The Joe Flacco Thread (merged)

[Tru11]

 

 

if he where on the ravens for the past 8 years he would still been as a much better QB then flacco is right now.

 

given our strong defense and running game back them we might have won more SBs....

[AsianRice]

Discussion about Flacco never ends; people just don't realize what they got until it's gone......

[52520Andrew]

Discussion about Flacco never ends; people just don't realize what they got until it's gone......

 

He is the best QB we have ever had on the Ravens. 

 

I think some people go out of their way to praise the guy and will deflect blame on anyone else but then you have people who do the exact opposite as well.

 

Flacco is just such a weird QB though as well, makes for interesting discussion.

[1/28/01]

He is the best QB we have ever had on the Ravens.

I think some people go out of their way to praise the guy and will deflect blame on anyone else but then you have people who do the exact opposite as well.

Flacco is just such a weird QB though as well, makes for interesting discussion.

I agree with this 100%. There are those who point the finger at him at all costs and then those who do not allow him to be criticized at all. And yes, he is a strange one. I would say he has the biggest range of a QB when it comes to ability and what you get on the field. Meaning, he can stink it up like a 6th round draft pick getting his first start in the NFL, yet the next week go off completely with 4 or 5 TDs, threading every single pass like no other.

[AsianRice]

I agree with this 100%. There are those who point the finger at him at all costs and then those who do not allow him to be criticized at all. And yes, he is a strange one. I would say he has the biggest range of a QB when it comes to ability and what you get on the field. Meaning, he can stink it up like a 6th round draft pick getting his first start in the NFL, yet the next week go off completely with 4 or 5 TDs, threading every single pass like no other.

sounds like my woman.....

[3-4ravdef509]

I agree with this 100%. There are those who point the finger at him at all costs and then those who do not allow him to be criticized at all. And yes, he is a strange one. I would say he has the biggest range of a QB when it comes to ability and what you get on the field. Meaning, he can stink it up like a 6th round draft pick getting his first start in the NFL, yet the next week go off completely with 4 or 5 TDs, threading every single pass like no other.

 

Basically one week we're like "Yeah! That's Joe Flacco!"

 

Next week we're like "...Yep....that's Joe Flacco"

[1/28/01]

Basically one week we're like "Yeah! That's Joe Flacco!"

Next week we're like "...Yep....that's Joe Flacco"

Ha, yup.

[beanfigger]

Only one team has Aaron Rodgers. We aren't them, but even he is obviously not enough to just win the Super Bowl every year. We are one of the handful of teams that has a QB good enough to compete for one every year, and that makes me proud. He's far from perfect, but it's crazy to think he holds us back. We picked him as the second QB in 2008, and it wasn't until 2012 that another QB was picked that I would even consider to be a real upgrade. That should be comforting enough. We've won a Super Bowl with him and are in contention for another every year. How lucky are we to have not played a meaningless game for the last seven seasons?

[flynismo]

I like the description a few posts up, saying he has the widest range of skill...Flacco can go from one extreme to the other in the same game, much less week to week. I think a big reason for that is the lack of talent around him. If his guys make one play each week the first three weeks, we are 4-0 atop the division

[3-4ravdef509]

I like the description a few posts up, saying he has the widest range of skill...Flacco can go from one extreme to the other in the same game, much less week to week. I think a big reason for that is the lack of talent around him. If his guys make one play each week the first three weeks, we are 4-0 atop the division

The story of his career is almost made up by the plays his receivers didn't make. I've never seen a quarterback have his receivers let him down as often or in as many big moments as we've seen happen to Joe.

Or the times the defense has completely let him down.

Edited October 6, 2015 by 3-4ravdef509

[flynismo]

The story of his career is almost made up by the plays his receivers didn't make.

