The good, the bad, and the really bad vs Washington

[Cville-Raven]

Nope - there were 3 flags on D, none on Robinson. All 5 flags were thrown for stuff that happened after the dirty hit.

SMDH

[ravensnj]

The Tight ends need to be involved more. We have 3 good pass catchers just blocking.

[usmccharles]

Is anyone else frustrated that we try to evaluate talent while Schaub is the qb, he looked terrible. This is one thing I don't understand about the process. We didn't get any good out of this after Joe went out other than knowing Schaub is a waste of money.

[rmw10]

GOOD:

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL  3m3 minutes ago

Initial diagnosis on Timmy Jernigan is he may have dodged a serious injury according to a source

[4everraven]

Ravens reserves are really bad. Also really bad has been the officiating, unbelievably bad. This game we had the hold on Juice and Aiken getting pile driven not called, the phantom flag on the Crockett TD and McGee clearly getting the first down but marked short.

As for the starters, we clearly have no WRs other than SSS. This will be a problem. Only hope will be the return of the injured Camp and Perriman. I was hoping Waller would shine this game but that didn't happen.

McGee has outplayed Allen in my opinion. Forsett fortunately looks ready to pick up from last year. Difficult to assess Oline as there has been too many injuries. No reason to think they won't be solid though.

As for the defense, I see the same things as last year. Pass defense will be a major issue and an inability to get turnovers. Suggs did have a nice INT tonight though.

The offense has to get a better TD / FG ratio with scoring drives. Ravens have Tucker which is great but getting 2 FGs and 1 TD in 3 scoring drives isn't going to win many games especially with this defense which is likely to get lit up quite frequently. Ravens need to reverse that to 2 TDs and 1 FG. Too many drives that stall out and end with FGs could hurt the Ravens. Realize points are points but if the Ravens are getting 3's and the opponents 7's it's not going to bode well.

Here's hoping the Oline is fully healthy for the season and the running game and TEs carry us until someone other than SSS steps up as a WR. The defense I'm just hoping is not worse than last year.

[jaege]

Is anyone else frustrated that we try to evaluate talent while Schaub is the qb, he looked terrible. This is one thing I don't understand about the process. We didn't get any good out of this after Joe went out other than knowing Schaub is a waste of money.

 

 

And did anyone other than the Ravens staff need to see Shaub play to know he wasn't worth the money? He is as bad as I thought he would be.

[ravensdfan]

SMDH

He should get fined for it though. Officiating has just been horrid.

[beanfigger]

The first team offense was super close to easing everyone's worries tonight. Gilmore's TD called back because...nothing. The missed FG came after a terrible spot on third down that would have extended the drive that was already deep in Wash territory. Could have been 24-0 before the starters were yanked without anything changing.

But bad breaks are inevitable in this game. We have to push through in spite of all that. First team defense was alright. Not great.

Backups were not good. However, some of the first team play included backups, so the full-ins weren't bad. Hopefully, we are getting all of our injuries out of the way early.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I wonder what Jay '4-12' Gruden had to say when Harbaugh went to the field to tell the guys to stop.

 

Gruden looks like a classless wussy

[sflegend89]

The reality of the situation is with our secondary I don't see us beating the elite AFC teams. I don't see us beating the Patriots, Broncos, or Colts. We're a good team, we're a physical team, we can compete with any team in this league. But there's a reality of how our secondary stacks up vs how the upper tier secondaries in the league play and it's a big gap and it's a big problem when you face elite passing attacks like those teams I mentioned have.

 

It's not that our guys don't practice hard, it's not that they aren't intelligent, it's not that we don't have a good defensive coaching staff because we do. With the exception of Jimmy there's a lot of corners in this league who can just flat out do things in coverage that our other corners can't do. We're a very good team, I just don't see us legitimately competing for a SB this year without a major addition to the secondary and that's the reality of the situation.

[Cville-Raven]

I wonder what Jay '4-12' Gruden had to say when Harbaugh went to the field to tell the guys to stop.

 

Gruden looks like a classless wussy

Well he's probably going to be jobless at some point this season

[beanfigger]

The reality of the situation is with our secondary I don't see us beating the elite AFC teams. I don't see us beating the Patriots, Broncos, or Colts. We're a good team, we're a physical team, we can compete with any team in this league. But there's a reality of how our secondary stacks up vs how the upper tier secondaries in the league play and it's a big gap and it's a big problem when you face elite passing attacks like those teams I mentioned have.

