The Joe Flacco Thread (merged)

[cobrajet]

I have a theory about why Flacco is inconsistent early in the year, then gets better as the season progresses, and ultimately puts it all together at the end of the year/postseason.

I think it is a reflection of the instability/inconsistency of the offensive scheme itself. A new OC and scheme every single year will do that, and it takes time to adjust. Of course, it doesn't explain the occasional knucklehead pass attempt, but it would explain a heck of a lot

I think you have a very good point, it makes a lot of sense to me.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Did I post something in here that was deleted?I got a notification saying that someone quoted a post I made but both their post and my post is gone and I don't remember what I said and I definitely don't remember saying anything worthy of being deleted.

Edited September 30, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[beanfigger]

Did I post something in here that was deleted?I got a notification saying that someone quoted a post I made but both their post and my post is gone and I don't remember what I said and I definitely don't remember saying anything worthy of being deleted.

It seems every conversation I had with everyone, including you, got deleted. I can't imagine why, as you and I and everyone else were acting very civil and having a regular conversation that pertained to the thread. I don't know.

[rmcjacket23]

It seems every conversation I had with everyone, including you, got deleted. I can't imagine why, as you and I and everyone else were acting very civil and having a regular conversation that pertained to the thread. I don't know.

We were accused of hijacking apparently (or at least I was).

[Moderator 3]

Even my post got deleted. :-(

[jimmypowder]

Someone made a very good point here and said Joe has been through a lot of OC's and could explain

some of his inconsistency early in the season and how he gets better as the season goes along and into the

playoffs.

I think it was a valid point .

[beanfigger]

Even my post got deleted. :-(

 

Someone's gone rogue!

 

Someone made a very good point here and said Joe has been through a lot of OC's and could explain some of his inconsistency early in the season and how he gets better as the season goes along and into the playoffs. I think it was a valid point .

 

Yes, this is a good point, and it applies to everyone on offense. The rest of the players, and even the coaches, all get more used to playing together in this system, and it shows.

[Tru11]

We were accused of hijacking apparently (or at least I was).

 

same here.

 

got a nice warning

[usmccharles]

Someone made a very good point here and said Joe has been through a lot of OC's and could explain some of his inconsistency early in the season and how he gets better as the season goes along and into the playoffs. I think it was a valid point .

 

 

Yes, this is a good point, and it applies to everyone on offense. The rest of the players, and even the coaches, all get more used to playing together in this system, and it shows.

This 1000x.  It gets very frustrating, especially when a guy like kubiak comes in and we look fantastic.  As soon as that happened i knew he would be gone.  Just like Pagano.  Just like our players.  If Joe had any continuity in offense, including the oline, he could have progressed so much more than he already has.  For once, id like to be able to keep our cordinators, but i dont think we will have to worry about anyone comming after Pees

[BmoreBird22]

I really hate the playoff run was a fluke crap. That's such a cop out answer. 

 

As if 2010 and 2011 weren't Joe Flacco priming himself for an incredible playoff run in 2012. If anyone says 2012 was a fluke, they did not watch those two years and see how much better Joe started to become and how much more efficient he became. I know most people will point out the game where he outplayed Tom Brady in Foxborough as that wake up moment, but he'd been doing it for the past three playoff games and that just cemented it in most people's minds. 

 

To dispute 2012, you'd have to discredit his body of work since 2010, which is a 6:1 TD:INT (24 TD's, 4 INT's) and about 250, 260 yards per game. Since 2010, he has had 6 passer ratings over 100.00 in 10 games, 5 of which were over 110.0, and only one below 90.0 (Pitt in 2010). So, we really wanna say that 10 games across four years were a fluke? Sure, 2012 was magical, but it was the same Joe Flacco we had been seeing, it just got more attention because it was a historic Super Bowl run. If it hadn't ended with the Lombardi, no one would call it a fluke, even if he had thrown 15 touchdowns, but because it did, people examine it more closely, but incorrectly.

 

Joe is a damn good postseason quarterback. I'd attribute that to a partial release of the reigns in the postseason. It seems that in the regular season, the offense is reigned in and it's kept fairly simple, but when the playoffs come, Joe is let loose and opponents are like, "Where were these plays in the regular season...?" 

Anyway, just thought I'd chime in. 