Man, that is depressing, never thought of it that way, but so very true. TJ, Dickson, Evans, Boldin...all dropped potential game winning passes in the postseason. And good lord... don't even want to try to count all the regular season games our receivers literally let slip through their hands, how many last minute defensive meltdowns the defense gave away...and Hauschka and Cundiff...smh

But here we are, complaining that Flacco (and the offense) wasn't dominant enough in a game we WON

Edited October 6, 2015 by flynismo

[BSHU_Miami]

Man, that is depressing, never thought of it that way, but so very true. TJ, Dickson, Evans, Boldin...all dropped potential game winning passes in the postseason. And good lord... don't even want to try to count all the regular season games our receivers literally let slip through their hands, how many last minute defensive meltdowns the defense gave away...and Hauschka and Cundiff...smh

But here we are, complaining that Flacco (and the offense) wasn't dominant enough in a game we WON

with another game winning drive by Flacco.....come to think of it he should have 4 game winning drives this year if...Steve catches that pass in week 1 and if The defense holds in week 2 and 3.

[PurpleCity5]

Im done with this whole thing about Flacco honestly. Just ask Cleveland, Chicago, or San Fransisco about QB play.

[ravensdfan]

Im done with this whole thing about Flacco honestly. Just ask Cleveland, Chicago, or San Fransisco about QB play.

What is ironic about them is that when we played them in the SB, Kap was a better QB than Flacco according to most in this forum. Now he has both Boldin & Torrey who "made Flacco look good" according to this forum. How's that working out ?

[HoldingCall]

Imagine if Joe had a guy like Julio his whole career.... 

I am not disputing anything but since Joe has never had a Julio Jones type receiver, no can cannot say to what extent the difference will be. Also, just a very few QBs in the NFL will ever have the opportunity to play with a receiver of Julio's quality.  

 

On the positive side, we have seen the difference Derek Mason, Anquan Boldin, and Steve Smith made. From that we can assume what can happen with a younger top quality receiver. 

[HoldingCall]

Man, that is depressing, never thought of it that way, but so very true. TJ, Dickson, Evans, Boldin...all dropped potential game winning passes in the postseason. And good lord... don't even want to try to count all the regular season games our receivers literally let slip through their hands, how many last minute defensive meltdowns the defense gave away...and Hauschka and Cundiff...smh

But here we are, complaining that Flacco (and the offense) wasn't dominant enough in a game we WON

Fans need something to talk about. I believe the majority understand that drops, fumbles, penalties, missed throws, bad officiating, bad field goal attempts, and injuries etc are a part of the game.

 

p.s. Almost overlooked, bad coaching.

[gtalk12]

Joe has struck me as "I run the plays coach tells me to run"

 

Question, should Joe have more control of the offense? Call audibles to his choosing based on what he sees? It seems like coach gives him 2 choices and Joe picks one sometimes at the line....

[Tru11]

Joe has struck me as "I run the plays coach tells me to run"

 

Question, should Joe have more control of the offense? Call audibles to his choosing based on what he sees? It seems like coach gives him 2 choices and Joe picks one sometimes at the line....

 

i think he can audible out of a play.

 

not sure if he can change routes.

 

should be no reason he should not have full control of the offense tbh.

[StingerNLG]

if he where on the ravens for the past 8 years he would still been as a much better QB then flacco is right now.

 

given our strong defense and running game back them we might have won more SBs....

 

So you are suggesting that Lee Evans would have magically caught that pass in the endzone?

[Tru11]

So you are suggesting that Lee Evans would have magically caught that pass in the endzone?

 

im saying that rodgers is better then flacco.

 

how you wanna take that is on you.

[callahan09]

im saying that rodgers is better then flacco.

 

how you wanna take that is on you.

This conversation makes me laugh.  Rodgers is arguably the best QB of all time in terms of pure skill and performance on the field, all variables considered.  Not-so-arguably the best working today.  What difference does it make if Rodgers is better than Flacco?  There's only one Rodgers, and 31 teams don't have him.

[flynismo]

What is ironic about them is that when we played them in the SB, Kap was a better QB than Flacco according to most in this forum. Now he has both Boldin & Torrey who "made Flacco look good" according to this forum. How's that working out ?

ha! Kinda like how I distinctly recall arguing about how Schaub could not hold Flacco's jockstrap...ironic who is backing Flacco up now...or Stafford or Bradford... or Vick... could go on, but yeah...someday people will realize stats mean little.

I remember reading about trestman over the summer....they were saying he is great for your qb stat line, if you don't mind sacrificing stats for wins....how prophetic

[flynismo]

Joe has struck me as "I run the plays coach tells me to run"

Question, should Joe have more control of the offense? Call audibles to his choosing based on what he sees? It seems like coach gives him 2 choices and Joe picks one sometimes at the line....

