[News] Who Is Ravens' Deep Threat Without Breshad Perriman?

[January J]

Then why was Aiken never used as a deep threat since? Not once. I mean apart from that not-too-promising one try last Saturday...

I guess he would have been used as a deep guy at least once or twice last season if the coaches thought he was good enough for that...

we had Torrey last season... And we're only 2 preseason games in..

[ciro]

its one thing to wait for perriman to get back on the field but it seems his knee problems will be a chronic condition, we'll have to get used to him not being available at some points of the season, i would have recommended campanaro but his also another one who's often battling injuries. I would suggest getting someone who is released by another team and really hammering to joe to look for the under routes before he goes deep. sss said it before, joe will heave it out there when there is a receiver wide open in front of him.

[757RavensFan]

Truthfully,Torrey didn't catch many deep passes.  If I had to guess, we benefited more from the PI calls he drew deep than him actually catching anything.  I could be wrong but that's how I recall it. 

[RavensBaltimore]

You can convert deep passes without getting behind the defender, but besides Waller, who may not be ready to play a significant # of snaps, we don't have anyone who is good at winning jump balls either. Also, those types of throws, as well as back shoulder throws, aren't going to draw a deep safety if they don't respect the WR's speed. So the answer to the question is no one, unless Waller can develop earlier than expected. Hopefully Perriman will be back by Week 1, but if not, we're going to have to rely on short and intermediate passes, and we'll have to do it without anyone drawing much double coverage. Torrey missed pretty much the whole Dolphins game last year, and we scored 4 TDs, so it can be done.

[January J]

Certainly Aiken is not a deep threat. It would be foolish to send him deep.Frankly, I don't think we need a deep threat if we keep moving the chains. With the tight-ends and guys who can catch the ball and get separation, Trestman's offense can move the chains.Too many times, I've been frustrated with Flacco's deep throws. He rarely connects and even if he does the receiver has to adjust a lot to catch it.

it would be foolish not to utilize flaccos arm. I'm sure he's been frustrated with it too, bc rarely is it his fault when he doesn't connect- last year Torrey had a tough time tracking the ball. Aiken and Waller are both viable options. It's not all about speed, it's mainly about tracking the ball and just going up and snatching it. Aiken has the hands and Waller has the height. Yes Waller is down on the depth chart but that is irrelevant- trestman is going to utilize all of the receivers situationally regardless of where they're ranked on the depth chart. And hopefully perriman is back by week 1 anyway and this isn't even a question. Edited August 26, 2015 by January J

[Purple_City39]

Ozzie is 3 for 7 in first round picks since Joe was picked in 2008. He should seriously think about trading his number one for two's or bunch of three's and fours since he has more success in the later rounds.

How is he 3 of 7 since Joe was picked in 08 when the team didn't draft in the first round of 2010 or 2012?  So, by your standards, that would make Ozzie 3 of 5, with one of those two misses being a player who is still in his rookie preseason, right?

[January J]

How is he 3 of 7 since Joe was picked in 08 when the team didn't draft in the first round of 2010 or 2012? So, by your standards, that would make Ozzie 3 of 5, with one of those two misses being a player who is still in his rookie preseason, right?

exactly.

[cbrook1862]

How in the hell is Perriman not back yet, we need to prepare to start the REGULAR season WITHOUT Perriman, because if he's not back by now I don't know if he will be back by week 1. last week they said he would be back sometime next week, if he's not back by tmw I doubt he'll play vs the skin's, either his injury is worse than we think or the staff/Perriman are being too cautious. Play some football already.

Edited August 26, 2015 by cbrook1862

[stixfix69]

If you think of the WR who have gone down with ACL, or other injuries that will keep them out for the season, we should be happy that Perriman should be back soon....Not sure why he gets so much hate, i'm just happy we have a potential stud waiting in the wings....After all during OTA's no one could keep up with him, he was abusing all our DB's....

[January J]

If you think of the WR who have gone down with ACL, or other injuries that will keep them out for the season, we should be happy that Perriman should be back soon....Not sure why he gets so much hate, i'm just happy we have a potential stud waiting in the wings....After all during OTA's no one could keep up with him, he was abusing all our DB's....

exactly. I'm just thankful it's not something that's going to keep him out long term. Problem is most fans have no patience and they want everything right away, now now now. Instant gratification. That's the problem with society in general.

