Perriman is NOT eligible for the PUP list!

[polynesian15]

so you are saying that if perriman misses a month of practice, while , just to spitball we'll say he had kept up on his cardio on the bike, and he is cleared to practice after that month... youre saying he needs an entire month after that just to learn how to get comfortable on his feet again?

 

if were talking about recovering from torn ACL/MCL surgery i would be willing to agree, but there is no way he needs an equal amount of time to learn how to play football again, if thats the case then he shouldnt be in the pros. he could be sidelined for 2 months and if he was fully healthy and cleared, it still wouldnt take any more than 2 weeks at the very max to get comfortable enough to play again, unless of course he is completely incompetent and uncoordinated, which i highly doubt is the case. youre overreacting and overstating by quite a large margin here

Are you saying that the exercise bike is a substitute for heavy strength training, sprinting, cutting and jumping?

I'm hypothesizing that he hasn't been able to do much (if any) activity with his knee because of his constantly delayed return. No one seems to know what's happening behind the doors, is he training in the gym everyday or relegated to stretching and other rehab work?

So far he's missed a month, he might miss another 2 weeks for all we know. You keep bringing up cardio machines, I just don't see how they relate to football conditioning. The exercise bike is nothing like sprinting, so while it may keep his heart rate up it'll do nothing for his sprint conditioning and it won't tax his knees. Sparing you joints, which you're forced to do during rehab, will detract from his on field sprinting performance. The wear and tear of sprinting and cutting is something he needs to build back up to once he's cleared for field activity.

Another factor is strength which quickly decreases during inactivty:

http://healthyaging.ku.dk/news/inactivity-reduces-peoples-muscle-strength/

(This article specifically states that cycling isn't sufficient in making up for lost strength)

 

That strength will have to be regained before he can subject his knee to the pounding of football again. 

If all of the above mentioned is the case, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see him until about mid season.

That's a lot of "if's" I know, but currently we don't have much to go on. 

Edited August 29, 2015 by polynesian15

[JoeyFlex5]

Are you saying that the exercise bike is a substitute for heavy strength training, sprinting, cutting and jumping?

I'm hypothesizing that he hasn't been able to do much (if any) activity with his knee because of his constantly delayed return. No one seems to know what's happening behind the doors, is he training in the gym everyday or relegated to stretching and other rehab work?

So far he's missed a month, he might miss another 2 weeks for all we know. You keep bringing up cardio machines, I just don't see how they relate to football conditioning. The exercise bike is nothing like sprinting, so while it may keep his heart rate up it'll do nothing for his sprint conditioning and it won't tax his knees. Sparing you joints, which you're forced to do during rehab, will detract from his on field sprinting performance. The wear and tear of sprinting and cutting is something he needs to build back up to once he's cleared for field activity.

Another factor is strength which quickly decreases during inactivty:

http://healthyaging.ku.dk/news/inactivity-reduces-peoples-muscle-strength/

(This article specifically states that cycling isn't sufficient in making up for lost strength)

 

That strength will have to be regained before he can subject his knee to the pounding of football again. 

If all of the above mentioned is the case, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see him until about mid season.

That's a lot of "if's" I know, but currently we don't have much to go on.

im afraid your comprehension is nonexistent and you have written a wall of text completely missing the point. This has nothing to do with an exercise bike, The bike was a simple mention in a much bigger scenario and that just seems to be the only thing you can focus on. What YOU are saying, is that whatever time he takes to recover, he needs the same amount of time to simply get comfortable running around again, so if his injury is healed up in a month, he will need another month of practice before he even sees the field in a game, even though he has been medically cleared, that's where you are just wrong because that is a severe overstatement

[polynesian15]

im afraid your comprehension is nonexistent and you have written a wall of text completely missing the point. This has nothing to do with an exercise bike, The bike was a simple mention in a much bigger scenario and that just seems to be the only thing you can focus on. What YOU are saying, is that whatever time he takes to recover, he needs the same amount of time to simply get comfortable running around again, so if his injury is healed up in a month, he will need another month of practice before he even sees the field in a game, even though he has been medically cleared, that's where you are just wrong because that is a severe overstatement

Wow this sucks, I usually like your posts. However, I think you're evading/ignoring my arguments.

