The Joe Flacco Thread (merged)

[BmoreBird22]

Flacco makes an easy pass to Steve against the Raiders we might have won that game.

We're 1-3 with a good chance to win the next 2. I'm just going to try and enjoy the ride...

That was still very much a catchable pass from Flacco. I know it wasn't the best throw, but given the anticipation that it took to throw that before the pick even happened, I can't fault either too much. Should have been caught, but it is what it is. 

[flynismo]

We wouldn't have to have these discussions every week if Flacco had 2 things... a solid offensive line and a couple legitimate weapons.

According to some of these people here, that is an indication that Flacco can't carry the team and "needs talent around him to succeed"....as if there is any (successful) QB in the NFL who doesn't need plenty of talent to help out.

 

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, Ben...not a coincidence that they all have a lot of other talented players aside from themselves in their offenses. Where's Joe's supporting cast?

 

I mean seriously...every possible card in the deck has always been stacked against Flacco.

 

Does he play in a cupcake division? No, in fact he plays in a division that has arguably fielded the best defenses over the years.

 

Stability at OC, a consistent scheme? I already touched on that earlier. This type of instability has ruined careers.

 

Glutton of weapons on offense? Puh-lease. He has done more with less than any QB in recent memory.

 

At least have an OL that protects him? A couple years, he did have that, but...yeah, that was far from the norm.

 

Incredible what he has overcome, and to still reach the level of play he has.

Edited October 3, 2015 by flynismo

[beanfigger]

According to some of these people here, that is an indication that Flacco can't carry the team and "needs talent around him to succeed"....as if there is any (successful) QB in the NFL who doesn't need plenty of talent to help out.

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, Ben...not a coincidence that they all have a lot of other talented players aside from themselves in their offenses. Where's Joe's supporting cast?

I mean seriously...every possible card in the deck has always been stacked against Flacco.

Does he play in a cupcake division? No, in fact he plays in a division that has arguably fielded the best defenses over the years.

Stability at OC, a consistent scheme? I already touched on that earlier. This type of instability has ruined careers.

Glutton of weapons on offense? Puh-lease. He has done more with less than any QB in recent memory.

At least have an OL that protects him? A couple years, he did have that, but...yeah, that was far from the norm.

Incredible what he has overcome, and to still reach the level of play he has.

Just give me that O-line. The rest will take care of itself.

[1/28/01]

Joe is an easy scapegoat for all uneducated so-called RAVENS fans !! Im soo glad he doesn't give a rats butt what they think

He's not infallible. Calm down.

[Tank 92]

According to some of these people here, that is an indication that Flacco can't carry the team and "needs talent around him to succeed"....as if there is any (successful) QB in the NFL who doesn't need plenty of talent to help out.

 

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, Ben...not a coincidence that they all have a lot of other talented players aside from themselves in their offenses. Where's Joe's supporting cast?

 

I mean seriously...every possible card in the deck has always been stacked against Flacco.

 

Does he play in a cupcake division? No, in fact he plays in a division that has arguably fielded the best defenses over the years.

 

Stability at OC, a consistent scheme? I already touched on that earlier. This type of instability has ruined careers.

 

Glutton of weapons on offense? Puh-lease. He has done more with less than any QB in recent memory.

 

At least have an OL that protects him? A couple years, he did have that, but...yeah, that was far from the norm.

 

Incredible what he has overcome, and to still reach the level of play he has.

That's what I don't get with some on these boards that are hyper critical of Flacco. I can somewhat understand their misconceptions about other QBs because they don't watch them as closely and understand their respective situations. But to not grasp and recognize the level of the challenges that Joe has faced throughout his career is naive and silly.

[flynismo]

That's what I don't get with some on these boards that are hyper critical of Flacco. I can somewhat understand their misconceptions about other QBs because they don't watch them as closely and understand their respective situations. But to not grasp and recognize the level of the challenges that Joe has faced throughout his career is naive and silly.

Here's a thought...what if another fax scandal went down and Joe ended up in Cincy, with that OL protecting him, throwing to AJ, Ertz, Sanu and Jones, with Hill and Bernard running the ball...and we got Dalton?

I'll just leave it at that and let people stew on that for a minute

[Tru11]

Here's a thought...what if another fax scandal went down and Joe ended up in Cincy, with that OL protecting him, throwing to AJ, Ertz, Sanu and Jones, with Hill and Bernard running the ball...and we got Dalton?

I'll just leave it at that and let people stew on that for a minute

 

if by some miracle this happens with GB and we end up with rodgers , im all for it.

[Tank 92]

if by some miracle this happens with GB and we end up with rodgers , im all for it.

