The good, the bad, and the really bad vs Washington

[sflegend89]

I feel your anxiety here. I am hoping the secondary gets healthy and plays well together with the new pieces, at least well enough to not get stomped out against those teams. I think one thing that will help us tremendously is winning the division and getting a home game or two in the playoffs against those other teams you mentioned. We would have a much better opportunity to hang with them score-for-score at home, and perhaps get enough momentum to get a game changing turnover or hustle play that pushes us over the top.

 

Definitely agree about the home playoff game. That's why I think the 4 games against the Steelers/Bengals are especially huge for us this year. We really need to go 3-1 in those games and beat the teams we're supposed to beat. Thankfully our schedule isn't that rough this year, Broncos and Seahawks are the only "elite" teams we play. We go 5-1 in the division, drop the 2 games against the elite teams, that leaves us 1 loss out of the Cards, Chargers, Dolphins, Chiefs. Put's us at 12-4 and basically guarantees us a home playoff game.

 

That is the ideal situation for us to be successful in the playoffs and hopefully the Brady ban holds and they pick up some early losses so we can play them in our house for once.

[BmoreBird22]

I remember hating the pick at the time(along with 99% of the forum), seriously loving the fact that I can eat crow

I hadn't heard of him before, but I figured there was a reason he went in the third. I thought he could be a good short yardage, goal line type guy, but this offensive output from him is far from what I expected.

[jazz1988]

I agree, that's the most realistic scenario. Just something needs to be done at that position, we don't have the personnel there to deal with the elite passing teams which there are quite a few of in the AFC. Week 1 Jimmy can nearly take Demaryius Thomas out of the game but then Emmanuel Sanders will go bananas on Melvin/Webb/Arrington. We are just mismatches galore down the depth chart at corner. Like I said in a previous post it's not that they don't work hard, or that they aren't intelligent, or that we don't have good coaches. Sanders can just move and run routes in a way that none of those guys can cover. Even Caldwell will find himself getting open. 

 

We have a glaring weakness at #2 CB on down and it's going to be our achilles heel every time we face a team like the Broncos, Colts, or Patriots who can play that fast paced quick passing style that we historically cannot deal with over the last 2 years.

 

How do you know that? I don't know how good Webb will be this season but The Ravens still have great cornerback in Smith, Melvin looks improved, and Arrington consider to be one of the best nickel cornerback in the league. Arrington litterally shutdown down Ty Hilton why can't he do the same with Sanders whom a pretty similar receiver to Hilton.

Edited August 30, 2015 by jazz1988

[Adreme]

This game basically reaffirmed that none of the receivers who are not Steve Smith can step up if he goes down so they 100% need Perriman to get healthy and on the field because everyone else is basically a good number 3 wideout or a below average 2 and you cant win games with that.

 

Also really hoping none of the injuries are serious of course because the injury bug has sort of bit enough this offseason and it does not need to keep biting.

[callahan09]

I need to go back and watch the first 3 pre-season games again, but so far nothing positive truly stands out to me from Aiken, but a lot of negative memories immediately come to mind.  He just doesn't seem to play the ball in a smart way.  Flacco's first interception on the deep pass in the 2nd game was a problem for me.  Aiken should have tracked the ball and jumped to make  a play on it.  Instead he just kept running, letting the ball fall behind him, making essentially no play on it, thus it got tipped and the INT occurred.  But I'm even more unhappy with the play today at about the 2:57 remaining mark in the 1st quarter, when he threw to Aiken and Amerson almost picked it off.  Once again, Aiken just sits there staring at the ball, doesn't come back to it, on an obvious come-back type of throw, and just lets Amerson (the defender) jump in front of him and almost pick it off.  Aiken just doesn't seem to play the ball, doesn't fight for it, doesn't track it, and just lets the defender make a play on the ball when the play is there to be made from him.  It's Torrey Smith all over again as far as it looks to my eyes, I ALWAYS harped on Torrey not playing the ball properly and letting defenders have plays on the ball that Torrey himself should have made, and I'm seeing the same stuff from Aiken right now.  It's very frustrating.

Edited August 30, 2015 by callahan09

[sflegend89]

How do you know that? I don't know how good Webb will be this season but The Ravens still have great cornerback in Smith, Melvin looks improved, and Arrington consider to be one of the best nickel cornerback in the league. Arrington litterally shutdown down Ty Hilton why can't he do the same with Sanders whom a pretty similar receiver to Hilton.

