The Joe Flacco Thread (merged)

[ravensdfan]

In light of the fact that our Flacco led offense just dropped 30 pts throwing to Aiken, Brown, two rookie TEs and a guy off the practice squad, I think people can stop with the nonsense about how he "needs talent around him to succeed", or that he does not elevate the play of the guys around him. People talk about how SSS doesn't deserve to go out like this -- and he doesn't -- well, neither does Flacco. His teammates have cost him two trips to the SB (possibly three, if we can assume that we would have won against NE in 2009/2010), and countless regular season games. He is the lone bright spot of a miserable season

That needs his contract redone in the offseason. Have to wonder if he'll be sick of the BS and hold out for a trade to somewhere where they get it.

Edited October 12, 2015 by ravensdfan

[flynismo]

That needs his contract redone in the offseason. Have to wonder if he'll be sick of the BS and hold out for a trade to somewhere where they get it.

People forget that it is because of Flacco and Ryan that teams now expect rookie qbs to come in and make an immediate impact....we have had it so good for over seven years now, that even the FO takes him for granted (we figure he can win us games no matter how little we invest in a strong supporting cast for him). I'm sure he will redo his contract, he said the contract was always about respect, not money (thanks whiny Ravens fans).

[redrum52]

People forget that it is because of Flacco and Ryan that teams now expect rookie qbs to come in and make an immediate impact....we have had it so good for over seven years now, that even the FO takes him for granted (we figure he can win us games no matter how little we invest in a strong supporting cast for him). I'm sure he will redo his contract, he said the contract was always about respect, not money (thanks whiny Ravens fans).

Though, I believe Flacco and think he renegotiates, I almost never believe a player that says the contract is about respect. He honestly has no reason to redo anything.

Edited October 13, 2015 by redrum52

[usmccharles]

I just can't imagine If our FO was ever able to give flacco weapons like Ryan has had; Julio, white, Gonzalez, and Turner... Really? That's insane. It's sad to see the FO never give Joe anything to work with other than aging Wrs past their prime... Before this got the job done bc we had elite talent on the defense; Suggs, Reed, Ray, ngata, etc... At some point the FO needs to make the jump to grab an elite wr, FA is the best route considering our track record with gauging wr talent.

[ravensdfan]

I just can't imagine If our FO was ever able to give flacco weapons like Ryan has had; Julio, white, Gonzalez, and Turner... Really? That's insane. It's sad to see the FO never give Joe anything to work with other than aging Wrs past their prime... Before this got the job done bc we had elite talent on the defense; Suggs, Reed, Ray, ngata, etc... At some point the FO needs to make the jump to grab an elite wr, FA is the best route considering our track record with gauging wr talent.

Or perhaps, one time, don't hoard the picks and trade up. It is not unheard of.

[usmccharles]

Or perhaps, one time, don't hoard the picks and trade up. It is not unheard of.

I completely agree.  I wouldnt suggest a move like the Falcons to get Julio, that was a lot of draft picks, but all the years we were drafting in the mid 20s, maybe a pick in the late teens could of landed us a star wr.  Not too sure what wrs would have been available in the last couple years.  To see Joe do what he does with these weapons is impressive, makes me wonder what kind of career he would have if he went somewhere else ie especially Atlanta

[ravensdfan]

I completely agree.  I wouldnt suggest a move like the Falcons to get Julio, that was a lot of draft picks, but all the years we were drafting in the mid 20s, maybe a pick in the late teens could of landed us a star wr.  Not too sure what wrs would have been available in the last couple years.  To see Joe do what he does with these weapons is impressive, makes me wonder what kind of career he would have if he went somewhere else ie especially Atlanta

2014: Our pick was #17. Beckham went #12. Only 5 slots. Might have been able to make something happen there.

2013: Last pick and not feasible to attempt to make something happen here.

2012: Traded out of the first round but would have had pick #30. Received pick #35. Alshon Jeffrey was available.