I'm not sure if you're into athletic performance, anatomy, physiology etc. but I've been digging into it for quite some time. 

Neither of us know what Perriman is able to do with his knee at this point. Like I said earlier, I'm guessing he might only be doing light rehab stuff - that has been the premise of my posts the whole time.

Then you seemingly mention the use of cardio machines, as a way for Perriman to maintain his pre-injury shape. IF cardio machines have been his only physical activity since he went down, then (imo) he will not be in pre-injury shape at this point - or when and if he gets cleared during the next two weeks or so.

When I say cleared, I mean the doctors saying: "Your bruise/strain has now healed sufficiently for you to start gaining back what you lost in the weight room and running/cutting on the field."

Obviously (imo) you wouldn't have BP doing 400 lbs squats right at that point, IF all he's done for 4-6 weeks is light rehab and cycling.

Also, you're not gonna have him do all out sprints and full speed route running the next day. You've got to ease him back into it. Regaining lost strength, joint stability, "sprint" conditioning, explosiveness etc. is easily a 4 week process (imo).

He has healed very slowly, and needs to be slowly reintroduced to the physical elements of football. Again, this is my opinion which seems to displease you for some reason.

Sorry for the rant, never meant to attack you personally.

[JoeyFlex5]

Wow this sucks, I usually like your posts. However, I think you're evading/ignoring my arguments.

I'm not sure if you're into athletic performance, anatomy, physiology etc. but I've been digging into it for quite some time. 

Neither of us know what Perriman is able to do with his knee at this point. Like I said earlier, I'm guessing he might only be doing light rehab stuff - that has been the premise of my posts the whole time.

Then you seemingly mention the use of cardio machines, as a way for Perriman to maintain his pre-injury shape. IF cardio machines have been his only physical activity since he went down, then (imo) he will not be in pre-injury shape at this point - or when and if he gets cleared during the next two weeks or so.

When I say cleared, I mean the doctors saying: "Your bruise/strain has now healed sufficiently for you to start gaining back what you lost in the weight room and running/cutting on the field."

Obviously (imo) you wouldn't have BP doing 400 lbs squats right at that point, IF all he's done for 4-6 weeks is light rehab and cycling.

Also, you're not gonna have him do all out sprints and full speed route running the next day. You've got to ease him back into it. Regaining lost strength, joint stability, "sprint" conditioning, explosiveness etc. is easily a 4 week process (imo).

He has healed very slowly, and needs to be slowly reintroduced to the physical elements of football. Again, this is my opinion which seems to displease you for some reason.

Sorry for the rant, never meant to attack you personally.

im not displeased, just pointing out that you were, and still are making a severe overstatement. me mentioning the exercise bike was never a way of saying he keeps himself in playing shape, it was just me saying he is making an effort and he is keeping his body prepared in other ways, so when its time to get back to work he doesnt have to worry about getting his cardio back. 

 

the other point im trying to argue, is that it should never take that long to ease a professional athlete back into the sport, unless it was a severe injury and/or they missed a long period of time. lets say perriman were to miss 6 weeks of football activity before he is medically cleared, you are saying he would need a whole 'nother 6 weeks after that to ease himself back into the feel of the game, but if that were the case and he really needed THAT long just to get a feel for running and cutting and jumping, then i question his credentials as a pro. no professional athlete recovering from a relatively minor injury should need more than a quarter of the season  after being medically cleared, to basically learn how to play again.

[Tank 92]

so...........can Perriman go on the PUP list?

[polynesian15]

im not displeased, just pointing out that you were, and still are making a severe overstatement. me mentioning the exercise bike was never a way of saying he keeps himself in playing shape, it was just me saying he is making an effort and he is keeping his body prepared in other ways, so when its time to get back to work he doesnt have to worry about getting his cardio back. 

