its only preseason, but...

[PurpleCity5]

Correct me if Im wrong but weren't the New York Giants 5-0 last pre season? Yet fans and media alike voiced countless concerns over the team.

Edit: "4-0" Not 5, lol.

Edited September 1, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

Correct me if Im wrong but weren't the New York Giants 5-0 last pre season? Yet fans and media alike voiced countless concerns over the team.

i dont think 5-0 is possible, and im not sure if im getting your point, but i think i have seen some good, and i have seen plenty to be concerned about. its just incredible how riled up people get over the thought of someone saying this team isnt perfect across the board, i rightly say that i have a few concerns and it turns into a 4 page long pissing match lol

[PurpleCity5]

i dont think 5-0 is possible, and im not sure if im getting your point, but i think i have seen some good, and i have seen plenty to be concerned about. its just incredible how riled up people get over the thought of someone saying this team isnt perfect across the board, i rightly say that i have a few concerns and it turns into a 4 page long pissing match lol

I understand what you mean but Pre-Season just isn't the appropriate place to voice concerns. Steve Smith and Aaron Rodgers even voiced upon how they even find it useless. If we all want to get concerned then the right place is week one vs Denver. IMO, I just don't take too much into account as of now.

[52520Andrew]

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Okay I'll play along with your logic then. Jimmy Smith is the reason the Ravens won the Super Bowl. Has nothing to do with Flacco being on fire in the playoffs, Ray Lewis rallying the team together to send him out on top, Boldin and Jacoby making some great plays in the playoffs, switching the O-line in time for the playoffs, 4th and 29, any of that stuff. Jimmy Smith made the play at the end.

Not saying the secondary is going to be the savior of the season or any of that stuff before you get my words twisted any more, they have their holes and the defense is at fault for giving up the leads(yeah if anyone thinks the defense is not at fault, that puts them right at the other end of the spectrum). But one missed tackle on 3rd down that results in a first down on a drive that results in a TD has just as much effect as dropping a TD or giving one up at the end of a game. 7 points is 7 points no matter where it comes from. If Owen Daniels catches a pass in New England last year, it would have been 35-35 more likely than not and we would have needed a field goal to win on the last drive, probably would have gone to overtime. But Daniels didn't mess up at the end of the game like Torrey did so I guess that makes things all right.

[Tru11]

there is this thing called a salary cap.

 

you cant build a stacked roster.

 

there will be some weak points and you wont have great depth everywhere.

 

its simply not possible.

 

or we need to get rid of guys like flacco, yanda and some more of the high priced guys if you desperately want to have a good player in every slot up to the back up slots.

[FlackAttack]

there is this thing called a salary cap.

 

you cant build a stacked roster.

 

there will be some weak points and you wont have great depth everywhere.

 

its simply not possible.

 

or we need to get rid of guys like flacco, yanda and some more of the high priced guys if you desperately want to have a good player in every slot up to the back up slots.

 

School 'em

[Tru11]

also i dont see how its fair that you blame the entire defense when they let up a score and then comeback and blame 1 guy when the offense fails to produce the game tying or go ahead score.

 

its pretty hilarious though how you simply ignore all the play off exists we had tnx to the offense based on your criteria.

 

you are crying about the defense giving up scores in regular season games but not 1 word on how the offense got us boosted out of the play offs on 6 out of 7 occasions....

 

on top of it , it was the defense that came through in the clutch to win us yet another SB based on your criteria.

 

perhaps you should worry about the offense inability to put together game winning/game tying drives in the play offs lol.

 

flacco threw a pass in double coverage in the play offs in the clutch and its okay when he does so but if the defense lets up a score in the same situations you get mad.

 

double standards at its finest.....

[pmr468]

is anyone else having a really hard time being confident in our upcoming season? this is the first time i have felt like this at the end of preseason since 09. i realize its preseason and there is rarely a correlation between it and regular season, but there are some very alarming things that has plagued this team in the past and continues to plague us heading into the season.. 

 

1) wanna beat the ravens? just wait til the end of the half. 

2) i cant even feel any excitement watching a game, like none at all, i just feel almost nauseous thinking about what major player is gonna get injured next. 

3) the same things that ended our season last year, and things that have actually played a major role in ending most of our seasons since 08, these issues still seem to be very visible(not defending a single pass or getting any pressure at all when we are protecting a lead) 

4) how can such a dominant ground game, lead to such a horrible redzone offense? 