2011: Can't find too much fault here tbh.

2010: We traded out of the 1st rd, again. Demarius Thomas went at #22.  Our original pick was #25 I believe. Could have made that happen. Tate went at #60 and we had 2 picks prior to that in the 2nd rd.

 

These are just quick hits and not researched much. These guys are not a Julio, but are also not a journeyman, a UDFA or a vet on his farewell tour. (love SSS, not knocking him here, just our history of getting those type of FAs). Also, these are things that absolutely we could have made happen if we didn't need an intervention for hoarding.

[usmccharles]

2014: Our pick was #17. Beckham went #12. Only 5 slots. Might have been able to make something happen there.

2013: Last pick and not feasible to attempt to make something happen here.

2012: Traded out of the first round but would have had pick #30. Received pick #35. Alshon Jeffrey was available.

2011: Can't find too much fault here tbh.

2010: We traded out of the 1st rd, again. Demarius Thomas went at #22.  Our original pick was #25 I believe. Could have made that happen. Tate went at #60 and we had 2 picks prior to that in the 2nd rd.

 

These are just quick hits and not researched much. These guys are not a Julio, but are also not a journeyman, a UDFA or a vet on his farewell tour. (love SSS, not knocking him here, just our history of getting those type of FAs). Also, these are things that absolutely we could have made happen if we didn't need an intervention for hoarding.

2014- We needed mosley though, i think that was a good pick, hes our LB of the future

 

2010- DT would of been nice, was that the year cowboys got Dez ahead of us? figures.

 

I have no hope in our ability to grab a WR in the draft, i hope BP can change that stigma

[flynismo]

Though, I believe Flacco and think he renegotiates, I almost never believe a player that says the contract is about respect. He honestly has no reason to redo anything.

 

Almost never being the key words there; Joe is as down to earth as a human being can be.

 

That said, I surely don't make Flacco money; quick math in my head is very staggering, I make about 2% of his annual income. He pisses more money away every morning than I'll earn in a year. But I have declined higher paying jobs for reasons that have nothing to do with money or the logistics of the job. I can certainly see how a guy how makes $20m a year could care less about the dollar amount, and more about the other things that come with the job

[callahan09]

Almost never being the key words there; Joe is as down to earth as a human being can be.

 

That said, I surely don't make Flacco money; quick math in my head is very staggering, I make about 2% of his annual income. He pisses more money away every morning than I'll earn in a year. But I have declined higher paying jobs for reasons that have nothing to do with money or the logistics of the job. I can certainly see how a guy how makes $20m a year could care less about the dollar amount, and more about the other things that come with the job

 

I once turned down a 20% raise to go work for a competitor because I didn't like the leadership at that company.  It turned out to be a great decision because when the company I work for got wind of their offer, they actually decided to give me a 20% raise to match what the competitor offered me.  And now that competitor is out of business.  But at the time I turned it down, it was just a gut thing, I just didn't feel like it was a good move despite a lot more money.

[redrum52]

Almost never being the key words there; Joe is as down to earth as a human being can be.

That said, I surely don't make Flacco money; quick math in my head is very staggering, I make about 2% of his annual income. He pisses more money away every morning than I'll earn in a year. But I have declined higher paying jobs for reasons that have nothing to do with money or the logistics of the job. I can certainly see how a guy how makes $20m a year could care less about the dollar amount, and more about the other things that come with the job

It's funny you picked almost. If you notice, my post was edited and almost was the only thing I added. The reason for that being, I think Joe is one of the exceptions.