 

the other point im trying to argue, is that it should never take that long to ease a professional athlete back into the sport, unless it was a severe injury and/or they missed a long period of time. lets say perriman were to miss 6 weeks of football activity before he is medically cleared, you are saying he would need a whole 'nother 6 weeks after that to ease himself back into the feel of the game, but if that were the case and he really needed THAT long just to get a feel for running and cutting and jumping, then i question his credentials as a pro. no professional athlete recovering from a relatively minor injury should need more than a quarter of the season  after being medically cleared, to basically learn how to play again.

I guess I'm just speaking from my own experience with a bum knee. I struggled mightily to regain strength and stability in my joint, but of course I'm FAR from being a pro athlete. On top of that I don't have access to all the treatment Breshad has.

I would just rather they ease him in and let him fully recover and regain his strength before fielding him. Especially if the injury is more serious than we've been let to believe. Then again there's also the 'business' aspect, we need him to round off our WR corps.

Kind of a double edged sword, we really want to see him play but we also wan't him healthy for the season/playoffs/future. I wouldn't mind waiting until week 4 if that meant he was 110%.

Thanks for the heated debate Joey  and go Ravens!

[polynesian15]

so...........can Perriman go on the PUP list?

Oh my god, for the millionth time. YES, Perriman is eligible for the PUP.

[harfordravenfan]

My guess is he (a professional athlete) isn't sitting on the sofa eating doritos all day. He should be in just as good of shape as he was a month ago.

Sitting on sofa eating Doritos while reading this... no lie

[K-Dog]

Sitting on sofa eating Doritos while reading this... no lie

Cool ranch?  Regular ?

Come on, we need these so very important details.....

[PurpleCity5]

I think Perriman could be back by the first game. I mean from now until the season starts is a good 12 days. Hopefully he'll be healed by then and beginning to shake off the rust. I surely hope he has been dipped in that playbook doe.

[donkeyking64]

How, when he can't run to maintain his endurance?

Bike, Jump rope, Swim. There's also the "arm bike" which you could find in any physical therapy shop...doesn't do much for the entire body but will keep your upper body cardio intact

 

Anything of a metabolic nature. You don't necessarily have to be on your feet to maintain endurance although not being on your feet presents a new challenge. I would imagine he's doing a lot of trampoline and band work (elastic) for the knee and then primarily core, and hip work so that he's not starting from ZERO when he is cleared to run and cut.

 

Obviously you don't need a knee to do flys, bench, dumbell press etc etc etc so he should be ok as far as upper body strength is concerned. His biggest challenge, a second OBVIOUSLY will be the analysis of the game.

 

Someone mentioned ODB but ODB was used to lining up everywhere so that helped his comprehension. Not saying Perriman can't have a similar story, but I would have to think that that had something to do with his success

Edited August 30, 2015 by donkeyking64

[donkeyking64]

Depending on the level of comfort, some form of boxing could really help his wind out. Won't quite be the same as swimming, but it would be effective

[bertopr]

I've been saying it for a few weeks now..he probably tore his meniscus n had surgery. Idk why coach is so 007 with this stuff it's dumb. He's obviously hurt n the injury is to his knee there's no secret. Why the drama?? Just say what happened so the fans can move on.

Ps.Im still not a fan of Pees. We have talent it's just not showing. Or our def coaches aren't developing the players right or the scouts aren't analyzing prospects correctly. Looking at other teams makes me wonder. Glad to see brooks back. Hate to see high draft picks get hurt on st...especially when we keep 3-4 UDFA safeties on the active 53.

[terpmaniac]

Yeah I was getting a little frustrated with the question being asked. However new members may have missed it or some of these people might just be kids. Judging by some of the comments on here you would think that 75% of the users on here are 9 year olds...

