The Joe Flacco Thread (merged)

[Purple_City39]

PFF watches every single individual snap of a player, grades it, then cumulatively adds it for each individual player, then cumulatively adds it for every single player to make a grade for the unit as a whole.

NFL.com takes gray area stats and tries to make them black and white.

 

Tell me which sounds a little more efficient and trustworthy.

 

Where did you find these NFL.com offensive line rankings? I Googled it and found a link to some stats that show rushing by direction and total sacks allowed. 

 

And just so you know, sacks are a bit of a misleading stat. If a quarterback escapes the pocket and attempts to run, but doesn't make it pass the line of scrimmage, it can get credited as a sack, so with a mobile quarterback like Rodgers who likes to run, that'll inflate those sack numbers.

You have to also realize that run blocking a huge factor of those rankings.  Yanda was by far the best run blocking o-lineman in the league last season.  It wasn't close.  He was not the best pass blocking lineman but because his run blocking grade was so far ahead of the league, he was the best o-lineman according to them.  

[Static]

Look at the Bengals , they paid Dalton then invested in a team around him.

Now Look at us , for some reason paying Flacco is some kind of excuse as to why our O-line is terrible, our secondary is terrible , our recievers are terrible and our front 7 gave up 100yrds for the first time in a long time.

[BmoreBird22]

You have to also realize that run blocking a huge factor of those rankings.  Yanda was by far the best run blocking o-lineman in the league last season.  It wasn't close.  He was not the best pass blocking lineman but because his run blocking grade was so far ahead of the league, he was the best o-lineman according to them.  

They separate their grades between run blocking and pass blocking, but Yanda is absolutely one of the most elite pass blocking guards in the NFL and Evan Mathis was arguably a better run blocker.

[Purple_City39]

Look at the Bengals , they paid Dalton then invested in a team around him.

Now Look at us , for some reason paying Flacco is some kind of excuse as to why our O-line is terrible, our secondary is terrible , our recievers are terrible and our front 7 gave up 100yrds for the first time in a long time.

That's because people just blame everything on Joe's contract without actual knowledge.  We haven't lost a single player on account of Flacco's contract as of now.  His cap hit is at his highest so far and he's only 12th among QBs and all those other QBs have either a good o-line and/or a serious receiving threat.

 

Our cap issues come from paying all those standout defensive talents.  Over the years, McAliser, Reed, R.Lewis, Suggs, Ngata, and Webb have all had top 3 contracts for their positions at least once and a lot of those contracts have run together (Suggs, Ngata, and Webb all received their contracts between 2009 and 2012 for instance.  Then we paid Pitta and Rice who have played about a combined 22 games since receiving their contracts between 2012 and 2013

[beanfigger]

So one bad player should bring down the weight of the entire offensive line? Yeah, four good players should make up for one bad player.

If there's a whole in the bucket, it can't carry water.

[BmoreBird22]

If there's a whole in the bucket, it can't carry water.

When you have four elite pieces, you can make up for the deficiency of one weaker piece on an offensive line. And hey, I even acknowledged Newhouse was an issue, but that doesn't take away from the rest of the offensive line playing fairly well.

 

And I'm not trying to argue about Rodgers, simply pointing out that Rodgers has had a far more favorable situation and that it's very pitiful that the Ravens have done so little to build up the skill positions around him. They've done fairly well to attack the offensive line (but built poor depth) and figured everything else would solve itself if they did that.

Edited October 8, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[Static]

I can name A LOT of contracts on this team that are worse than Joes

[beanfigger]

When you have four elite pieces, you can make up for the deficiency of one weaker piece on an offensive line. And hey, I even acknowledged Newhouse was an issue, but that doesn't take away from the rest of the offensive line playing fairly well.

And I'm not trying to argue about Rodgers, simply pointing out that Rodgers has had a far more favorable situation and that it's very pitiful that the Ravens have done so little to build up the skill positions around him. They've done fairly well to attack the offensive line (but built poor depth) and figured everything else would solve itself if they did that.

I'm kind of on your side of the overall argument and comparison of the teams. I still believe that Rodgers was given elite weapons that Flacco never had, but I can't see how anyone can argue that he didn't have a poor line for a number of years. I don't care if it was because of one or two players, the line wasn't good. I never said Flacco had an outstanding line that whole time, either, but I think it is very obvious that Flacco's play is more dictated by the play of his line, while Rodgers play is more dictated by the play of his receivers.