[BmoreBird22]

Oh, and I hate these people saying quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady would have won it and not lost it in the fourth quarter. 

In the Broncos game, that should have been won, but Steve Smith dropped a surefire touchdown. In Oakland, Joe fights back from two 10-point deficits and actually puts the team up, but the defense allows a last minute score, literally, I believe. Against Cinci, the team takes a lead, the Bengals respond, Joe responds, and then the defense lets up a score, again. Joe did just about everything he could and a penalty ruined it.

That's two games that he actually put the team in the position to win, only to be letdown by the defense, and one game that could have been won with a better player by the receiver. Now, that isn't to absolve anything that happened prior in the game, but it is to say that Joe put the team in a position to win in three straight weeks, actually taking the lead in two of the games in the fourth quarter. 

 

It is not easy to score on most defenses in the NFL, especially in the fourth quarter, unless you're Baltimore, so the fact that Joe was able to help the team fight back from two 10-point deficits and a 14-point deficit with his supporting cast should say quite a bit. 

[usmccharles]

I really hate the playoff run was a fluke crap. That's such a cop out answer. 

 

As if 2010 and 2011 weren't Joe Flacco priming himself for an incredible playoff run in 2012. If anyone says 2012 was a fluke, they did not watch those two years and see how much better Joe started to become and how much more efficient he became. I know most people will point out the game where he outplayed Tom Brady in Foxborough as that wake up moment, but he'd been doing it for the past three playoff games and that just cemented it in most people's minds. 

 

To dispute 2012, you'd have to discredit his body of work since 2010, which is a 6:1 TD:INT (24 TD's, 4 INT's) and about 250, 260 yards per game. Since 2010, he has had 6 passer ratings over 100.00 in 10 games, 5 of which were over 110.0, and only one below 90.0 (Pitt in 2010). So, we really wanna say that 10 games across four years were a fluke? Sure, 2012 was magical, but it was the same Joe Flacco we had been seeing, it just got more attention because it was a historic Super Bowl run. If it hadn't ended with the Lombardi, no one would call it a fluke, even if he had thrown 15 touchdowns, but because it did, people examine it more closely, but incorrectly.

 

Joe is a damn good postseason quarterback. I'd attribute that to a partial release of the reigns in the postseason. It seems that in the regular season, the offense is reigned in and it's kept fairly simple, but when the playoffs come, Joe is let loose and opponents are like, "Where were these plays in the regular season...?" 

Anyway, just thought I'd chime in. 

Great points.  Its always fun/frustrating talking to some fans about Joe and his SB run. Most are quick to just say it was our defense that won it for us mainly because of Ray retiring and it was the biggest story.  Fans of teams like the Falcons will never like Joe because he doesnt put up great regular seasons stats and i, like any other Raven fan id guess could careless about regular season because we know if we are in the playoffs Joe will give us a chance.  Last year he tore up the Pats secondary and did everything he could to win that game (i still blame torrey) but because it ended in an INT a lot of people want to blame Joe, he does get some of it.  Very few will ever give Joe the credit he deserves but most who know anything about football knows that Joe is an average inconsistent qb during the regular season and one of the best post season qbs in the league, honestly him and brady have to be considered the best. 

[rmcjacket23]

same here.

 

got a nice warning

When you get as many as I do, you don't even bother reading them anymore. Somebody complained about something, rinse repeat...

[Tru11]

When you get as many as I do, you don't even bother reading them anymore. Somebody complained about something, rinse repeat...

 

yeah same here

[Moderator 3]

How about the misconception that Joe is not a "leader".

@gdowning14: After last night’s win, Joe Flacco went around the locker room to shake hands with every player to congratulate them on the win.

[3-4ravdef509]

How about the misconception that Joe is not a "leader".

@gdowning14: After last night’s win, Joe Flacco went around the locker room to shake hands with every player to congratulate them on the win.

Seriously. Guy is a class act.

[PurpleCity5]

I really want a game this season where he doesn't throw a pick though. Not nagging on him, love the guy but the picks in crucial situations kill us. Can't blame the guy too much, no one is getting open. 

[Bltravens]

I really want a game this season where he doesn't throw a pick though. Not nagging on him, love the guy but the picks in crucial situations kill us. Can't blame the guy too much, no one is getting open. 

