Wallers potential could mean a bright future in Baltimore.

[Purple_City39]

Well, it's possible he maybe doesn't know his speed yet and maybe they're still getting on the same page? Flacco was certainly off tonight, though, but let's see what happens.

Yeah I think that's the problem.  He sees 6'6, 240 and doesn't think "Torrey's speed".  And considering Waller didn't run many, if any, deep routes in preseason, it's not a surprise that Joe might not know how fast he is

[cushrinada1986]

1. McKinnie was out of shape in 2011 after spending the lockout working on his record label.  It was widely noted he was not in football condition and he clearly wore down as the season went on and this isn't even debatable.  Still at better LT option than Oher.

 

2. Ellerbe started 14 games in Baltimore but played in 46.  I'm starting to think you're arguing for the sake of it now.

 

3. The fact that you think 15% of the snaps means that McLellan is being used on the level of 2014 Suggs, Dumervile, Upshaw, or McPhee is confirming that you're just arguing for the sake of it.

 

4. So you just don't like Waller then.  Got it.  We'll agree to disagree as continuing to go back and forth is pointless.  You need a player to be proven to move on from a bum.  I need a player to have potential and would gladly play and unproven guy over a proven bum.

 

If your asking about the fascination for Waller objectively, I'll tell you my interest (won't call it fascination).  Unlike your comment, he's never really had catching issues.  He came into the league with huge questions on his route running outside of deep routes.  Paying attention to preseason, he ran nothing but underneath and short routes and managed to get open.  On plays he wasn't open he still did well to use his size to shield out guys.  As the preseason went on, he improved.  An early mistake on a screen pass was cleared up the next time that occurred.  If you watched more than just where the ball went, you'd see he got open often enough underneath.  In just two plays in the regular season, he did something no other WR has done yet and that's beat his man deep but was underthrown on both.  Considering the team needs a deep threat, it'd be nice to see the fastest healthy WR actually used as one.  The usual rebuttal here is that he gets jammed or starts slow when running.  The response there is that Torrey got jammed a lot also AND how slow Waller starts doesn't matter since he ran the 40 yards down field in the same speed as Torrey only he has better hands and a better catch radius.  Maybe he's worse at tracking the deep pass, who knows.  But sitting at 0-3 with your #2 only getting worse as games go on, I'd gladly take a shot at an unproven who at minimum is a better run blocker

I think Waller and to some extent Daniel Brown could be solid players if put in the right position to do so. Both are big WRs that can block out guys and be deep threats from their size. Say what you want about his route running, when ravens needed to get downfield to tie, Waller helped with 17 yards in one play, thats pretty clutch for a low draft players rookie year with very few targets. The kid has potential and talent and I bet if this was San Diego, Rivers would be making superstars out of Waller and Daniel right now. 

[Runnin Raven]

I'd like to see a replay of Waller's catch but can't find one.  Anybody got a link?  Impressed with how clutch that was.

[Guest]

First, I want to say that I was before and remain now a big McKinnie fan.  If we could get his 2011 or 2012 back would ANYONE take exception.   Granted, he's a bit older now.

 

 

Honestly i think everyone is missing the boat here. Everyone sees issue with the WRs except for Trestman and the Ravens. They aren't concerned about the WRs and when questions about getting Camp or Waller more snaps they are shot down for the most part. That article about Camp getting more snaps is a joke.

 

Yeah, I think all the guys at 2, 4, 5 and 6 get more  snaps now.

This kid is a BEAST ST player. I'm happy he got his first(?) catch tonight. I hope he continues to get some reps. He probably will now with Campanaro's injury (I didn't like seeing him carted off the field). 

 

He's been good on ST.  He's got ability. He needs reps and snaps.

Give this man some PT!

 

Agree.......focus with him.  He's got what it takes for the NFL

I'll say this, like in Oakland, again Waller had a (half) step on his man deep and again Joe underthrew it.  A back shoulder throw would have been better than the inside throw.  The defender was close but Waller had to slow down and reach over him for the pass.

 

It was good to see him get his first catch later in the game though.  He's averaging 18 yards per catch.....with one catch 

 

On that Raiders play Waller had his man beat.  That was a missed TD......I still think Waller ran a fly when he wasn't supposed to.

Yeah I think that's the problem.  He sees 6'6, 240 and doesn't think "Torrey's speed".  And considering Waller didn't run many, if any, deep routes in preseason, it's not a surprise that Joe might not know how fast he is

 

Waller isn't as clock fast as Torrey, but not by much........once he gets going that stride eats up ground. It's deceiving. He's gonna make separation greater the longer he runs. He also makes separation with his size. Joes needs to stop underthrowing him.

I'd like to see a replay of Waller's catch but can't find one.  Anybody got a link?  Impressed with how clutch that was.

His catch was more about a good turn post catch and nice acceleration.

[Guest]

Just past about halfway through the Williams Wired.   Simple pass, but he deftly turns to avoid Timmon's tackle and makes a quick 18 yards.

 

 

I'd like to see a replay of Waller's catch but can't find one.  Anybody got a link?  Impressed with how clutch that was.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Wired-Episode-5-Williams-Micd-Up-vs-Steelers/d6e2a00e-ced0-47fb-9927-0221761a238e