[gtalk12]

All known issues with Flacco vanish come playoff time. All of the sudden he senses the blitz and is accurate with his throws. At this point because we've seen him do it I'd say it's more a lack of focus. I don't know what else to say about it lol

[Edgar]

If someone gets open deep on Sunday, given it may very much be an uncommon occurrence,Joe needs to put it on him.

[The Mom Gene]

If someone gets open deep on Sunday, given it may very much be an uncommon occurrence,Joe needs to put it on him.

 

I'd love to see Givens do something out there Sunday.  The guy has me pretty excited, just to see what he can do in such a short period of time.

[beanfigger]

I'd love to see Givens do something out there Sunday. The guy has me pretty excited, just to see what he can do in such a short period of time.

I'm excited, too, especially because I think it'll be a planned deep, timing throw instead of a last minute, bail out throw. I think it'll look much better with Flacco in rhythm than it does after he scrambles or dances around for a few seconds. This is what I was excited to see with Perriman, too, but looks like Givens is first.

[usmccharles]

I'm excited, too, especially because I think it'll be a planned deep, timing throw instead of a last minute, bail out throw. I think it'll look much better with Flacco in rhythm than it does after he scrambles or dances around for a few seconds. This is what I was excited to see with Perriman, too, but looks like Givens is first.

I get so nervous when Joe rips a deep one, i honestly just assume its an interception.  Especially now when we have no deep threats, its like....who could possibly be that far down the field..

[FlackAttack]

I get so nervous when Joe rips a deep one, i honestly just assume its an interception.  Especially now when we have no deep threats, its like....who could possibly be that far down the field..

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^ every time he winds up for a big throw its basically 50/50 chance it gets intercepted or extremely close. it urks the hell out of me. pretty much the only thing that gets under my skin during a game. id rather him just play conservative than have the huge arm everyone yearns for.

[gooftroop]

It does puzzle me when Joe follows up a perfectly placed bullet on a twenty-yard out with an underthrown 45-yard lob pass...

[usmccharles]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ every time he winds up for a big throw its basically 50/50 chance it gets intercepted or extremely close. it urks the hell out of me. pretty much the only thing that gets under my skin during a game. id rather him just play conservative than have the huge arm everyone yearns for.

yea but its a catch 22.  if he has a conservative arm, does he connect the miracle at mile high? the sb throw? i know what you mean, but honestly Joe reminds me of Favre in a way.  He will make dumb plays throughout the game then make that one insane great throw that redeems it all.  Gotta take the good with the bad.  I dont want an alex smith

[FlackAttack]

yea but its a catch 22.  if he has a conservative arm, does he connect the miracle at mile high? the sb throw? i know what you mean, but honestly Joe reminds me of Favre in a way.  He will make dumb plays throughout the game then make that one insane great throw that redeems it all.  Gotta take the good with the bad.  I dont want an alex smith

 

dont get me wrong, he can throw the ball deep. but with the weapons he has at the moment, flacco needs to make smarter decisions. his turnover ratio is through the roof.

 

mentioned it himself earlier this week

Edited October 9, 2015 by FlackAttack

[beanfigger]

Anyone who visits ESPN.com has probably read the Hensley article, but it's worth mentioning here that Flacco is about to move past Jaworski's consecutive start streak into sole possession of fifth best all time for QBs. To put that in perspective, Jaworski owned the record before Brett Favre broke it. Since then, Peyton, Eli, and Rivers (last two are also current streaks) have passed Jaworski. However, this is something that we fans are spoiled with. Joe's streak is now about to be alone in fifth all time and already is second all time to start a career to Peyton. Our opponent this week has had 14 different starting QBs since Flacco started his streak. Congrats Joe.

 

(Only 11 more seasons to go to catch Brett...)

[flynismo]

I can name A LOT of contracts on this team that are worse than Joes

I can name 51 contracts on this team worse

[K-Dog]

I can name 51 contracts on this team worse

Post of the day.

 

I am gonna go play Candy Crush now....

[Moderator 3]

Post of the day.

I am gonna go play Candy Crush now....

