene]

           

A passionate parent/coach does not make  bad parent/coach...I can honestly say that all 3 of my kids are grown responsible adults, all successful and happy...  and never got into trouble..  To me??? that's what I am proud of.  That's what is important...  There's that,  and it's preseason...

[Runnin Raven]

A passionate parent/coach does not make  bad parent/coach...I can honestly say that all 3 of my kids are grown responsible adults, all successful and happy...  and never got into trouble..  To me??? that's what I am proud of.  That's what is important...  There's that,  and it's preseason...

Congratulations.  Two great kids here.  And Harbaugh was inappropriate to a Ravens employee.  John is probably 10 rungs above Brent Harris on the organization chart, it was classless and inappropriate for him to treat a reporter asking, yes, football related questions, so poorly.  He sure as heck owes him an apology.

 

"It was unpleasant to watch such a crude display of ego and power. And I bet Harbaugh gets away with it -- with no reprimand from the Ravens. Talk about role models"

 

-David Zurawik, Baltimore Sun

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-john-harbaugh-jerk-brent-harris-interview-20150830-story.html

Edited August 31, 2015 by Runnin Raven

[ellicottraven]

I can only suspect that Jay Gruden said something nasty to Harbs to the effect of telling him to control his players to which I think John went off! I can't think of anything else that would incite him that way. Jay Gruden is a weasel. He looked scared when John went on the offensive!

[Runnin Raven]

I can only suspect that Jay Gruden said something nasty to Harbs to the effect of telling him to control his players to which I think John went off! I can't think of anything else that would incite him that way. Jay Gruden is a weasel. He looked scared when John went on the offensive!

That I could agree with.  Not having any previous knowledge of Gruden, he seemed like a guy with no control of his team.  The Aiken "tackle" was so over the top dirty he should have pulled that player on the spot.

[beanfigger]

I can only suspect that Jay Gruden said something nasty to Harbs to the effect of telling him to control his players to which I think John went off! I can't think of anything else that would incite him that way. Jay Gruden is a weasel. He looked scared when John went on the offensive!

I think it was more Gruden whining about John being out that far and wanting the refs to make him go back, and Harbs told him (politely, I'm sure) to mind his business.

[BmoreBird22]

Congratulations.  Two great kids here.  And Harbaugh was inappropriate to a Ravens employee.  John is probably 10 rungs above Brent Harris on the organization chart, it was classless and inappropriate for him to treat a reporter asking, yes, football related questions, so poorly.  He sure as heck owes him an apology.

 

"It was unpleasant to watch such a crude display of ego and power. And I bet Harbaugh gets away with it -- with no reprimand from the Ravens. Talk about role models"

 

-David Zurawik, Baltimore Sun

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-john-harbaugh-jerk-brent-harris-interview-20150830-story.html

They were terrible questions.

The fight question, I do understand, but was he really expecting an answer? Why would Harbs even entertain answering that?

The other two questions were just flat out dumb. What is Harbs supposed to say about allowing touchdowns or having fumbles forced? The better questions would be, "How does that fumble affect Allen's spot on the depth chart," or, "Do the touchdowns give you cause for concern for your corner depth?"

I mean, those were just awful questions

[Guest]

 

Congratulations.  Two great kids here.  And Harbaugh was inappropriate to a Ravens employee.  John is probably 10 rungs above Brent Harris on the organization chart, it was classless and inappropriate for him to treat a reporter asking, yes, football related questions, so poorly.  He sure as heck owes him an apology.

 

"It was unpleasant to watch such a crude display of ego and power. And I bet Harbaugh gets away with it -- with no reprimand from the Ravens. Talk about role models"

 

-David Zurawik, Baltimore Sun

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-john-harbaugh-jerk-brent-harris-interview-20150830-story.html

 

 

Coming off a brutal uncalled penalty, his only viable receiver being ejected and a TD being called back...I thought Harbaugh was more than polite.

 

Mr. Reporter needs to consider the conditions and ask questions with more sensitivity. That reporter may need remedial journalistic training or perhaps reassigned.