You think he would do well with the Ravens' O line and WR corps?

[flynismo]

if by some miracle this happens with GB and we end up with rodgers , im all for it.

uh, yes please...just think...we passed on him to take Mark Clayton...

Edited October 4, 2015 by flynismo

[flynismo]

You think he would do well with the Ravens' O line and WR corps?

He'd do better than Flacco...but he might be the only qb in the league I woud say that about...

[Tank 92]

He'd do better than Flacco...but he might be the only qb in the league I woud say that about...

Better? Yes. But if he was in the Ravens' O for the past 8 years I doubt he would be considered the best as he is now.

[Purple_City39]

uh, yes please...just think...we passed on him to take Mark Clayton...

I'm a big fan of Joe but this is the one thing that's bothered me for years.  We left Aaron Rodgers sitting in the green room so we could draft Mark Clayton and keep Kyle Boller at QB.  Ouch.  Rodgers is the only QB I feel could do more with what Joe's had the last 7+ years

[hawkprey]

When you have no receiving threats, your passing game is playing uphill. The defense is free to blitz and disguise coverages because they have nothing to worry about in the secondary. You're not gonna see creative blitzes against a team with Dez Bryant or the like, unless you also want to see a TD. It makes playing QB a lot harder. You can look at the great QBs around the league and not see INTs like the one against Pittsburgh, but you also won't see them play coverages like that.

[redrum52]

I'm a big fan of Joe but this is the one thing that's bothered me for years. We left Aaron Rodgers sitting in the green room so we could draft Mark Clayton and keep Kyle Boller at QB. Ouch. Rodgers is the only QB I feel could do more with what Joe's had the last 7+ years

No one knows how Rodgers develops on our team.

[redrum52]

When you have no receiving threats, your passing game is playing uphill. The defense is free to blitz and disguise coverages because they have nothing to worry about in the secondary. You're not gonna see creative blitzes against a team with Dez Bryant or the like, unless you also want to see a TD. It makes playing QB a lot harder. You can look at the great QBs around the league and not see INTs like the one against Pittsburgh, but you also won't see them play coverages like that.

That's exactly what you do to good qbs. You play regular coverages they've seen before you will get carved up.

[ravensdfan]

How about the misconception that Joe is not a "leader".

@gdowning14: After last night’s win, Joe Flacco went around the locker room to shake hands with every player to congratulate them on the win.

Also the one to tell Harbaugh (in so very nice and discreet terms) stop playing around and let Tuck win the game lol

[The Mom Gene]

Guys, can we please stop the bickering?  Thank You!

[flynismo]

Better? Yes. But if he was in the Ravens' O for the past 8 years I doubt he would be considered the best as he is now.

No question. Between this offense, and this division, we'd be saying the same about him as we are about Joe now..."imagine if he had some weapons and a little protection"

[StingerNLG]

As I've said before Joe's inconsistencies are a product of the people around him.  Let's be honest NO OTHER QB in the league goes through as many OC's and QB Coaches as he does.

 

In fact, right now without looking it up can you tell me who Joe's current QB coach is? 

 

Steve Smith has been great.   But wouldn't it have been nice to have kept Anquan Boldin, and just paid him his contract?   That would have been a big help.   Of course Torrey Smith after flashing his smile and saying "I'm keeping the fact I live in Baltimore a factor in my decision too.........how much?   Nevermind B-more I'm out......peace", he's gone.   Fun fact, he has all of 7 catches for 131 yards and 1 touchdown so far this season.   Enjoy playing with Colin Kapernick dude, you earned it.

 

Not his own fault, but what would he be like if he had Pitta on the field healthy these last couple years?  Now he's working with yet ANOTHER new set of rookie TE's and Crockett Gillmore.  

 

Against the Browns Flacco's WR's will be Kamar Aiken as the #1 (let that sink in for a minute), Marlon Brown, Waller, and maybe this new guy Chris Givens who we got for a bag of footballs.   And we still don't know if Eugene Monroe will be ok next week.  

 

ALL THAT, and Flacco still manages to keep the Ravens in games and put us in position to win them.   Including finally the defense stopping Pittsburgh and us beating them Thursday night.

 

My biggest issue is that he goes through all that, has to run for his life, never has open receivers, and then he gets a ton of crap because THE ONE TIME that someone happens to suprise the other team and probably our own and finds his way open Joe misses the pass.  Somehow he gets judged on THAT.    It's crazy.

 

Anyway, that's my rant.  I bet Joe Flacco having a gamechanging receiver on this team like the other great QB's get to have and this thread doesn't even exist.