I already used all my lives. :-(

[ravensdan]

I already used all my lives. :-(

Song pop!

[Dfence4champs2052]

LOL Thomsula has that same look Joe has when something goes wrong. I hope Joe stays healthy this year and eventually breaks Favre's streak. But I also hope alot of things like he passes Roethlisbooger's SB rings. But not looking good with no defense or WRs.

[callahan09]

This must be what Falcons fans were feeling like the past 2 years with no defense.  Matt Ryan is a good QB, as is Joe, but without some help from the defense you aren't going to win many games.  Hell, Matt Ryan at least had an elite corps of pass catchers to help him out, Joe doesn't even have that but we're still putting up points that ought to be enough to win.

Edited October 12, 2015 by callahan09

[flynismo]

This must be what Falcons fans were feeling like the past 2 years with no defense.  Matt Ryan is a good QB, as is Joe, but without some help from the defense you aren't going to win many games.  Hell, Matt Ryan at least had an elite corps of pass catchers to help him out, Joe doesn't even have that but we're still putting up points that ought to be enough to win.

Possibly the worst defense in the NFL; quite an accomplishment when you look how bad some other defenses are. Easily the worst WR corp in the league. Now that Monroe is back, our OL might improve to mediocre. Which would be fitting, since he has been mediocre his entire career. Our ST is mediocre, at best. It is absolutely stunning that we could just as easily be 5 - 0 as 1 - 4 right now. Makes me really wonder how far Flacco could have gone on a better team the last five years.

[beanfigger]

Possibly the worst defense in the NFL; quite an accomplishment when you look how bad some other defenses are. Easily the worst WR corp in the league. Now that Monroe is back, our OL might improve to mediocre. Which would be fitting, since he has been mediocre his entire career. Our ST is mediocre, at best. It is absolutely stunning that we could just as easily be 5 - 0 as 1 - 4 right now. Makes me really wonder how far Flacco could have gone on a better team the last five years.

I highly doubt any other defense has given up 6 out of 6 leads (and all becoming instant deficits) that it's held during regulation time for the season (all in the second half, five out of six in the fourth quarter). I think you can remove the word "possibly" from your post. Numbers mean little when you fail 100% of the time.

[flynismo]

I highly doubt any other defense has given up 6 out of 6 leads (and all becoming instant deficits) that it's held during regulation time for the season (all in the second half, five out of six in the fourth quarter). I think you can remove the word "possibly" from your post. Numbers mean little when you fail 100% of the time.

The homer in me wants to defend them and give them the benefit of the doubt...or at least think that someone else has it worse than us...but, sadly you are right, I shouldn't kid myself, "possibly" implies that there is room for debate, and there is no room for debate on that matter.

[jimmypowder]

Think of what this team would look like with Smith Sr,Anquan & Torrey as our receivers with Anquan in the slot. 

 

I think we would be 5-0 or 4-1 easily,even with a terrible defense. 

Edited October 12, 2015 by jimmypowder

[flynismo]

In light of the fact that our Flacco led offense just dropped 30 pts throwing to Aiken, Brown, two rookie TEs and a guy off the practice squad, I think people can stop with the nonsense about how he "needs talent around him to succeed", or that he does not elevate the play of the guys around him. People talk about how SSS doesn't deserve to go out like this -- and he doesn't -- well, neither does Flacco. His teammates have cost him two trips to the SB (possibly three, if we can assume that we would have won against NE in 2009/2010), and countless regular season games. He is the lone bright spot of a miserable season

[Ravens2343]

In light of the fact that our Flacco led offense just dropped 30 pts throwing to Aiken, Brown, two rookie TEs and a guy off the practice squad, I think people can stop with the nonsense about how he "needs talent around him to succeed", or that he does not elevate the play of the guys around him. People talk about how SSS doesn't deserve to go out like this -- and he doesn't -- well, neither does Flacco. His teammates have cost him two trips to the SB (possibly three, if we can assume that we would have won against NE in 2009/2010), and countless regular season games. He is the lone bright spot of a miserable season

 

On top of that you wont hear Flacco complain one time or make excuses.  He is an absolute professional and great QB who goes to battle everyday no matter who is there or not.  In his press conferences it would be easy for him to use injuries or lack of talent around him as an excuse but he just goes out and competes each week