The Joe Flacco Thread (merged)

[BriGTi]

What I feel separates Joe from other top QB's is the ability to make due with what he has. All this talk about him not having this guy or that guy and it really shouldn't matter. Joe is streaky, when he is on he is on fire, when he isn't then we get threads like this. My problem is how other QB's like Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, can make virtually unknown players look like probowlers yet when Joe loses SSS and not having a 1st rd. pick play yet we can all argue that he has noone to throw to. 

At his level he should be able to make something happen with the little that he has. Be a leader and tell receivers what he wants them to do. I know he isn't a rah rah guy but I never see him talking to guys on the sidelines like other QB's do.

 

With all this said I blame the majority of this year to injuries. Few teams would be able to survive with the amount of loss that we have had so far this year and that along with some coachings issues has added up to where we were. Talk is about how bad we are yet in our 5 losses we lost by a combined 22 points and biggest defeat was by 6 points. Just imagine if we had half of our injuries back. 

Edited October 19, 2015 by BriGTi

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Offseason: " Man,'insert random UDFA WR on the practice squad here' is a stud.He just needs a chance.We don't need to sign 'insert proven FA WR whose name alone will get you a million negs in march'.Plus there's that other guy we drafted in the seventh round.We don't need to resign Torrey.We're crazy deep at WR.It's the deepest spot on the team."

 

 

Reg season: "What the heck?!!!Why is Flacco forcing the ball to one guy.Why is he forcing balls into bad coverages and throwing ints.Stop apologizing for him.Our receiving corp is solid.What is his problem?????"

[flynismo]

Here is a "stat" for you guys that love that stuff.

 

According to the Ravens PostGame Live crew....Joe Flacco is 0-8 whenever he throws the ball over 40x.  0-8!  Wow! 

 

Today he was 33/53, 343 yds, 2 TD's, 2 INT's.

 

This is NOT an air it out passing type of team imo!  The personnel is not there for it.  The Ravens have lost their "smashmouth" identity and need to re-establish that to help Flacco cause he needs that to excel...it's obvious!

 

That stat is dead wrong

[RaineV1]

Offseason: " Man,'insert random UDFA WR on the practice squad here' is a stud.He just needs a chance.We don't need to sign 'insert proven FA WR whose name alone will get you a million negs in march'.Plus there's that other guy we drafted in the seventh round.We don't need to resign Torrey.We're crazy deep at WR.It's the deepest spot on the team."

 

 

Reg season: "what the heck!!!Why is Flacco forcing the ball to one guy.Why is he forcing balls into bad coverages and throwing ints.Stop apologizing for him.Our receiving corp is solid.What is his problem?????"

And I wouldn't be shocked if the same thing happens this offseason.

[ravensdfan]

Offseason: " Man,'insert random UDFA WR on the practice squad here' is a stud.He just needs a chance.We don't need to sign 'insert proven FA WR whose name alone will get you a million negs in march'.Plus there's that other guy we drafted in the seventh round.We don't need to resign Torrey.We're crazy deep at WR.It's the deepest spot on the team."

 

 

Reg season: "what the heck!!!Why is Flacco forcing the ball to one guy.Why is he forcing balls into bad coverages and throwing ints.Stop apologizing for him.Our receiving corp is solid.What is his problem?????"

Yep everyone kept saying how our WR corps was deep and great and we'd be fine.

[ravensdfan]

QB's like Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, can make virtually unknown players look like probowlers yet when Joe loses SSS and not having a 1st rd. pick play yet we can all argue that he has noone to throw to. 

LOL You are aware that every one of those QBs has a top tier target or more than one right?

Edited October 19, 2015 by ravensdfan

[Purple_ICE 81]

He is the lone bright spot of a miserable season

Flacco, Forsett, and Steve Smith...at least they make games FUN to watch with their energetic electric playmaking ability despite all the losing.

[callahan09]

Flacco, Forsett, and Steve Smith...at least they make games FUN to watch with their energetic electric playmaking ability despite all the losing.

That Forsett to Flacco to Forsett flea flicker yesterday was a fun play to watch.  There have been fun and exciting moments in EVERY GAME this year.  That's actually pretty great from an entertainment perspective, too bad about all of them (but one) ending in a losing effort though.

[Cillmatic]

ANOTHER admission from Flacco today. why am I not surprised?