5) it feels like we either have a 12 play 80 yard drive, or we will get 3 consecutive pre-snap penalties followed by consecutive sacks and punt on 4th and forever, there doesnt seem to be much middle ground(that may have just been from schaub this week though) 

 

this is just the first time in many years that i just dont feel good about the upcoming season. until we can find a way to keep our players from dropping like flies, and until our dbs learn to defend a pass when we have a lead, then it will be hard to keep the faith for this season. 

 

although when this team is healthy, i think were a top 3 team in the league, and if we can manage to get a full roster come playoff time, it just seems like such an impossible task to keep this team even relatively healthy.

I agree. I do not like what I'm seeing in this preseason, whether it be injuries, or quality of play. Albeit, it is preseason, and I really don't know what to expect. I was very confident in this team coming into training camp, but now I'm not so sure.

[wizard1]

Time to come out of retirement with this thread. We are in trouble right now. 4 out of our first 5 games are on the road against some really good teams. I try to call it as I see it and it's time to worry. We barely won the Saints game and I don't care what anyone says about it being pre-season and that wins don't matter. We all play a game to win. I don't see a winning mentality out there and John Harbaugh showed me that he has lost control. How could he possibly say in front of the cameras he didn't use the F word?  Is he living in some alternate reality ? and on top of that we got no Ngata!!  Be afraid-Be very afraid!!.

[TDubbs]

We barely won the Saints game and I don't care what anyone says about it being pre-season and that wins don't matter. We all play a game to win. I don't see a winning mentality out there and John Harbaugh showed me that he has lost control. 

 

We all play a game to win, yes, but when its preseason and your starting QB plays one series in the Saints game, and barely into the 2nd Q against the Skins, you take those losses with a grain of salt ... 

[JEEPercreepermd]

do people actually watch the full game or only the 4th quarter?

i simply dont understand why people focus on just 1 or 2 drives and totally discard all the other drives in the game.

if both the offense and defense play 10 drives and the defense allows only a FG and TD on the last 2 drives while the offense only managed to score on their last drive , people would still blame the defense for blowing a lead lol.

makes no sense at all.

its like 2 people working togheter and having 4 hours to finish an assignment.

1 person works hard for the first 3 hours while the other only works hard for the last hour and when they fail to make the deadline the latter is gonna blame the other person for not working hard enough that last hour lol.

You are correct. I've been saying it for ages.

That 2013 season had much more to do with the Offense not being able to convert on 4th and 1 or less than it did the defense..

That bears game...We had a shot late in the 4th to win it, but we couldn't run the ball inside the 4 yard line, so we throw 3 times and kick the FG to get to OT where we lost.

That Packers game..AGAIN..If you remember, Flacco with less than a minute left before halftime got sacked and fumbled, giving the Packers 3 FREE points before halftime..we also got stuffed at the goal line on 4 downs..that's a 10 point swing folks because of offensive blunders. That WOULD have been the difference in that game.

Last season- Anyone remember the last drive of the 1st half of the week 1 Bengals game? Offense had a goal to go, couldn't do anything. .and Flacco ran around as the clock expired and they go zero points.

That is unacceptable. If there's one thing that drives me CRAZY about our offense, it's the mental errors. I love Joe and fully support him. .bit the stupid mental errors. .grrrr..

I'm not going to go back through every game..

They also don't understand that in many cases, the defense is GASSED by the 4th quarter? Why? The offense gets the ball, and turns it over or is 3 and out in a flash.

It's very clear, for the Ravens to succeed , BOTH offense and defense have got to perform. IE:When we manhandled the Steelers in the playoffs.

Edited September 1, 2015 by JEEPercreepermd

[DenverRaven]

I'm not concerned in the least. I actually am the opposite of concerned. I'm genuinely excited for this team and I think we can go a long way if we can put it all together. We have a lot of young talent that needs to develop. Health is always a concern , but again that's with every team. Our first team pretty much dominated on both sides of the ball, things didn't really fall apart until Schaub and the 2nd team came in... And I contribute that partially to the referees. Not to mention we are still without some of our best players. K.O. Camp , perriman, Webb, Maxx . Once we get these guys back we will be a force to be reckoned with. If you can't get excited watching a ravens game I'm sorry but that' sounds like a personal issue. I get absolutely pumped. The preseason gets a little agitating for many different reasons and it sometime causes you to forget how good this team actually is, but once the season starts hopefully you will feel better about things. Bc I'm absolutely optimistic and I think we have an extremely good chance to win the north and host a playoff game.