It's not that our guys don't practice hard, it's not that they aren't intelligent, it's not that we don't have a good defensive coaching staff because we do. With the exception of Jimmy there's a lot of corners in this league who can just flat out do things in coverage that our other corners can't do. We're a very good team, I just don't see us legitimately competing for a SB this year without a major addition to the secondary and that's the reality of the situation.

If you're basing this one reputation from previous years, then I agree. If you're basing this on preseason play, then to be fair you have to look at how those "elite" passing offenses have done in the preseason, as well. They have not been super impressive, either. Based on the preseason, the Bills and Jags have been the most impressive offenses in the conference thus far. Fortunately, preseason means little, so I'll just wait and see.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Did someone really say Boldin? Really.

This would not work for so many reasons.

1. WR is not the issue. We're fine. Perriman is not nearly as bad as you think he is.

2. The niners are not going to trade a 7th rounder for their best offensive player.

3. Like SSR, HE'S OLD. Will probably retire soon.

4. Too damn expensive.

Trades don't happen often. At times it's not captually possible/the few good players a team has, the more they want to keep.

In fact. most good starting corners are probably deemed untouchable because they're a rare commodity. I am pretty sure no one will trade a starting corner for anything less than a second rounder. Why would any team take less.

And finally.. It's preseason and we're banged up. Our starters looked fine. We haven't seen Perriman yet. At the very worst he's a Torrey Smith clone. Which is not a bad floor to have, as Torrey was actually a pretty good player. Not a number one WR but a very good number two. We had a make shift oline and a big injury on defense. And we didn't bring our big guns. Get over it. It's freaking preseason. These games never ever amount to anything.

[cobrajet]

GOOD:

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL  3m3 minutes ago

Initial diagnosis on Timmy Jernigan is he may have dodged a serious injury according to a source

Thank God, it was my main concern!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[52520Andrew]

Backups didn't do anything good really although we learned that back at the Saints game so this more confirms it. Would imagine we see Ozzie make some moves once cuts come rolling if he likes anyone.

[jazz1988]

Did someone really say Boldin? Really.

This would not work for so many reasons.

1. WR is not the issue. We're fine. Perriman is not nearly as bad as you think he is.

2. The niners are not going to trade a 7th rounder for their best offensive player.

3. Like SSR, HE'S OLD. Will probably retire soon.

4. Too damn expensive.

Trades don't happen often. At times it's not captually possible/the few good players a team has, the more they want to keep.

In fact. most good starting corners are probably deemed untouchable because they're a rare commodity. I am pretty sure no one will trade a starting corner for anything less than a second rounder. Why would any team take less.

And finally.. It's preseason and we're banged up. Our starters looked fine. We haven't seen Perriman yet. At the very worst he's a Torrey Smith clone. Which is not a bad floor to have, as Torrey was actually a pretty good player. Not a number one WR but a very good number two. We had a make shift oline and a big injury on defense. And we didn't bring our big guns. Get over it. It's freaking preseason. These games never ever amount to anything.

 

I don't think the wide receiver group is a issue but I think as fans it would have been nice to see more out of our other receivers besides Steve Smith. I been hearing good things about AIken in training camp but haven't been able to see much in preseason from him. Marlon  Brown was open for some plays but he didn't really impress  alot. Waller seems like a good player with upside but you can tell he got overwhelm going up against starters. He struggled to get open in press coverage against Deangelo Hall whom actually coming off  a injury in which he  tore his acl twice in the same year .Campanaro looks like a play maker in the slot but has trouble staying healthy.

 

I think Perriman is going to be great but he's unknown at this moment and we as fans have no clue how good he is. I'm not panicking over the wide receiver group  but I just would have liked to see more plays being made by them without Steve Smith being on the field.

Edited August 30, 2015 by jazz1988

[52520Andrew]

Jamison HensleyESPN Staff Writer 

Ravens TE Crockett Gillmore on Redskins' trash talking: "It's like a mosquito. They just keep flying around and you just keep smacking them."

[codizzle]

Jamison HensleyESPN Staff Writer

Ravens TE Crockett Gillmore on Redskins' trash talking: "It's like a mosquito. They just keep flying around and you just keep smacking them."