(Since Making a Flacco thread is considered spamming right now I'll just leave this here)

Ask yourself honestly, has Flacco improved AT ALL from his 2010 form? Ask yourself honestly,When the team struggles is he on the sideline talking to his WR's? Looking at the playbook? Nope. He's just sitting alone or laughing. I use to not worry about it but his NON CHALANT attitude in the last minute of the niners game was just awful.(walking). He's not a competitor like Wilson, rivers, Manning, Brady or even lower teir QB's like Dalton.

I use to be a Flacco defender but let's not sugar coat it. He has sucked. Throws off the back foot too much, manages to over throw and under throw WR's to no end, And STUPID picks are becoming his staple. And I don't care how our WR's are, the throws Flacco has thrown this season and MOST of the throws against the niners were just embarrassing. With his contract in need of restructuring and his agent being a professional jerk there's no doubt this will be a drawn out affair. If we pay him what he deserves(nowhere near what he's getting NOW) Joe and the agent won't accept it; leaving a MASSIVE cap hit. If this plays out that way I honestly have NO issue with trading him away.

if you look from the outside its obvious that Flacco stopped improving after 2010 and has been making dumber and dumber mistakes to the point where it looks like he's a rookie. He just isn't a good regular season QB and if you aren't good for 16 games you should probably be replaced. Am I just exgaggerating or what?

PS: his 2014 season was a Product of the system, best O-line in the league, third in rushing yards, best rushing average in the league, SSS and an EASY schedule.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Tru11]

could have gone in the misconception about flacco thread lol.

[Ravens2343]

ANOTHER admission from Flacco today. why am I not surprised?

(Since Making a Flacco thread is considered spamming right now I'll just leave this here)

Ask yourself honestly, has Flacco improved AT ALL from his 2010 form? Ask yourself honestly,When the team struggles is he on the sideline talking to his WR's? Looking at the playbook? Nope. He's just sitting alone or laughing. I use to not worry about it but his NON CHALANT attitude in the last minute of the niners game was just awful.(walking). He's not a competitor like Wilson, rivers, Manning, Brady or even lower teir QB's like Dalton.

I use to be a Flacco defender but let's not sugar coat it. He has sucked. Throws off the back foot too much, manages to over throw and under throw WR's to no end, And STUPID picks are becoming his staple. And I don't care how our WR's are, the throws Flacco has thrown this season and MOST of the throws against the niners were just embarrassing. With his contract in need of restructuring and his agent being a professional jerk there's no doubt this will be a drawn out affair. If we pay him what he deserves(nowhere near what he's getting NOW) Joe and the agent won't accept it; leaving a MASSIVE cap hit. If this plays out that way I honestly have NO issue with trading him away.

if you look from the outside its obvious that Flacco stopped improving after 2010 and has been making dumber and dumber mistakes to the point where it looks like he's a rookie. He just isn't a good regular season QB and if you aren't good for 16 games you should probably be replaced. Am I just exgaggerating or what?

 

I think you are exaggerating a little bit, but not that much.  Flacco has improved over the years I believe, but there is no doubt he needs talent around him to succeed.  I think the idea of him making players better has sailed and we need to get him better talent on the offensive side.  I may be in the minority but I love Flacco's attitude and demeanor, because you know when the games are tough and on the line he usually comes through.  This year is an anomaly and a lot of things are going bad that usually wont, but Flacco should be our starting QB for the next 5-7 years, if not for the fact it is unbelievably hard to find a competent one.  Id cut Flacco some slack, because when he has talent around him like last postseason, I would not want any other QB

[757RavensFan]

ANOTHER admission from Flacco today. why am I not surprised?

Ask yourself honestly, has Flacco improved AT ALL from his 2010 form? Ask yourself honestly,When the team struggles is he on the sideline talking to his WR's? Looking at the playbook? Nope. He's just sitting alone or laughing. I use to not worry about it but his NON CHALANT attitude in the last minute of the niners game was just awful.(walking). He's not a competitor like Wilson, rivers, Manning, Brady or even lower teir QB's like Dalton.

I use to be a Flacco defender but let's not sugar coat it. He has sucked. Throws off the back foot too much, manages to over throw and under throw WR's to no end, And STUPID picks are becoming his staple. And I don't care how our WR's are, the throws Flacco has thrown this season and MOST of the throws against the niners were just embarrassing. With his contract in need of restructuring and his agent being a professional jerk there's no doubt this will be a drawn out affair. If we pay him what he deserves(nowhere near what he's getting NOW) Joe and the agent won't accept it; leaving a MASSIVE cap hit. If this plays out that way I honestly have NO issue with trading him away.

if you look from the outside its obvious that Flacco stopped improving after 2010 and has been making dumber and dumber mistakes to the point where it looks like he's a rookie. He just isn't a good regular season QB and if you aren't good for 16 games you should probably be replaced. Am I just exgaggerating or what?