 

Couldn't agree more with this. Preseason is not a very good measuring stick in the NFL, and by all accounts it seems that more people are tuning in much earlier now, and coming away disappointed.

 

Make no doubts about it, preseason has ALWAYS been this way. At times it can be atrostrious to even watch. But, it just doesn't matter all that much for the first teams. Preseason is all about the 2nd/3rd teams vying for a spot, and sometimes it makes for pretty terrible football.

 

We have a solid, well-rounded team, and the rest of the NFL is well aware of the Ravens capabilities. I hate to say it, but week 1 might be a sloppy, and frustrating week of football for us. But, it might be that way for any team. As the season progresses, a healthy Ravens team will be a force in the NFL. And to be fair, there are not many (any?) great teams in the NFL right now. Just a solid amount of good teams. Let's save the concern for five weeks in—and even then—if 2012 taught us anything, it's that you should never give up on your team. Go Ravens.

[52520Andrew]

As for my actual concerns with this team, front 7 depth scares me more than CB right now. Williams is good and I have faith in Jernigan if he is good to go but outside of that on the D-line things get interesting. Canty is up there, Guy has been nothing more than a role player to me, and the rest haven't done much besides Davis who shows promise but needs a bit of development to hit it. LB is in good shape if everyone is healthy but our backup LBs have to me been pretty shaky at times. At OLB we would be in pretty bad shape if Sizzle or Doom went down as well as we have no clear 3rd pass rusher at the position and if anything happened to Sizzle or Upshaw our edge defense would take a hit as Zadarius Smith has really struggled holding the edge at times along with most of the backups(Beyer was competent in that regard at times but I doubt he even makes the roster unless it is special teams)

Compare that to CB where we have Jimmy, Webb, Arrington, and Melvin, I have faith in all those guys at least being respectable on the field. Tray Walker is a developmental guy and whoever else we keep is probably the level of the 6th CB for most teams, bad. Last year at CB we ended up with Jimmy and Webb. Asa and Chykie were competing to be the 3rd CB compared to Arrington and Melvin now.

Safsty is also a position we could struggle at if Lewis struggles or we get any injuries

Edited September 1, 2015 by 52520Andrew

[ravensnick]

Outside of the Philly game, the starters have looked amazing. I'm not that worried, except for our WRs. 

[redrum52]

As for my actual concerns with this team, front 7 depth scares me more than CB right now. Williams is good and I have faith in Jernigan if he is good to go but outside of that on the D-line things get interesting. Canty is up there, Guy has been nothing more than a role player to me, and the rest haven't done much besides Davis who shows promise but needs a bit of development to hit it. LB is in good shape if everyone is healthy but our backup LBs have to me been pretty shaky at times. At OLB we would be in pretty bad shape if Sizzle or Doom went down as well as we have no clear 3rd pass rusher at the position and if anything happened to Sizzle or Upshaw our edge defense would take a hit as Zadarius Smith has really struggled holding the edge at times along with most of the backups(Beyer was competent in that regard at times but I doubt he even makes the roster unless it is special teams)

Compare that to CB where we have Jimmy, Webb, Arrington, and Melvin, I have faith in all those guys at least being respectable on the field. Tray Walker is a developmental guy and whoever else we keep is probably the level of the 6th CB for most teams, bad. Last year at CB we ended up with Jimmy and Webb. Asa and Chykie were competing to be the 3rd CB compared to Arrington and Melvin now.

Safsty is also a position we could struggle at if Lewis struggles or we get any injuries

These are real concerns.

[Tru11]

You are correct. I've been saying it for ages.

That 2013 season had much more to do with the Offense not being able to convert on 4th and 1 or less than it did the defense..

That bears game...We had a shot late in the 4th to win it, but we couldn't run the ball inside the 4 yard line, so we throw 3 times and kick the FG to get to OT where we lost.

That Packers game..AGAIN..If you remember, Flacco with less than a minute left before halftime got sacked and fumbled, giving the Packers 3 FREE points before halftime..we also got stuffed at the goal line on 4 downs..that's a 10 point swing folks because of offensive blunders. That WOULD have been the difference in that game.

Last season- Anyone remember the last drive of the 1st half of the week 1 Bengals game? Offense had a goal to go, couldn't do anything. .and Flacco ran around as the clock expired and they go zero points.