 

Because Sanders isn't a slot WR, he lines up opposite of Demaryius on the outside as a Z wr. Hilton is a slot WR who lines up as an H thus would be covered by Arrington in the nickel role.

Edited August 30, 2015 by sflegend89

[CalvinSmoke]

If our WR core is Sss, Perriman and Camp the potential is endless the possibility of dissapointment can't be ignored either. The defense looks top 10 to me still. Gonna be hard to score on this squad unless it's a big play

[allblackraven]

I hadn't heard of him before, but I figured there was a reason he went in the third. I thought he could be a good short yardage, goal line type guy, but this offensive output from him is far from what I expected.

I had Gillmore mocked to us in 5th round. Did not expect him to go that high but considering Pitta's injury and not a lot of quality at TE position in the draft, I was fine with it. So far he showed he was definitely worth it.

[redrum52]

Nothing good except for Flacco. We lost and more guys got injured. The only thing I wanted was to leave this game healthy.

[757RavensFan]

The bad, not throwing a jump ball to Waller when it was 1st and goal from the 3 yard line.

Edited August 30, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[Sami84]

The bad, not throwing a jump ball to Waller when it was 1st and goal from the 3 yard line.

 

this..i am not enjoying how the offense is using waller.

 

slants? really?..throw him a few jump balls

 

i haven't seen one attempted..which is ridiculous

Edited August 30, 2015 by Sami84

[jazz1988]

Because Sanders isn't a slot WR, he lines up opposite of Demaryius on the outside as a Z wr. Hilton is a slot WR who lines up as an H thus would be covered by Arrington in the nickel role.

 

Hilton is not a slot receiver either.. Just like Sanders he plays on the outside and moves in the slot from time to time. I been following The Broncos news and Gary Kubiak wants Sanders to see the slot more often this year.

[sflegend89]

Hilton is not a slot receiver either.. Just like Sanders he plays on the outside and moves in the slot from time to time. I been following The Broncos news and Gary Kubiak wants Sanders to see the slot more often this year.

 

We'll see week 1 how much time he actually spends in the slot. I expect a lot more Webb/Melvin on Sanders than Arrington unless we opt to start him on the outside which definitely isn't where he's most effective but we did see him play there a bit in preseason so you never know. A lot of it will come down to Webb's availability and what Pees' confidence level is starting him opposite Jimmy.

 

Hilton does play outside some he's versatile but he lines up in the slot far more often than he does outside and far more often than Sanders did last season.

Edited August 30, 2015 by sflegend89

[sflegend89]

Hilton lines up in the slot like 90% of the time, the colts have one look where he lines up as a single outside Z wr. He's considered a slot WR. But thanks for the -1 for posting the correct information lol. As you can see in the Colts base 3 WR set that they use frequently Hilton is the H wr in the slot like I said.

 

Edited August 30, 2015 by sflegend89

[K-Dog]

TRUE or FALSE.

Joe was pulled for his own safety.

I suspect he was.

I saw more than a few dirty hits just by that 52 guy.

Reports all said Joe was going to play at least the first half.

[Edgar]

To start on a positive note: I thought the first team offense looked good..especially without the left side of our line. Steve smith played out of his mind.

Flacco looked in control and very poised despite being pressured. I like how Jensen appears to have improved drastically, as if a light has gone on for him.

McGee is our second best(healthy) back. Need to see more of him.

The defense reminded me a little of last years defense but I am confident the secondary will improve. Carl Davis!

Negative:

Aiken and all the hype. He made a nice play by the sideline but I don't see anything more than a third option.

Jernigan and his inability to stay on the field.

Buck Allen thrust into splitting carries with Forsett. Really isn't ready and probably shouldn't be active if Lorenzo is ready...outplayed so far by McGee.

Harbaugh running across the field and getting into it with gruden. I admit that part of me thought it was cool and that his team might have appreciated it but his antics this preseason are off putting and make me wonder if perhaps he has been possessed by his little brother.

Asa Jackson had a great return but I stii wouldn't keep him. Not since Tandon doss has a guy received so many second chances.

Four years and still no clue.

We really need to somehow or another pick up a dependable 2 WR AND/or pray really hard that campanaro stays healthy.

Any word on why Maxx didn't dress?

[JEEPercreepermd]

Backups were bad.

First team offense was crisp, dominated the run game while Forsett was in, Flacco looked good.