[flynismo]

No one knows how Rodgers develops on our team.

I never considered that too much; but...I mean, Rodgers sat behind Favre for three years before starting. That is invaluable. Coming here, he would have been in a competition with Boller (lol), but...let's just say that some people say our horrible supporting casts destroyed Boller's confidence, which in turn destroyed his career. While I don't buy that, it does demonstrate the massive difference between being bred for greatness in GB (sitting behind Favre, inheriting a great offense, playing in a weak division defensively) and coming here.

[flynismo]

My biggest issue is that he goes through all that, has to run for his life, never has open receivers, and then he gets a ton of crap because THE ONE TIME that someone happens to suprise the other team and probably our own and finds his way open Joe misses the pass.  Somehow he gets judged on THAT.    It's crazy.

 

Trust me....some people will find something to criticize him for no matter what. You're talking about fans who complained about winning on Thursday night against our bitter rivals. haha

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Trust me....some people will find something to criticize him for no matter what. You're talking about fans who complained about winning on Thursday night against our bitter rivals. haha

*Ravens blow out Cleveland. Flacco goes 24/25 with that one in completion being a drop*

Ravens fans: Flacco is obviously not a franchise QB. You can clearly see based off of the one in completion that his footwork is horrible and that he's not accurate at all. He's a bum... Cut him... 

[flynismo]

*Ravens blow out Cleveland. Flacco goes 24/25 with that one in completion being a drop*

Ravens fans: Flacco is obviously not a franchise QB. You can clearly see based off of the one in completion that his footwork is horrible and that he's not accurate at all. He's a bum... Cut him... 

Start Tyrod

start Schaub!

Edited October 5, 2015 by flynismo

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Start Tyrod

start Schaub!

We obviously picked the wrong QB. 

[redrum52]

I never considered that too much; but...I mean, Rodgers sat behind Favre for three years before starting. That is invaluable. Coming here, he would have been in a competition with Boller (lol), but...let's just say that some people say our horrible supporting casts destroyed Boller's confidence, which in turn destroyed his career. While I don't buy that, it does demonstrate the massive difference between being bred for greatness in GB (sitting behind Favre, inheriting a great offense, playing in a weak division defensively) and coming here.

I think if Flacco was in Rodgers situation he'd be a different qb as well.

I heard they worked on his mechanics and footwork a lot and I think they said had to change or work on his throwing motion and release. As you said too, sitting behind Favre helped.

[beanfigger]

No question. Between this offense, and this division, we'd be saying the same about him as we are about Joe now..."imagine if he had some weapons and a little protection"

I may sound like a broken record, but Aaron Rodgers really illustrates my point about the difference between whether QBs rely more on skill position weapons or O-line. Rodgers was able to do pretty well for a few years behind a line that could not protect him well and led to him being sacked amongst the most in the league. However, he has always had receivers that were tremendous route runners, can make excellent adjustments to the ball, have outstanding hands, and are super dangerous after the catch. Take those things away from him, and I don't see him thriving nearly as much. Therefore, I think if he was here with the same weapons Joe has had his whole career, he wouldn't be close to the guy who constantly leads the league in rating and wins MVPs.

Conversely, since I've stated many times that Flacco needs protection more than anything, I think that he would certainly have been better in GB's offense over the years, but not tremendously. The lack of protection would have affected Joe out there much more than it did Rodgers.

[StingerNLG]

We obviously picked the wrong QB. 

 

We laugh, but look at Tyrod.  Not a great QB, but he obviously learned quite a bit sitting behind Flacco and working with him and the various coaches here.   He grew here and seems to be able to pass just fine in Buffalo.

 

My only point here is that there IS something to be said to sit behind a winning QB for years.

[Tru11]

You think he would do well with the Ravens' O line and WR corps?

 

yup.

 

he would do much better.

 

you dont think he is a much better QB then flacco now ?

[ravensfan2430]

I have a theory about why Flacco is inconsistent early in the year, then gets better as the season progresses, and ultimately puts it all together at the end of the year/postseason.

I think it is a reflection of the instability/inconsistency of the offensive scheme itself. A new OC and scheme every single year will do that, and it takes time to adjust. Of course, it doesn't explain the occasional knucklehead pass attempt, but it would explain a heck of a lot

I always recognized that he has had lots of change at OC (throw in a QB coach or 2 as well), but never really thought about the fact that he usually plays his best football towards the end of the year. Good observation.

[Tank 92]

yup.

 

he would do much better.

 

you dont think he is a much better QB then flacco now ?

 

 

Better? Yes. But if he was in the Ravens' O for the past 8 years I doubt he would be considered the best as he is now.