I honestly don't think so. There are very few Mannings to have ever played. Even guys like Brady and Rodgers are limited in what they can do. From my understanding, Brady is limited just like Flacco, except he has three choices, whereas Flacco has two plays to audible to. The OC are there for a reason; I think you should let them control the game

[Dfence4champs2052]

The story of his career is almost made up by the plays his receivers didn't make. I've never seen a quarterback have his receivers let him down as often or in as many big moments as we've seen happen to Joe.

Or the times the defense has completely let him down.

 

Yet they have basically refused to bring in help. Never could understand this.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

What is ironic about them is that when we played them in the SB, Kap was a better QB than Flacco according to most in this forum. Now he has both Boldin & Torrey who "made Flacco look good" according to this forum. How's that working out ?

Kaepernick is the greatest QB the cardinals have ever had okay?

It's too bad that he's traded too often. Last week was to GB, this week as to New York. Go figure.

Edited October 7, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

As I have said prior. Flacco is inconsistent as all hell, but can get you to the postseason and will win you big games... He's good enough to win a SB and is easily a franchise QB...

What more could you want? Everything else after that is kind of a luxury tbh.

[kassaiscool]

I have been known around here to critic Joe, but I still respect him a lot for some of his attributes. First of all hes probably the most durable QB off all time, behind Brett Favre. Its a blessing to this team they don't have to guess whos gonna QB every week like some of these other teams. Hes tough as nails with a big arm. He also won't cause any controversy. But some of things I don't like about him are, his feel in the pocket when the rush is around him and hes ducking and dodging when he has room to step up. His accuracy whether it be a deep ball or an easy pass he makes difficult by throwing off his back foot. The thing about his game that frustrates me the most is his accuracy at times, He has a stronger arm than more than 99 percent of the QB's in the game, but hes probably middle of the pack or lower with accuracy. He will underthrow, overthrow, or just flat out miss one to many times for my liking. And I also question his ability to recognize blitzes at times, because I seen him get sacked sometimes and he has absolutely no clue where its coming from. All in all i Feel lucky to have him as our Qb, because it was a lot worse before, so I can't be to angry at his flaws. Also I still question the drafting decisions at the receiver position with this organization.

[usmccharles]

I have always been on the Joe wagon, hes what this organization needed for a long time, sadly he got here towards the end of some of our greats career.  I can live with his inaccuracy, just something i think we all have gotten used to.  One minute he will make the worst throw you could imagine and then the next drive throws a pass that you cant see any other qb making except maybe Rodgers because they both have incredible arm strength.  I just hate his pocket awareness. When it collaspes he becomes peyton manning and dances so intensely, then gets sacked.  We all remember the troy palamolo blitz in the playoffs...smh. 

 

If the FO ever got him weapons earlier in his career we could have seen an even better Joe, but he has relied on a run game and a defense most of his career, finally now getting out there really slinging the ball, just no one to throw to. 

 

Sidenote/off topic-  I know its been debated before about if said WR was with said QB would he be as good?  I think we all think about Rodgers, Manning, Brady as those three that can make a top WR out of anyone.  I know some disagree with the mentality of a QB making a WR, then i think of James Jones.   Dude didnt even have a job and was cut by two teams (i think) and now im pretty sure hes a top WR in TDs and looks damn good out there.  Not really going anywhere with this, just was stating it because of how many times that convo has happened on here.  

[BSHU_Miami]

i think he can audible out of a play.

 

not sure if he can change routes.

 

should be no reason he should not have full control of the offense tbh.

If the playbook changes every single year that cant happen, Most QB's thataudible WR routes have familiarity with the personall and the playbook, unfortuenately for Joe he's never had continuity.

[Tru11]

This conversation makes me laugh.  Rodgers is arguably the best QB of all time in terms of pure skill and performance on the field, all variables considered.  Not-so-arguably the best working today.  What difference does it make if Rodgers is better than Flacco?  There's only one Rodgers, and 31 teams don't have him.

 

if you paid attention someone was talking about what if we had dalton instead of flacco and i took that with what if we had rodgers then flacco.

 

although most believe rodgers is better , there are a few who apparently think flacco is better lol.