First team defense was dominating, Skins couldn't move the ball until most of the starters were on the bench near the end of the half. Even then, they scored on a fluke and had a ton of balls literally bounce in their favor.

Have no fear.

If this were regular season, we would have probably beaten them by close to 30 points

[Sami84]

remember guys..aiken is going against our secondary in training.

 

that may make him look better than he actually is.

 

Not exactly rod woodson/ed reed stuff going on in this secondary

[Sami84]

Backups were bad.

First team offense was crisp, dominated the run game while Forsett was in, Flacco looked good.

First team defense was dominating, Skins couldn't move the ball until most of the starters were on the bench near the end of the half. Even then, they scored on a fluke and had a ton of balls literally bounce in their favor.

Have no fear.

If this were regular season, we would have probably beaten them by close to 30 points

 

you really feel our first team coverage/pass rush has been good? i think its been awful..and teams won't even feel the need to run the ball against us (like the patriots)...just throw it..we will have time etc

[BBISESi]

Good-Joe Flacco rebounded good from last week's 2 int game and Steve Smith looked really good on his route running

Bad-The only receiver doing anything was Steve Smith you can't rely on 1 receiver and expect to win many games since many teams has already figured out that jamming waller every play is the way to go because of his size. The defence dissapointed me from a standpoint that I'm on my heels every 3rd down praying we can get one stop. I just don't like dean pees playing cb 10 yards off receivers almost every play given them chunks of easy yardage through the air. Lastly I would love to see the offense just throw the ball up to waller if he gets by the defender jamming him he is tall and has pretty solid hands he don't need to be open to make plays all the time.

[jazz1988]

Hilton lines up in the slot like 90% of the time, the colts have one look where he lines up as a single outside Z wr. He's considered a slot WR. But thanks for the -1 for posting the correct information lol. As you can see in the Colts base 3 WR set that they use frequently Hilton is the H wr in the slot like I said.

 

 

 

 I might be adding this wrong but Pro football focus stated that Hilton was targeted 51 times in the slot worth 461 receiving yards while Sanders was targeted 42  times worth 485 receiving yards. Overall Hilton was targeted by Andrew Luck 130 times and when I subtracted  130 by 51 that left me with 71. So atleast 71 of Hilton targets had to be on the outside. Sander was overall targeted by Manning a 140 times. and when I subtract 140 by 42 that leaves me with 98. So 98 of Sanders targets were when he was on the outside. Sanders was targeted more than Hilton on the outside but both these guys saw  good sum of targets in the slot even though Hilton had more targets. 

 

Both receivers saw more targets on the outside than in the slot but  Sanders was just got more targets in the end.if you consider their total production  receiver yards wise it's fair to say that both Sanders and Hilton are more than slot receivers. Gary Kubiak wants Sanders to be in the  slot even more this year and if that's true then he will be match up with Arrington from time to time . Oh by the way i'm not the one whom neg you  and I got my information from here link

Edited August 30, 2015 by jazz1988

[Purple_City39]

this..i am not enjoying how the offense is using waller.

 

slants? really?..throw him a few jump balls

 

i haven't seen one attempted..which is ridiculous

Yeah, I was scratching my head on how they used him also.  When Asa got the ball inside the five on that return, I turned to the group I was with and said "watch for the fade route to Waller".  Boy was I wrong on that.  

 

Waller is a 6'6, big bodied WR with long strides that make him deceptively fast.  So instead of sending him deep or giving him jump balls in the endzone, we have him run nothing but short routes in three preseason games and don't throw his way on the goal line outside of one screen pass at the 5.  This is giving me flashbacks on how Stallworth was improperly used

[berad]

The starting offense looked pretty good, Steve Smith was dominant before his unjust ejection. Loved the Gilmore play right after even though it was nullified.

The starting defense was nice too the Redskins were stymied even with their best qb on the field.

Asa Jackson made a huge play, making my comments about him look silly lol. Wish we could have cashed that in but Schaub made a couple poor passes and we missed out on the 4th down td because of a technicality.

The backups eh... The Redskins were very pleased when they came in the game.

Hope everyone came away without serious injury, three DL players went down. I wonder what Gruden said to Harbaugh and how he responded. I know one thing, though, Harbs would have taken 'baby fat' to the woodshed.

[Clmraven]

The starters looked good to me, I really didn't like how they used Waller though.