That is unacceptable. If there's one thing that drives me CRAZY about our offense, it's the mental errors. I love Joe and fully support him. .bit the stupid mental errors. .grrrr..

I'm not going to go back through every game..

They also don't understand that in many cases, the defense is GASSED by the 4th quarter? Why? The offense gets the ball, and turns it over or is 3 and out in a flash.

It's very clear, for the Ravens to succeed , BOTH offense and defense have got to perform. IE:When we manhandled the Steelers in the playoffs.

 

the thing that irks me the most is the fact that the offense has let us down way more many times in much biggers games with the game on the line.

 

2008 the offense gave up a pick 6 that sealed the game

2009 they scored 3 points in the entire game lol

2010 boldin drop , housh drop on 4th down.

2011 first evans drops a sure fire TD on 2nd down then offense fails to pick up 1st down with 1 yard to go then special teams misses a simple FG to tie the game.

2012 the defense made a goalline stand to win the game.

2013 missed the play offs tnx to a pretty terrible offense.

2014 had the chance to win the game but the offense turns the ball over on a game sealing INT.

 

how can anyone cry about the defense when we had the offense doing much worse in crunch time lol.

i dont even wanna go back to the prior years before flacco and harbough came on board.

 

people need to stop the double standards by giving the offense a pass but then go and bash the defense....

 

 

As for my actual concerns with this team, front 7 depth scares me more than CB right now. Williams is good and I have faith in Jernigan if he is good to go but outside of that on the D-line things get interesting. Canty is up there, Guy has been nothing more than a role player to me, and the rest haven't done much besides Davis who shows promise but needs a bit of development to hit it. LB is in good shape if everyone is healthy but our backup LBs have to me been pretty shaky at times. At OLB we would be in pretty bad shape if Sizzle or Doom went down as well as we have no clear 3rd pass rusher at the position and if anything happened to Sizzle or Upshaw our edge defense would take a hit as Zadarius Smith has really struggled holding the edge at times along with most of the backups(Beyer was competent in that regard at times but I doubt he even makes the roster unless it is special teams)

Compare that to CB where we have Jimmy, Webb, Arrington, and Melvin, I have faith in all those guys at least being respectable on the field. Tray Walker is a developmental guy and whoever else we keep is probably the level of the 6th CB for most teams, bad. Last year at CB we ended up with Jimmy and Webb. Asa and Chykie were competing to be the 3rd CB compared to Arrington and Melvin now.

Safsty is also a position we could struggle at if Lewis struggles or we get any injuries

 

you are spot on with the olb depth.

its pretty much suggs , doom and upshaw at this point.

 

i expect  ozzie to look for somebody who gets to add some depth.

well at least i hope .

 

dline im not to worried since we will probably run sub/nickle packages which rely on have at most 2 dliners on the field at a time.

 

goaline defense might be an issue this year if we get more injuries besides jernigan.

[52520Andrew]

you are spot on with the olb depth.

its pretty much suggs , doom and upshaw at this point.

i expect ozzie to look for somebody who gets to add some depth.

well at least i hope .

dline im not to worried since we will probably run sub/nickle packages which rely on have at most 2 dliners on the field at a time.

goaline defense might be an issue this year if we get more injuries besides jernigan.

Yeah I am optimistic on the D-line but I don't want to underestimate it. I think the biggest key there is how fast Davis can develop. I do think our run defense will take a step back though although they were on another level last year, the Pats had to pass every play to beat us in the playoffs.

We will have to get a bit lucky in some positions with the injury bug(knock on wood) but the fact that we are talking about depth as the biggest concern tells you just how good this team looks on paper. Probably the best team on paper for me since 2011, just have to see how it all plays out.

[January J]

i dont think 5-0 is possible, and im not sure if im getting your point, but i think i have seen some good, and i have seen plenty to be concerned about. its just incredible how riled up people get over the thought of someone saying this team isnt perfect across the board, i rightly say that i have a few concerns and it turns into a 4 page long pissing match lol

you said a little more than just having a "few concerns" .

