Renner Yes - Schaub No

[CTFan]

I don't have a problem with Schaub, but how often do you get a rookie QB who shows that much poise? Of course, the answer is, Not Very Often.

 

So when you do, I think it makes sense to take a chance. The money paid to Schaub should not be a factor. Renner has what appears to be a nice upside. If, God forbid, Joe goes down, Schaub is not to going to get us a trophy.

 

Renner may not either, but if he plays really well, he could bring us a high draft pick. 

 

Remember Matt Cassel? 

Edited August 24, 2015 by CTFan

[Tenacious Faulker]

schaub is terrible. not sure which free agent pick up is worse, schaub or kendrick lewis.

Schaub WILL have the b/u job. Renner WILL be on the PS or another team. Why? Schaub wasn't brought in to ONLY be back up to a QB that's on a great streak of starts, but because he's the missing link to Kubiak's offense that Joe did so well in last year. They're paying him for what's in his head and Trestman and Joe are learning from him. Besides, he's a serviceable passer behind a top ranked OL (not the #2's).

Yes, his confidence is shot, but I think that was more from the toxic environment of that Houston locker room that caused that team to implode in 2013 and the crazy Houston fans to form a mob around his house after some bad losses. No team fires a coach like Kubiak after one bad season after so many good ones without some in-fighting involved (Wade Phillips). That would rattle anyone. His confidence will return if called for. The Ravens no how recycle players.

And don't even get me started on Kendrick Lewis...

Edited August 25, 2015 by Moderator 3

[52520Andrew]

Yet another thing overlooked here.  Schaub had some issues (and it wasn't even really that bad) with probably the worst OL he's ever had in front of him.  The talent was severely lacking for him, and he still put up an alright performance.  I can't even say I understand the immense hate for him after the latest game, as he really wasn't that bad.

 

I think most of the Schaub hate comes from what we have heard about him at practice. Wasn't perfect in either game obviously but I didn't think he was terrible in the games(granted I stopped watching the Eagles game at 24-0 so maybe I missed something there lol). We don't save anything by cutting him either, it would actually cost us since we would have to pay a player who actually made the 53 over him.

[FlackAttack]

I think most of the Schaub hate comes from what we have heard about him at practice. Wasn't perfect in either game obviously but I didn't think he was terrible in the games(granted I stopped watching the Eagles game at 24-0 so maybe I missed something there lol). We don't save anything by cutting him either, it would actually cost us since we would have to pay a player who actually made the 53 over him.

 

Nope, most of the schaub hate is coming from his past 2-3 years of nfl play. This preseason has just confirmed.

[Filmstudy]

I want to state this a little differently than you typically will hear it said.

 

Renner has never taken an NFL snap with any starting NFL defender on the field.

 

Renner has had just a few opponents on the field while he was in who will ever play 1,000 NFL snaps defensively (slightly less than 1 full season).

 

He's simply not in the discussion to replace Schaub.  For that to occur, Joe would have to get hurt, Schaub would then have to implode (or get hurt), then the Ravens, after searching the waiver wire, calling Marc Bulger (slight hyperbole), etc., would have to throw up their arms and give the job to Renner to close out a difficult season.

 

It's happened once before with a QB that had a much more significant body of bad work at the NFL level and that was Anthony Wright.

 

I'm not a Schaub lover.  He lost his role as a starter because he puts his team at risk every time he throws outside the numbers.  However, he's clearly the best option if the unthinkable happens.

 

 

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Edited August 25, 2015 by Filmstudy

[Filmstudy]

And don't even get me started on Kendrick Lewis...

 

Does anyone want to hear again that Lewis led the Texans in tackles last season after that awful performance against the Eagles? 

 

That's among the worst PS games I have ever seen from a starter and he packed all those bad plays (2 MTs, 1 overrun of a pass play, 1 time picked, 2 flags) into just 3 series.

 

He should not be immune to the "Huff treatment".

 

 

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Edited August 25, 2015 by Filmstudy

[JEEPercreepermd]

Has anyone else noticed that Schaub has a really weird throwing motion? Also, looks like he's definitely lost the fastball.

[52520Andrew]

Nope, most of the schaub hate is coming from his past 2-3 years of nfl play. This preseason has just confirmed.

For sure but it wouldn't be near as bad if we weren't hearing reports out of practice of him throwing the INTs. I mean obviously there is a big drop off from Flacco to Schaub but that is the nature of the backup QB market. You think Renner is the guy to be our backup?

[pitchblack_20]

I love how Renner plays. I think he goes to the PS, hits the weight room, works on his mechanics, and gives the backup job a run in a year or two.

[FlackAttack]

For sure but it wouldn't be near as bad if we weren't hearing reports out of practice of him throwing the INTs. I mean obviously there is a big drop off from Flacco to Schaub but that is the nature of the backup QB market. You think Renner is the guy to be our backup?

 

Considering the price we paid for Schaub and our 80/20 philosophy, yes I would take Renner over Schaub at this point. But we could've better addressed the backup QB situation at the beginning of free agency imo, instead jumping all over Sachuab and giving him big $$$. There were some other decent 2nd string veterans that we could've brought on for much cheaper.

 

And I dont think the whole "he knows the system" argument works. Sure, he may know the system, but how is he going to execute the system when he cant even throw a ball. His throws are so off the wall its embarrassing. So considering that then I guess you are right about the recent reports of his awful training camp and from what we see in preseason. I said it once and ill say it again, people forget that this guy was cut by the texans after atrocious play, and then BENCHED by the RAIDERS. Im pretty sure he was the raiders 3rd string when they cut him. His NFL days are over.