Man I love Crockett

Gonna be a serious bully this year

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Man I love Crockett

Gonna be a serious bully this year

He's like a goon in hockey. I'm convinced he can take on the entire defense all at once. He's reached a Barney Stinson level of awesome

[52520Andrew]

Man I love Crockett

Gonna be a serious bully this year

 

I remember hating the pick at the time(along with 99% of the forum), seriously loving the fact that I can eat crow

[balfan23]

Yes, Crockett call was bogus, and no, Robinson did not, but Aiken did...  SMH...  refs got it bad for the Ravens already, and the season hasn't even started yet.

I'm telling you .. I hate to talk that way ... that the refs have it in for us, but man, it just seems like what I've seen these past 2 games has been hard to completely chalk up to incompetence. 

 

Not saying there is some league conspiracy against us, it is just as if we're branded among the officials as a team that goes outside the lines and they are looking at us under a microscope and ignoring what might be going on against us. 

 

With all the bad calls tonight, the most alarming thing is not granting a measurement for a 4th and short (which was actually a 1st and 10, if they hadn't botched that call too). I mean, c'mon ... that was at least close enough to warrant a measure to allow a coach a better idea of whether or not they should go for it. So, they not only don't give the measurement, we end up with a delay of game.

 

If this is going on into the regular season, I'm going to lose it. 

[sflegend89]

If you're basing this one reputation from previous years, then I agree. If you're basing this on preseason play, then to be fair you have to look at how those "elite" passing offenses have done in the preseason, as well. They have not been super impressive, either. Based on the preseason, the Bills and Jags have been the most impressive offenses in the conference thus far. Fortunately, preseason means little, so I'll just wait and see.

 

Not a knee jerk to the preseason unfortunately. That's how I felt before preseason even started and I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise. You look at what the Patriots did to us in the playoffs last year, what the Broncos did to us in 2013... and I see a similar scenario playing out again this year against those elite passing teams. Our offense will get theirs but ultimately our secondary will get picked apart and won't be able to get off the field, we will end up in a shootout which is not this team's style of play or recipe of success and our odds of winning will be slim. 

 

Like I said this is a very good team, as physical as anyone on both sides of the ball, can compete with anyone. But I don't see us beating those elite AFC teams. If I'm Ozzie I would trade a high draft pick for a game changer at the corner position, outside of uncontrollable things like injuries, another top tier corner is the only way I see us beating those elite teams. Jimmy and Webb were meant to be that in concept, Webb has proven to be unreliable and changed by injury, we have cap space and compensatory picks coming in that will aid the loss of a high draft pick, we need someone to fill Webb's shoes of who he was supposed to be.

[codizzle]

The good: oline made some huge holes even with ryan Jensen as the LT

- Crockett, Steve smith

- Daryl smith, will hill, bwill and Timmy side by side

-upshaw

- good to see Brooks and Wagner back on the field

The bad:

- defensive depth in general.. Really young in spots and it shows

- no WR stepping up

-PUnt returns

- pass rush outside of doom/sizzle?

The ugly:

The game thread

[balfan23]

I don't think the wide receiver group is a issue but I think as fans it would have been nice to see more out of our other receivers besides Steve Smith. I been hearing good things about AIken in training camp but haven't been able to see much in preseason from him. Marlon  Brown was open for some plays but he didn't really impress  alot. Waller seems like a good player with upside but you can tell he got overwhelm going up against starters. He struggled to get open in press coverage against Deangelo Hall whom actually coming off  a injury in which he  tore his acl twice in the same year .Campanaro looks like a play maker in the slot but has trouble staying healthy.

 

I think Perriman is going to be great but he's unknown at this moment and we as fans have no clue how good he is. I'm not panicking over the wide receiver group  but I just would have liked to see more plays being made by them without Steve Smith being on the field.

With Perriman and Camp out, I think the WR group is an issue. I think Aiken and Brown deserve roster spots, but I don't think we're going to be an effective offense if they have to be such a significant part of our offense. We need Perriman to be a steady #2, who is on the field for 70% of the snaps for us to be the kind of offense we need to be and Camp could really mix things up. 