And many people are acting like the sky is falling and that were not even gonna win 8 games. Take a look around the division. Cinci and Pittsburgh are looking absolutely horrible. Ppl are saying Pittsburgh has no chance to make the playoffs. If anything so far the browns have played the best In preseason and we know that's a fluke and they're nothing to worry about. Pitts has to start the season without bell , Bryant, their starting center , and their entire defense sucks. Just keep things in perspective. Could we be better ? Ofcourse. Are we an extremely talented team with an awesome offense and defensive line with an elite quarterback , one of the best receivers in the game who's on a rampage, a respectable running game , a feirce pass rush, young talent across the board developing quickly with the most accurate kicker in NFL history? Hell yes!

Edited September 1, 2015 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

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Okay I'll play along with your logic then. Jimmy Smith is the reason the Ravens won the Super Bowl. Has nothing to do with Flacco being on fire in the playoffs, Ray Lewis rallying the team together to send him out on top, Boldin and Jacoby making some great plays in the playoffs, switching the O-line in time for the playoffs, 4th and 29, any of that stuff. Jimmy Smith made the play at the end.

Not saying the secondary is going to be the savior of the season or any of that stuff before you get my words twisted any more, they have their holes and the defense is at fault for giving up the leads(yeah if anyone thinks the defense is not at fault, that puts them right at the other end of the spectrum). But one missed tackle on 3rd down that results in a first down on a drive that results in a TD has just as much effect as dropping a TD or giving one up at the end of a game. 7 points is 7 points no matter where it comes from. If Owen Daniels catches a pass in New England last year, it would have been 35-35 more likely than not and we would have needed a field goal to win on the last drive, probably would have gone to overtime. But Daniels didn't mess up at the end of the game like Torrey did so I guess that makes things all right.

that first paragraph.. well thats flawed logic, not every little way of thinking is absolutely universal. to say someone blew the game at the end when they very obviously did blow the game, is one thing, but to disregard everything that happened because of a specific play is way past the point. if jimmy smith gave up that TD at the end, i would be blaming the ray rice fumble, the breakdown on special teams that put them in easy TD range, and most importantly i would blame the defense for allowing that much of a comeback in 2 quarters of play. sure the offense would deserve some blame for letting off the gas, but they still scored 30 points against a top tier defense.  similarly, our offense gave us 31 points against NE and the defense allowed 2 consecutive comebacks for 14 points each, then allowed them to take the lead, you ABSOLUTELY can hold owen daniels accountable for his dropped TD, and you absolutely can hold joe and torrey accountable for the 2 picks(i can only hold one of them against joe though, that second was very obviously a blunder by torrey imo), but all in all, nobody in their right mind is gonna watch that game and blame our offense for a small handful of bad plays, when the secondary got worked up and down the field for 15 minutes at a time.

[JoeyFlex5]

you said a little more than just having a "few concerns" .

And many people are acting like the sky is falling and that were not even gonna win 8 games. Take a look around the division. Cinci and Pittsburgh are looking absolutely horrible. Ppl are saying Pittsburgh has no chance to make the playoffs. If anything so far the browns have played the best In preseason and we know that's a fluke and they're nothing to worry about. Pitts has to start the season without bell , Bryant, their starting center , and their entire defense sucks. Just keep things in perspective. Could we be better ? Ofcourse. Are we an extremely talented team with an awesome offense and defensive line with an elite quarterback , one of the best receivers in the game who's on a rampage, a respectable running game , a feirce pass rush, young talent across the board developing quickly with the most accurate kicker in NFL history? Hell yes!

im not saying the sky is falling and im still projecting a playoff appearance, but i am pointing out that this team has its fair share of issues, and if they cant be corrected then there is a chance of the season not going as planned, im not so sure we could withstand another injury bug like we sorta did last year. if our DL keeps getting injured or if suggs or doom shows their age, then things could get ugly. also if our OL or WR corps keep getting hurt then we wouldnt be too far from a repeat of 2013. i think its a major concern and if everyone gets healthy then we will be beyond competitive, but if our stars miss games the way they miss practice, then im worried.

[52520Andrew]

but to disregard everything that happened because of a specific play is way past the point.

 

That is exactly what you are doing when you say they blew the game on one play.

[JoeyFlex5]

That is exactly what you are doing when you say they blew the game on one play.

so what you are saying, is any train of thought on anything, is just universal, and applies to any and all situations the same way? 

 

against the patriots, we played a strong 4 quarters and literally had the game winning touchdown in the receivers hands, and it was dropped. against the niners, there was a long chain of bad plays, a whole 2nd half worth of falling apart on both sides of the ball. 

 

but your right, theyre totally comparable, the same exact scenario, and they should both be looked at the same exact way, hell they might as well have been the same game. 