 

Joe showed vast improvement last year.  So yes he's improved since 2010.  However, he has regressed this year and it's bad.  So many backfoot throws this season have led to nothing but trouble.  

I do have an issue w/ the part I hi-lighted.  You can't say what Joe does and doesn't do on the sidelines. We don't know what he's saying/doing when the camera isn't on him.  

[ravensdfan]

ANOTHER admission from Flacco today. why am I not surprised?

(Since Making a Flacco thread is considered spamming right now I'll just leave this here)

Ask yourself honestly, has Flacco improved AT ALL from his 2010 form? Ask yourself honestly,When the team struggles is he on the sideline talking to his WR's? Looking at the playbook? Nope. He's just sitting alone or laughing. I use to not worry about it but his NON CHALANT attitude in the last minute of the niners game was just awful.(walking). He's not a competitor like Wilson, rivers, Manning, Brady or even lower teir QB's like Dalton.

I use to be a Flacco defender but let's not sugar coat it. He has sucked. Throws off the back foot too much, manages to over throw and under throw WR's to no end, And STUPID picks are becoming his staple. And I don't care how our WR's are, the throws Flacco has thrown this season and MOST of the throws against the niners were just embarrassing. With his contract in need of restructuring and his agent being a professional jerk there's no doubt this will be a drawn out affair. If we pay him what he deserves(nowhere near what he's getting NOW) Joe and the agent won't accept it; leaving a MASSIVE cap hit. If this plays out that way I honestly have NO issue with trading him away.

if you look from the outside its obvious that Flacco stopped improving after 2010 and has been making dumber and dumber mistakes to the point where it looks like he's a rookie. He just isn't a good regular season QB and if you aren't good for 16 games you should probably be replaced. Am I just exgaggerating or what?

LOL You do realize he just had his best year last season yes?

[757RavensFan]

I think you are exaggerating a little bit, but not that much.  Flacco has improved over the years I believe, but there is no doubt he needs talent around him to succeed.  I think the idea of him making players better has sailed and we need to get him better talent on the offensive side.  I may be in the minority but I love Flacco's attitude and demeanor, because you know when the games are tough and on the line he usually comes through.  This year is an anomaly and a lot of things are going bad that usually wont, but Flacco should be our starting QB for the next 5-7 years, if not for the fact it is unbelievably hard to find a competent one.  Id cut Flacco some slack, because when he has talent around him like last postseason, I would not want any other QB

 

Is this year really an anomaly? Because vs DEN, OAK, CIN, CLE Joe came through when the game was tough and on the line.  It was the defense that kept losing 4th QTR leads. Even vs DEN and OAK, Joe threw 2 TD passes to SSS at the end of the game that were dropped. 

[Cillmatic]

LOL You do realize he just had his best year last season yes?

Product of the system, best O-line in the league, third in rushing yards, best rushing average in the league, SSS being reborn and an EASY schedule.

PS: thanks for the merger Mods.thought I lost you.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Tank 92]

Product of the system, best O-line in the league, third in rushing yards, best rushing average in the league, SSS being reborn and an EASY schedule.

PS: thanks for the merger Mods.thought I lost you.

 

 

yeah, how could any QB not succeed and improve with the stable of receivers Flacco has here this year. In fact, in his 8 years in the NFL he's had so many weapons and such stability at OC that any other QB would be on the plane to Canton by now!    lol

[ravensdfan]

Product of the system, best O-line in the league, third in rushing yards, best rushing average in the league, SSS being reborn and an EASY schedule.

PS: thanks for the merger Mods.thought I lost you.

Product of the system - yeah a system that is NOT built in any fashion for a QB to be successful in today's NFL. It is a system designed for the 1960's.

 

Flacco is not even in the discussion for being the cause of our issues this season. In 4 of our 5 losses we have held the lead (sometimes MULTIPLE times) in the 4th quarter and the defense has crumbled. And even then in 3 of them, he has put the ball on the money and the WR/TE has failed to actually catch the ball to secure the winning TD.

 

Give Flacco some of those weapons all the other QBs have, stop switching systems, receivers, OCs etc every other year then we can discuss him not being worth his money if he fails. I can only imagine where Flacco would be on say, Atlanta with all those weapons Matt Ryan has had his entire career. Probably multiple SB titles.