That and that defensive call was really ballsy by the Steelers DC, trap D disguised as man with the corner falling off and Timmons picking up the sidelines 15 yards down field...? What a call.

[Dewy101]

I'm glad he did that, but Flacco played a terrible game. He missed a lot of opportunities and a lot of inaccurate passes behind receivers.

[beanfigger]

Coincidence that the two games he didn't throw deep were his two worst games this year? He doesn't have to complete every one, but I'm convinced he has to at least attempt an early deep ball or two to settle in and start to dictate the game.

[PurpleCity5]

That and that defensive call was really ballsy by the Steelers DC, trap D disguised as man with the corner falling off and Timmons picking up the sidelines 15 yards down field...? What a call.

Yeah, teams don't do that often, Marlon could've been wide open.

[52520Andrew]

Coincidence that the two games he didn't throw deep were his two worst games this year? He doesn't have to complete every one, but I'm convinced he has to at least attempt an early deep ball or two to settle in and start to dictate the game.

 

I think the problem is he just doesn't like what he sees, I have seen him look deep quite a few times only to tuck it in and either dump it off or try to run/get sacked

[beanfigger]

I think the problem is he just doesn't like what he sees, I have seen him look deep quite a few times only to tuck it in and either dump it off or try to run/get sacked

I see that, too. I'm saying, he should just throw one anyway. It opens things up and relaxes the defense and him.

[SuggsBarber]

Oh, and I hate these people saying quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady would have won it and not lost it in the fourth quarter. 

In the Broncos game, that should have been won, but Steve Smith dropped a surefire touchdown. In Oakland, Joe fights back from two 10-point deficits and actually puts the team up, but the defense allows a last minute score, literally, I believe. Against Cinci, the team takes a lead, the Bengals respond, Joe responds, and then the defense lets up a score, again. Joe did just about everything he could and a penalty ruined it.

That's two games that he actually put the team in the position to win, only to be letdown by the defense, and one game that could have been won with a better player by the receiver. Now, that isn't to absolve anything that happened prior in the game, but it is to say that Joe put the team in a position to win in three straight weeks, actually taking the lead in two of the games in the fourth quarter. 

 

It is not easy to score on most defenses in the NFL, especially in the fourth quarter, unless you're Baltimore, so the fact that Joe was able to help the team fight back from two 10-point deficits and a 14-point deficit with his supporting cast should say quite a bit. 

That was hardly a sure fire touchdown;the ball ricocheted off of Smiths mask,it was not an easy catch.

[SuggsBarber]

Coincidence that the two games he didn't throw deep were his two worst games this year? He doesn't have to complete every one, but I'm convinced he has to at least attempt an early deep ball or two to settle in and start to dictate the game.

We really miss Torreys ability to draw p.i.calls.That was the majority of our deep ball offense.It earned him the nickname of 'Jump Ball Joe'.

[BmoreBird22]

That was hardly a sure fire touchdown;the ball ricocheted off of Smiths mask,it was not an easy catch.

It's a catch an NFL wide receiver should make. If it was tipped at all, it was barely, so Smith had to know where it was coming. He just inexplicably lost concentration

[riverrat]

Joe is an easy scapegoat for all uneducated so-called RAVENS fans !! Im soo glad he doesn't give a rats butt what they think

[riverrat]

We really miss Torreys ability to draw p.i.calls.That was the majority of our deep ball offense.It earned him the nickname of 'Jump Ball Joe'.

That's funny then why did Torry freeze in his shoes when he saw patriots safety closing on ball in playoffs,he easily could have drawn a pass interference or at least broke up int

[redrum52]

It's a catch an NFL wide receiver should make. If it was tipped at all, it was barely, so Smith had to know where it was coming. He just inexplicably lost concentration

Flacco makes an easy pass to Steve against the Raiders we might have won that game.

We're 1-3 with a good chance to win the next 2. I'm just going to try and enjoy the ride...

Edited October 3, 2015 by redrum52

[bmorefan444]

We wouldn't have to have these discussions every week if Flacco had 2 things... a solid offensive line and a couple legitimate weapons.  My biggest issue with Flacco in the past was his footwork, and he you can see he has worked hard on that over the last 2 years.  

 

2012 playoffs we're a beautiful thing for Flacco because he knew the O-line would protect him and he had a stable of receivers that he trusted. (mostly Boldin)