The refs were pretty bad, the skins looked like they were head hunting the whole game.

We didn't look great overall but it's preseason, at least wait until week 2 to say the sky is falling.

The 2008 lions went 4-0 in the preseason...

[The Mom Gene]

I'm telling you .. I hate to talk that way ... that the refs have it in for us, but man, it just seems like what I've seen these past 2 games has been hard to completely chalk up to incompetence. 

 

Not saying there is some league conspiracy against us, it is just as if we're branded among the officials as a team that goes outside the lines and they are looking at us under a microscope and ignoring what might be going on against us. 

 

With all the bad calls tonight, the most alarming thing is not granting a measurement for a 4th and short (which was actually a 1st and 10, if they hadn't botched that call too). I mean, c'mon ... that was at least close enough to warrant a measure to allow a coach a better idea of whether or not they should go for it. So, they not only don't give the measurement, we end up with a delay of game.

 

If this is going on into the regular season, I'm going to lose it. 

I would agree with that...  Maybe a bad choice of words, but even last night was obvious... and it's not two sided.

[HoldingCall]

Generally speaking:

Good: The first team Offense and Defense in general. First team secondary still have a few issues but better than last week.

Bad: OL backups as a whole; DL backups against the run; CBs, as a whole; the return game as a whole.

 

Besides Steve, the other WRs on the field have yet to earn trust. I didn't blame the miss connect to Waller crossing on neither Joe nor Waller. They haven't worked much with each other, so the timing and chemistry should get better quickly.

 

The secondary has work to do. Many of the CBs were caught looking into the backfield while the WRs got away from them. Whoever is coaching the CBs could be a part of the problem. Much of what I observed, I believe, is correctable with most of the CB/DBs that are here.

 

Renner has more upside than schaub and is currently just as good with better mobility.

 

Steve Smith is the man!

 

(Just a thought) Current injuries could make cutting healthy players a challenge.

[beanfigger]

TRUE or FALSE.

Joe was pulled for his own safety.

I suspect he was.

I saw more than a few dirty hits just by that 52 guy.

Reports all said Joe was going to play at least the first half.

I think it's a matter of not putting him in harms way anymore after leading 4 scoring drives (Tucker miss isn't something we should get used to).

[beanfigger]

Yeah, I was scratching my head on how they used him also. When Asa got the ball inside the five on that return, I turned to the group I was with and said "watch for the fade route to Waller". Boy was I wrong on that.

Waller is a 6'6, big bodied WR with long strides that make him deceptively fast. So instead of sending him deep or giving him jump balls in the endzone, we have him run nothing but short routes in three preseason games and don't throw his way on the goal line outside of one screen pass at the 5. This is giving me flashbacks on how Stallworth was improperly used

Hard to use a guy that can't get off a jam at the line. He still needs work, but he is showing promise.

[Purple_City39]

Hard to use a guy that can't get off a jam at the line. He still needs work, but he is showing promise.

So hard to use him on deep routes and in the endzone but easy to use him on slants, comebacks (see the play Schaub was sacked on) and any other short route possible?

 

If he's getting jammed then he's being jammed no matter what route he runs minus a quick slant or screen.  My issue is they aren't calling routes for him that play to his strengths.  They are keeping him on short and a few intermediate routes.  With Perriman out, Waller should be the deep ball guy and should be the endzone jumpball guy

[sflegend89]

 I might be adding this wrong but Pro football focus stated that Hilton was targeted 51 times in the slot worth 461 receiving yards while Sanders was targeted 42  times worth 485 receiving yards. Overall Hilton was targeted by Andrew Luck 130 times and when I subtracted  130 by 51 that left me with 71. So atleast 71 of Hilton targets had to be on the outside. Sander was overall targeted by Manning a 140 times. and when I subtract 140 by 42 that leaves me with 98. So 98 of Sanders targets were when he was on the outside. Sanders was targeted more than Hilton on the outside but both these guys saw  good sum of targets in the slot even though Hilton had more targets. 

 

Both receivers saw more targets on the outside than in the slot but  Sanders was just got more targets in the end.if you consider their total production  receiver yards wise it's fair to say that both Sanders and Hilton are more than slot receivers. Gary Kubiak wants Sanders to be in the  slot even more this year and if that's true then he will be match up with Arrington from time to time . Oh by the way i'm not the one whom neg you  and I got my information from here link

 

Can you post the link or screen shot the PFF page you're referencing?