I swear some of you toss and turn in bed at night worrying about Perriman. Jeez. He has a knee sprain. It does not require surgery. He is expected to be back at some time. I want him healthy and at full speed. Look around the NFL and there are teams dealing with more serious injuries and other issues(Pittsburgh Steelers)then we are. Its still 2 weeks before the first game. Lets wait and see where we are and for the love of god, have FAITH IN YOUR TEAM!

[757RavensFan]

I've been saying it for a few weeks now..he probably tore his meniscus n had surgery. Idk why coach is so 007 with this stuff it's dumb. He's obviously hurt n the injury is to his knee there's no secret. Why the drama?? Just say what happened so the fans can move on.

Ps.Im still not a fan of Pees. We have talent it's just not showing. Or our def coaches aren't developing the players right or the scouts aren't analyzing prospects correctly. Looking at other teams makes me wonder. Glad to see brooks back. Hate to see high draft picks get hurt on st...especially when we keep 3-4 UDFA safeties on the active 53.

 

What would the coaches and front offices gain by not disclosing he had surgery?  

 

Since you want the fans to move on, how about this, just assume he's hurt and he'll return when he's healthy. 

[bertopr]

How long u been part of Ravens nation?? Coach has kept surgeries a secret from the fans before...that's all I'm saying. Btw I'm not worried at all about this team we good, I just feel that we could be better.

Edited September 1, 2015 by bertopr

[bertopr]

Oh n how can the fans move on when every freaking day their asking the same freaking questions??

[757RavensFan]

How long u been part of Ravens nation?? Coach has kept surgeries a secret from the fans before...that's all I'm saying. Btw I'm not worried at all about this team we good, I just feel that we could be better.

 

Ok I'll play.  Name the last time they've kept a surgery a secret?

[1/28/01]

Ok I'll play. Name the last time they've kept a surgery a secret?

Yeah, I was gonna play as well. Should be fun.

[K-Dog]

Ohhhhh fun.

 

 

 

 

[Tru11]

[Gordo52]

Is he at least close to getting back yet?

[757RavensFan]

Is he at least close to getting back yet?

 

Considering the fact that he's not even running yet, my guess is no.  I'd be SURPRISED if we saw him before game 3. 

[Sami84]

Is he at least close to getting back yet?

 

no

 

makes the day or two statement one of the most ridiculous i have ever heard. 

 

He's going to be out for another 2 weeks and start training and will likely be ready for week 3.

 

it's a blessing is all i am hearing from him on his twitter.

[berad]

no

 

makes the day or two statement one of the most ridiculous i have ever heard. 

 

He's going to be out for another 2 weeks and start training and will likely be ready for week 3.

 

it's a blessing is all i am hearing from him on his twitter.

 

He just posted a detailed description of his ailment along with an MRI and CAT scan - he even addressed it to you!

 

edit - Shoot, he just took it down. Too slow, I guess. Maybe a guy's personal twitter isn't the best place to hawk for something like that?

Edited September 2, 2015 by berad

[757RavensFan]

Ok I'll play.  Name the last time they've kept a surgery a secret?

 

Crickets!!!

[rmw10]

The mindless speculation is ridiculous.  "He's for sure going to miss X amount of weeks."

 

Give it up.  You know nothing more than we do.  Does it suck that he's out?  Yes, and no one is denying that.  Is there any basis for any of these comments?  Nope.

[Sami84]

i said on the 8th of august that the staff were not being honest and if its a bone bruise it would take 2 months to fully recover.

[rmw10]

i said on the 8th of august that the staff were not being honest and if its a bone bruise it would take 2 months to fully recover.

 

Good for you.  Glad you know everything.

[757RavensFan]

He just posted a detailed description of his ailment along with an MRI and CAT scan - he even addressed it to you!

 

edit - Shoot, he just took it down. Too slow, I guess. Maybe a guy's personal twitter isn't the best place to hawk for something like that?

 

 

Perriman just posted this on his twitter and address it to Sami??