 

However, Perriman has not been able to show us when it is we can expect that kind of play. Its going to take time and I can't imagine that being in the first half of the season given he's nowhere in sight. Camp is starting to worry me that he'll never be consistently on the field. So it is hard to say that our WR group is a bit of an issue. 

[balfan23]

Not a knee jerk to the preseason unfortunately. That's how I felt before preseason even started and I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise. You look at what the Patriots did to us in the playoffs last year, what the Broncos did to us in 2013... and I see a similar scenario playing out again this year against those elite passing teams. Our offense will get theirs but ultimately our secondary will get picked apart and won't be able to get off the field, we will end up in a shootout which is not this team's style of play or recipe of success and our odds of winning will be slim. 

 

Like I said this is a very good team, as physical as anyone on both sides of the ball, can compete with anyone. But I don't see us beating those elite AFC teams. If I'm Ozzie I would trade a high draft pick for a game changer at the corner position, outside of uncontrollable things like injuries, another top tier corner is the only way I see us beating those elite teams. Jimmy and Webb were meant to be that in concept, Webb has proven to be unreliable and changed by injury, we have cap space and compensatory picks coming in that will aid the loss of a high draft pick, we need someone to fill Webb's shoes of who he was supposed to be.

Someone at the level of a Josh Wilson trade would be about the best we could expect. I don't think a top tier corner is going to be put on the block at this point ... not by anyone. Even getting one that is starter worthy would be a challenge. 

[52520Andrew]

The ugly:

The game thread

 

+35

[beanfigger]

Not a knee jerk to the preseason unfortunately. That's how I felt before preseason even started and I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise. You look at what the Patriots did to us in the playoffs last year, what the Broncos did to us in 2013... and I see a similar scenario playing out again this year against those elite passing teams. Our offense will get theirs but ultimately our secondary will get picked apart and won't be able to get off the field, we will end up in a shootout which is not this team's style of play or recipe of success and our odds of winning will be slim. 

 

Like I said this is a very good team, as physical as anyone on both sides of the ball, can compete with anyone. But I don't see us beating those elite AFC teams. If I'm Ozzie I would trade a high draft pick for a game changer at the corner position, outside of uncontrollable things like injuries, another top tier corner is the only way I see us beating those elite teams. Jimmy and Webb were meant to be that in concept, Webb has proven to be unreliable and changed by injury, we have cap space and compensatory picks coming in that will aid the loss of a high draft pick, we need someone to fill Webb's shoes of who he was supposed to be.

 

I feel your anxiety here. I am hoping the secondary gets healthy and plays well together with the new pieces, at least well enough to not get stomped out against those teams. I think one thing that will help us tremendously is winning the division and getting a home game or two in the playoffs against those other teams you mentioned. We would have a much better opportunity to hang with them score-for-score at home, and perhaps get enough momentum to get a game changing turnover or hustle play that pushes us over the top.

[sflegend89]

Someone at the level of a Josh Wilson trade would be about the best we could expect. I don't think a top tier corner is going to be put on the block at this point ... not by anyone. Even getting one that is starter worthy would be a challenge. 

 

I agree, that's the most realistic scenario. Just something needs to be done at that position, we don't have the personnel there to deal with the elite passing teams which there are quite a few of in the AFC. Week 1 Jimmy can nearly take Demaryius Thomas out of the game but then Emmanuel Sanders will go bananas on Melvin/Webb/Arrington. We are just mismatches galore down the depth chart at corner. Like I said in a previous post it's not that they don't work hard, or that they aren't intelligent, or that we don't have good coaches. Sanders can just move and run routes in a way that none of those guys can cover. Even Caldwell will find himself getting open. 

 

We have a glaring weakness at #2 CB on down and it's going to be our achilles heel every time we face a team like the Broncos, Colts, or Patriots who can play that fast paced quick passing style that we historically cannot deal with over the last 2 years.

Edited August 30, 2015 by sflegend89

[RavensFanMania]

GOOD:

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL  3m3 minutes ago

Initial diagnosis on Timmy Jernigan is he may have dodged a serious injury according to a source

best news I've heard yet.

[allblackraven]

Jamison HensleyESPN Staff Writer 

Ravens TE Crockett Gillmore on Redskins' trash talking: "It's like a mosquito. They just keep flying around and you just keep smacking them."

 

There's my new sig