[Winchester]

In response to Joe needing to play better. Give him another legit WR to line up with SS. Aiken and Brown are jokes. Perriman is a reach in round1. The defense is not going to be dominant. Trade for a legit starting NFL WR and give Joe cool a shot to carry this team. Not saying Joe cool needs a Julio Jones. Just a starting caliber WR that is going to get even better once he has a franchise qb throwing him the ball. Ozzie can not draft WRs so trade for a WR In his prime. I like Marqise Lee. Before minor injuries and a terrible freshmann QB he would have been a top 10 pick. He has blazing speed,lightning fast in his breaks,exceptional body control and good hands. He does need some polishing because he relied on his Immense talent. Just watch how even drafted corners played him. They were terrified of his speed. And unlike Torrey he can run good routes and catch in traffic. He does have minor injuries but for a round3-4 pick the ravens will not find such raw talent.

[Winchester]

Get Joe another legit WR to go with ss. Give him and the offense a shot to bail out the defense!!

[PurpleCity5]

Flacco has got to get better on the road. No question about it. He needs to clean up his play there. We've seen him dominate on the road before, so I hope he can improve on that. 

[3-4ravdef509]

That second int was something terrible

[Militant X 1]

Here is a "stat" for you guys that love that stuff.

 

According to the Ravens PostGame Live crew....Joe Flacco is 0-8 whenever he throws the ball over 40x.  0-8!  Wow! 

 

Today he was 33/53, 343 yds, 2 TD's, 2 INT's.

 

This is NOT an air it out passing type of team imo!  The personnel is not there for it.  The Ravens have lost their "smashmouth" identity and need to re-establish that to help Flacco cause he needs that to excel...it's obvious!

Edited October 19, 2015 by Militant X 1

[polynesian15]

Give Flacco a raise, he's very deservant of it.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Possibly the worst defense in the NFL; quite an accomplishment when you look how bad some other defenses are. Easily the worst WR corp in the league. Now that Monroe is back, our OL might improve to mediocre. Which would be fitting, since he has been mediocre his entire career. Our ST is mediocre, at best. It is absolutely stunning that we could just as easily be 5 - 0 as 1 - 4 right now. Makes me really wonder how far Flacco could have gone on a better team the last five years.

Flacco coulda should also been in 3 Super Bowls with what we've actually had

[usmccharles]

Here is a "stat" for you guys that love that stuff.

 

According to the Ravens PostGame Live crew....Joe Flacco is 0-8 whenever he throws the ball over 40x.  0-8!  Wow! 

 

Today he was 33/53, 343 yds, 2 TD's, 2 INT's.

 

This is NOT an air it out passing type of team imo!  The personnel is not there for it.  The Ravens have lost their "smashmouth" identity and need to re-establish that to help Flacco cause he needs that to excel...it's obvious!

He has no one to air it out to....

[Edgar]

That second int was something terrible

Made the first one seem a good decision.

[usmccharles]

Im a Joe supporter.  Joe has not been given any help and hes trying to do too much.  That being said, he needs to play a lot better, obviously. 

[polynesian15]

He has no one to air it out to....

Gillmore and Aiken have been solid when given a shot, Juice also seems to "capitalize" when he's involved.

Joe heavily favors Smith and when he can't find him open he starts doubting himself and procrastinates.

Not sure what happened with Joe during the Super Bowl run (possibly supporting cast which we can't afford with his current contract), but it's becoming obvious that it was sort of a fluke. He needs a good ground game and good receivers to avoid messing up. Thus the reason why I think he should be willing to take a cut.

I like him but he's an enigma - plays special at times during January but absolutely tanks during the regular season... 

Edited October 19, 2015 by polynesian15

[The Mom Gene]

This is his time to use to develop the new guys....  We could have a decent offense with guys like Perriman (if we can get him on the field), Givens, Brown, Campanaro, Crockett, Maxx, etc. etc. etc...  Joe's a smart guy.  A good QB.  I think there are a lot of people that are being unfair.  But that's just my opinion.

[The Mom Gene]

People need to stop using the terminology "pay cut"...  Joe will restructure for the team.  If you don't believe he will, then yeah, that...  but to believe otherwise is crazy.  Everyone is still on the $120M bandwagon.  Yeah, his cap hit is bigger next year, and like just about every other franchise QB, he'll do what he needs to do.  He's nowhere near the highest paid QB anymore.  Guys like Luck are demanding even more.