[Ravens4Real]

LOL You are aware that every one of those QBs has a top tier target or more than one right?

A majority of them started off as nobody's and their QB's had a major part in making them who they are today. What he means, I believe, is Flacco has never been able to elevate guys from their original skill set. Which is why he isn't an elite QB.

[ravensdfan]

A majority of them started off as nobody's and their QB's had a major part in making them who they are today. What he means, I believe, is Flacco has never been able to elevate guys from their original skill set. Which is why he isn't an elite QB.

Name them. Name guys that those QBs have elevated that went elsewhere and bombed. I mean, one could say that of Torrey and Boldin, neither doing well right now (other than when they played our sorry defense). So with that argument, I guess Flacco elevated their play right?

 

That is a complete and unproven myth that a QB elevates his WRs. What sometimes can help with a receiving target is one or more top tier targets that must be considered. That means their best defenders are put on those guys, opening up opportunities for other guys.

 

With Boldin, Torrey and Pitta Flacco had an historic SB run. Now just imagine if he had a Gonzalez, Julio EVERY SINGLE YEAR what he could have accomplished. I love Boldin and Pitta but they are no Julio and Gonzalez.

Edited October 19, 2015 by ravensdfan

[BriGTi]

A majority of them started off as nobody's and their QB's had a major part in making them who they are today. What he means, I believe, is Flacco has never been able to elevate guys from their original skill set. Which is why he isn't an elite QB.

Yes this. Im not sure a Jordy Nelson would have been an elite talent with other QBs but Rodgers was great with him. 

Brady as much as I hate him makes guys nobody has ever heard of look pretty darn solid. 

Just don't see Joe doing that. Sure he made Boldin and SSS look like beasts but they already were when they came and were when they left/or leave. 

[ravensdfan]

Yes this. Im not sure a Jordy Nelson would have been an elite talent with other QBs but Rodgers was great with him. 

Brady as much as I hate him makes guys nobody has ever heard of look pretty darn solid. 

Just don't see Joe doing that. Sure he made Boldin and SSS look like beasts but they already were when they came and were when they left/or leave. 

Again, name them. Nelson didn't go elsewhere and bomb so that is at best conjecture on your part. I always love the "elevate their WRs" argument which has no basis in any fact at all.

[Tru11]

Product of the system - yeah a system that is NOT built in any fashion for a QB to be successful in today's NFL. It is a system designed for the 1960's.

 

Flacco is not even in the discussion for being the cause of our issues this season. In 4 of our 5 losses we have held the lead (sometimes MULTIPLE times) in the 4th quarter and the defense has crumbled. And even then in 3 of them, he has put the ball on the money and the WR/TE has failed to actually catch the ball to secure the winning TD.

 

Give Flacco some of those weapons all the other QBs have, stop switching systems, receivers, OCs etc every other year then we can discuss him not being worth his money if he fails. I can only imagine where Flacco would be on say, Atlanta with all those weapons Matt Ryan has had his entire career. Probably multiple SB titles.

 

how many teams have won a SB having ONLY weapons on offense?

[ravensdfan]

how many teams have won a SB having ONLY weapons on offense?

What do you mean? Our defense was ranked 18th that year.

 

No one said to ignore the defense anyway. Just to spread the love.

Edited October 19, 2015 by ravensdfan

[jazz1988]

Product of the system, best O-line in the league, third in rushing yards, best rushing average in the league, SSS being reborn and an EASY schedule.

PS: thanks for the merger Mods.thought I lost you.

 

wow Cillmatic  smh. 

[Ravens4Real]

Name them. Name guys that those QBs have elevated that went elsewhere and bombed. I mean, one could say that of Torrey and Boldin, neither doing well right now (other than when they played our sorry defense). So with that argument, I guess Flacco elevated their play right?

That is a complete and unproven myth that a QB elevates his WRs. What sometimes can help with a receiving target is one or more top tier targets that must be considered. That means their best defenders are put on those guys, opening up opportunities for other guys.

With Boldin, Torrey and Pitta Flacco had an historic SB run. Now just imagine if he had a Gonzalez, Julio EVERY SINGLE YEAR what he could have accomplished. I love Boldin and Pitta but they are no Julio and Gonzalez.

I'll start with Rodgers. He has had basically his WR core in tact. Greg Jennings has left and has bombed with every single other team he has been with. He was a pro bowler with them. James Jones has literally been cut by every other team but somehow with the Packers he is doing very well.