 

Small potatoes

Edited August 31, 2015 by Danny D

[jaege]

Ignorant questions deserve ignorant answers, and reporters ask the most ignorant questions I could possibly think of. Come on, like a coach is going to tell a reporter and the general public what he plans to do with a player due to his successes or failures? Just stupid. Is there a regular class that reporters go to, so they can learn the most ridiculous questions to ask?

[redlobster]

Ignorant questions deserve ignorant answers, and reporters ask the most ignorant questions I could possibly think of. Come on, like a coach is going to tell a reporter and the general public what he plans to do with a player due to his successes or failures? Just stupid. Is there a regular class that reporters go to, so they can learn the most ridiculous questions to ask?

When somebody asks ignorant things you respond with ignorant things? I could see myself doing that when I was 15 but not now at 30, or in harhaughs case over 50.

I have no respect for people that act like that, all ego and arrogance. Does harbaugh care that I don't respect him? No but that's where I stand

Edited August 31, 2015 by redlobster

[BmoreBird22]

I don't think those were ignorant answers (especially because ignorant isn't even being used correctly here). Harbaugh got asked how he felt about the fumble. What is he supposed to say? That he likes them? That he's really happy Buck fumbled? And then he got asked about allowing touchdowns. Is he supposed to express happiness?

[codizzle]

Those questions were pathetic.. I gave 3-4 during halftime off the top of my head that were better and there's probably at least 20 that would've been better

Harrbaugh went over the top a little sure but this e questions we're awful

Someone on Twitter referenced an article Harris had wrote after Eagles as a possible reason harrbaugh partially reacted that way as well

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Harbaugh went on the field to try and calm the situation and to help get his players away from altercations.

If that's not allowed, whatever, he put his own neck on the line to try and diffuse a situation. Yea you want to lead by example and not break rules but some rules are dumb. And I'm sure Harbaugh addressing Gruden was the result of Gruden saying something out of line and Harbs got angry because Gruden wasn't doing anything to get his players under control.

These are all competitive men. One of his players got pile driven into the ground which could've snapped his neck and ended his career or worse paralyzed him. After all the flags we've seen in the preseason for that play not to receive a flag was unfathomable and I can understand a coaches frustration boiling over at that point.

If Harbs was out of line, which I don't think he really was, I'm not going to hold a moment of slight character weakness against him considering the circumstances.

Since all the parent talk is being brought up - if you saw one of your children get pile driven into the ground like that where his/her neck could've snapped and that child's parent did nothing to reprimand them and in fact yelled at you for intervening in the situation - are you telling me you wouldn't react??

I know we want our sports figured to be perfect but they are humans, emotions flaws and all. As far as Harbaugh goes, he's been pretty darn close to a model citizen and human being since taking over the job. Giving him a hard time bc of this is a little nit picky if you ask me.

[BmoreBird22]

You know, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Gruden was telling Harbaugh to get off the field and go to the sidelines and he said something like, "I wouldn't have to be out here if you could just control your dirty players."

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Congratulations. Two great kids here. And Harbaugh was inappropriate to a Ravens employee. John is probably 10 rungs above Brent Harris on the organization chart, it was classless and inappropriate for him to treat a reporter asking, yes, football related questions, so poorly. He sure as heck owes him an apology.

"It was unpleasant to watch such a crude display of ego and power. And I bet Harbaugh gets away with it -- with no reprimand from the Ravens. Talk about role models"

-David Zurawik, Baltimore Sun

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-john-harbaugh-jerk-brent-harris-interview-20150830-story.html

They were terrible questions.

If you don't have respect for yourself and your job, or in this specific case with this job, enough respect for the subject of your interview to ask thought provoking, poignant questions that represent what the fans want to know (bc ultimately we the fan are who reporters are supposed to represent) then why is the interviewee supposed to grant respect to the interviewer?