[Jim Giampaoli]

stixfix69: no one "hates the guy". It's the injury we all hate. We even hate the fact that the coaches and the front office allude to smoke and mirrors. We love Perriman. I'm sure all Raven fans love the fact that he is in our nest of clamors (thank you Mystigo Dragon for the meaning).

[rmcjacket23]

Ozzie is 3 for 7 in first round picks since Joe was picked in 2008. He should seriously think about trading his number one for two's or bunch of three's and fours since he has more success in the later rounds.

1. We haven't had 7 first round picks in that period... we've drafted four first rounders since we drafted Joe in 2008. They are Mosley, Jimmy, Elam and Oher.

 

I'll grant Oher and Elam as "busts" for the most part so far, so we're at 50% with first round picks currently. Overall, particularly given that the ADP of those four picks was 25th, that's pretty solid.

 

Now, if your goal was to include the draft picks we obtained by giving up our first round picks, it would look like this:

 

2010: We traded our first round pick for three players: Sergio Kindle (bust), Ed Dickson (bust), and Dennis Pitta (not a bust).

 

2012: We traded our first round pick for two players: Courtney Upshaw (not a bust) and Gino Gradkowski (bust).

 

So, we basically traded two players for five players. So had we not made those trades, and drafted just the players who weren't busts, would you have called them bad picks? If we took Pitta in the 2010 first round and Upshaw in the 2012 first round, would you have considered them to be busts?

 

I wouldn't, given where the draft position was.

[Bohica5]

Its Wednesday.....perriman practicing?? sit him out the year please and replace him with Tom Nelson.....

[Purple_City39]

Its Wednesday.....perriman practicing?? sit him out the year please and replace him with Tom Nelson.....

Sounds good.  Let's sit out our 1st round pick for the year because he missed some practice and preseason.  In his place we'll put a QB who converted to WR and looked good in one preseason game against 4th stringers and guys who will probably watch week 1 in a bar like some of us

[Drew P]

Run the ball. Get their safety to creep up.

[ravensrock007]

Something major with Perriman must be going on. Randy Moss says he still has the itch and is healthy if needed. Just saying

[Drew P]

Its Wednesday.....perriman practicing?? sit him out the year please and replace him with Tom Nelson.....

 

The entire Not Practicing report reads like the final 53.

[January J]

Its Wednesday.....perriman practicing?? sit him out the year please and replace him with Tom Nelson.....

no thank you. No rush, no worries.

[harfordravenfan]

1. We haven't had 7 first round picks in that period... we've drafted four first rounders since we drafted Joe in 2008. They are Mosley, Jimmy, Elam and Oher.

I'll grant Oher and Elam as "busts" for the most part so far, so we're at 50% with first round picks currently. Overall, particularly given that the ADP of those four picks was 25th, that's pretty solid.

Now, if your goal was to include the draft picks we obtained by giving up our first round picks, it would look like this:

2010: We traded our first round pick for three players: Sergio Kindle (bust), Ed Dickson (bust), and Dennis Pitta (not a bust).

2012: We traded our first round pick for two players: Courtney Upshaw (not a bust) and Gino Gradkowski (bust).

So, we basically traded two players for five players. So had we not made those trades, and drafted just the players who weren't busts, would you have called them bad picks? If we took Pitta in the 2010 first round and Upshaw in the 2012 first round, would you have considered them to be busts?

I wouldn't, given where the draft position was.

Although not dominant and penalties was frustrating ... oher was serviceable and healthy so he wasn't a complete bust IMO

[757RavensFan]

Its Wednesday.....perriman practicing?? sit him out the year please and replace him with Tom Nelson.....

 

Chill...

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Daniel Brown

 

Waller !!!

[Mystigo_Dragon]

1. We haven't had 7 first round picks in that period... we've drafted four first rounders since we drafted Joe in 2008. They are Mosley, Jimmy, Elam and Oher.

 

I'll grant Oher and Elam as "busts" for the most part so far, so we're at 50% with first round picks currently. Overall, particularly given that the ADP of those four picks was 25th, that's pretty solid.

 

Now, if your goal was to include the draft picks we obtained by giving up our first round picks, it would look like this:

 

2010: We traded our first round pick for three players: Sergio Kindle (bust), Ed Dickson (bust), and Dennis Pitta (not a bust).

 

2012: We traded our first round pick for two players: Courtney Upshaw (not a bust) and Gino Gradkowski (bust).