Brady. Literally none of his WR's were highly touted coming out of college. They were all middling pics. He has Gronk. Who would do well with any QB and a bunch of 5'10" white guys.

Big Ben. None of his WR's were highly touted either. He has a 3rd, 4th and 6th rounder as his WR's. The 6th rounder is the best of the bunch. With other QB's, Brown has done absolutely nothing. With Big Ben, he is one of the 3 best WR's in the game. Now how can that be possible if the Big Ben has nothing to do with how good the WR is?! Also, they did have Wallace and when with the Steelers, he was a pro bowler and had over 1,000 receiving yards. He has now been traded or signed by 2 different teams and has done nothing since.

But somehow, this has nothing to do with the QB's throwing them the ball and elevating their play? Lol, keep sippin that Purple Drank

[BriGTi]

Again, name them. Nelson didn't go elsewhere and bomb so that is at best conjecture on your part. I always love the "elevate their WRs" argument which has no basis in any fact at all.

Look up and down the stat lines of games and find all the guys that weren't first round talent. Its pretty easy. Other teams consistently do more with less. For us our later round/lesser talent guys don't do as much. So it's as much of an argument that Joe doesn't "elevate" talent is it is that we don't get those diamonds in the rough that seem to show up on every other team.  

[Tru11]

What do you mean?

 

Check the stats. The defenses of SB winning teams have, for the most part, ranked average or below average in recent years outside of the Seahawks.

 

they had below avg running games and special teams as well?

they had a bad o-line?

 

the falcons had plenty of issues since matt ryan got there.

all people focus are on the receivers he had and just ignore that team had plenty of issues he had to overcome.

 

so again im asking you what team has won a SB with only weapons on offense?

[ravensdfan]

wow Cillmatic  smh. 

Yes I know. Like we are known for our system that produces successful QBs.

[jazz1988]

Yes I know. Like we are known for our system that produces successful QBs.

 

To even say Joe Flacco is a product of Gary Kubiak system is silly. Flacco has been playing in non friendly quarterback system since 2008 up to 2012(half that season). The fact that the guy has been successful in such a non friendly quarterback system is impressive to me...He finally got better than average offensive coordinator in Gary Kubiak last year  and it's no surprise he had his best season since 2010 under him . 

 

I don't even think Marc Trestman is  a bad offensive coordinator but the only offensive weapon Joe Flacco can depend on his Steve Smith,  Kamar Aiken is stepping up  a  little and Crockett Gilmore has  had his moments as well but it's quite obvious The Ravens are missing another play making receiver which was suppose to be Perriman. 

[ravensdfan]

I'll start with Rodgers. He has had basically his WR core in tact. Greg Jennings has left and has bombed with every single other team he has been with. He was a pro bowler with them. James Jones has literally been cut by every other team but somehow with the Packers he is doing very well.

Brady. Literally none of his WR's were highly touted coming out of college. They were all middling pics. He has Gronk. Who would do well with any QB and a bunch of 5'10" white guys.

Big Ben. None of his WR's were highly touted either. He has a 3rd, 4th and 6th rounder as his WR's. The 6th rounder is the best of the bunch. With other QB's, Brown has done absolutely nothing. With Big Ben, he is one of the 3 best WR's in the game. Now how can that be possible if the Big Ben has nothing to do with how good the WR is?! Also, they did have Wallace and when with the Steelers, he was a pro bowler and had over 1,000 receiving yards. He has now been traded or signed by 2 different teams and has done nothing since.

But somehow, this has nothing to do with the QB's throwing them the ball and elevating their play? Lol, keep sippin that Purple Drank

LMBO Don't even with the Steelers. They have that "it" factor for hitting on WRs. And really. Brown? You mean with Vick throwing to him? Because he seemed to do just fine with Landry Jones throwing him the ball didn't he? One busted.

 

Brady struggled mightily until Gronk came back from injury. Two busted.

 

Jennings was on the decline long before he left GB. Just look at his performances in 2011 and 2012. Rodgers was still throwing him the ball then wasn't he? Three busted. That would be like saying Ed Reed was elevated by those around him here because he failed when he went to other teams.

 

James Jones? Hasn't touched 1,000 yds in any year. Hardly a case of being elevated. That one is beyond a reach. That fits the case I outlined of other targets taking the best defenders and opening up opportunities. James Jones has only even hit 800 yds once.