 

Our entire receiving corps is young...  and this is that time for us to build and help them grow.

[usmccharles]

Gillmore and Aiken have been solid when given a shot, Juice also seems to "capitalize" when he's involved.

Joe heavily favors Smith and when he can't find him open he starts doubting himself and procrastinates.

Not sure what happened with Joe during the Super Bowl run (possibly supporting cast which we can't afford with his current contract), but it's becoming obvious that it was sort of a fluke. He needs a good ground game and good receivers to avoid messing up. Thus the reason why I think he should be willing to take a cut.

I like him but he's an enigma - plays special at times during January but absolutely tanks during the regular season... 

Gilmore i see as a playmaker, he turns nothing into something.   I see Aiken as a "take whats there but nothing else guy."  But i meant air it out as a deep throw...

 

And just becaues Joe needs a supporting cast doesnt mean his SB run was a fluke.  Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby, Rice, Pitta.....Every single one of those guys is a playmaker.  SSR is like Boldin in the sense of reliabilty.  We dont have anything like Torrey, on the field anyways.  Nothing Like Jacoby.  Forset isnt the playmaker Rice was but forsett is very usefull.  Gilmore isnt up there with Pitta yet, but he has a chance. 

 

Aiken, Brown, Givens, Waller are not starting caliber WRs, definitely not a #2.  Joe isnt Tom Brady, him and Rodgers are in their own Tier, Joe needs a good cast around him.  Think Jordan would of won with out the Kerrs, Pippen, Paxson, Bj, Grant...etc....The year we actually had a good supporting cast around Joe, guess what, we won a SB

 

Edit* Aiken is on pace for 720 yards and 5 TDs, i guess thats ok #2 numbers? 

Edited October 19, 2015 by usmccharles

[RaineV1]

I think the Ravens offense simply isn't built to be constantly playing from behind. Once the other defense knows we have to throw, things usually go downhill a bit, and turnovers happen.

[1/28/01]

Give Flacco a raise, he's very deservant of it.

So he should be the top paid QB? You really think this?

[Tru11]

So he should be the top paid QB? You really think this?

 

think he is sarcastic.

 

at least i hope he is.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Here is a "stat" for you guys that love that stuff.

 

According to the Ravens PostGame Live crew....Joe Flacco is 0-8 whenever he throws the ball over 40x.  0-8!  Wow! 

 

Today he was 33/53, 343 yds, 2 TD's, 2 INT's.

 

This is NOT an air it out passing type of team imo!  The personnel is not there for it.  The Ravens have lost their "smashmouth" identity and need to re-establish that to help Flacco cause he needs that to excel...it's obvious!

 

 

That stat is misleading.If he really is 0-8 when throwing the ball 40+ times,then it's because he only gets to throw that much in games that we're behind in and are about to lose.If we're down two td's or something like that in the fourth quarter,we're more than likely going to lose that game and Flacco is going to end up with 40+ throws because we don't have time to run the ball.It's not like we'd automatically lose if the  game plan was to throw that many times.

[berad]

Here is a "stat" for you guys that love that stuff.

 

According to the Ravens PostGame Live crew....Joe Flacco is 0-8 whenever he throws the ball over 40x.  0-8!  Wow! 

 

Today he was 33/53, 343 yds, 2 TD's, 2 INT's.

 

This is NOT an air it out passing type of team imo!  The personnel is not there for it.  The Ravens have lost their "smashmouth" identity and need to re-establish that to help Flacco cause he needs that to excel...it's obvious!

 

That 0-8 stat isn't accurate (unless there was a qualifier) but your point still holds that we're far less successful (win-wise) when we are forced to go off-script or the running game isn't productive (as it wasn't yesterday).

 

It's not how this team is constructed or coached to drop back 60 times a game and not in our best interest to do so. But their hand was forced.