 

So, we basically traded two players for five players. So had we not made those trades, and drafted just the players who weren't busts, would you have called them bad picks? If we took Pitta in the 2010 first round and Upshaw in the 2012 first round, would you have considered them to be busts?

 

I wouldn't, given where the draft position was.

 

You must be speaking the truth, four have negged you! It irritated me that we traded our 1st Rd pick for Courtney, developed him,then let him walk!

[Fullblack_RAVEN]

W/O perriman, this team has no deep threat.

 

Sure, kamar aiken ran a 4.45 at his pro day. I haven't seen that 4.45 speed on the field yet. He's one of those guys that probably trained like heck to achieve a fast 40 but in reality is a 4.5-4.6 guy. Conversely, a guy that we used to have in jacoby jones ran a 4.5 coming out of college but looked like a 4.4 guy in games. Michael Campagnaro is not the answer, either. Besides his injury history, he's more of a quick burst guy. He isn't a stretch the field guy.

 

Waller may be that guy in the future but is raw right now. He needs to learn how to run better routes & get off the line w/ more technique. His technique & stiffness slow him down. Marlon brown & jeremy butler are possession receivers. Steve smith is too old to be the deep threat he once was for the duration of a season. Steve needs a guy that could stretch the field so that he doesn't need to deal with constant, tight coverage. I didn't mention the other bubble wr's on the roster because i feel they either won't make the team or aren't deep threats this team can rely on.

 

The harsh reality is this. If perriman can't go, this team will end up being a 10-20 yard passing team at best with an emphasis on tight end play. Think about the hernandez/gronk pats offense except w/ lesser talent at the qb and TE positions. They'll also throw to the rb a lot as expected because of trestman's influence. This offense will be predictable and far less dynamic w/o perriman. Flacco will have to be super precise with his throws in the short game. He'll be limited in what he and his big arm can do.

 

If you think about it, perriman is the most important WR on this team. This team has depth everywhere else. camp/steve are the short, strong possession guys that get in and out of their breaks w/ quickness & run great routes. Brown/Butler/aiken  are interchangeable as big, possession receivers. All 3 have good hands but don't get separation & can't stretch the field consistently. Waller has top end speed & stature but is so weak from a technical standpoint that you could interchange him w/ brown/butler. His lack of technique slows him down (it isn't his fault, though. Georgia tech was run heavy).

 

Perriman's the only wr of his kind on the roster. w/o him, flacco will be confined to doing stuff he did back when they didn't have torrey smith. Hopefully perriman can go. If not, i hope the defense is ready from a conditioning standpoint to stay stout until perriman comes back because i envision a crapton of 3 and outs if that's the case. 

[riseNConquer81]

we dont have one, because aldrick is fast, but thats about all he's good for and he wont be making the team.

next question.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Randy Moss says he still has the itch and is healthy if needed. Just saying

Sounds good to me. He'd be more productive than anyone currently on the roster.

Edited August 26, 2015 by I*Bleed*Purple

[huntrgathrr]

We weren't a deep ball offense last year and we wont be this year. The running game and play action will be our bread and butter. The deep ball will be used to keep defenses honest when they start bringing up the safeties.

This offense will be better than last year. Trestman is a really smart guy and has a lot of weapons. Execution and no turnovers is all we need to be one of the top 10 offenses in the NFL. With our defense that should amount to a great season.

[rmcjacket23]

You must be speaking the truth, four have negged you! It irritated me that we traded our 1st Rd pick for Courtney, developed him,then let him walk!

He's still on the team... he hasn't walked yet.

 

And for the record, I wouldn't say he's really "developed" as we would have expected. For me, hes sort of the same player he was 2-3 years ago. He's just a JJ type player who's great against the run and does what he's supposed to do.

[4everraven]

Have Aiken or Marlon shown they're that much better than Waller? I don't think so. Get Waller going with the 1's and see what he has. Waller with his measurables has a better shot at being a deep threat than Aiken or Marlon, IMO.

[Zeus]

Perriman injury is more serious than we're being told

[Purple Dawg 96]

Marlon is the man! But if they gonna throw into over and under coverage double coverage etc will not work! Face it the pats set Joe up putting the CB up on Torrey knowing Torrey would fly past him BUT the safety had over the top and got the INT! Please no more of that better routes double moves slants etc! Too too many weapons on deck! LETS DO THIS!