 

stir the pot more, it will be wasted effort because i am done arguing this with you because youre either completely dense or trolling.

Edited September 1, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[52520Andrew]

so what you are saying, is any train of thought on anything, is just universal, and applies to any and all situations the same way?

against the patriots, we played a strong 4 quarters and literally had the game winning touchdown in the receivers hands, and it was dropped. against the niners, there was a long chain of bad plays, a whole 2nd half worth of falling apart on both sides of the ball.

but your right, theyre totally comparable, the same exact scenario, and they should both be looked at the same exact way, hell they might as well have been the same game.

stir the pot more, it will be wasted effort because i am done arguing this with you because youre either completely dense or trolling.

You mean those last 2 posessions were just perfect for the Ravens? You mean that Flacco throwing a pick and the Ravens not converting on 4th down in New England territory didn't matter? You mean the defense had a shut out going? You mean the offense scored on every drive?

They didn't? Well jeez, maybe had they scored on a previous drive or the defense had gotten one more stop they wouldn't have needed a field goal at the end anyways.

What you fail to understand is that points are points. You don't get bonus points for getting more at the end, a dropped TD in the first quarter is 7 points off the board as well is it not?

You wanna play the what if game and change one play but you can do that multiple times in every game.

I'll trust what Ray has to say on it any day of the week.

[JoeyFlex5]

You mean those last 2 posessions were just perfect for the Ravens? You mean that Flacco throwing a pick and the Ravens not converting on 4th down in New England territory didn't matter? You mean the defense had a shut out going? You mean the offense scored on every drive?

They didn't? Well jeez, maybe had they scored on a previous drive or the defense had gotten one more stop they wouldn't have needed a field goal at the end anyways.

What you fail to understand is that points are points. You don't get bonus points for getting more at the end, a dropped TD in the first quarter is 7 points off the board as well is it not?

You wanna play the what if game and change one play but you can do that multiple times in every game.

I'll trust what Ray has to say on it any day of the week.

so lets get this clear, you think the offense is just as much to blame as the defense? that is what you are saying, because of a dropped TD pass and 2 interceptions(at the end after the defense coughed up another 14 point lead), they are just as much to blame as our secondary. you are ACTUALLY trying to argue that, after watching that game.. thats all i need to know. nobody is playing the what if game except for you, talking about going back and changing stuff in the 2nd quarter, im not even doing that, im saying the secondary is more at fault than the offense for that loss, and you are actually trying to argue otherwise. did we even watch the same game? 

 

oh no i forgot, youre arguing for the hell of it to stir the pot..

[52520Andrew]

so lets get this clear, you think the offense is just as much to blame as the defense? that is what you are saying, because of a dropped TD pass and 2 interceptions(at the end after the defense coughed up another 14 point lead), they are just as much to blame as our secondary. you are ACTUALLY trying to argue that, after watching that game.. thats all i need to know. nobody is playing the what if game except for you, talking about going back and changing stuff in the 2nd quarter, im not even doing that, im saying the secondary is more at fault than the offense for that loss, and you are actually trying to argue otherwise. did we even watch the same game? 

 

oh no i forgot, youre arguing for the hell of it to stir the pot..

 

I am talking the 2011 game, the previous 2 possessions before the final drive were an interception and a failed 4th down conversion

[52520Andrew]

oh no i forgot, youre arguing for the hell of it to stir the pot..

 

This is the post that started this whole debate and I was not even talking to you when I posted it but was quoting someone else...

 

Yeah people love to get wrapped up on how a game ended but if one play in the 2nd was made or if as Ray said, if someone made a tackle in the 3rd quarter, it could have changed the entire situation at the end. Football is a 60 minute game, gotta play all of those minutes

[GrimCoconut]

I know I could just not come here and read the topic, but I have to say: this back and forth argument is a little tiring. lol

[beanfigger]

I know I could just not come here and read the topic, but I have to say: this back and forth argument is a little tiring. lol

 

Typically, I'm more concerned with Ravens vs other teams than Ravens vs Ravens for blame/credit. Maybe that's a foreign concept here nowadays.

[52520Andrew]

Meh it is either this or argue about Perriman's knee or how we are going 5-11 because a few backups didn't play well. 

[lgcs27288]

Meh it is either this or argue about Perriman's knee or how we are going 5-11 because a few backups didn't play well.

Or because 3 drives will define our season.