This is why I think interviewing someone seconds after game action is stupid to begin with. And if someone who is emotional and upset is respectful enough to still grant you their time even though it's probably the last thing he wanted to do, and you use that time to ask questions it sounds like you scribbled on a napkin 5 seconds beforehand, expect that type of response.

I understand they're usually meaningless questions at half time, but it was disrespectful to the profession, the situation, Harbs and us as fans to ask such pointless, stupid and irrelevant questions that even a 5 yr old watching the game could have easily told him how Harbaugh or any coach would answer.

Imo it's a non issue. Blasting Harbaugh for not putting care or effort into answering questions that showed lack of journalistic care of effort seems off base to me.

[Maryland]

I guess he should've only asked him about SS's touchdown catch and run.

I don't mind some negative questions, but you have to mix in something positive. Like

 

"What made that kick return so successful"

 

"What do you think about so-and-so's performance" 

 

"What plays stood out to you"

 

Something like that to keep him from getting pissed off. You don't just go into the Safari Zone throwing rocks.

[Runnin Raven]

Well we probably beat this horse to death (where is that icon, lol).  It's over, I expect the next game for it to be better.  I'm a big fan of Harbaugh and frankly the guy deserved Coach of The Year a few times, so maybe that's why I'm so disappointed.  Obviously John could give a rip what I think but felt the need to say it here.  I am a huge fan of this team and if I'm being critical it is through that lens I am looking.  Appreciate the back and forth, points made on both sides. 

[The Mom Gene]

 

Congratulations.  Two great kids here.  And Harbaugh was inappropriate to a Ravens employee.  John is probably 10 rungs above Brent Harris on the organization chart, it was classless and inappropriate for him to treat a reporter asking, yes, football related questions, so poorly.  He sure as heck owes him an apology.

 

"It was unpleasant to watch such a crude display of ego and power. And I bet Harbaugh gets away with it -- with no reprimand from the Ravens. Talk about role models"

 

-David Zurawik, Baltimore Sun

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-john-harbaugh-jerk-brent-harris-interview-20150830-story.html

 

And, yeah, that's our local media... Zurawik is taking lessons from Preston... I like our coach....  It was preseason....  and yeah, what Danny D said......

[K-Dog]

Fact of the matter is anyone who knows Harbs even a tiny bit knows he is not going to talk about the fight or the ejection any way. You knew he was going to be grumpy so why bother asking that question?

You know he is not in favor of squandered points. You know he doesn't like it when his team fumbles.

These questions are obvious and need not be asked. Especially when you are in a terrible mood.

[MTRavensFan]

So a supervisor snapped at an underling at work, happens all the time every day.

As I recall, he didn't  even raise his voice, and he didn't call the guy an idiot, he told him to "ask better questions", in other words DO A BETTER JOB. In an irritated tone of voice, and embarrassed the guy.  Whoopdy whoop, no need to take it to the newspapers.

 

Maybe next time the guy will think twice about deliberately baiting coach trying to provoke a "media moment", actually put some thought into his job, and ASK BETTER QUESTIONS. He had a great opportunity there, and totally blew it.

And 10:1 Harris does get an apology from Harbaugh sometime this week. Because that's the kind of coach he is.

 

He's also known as one of the smartest and most level-headed coaches in the league, which is precisely what made his going after Gruden so awesome. Because he's not known as a hot-head, for him to storm across the field like that showed how serious the situation was, HE was willing to face penalties to get his guys safely out of there. The refs were doing nothing to get the situation under control. SOMEBODY had to stand up and show some leadership.

I LOVE our coach.

[Tank 92]

Fact of the matter is anyone who knows Harbs even a tiny bit knows he is not going to talk about the fight or the ejection any way. You knew he was going to be grumpy so why bother asking that question?

You know he is not in favor of squandered points. You know he doesn't like it when his team fumbles.

These questions are obvious and need not be asked. Especially when you are in a terrible mood.

 

 

Especially coming from an employee of the team. Seems there is an underlying issue between Brent and Harbs.  If it continues I think I know which one will be looking for work.