 

Heres a great article on the situation, and makes valid points about the advantage of keeping him over Schaub.. and if he plays great the next two weeks, Im all for it.

 

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/24/9197659/could-bryn-renner-be-the-ravens-backup-quarterback

Edited August 26, 2015 by FlackAttack

[January J]

Considering the price we paid for Schaub and our 80/20 philosophy, yes I would take Renner over Schaub at this point. But we could've better addressed the backup QB situation at the beginning of free agency imo, instead jumping all over Sachuab and giving him big $$$. There were some other decent 2nd string veterans that we could've brought on for much cheaper.

And I dont think the whole "he knows the system" argument works. Sure, he may know the system, but how is he going to execute the system when he cant even throw a ball. His throws are so off the wall its embarrassing. So considering that then I guess you are right about the recent reports of his awful training camp and from what we see in preseason. I said it once and ill say it again, people forget that this guy was cut by the texans after atrocious play, and then BENCHED by the RAIDERS. Im pretty sure he was the raiders 3rd string when they cut him. His NFL days are over.

Heres a great article on the situation, and makes valid points about the advantage of keeping him over Schaub.. and if he plays great the next two weeks, Im all for it.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/24/9197659/could-bryn-renner-be-the-ravens-backup-quarterback

except schaubs money for this year was guarenteed so the 80/20 philosophy is pretty much irrelevant here.

[sflegend89]

I think Renner is a better game manager and is less likely to cause the team to lose than Schaub. He seems like the prototypical backup QB.

 

LOL based on what? Playing scout defenses in the preseason? Schaub started in the NFL more years than Renner has in HS/College combined, he's passed for 4000 yds THREE times in his career, he's played elite NFL defenses, he's started in the playoffs and in big games. I'm not saying he's still that same caliber QB he once was but he is clearly the back up and Renner isn't even in the discussion for overtaking him if you were to ask Harbs, Trestman, and Mornhinweg.

 

Jeez I'm glad some of you don't make roster decisions. Daniel Brown has out produced Kamar Aiken in the preseason against lesser competition too, maybe we should cut Aiken and give Brown his job..right?

Edited August 26, 2015 by sflegend89

[FlackAttack]

except schaubs money for this year was guarenteed so the 80/20 philosophy is pretty much irrelevant here.

 

right, but what you didnt comprehend is that I would've used the 80/20 philosophy instead of signing schaub for big $$$.

[FlackAttack]

LOL based on what? Playing scout defenses in the preseason? Schaub started in the NFL more years than Renner has in HS/College combined, he's passed for 4000 yds THREE times in his career, he's played elite NFL defenses, he's started in the playoffs and in big games. I'm not saying he's still that same caliber QB he once was but he is clearly the back up and Renner isn't even in the discussion for overtaking him if you were to ask Harbs, Trestman, and Mornhinweg.

 

Jeez I'm glad some of you don't make roster decisions. Daniel Brown has out produced Kamar Aiken in the preseason too, maybe we should cut Aiken and give Brown his job..right?

 

just because someone had a good career years and years in the past doesnt make him still a legit QB. and ranting and raving about knowing football.. this is a what have you done for me lately league. using the argument that renner has played against 3rd D's and propelled is the same as saying schuab, who is used to 1st string, is terrible against 2nd. so that argument doesnt work.

[FlackAttack]

if you think that talks about renner and schuab at 2nd string hasnt been discussed at least a few times behind closed doors at the ravens headquarters then you simply dont know football, and especially dont know business.

 

this is an extremely competitive league and no one is safe especially at 2nd and 3rd string positions. if you think they brought in schaub as a guarantee 100% starter behind flacco, then thank god you arent in charge of the roster. and thats fact, im sure any NFL coach will back up.

[rmw10]

if you think that talks about renner and schuab at 2nd string hasnt been discussed at least a few times behind closed doors at the ravens headquarters then you simply dont know football, and especially dont know business.

 

this is an extremely competitive league and no one is safe especially at 2nd and 3rd string positions. if you think they brought in schaub as a guarantee 100% starter behind flacco, then thank god you arent in charge of the roster. and thats fact, im sure any NFL coach will back up.

 

I think you'd be surprised.  I mean, we did guarantee his entire contract, meaning we obviously see him as the unquestioned backup to Flacco.

[FlackAttack]

his entire contract is only guaranteed if he stays on the roster the full year. yeah he got a signing bonus, but we could easily trade for a 5th round draft pick or similar to a team that is more desperate for a qb. it's actually explained fairly well in the link I supplied. not sure why some folks can't grasp it.

[rmw10]

his entire contract is only guaranteed if he stays on the roster the full year. yeah he got a signing bonus, but we could easily trade for a 5th round draft pick or similar to a team that is more desperate for a qb. it's actually explained fairly well in the link I supplied. not sure why some folks can't grasp it.

 

His $2M salary is on our books whether he's on the roster or not.  We guaranteed his base salary in addition to the obvious signing bonus.

[FlackAttack]

not if he's traded, only the signing bonus

[rmw10]

not if he's traded, only the signing bonus

 

If he's so bad, then why is someone going to trade for him?

[FlackAttack]

there are many teams off the top of my head bills, jets, Browns, Redskins, more listed in the link

[FlackAttack]

lol even the pats are desperate for a qb right now

[rmw10]

there are many teams off the top of my head bills, jets, Browns, Redskins, more listed in the link

 

But if he's so awful that Bryn Renner is a better option, why would anyone give anything up for him?  Think about it...

[FlackAttack]

a team would bite, just like we did

[RaineV1]

LOL based on what? Playing scout defenses in the preseason? Schaub started in the NFL more years than Renner has in HS/College combined, he's passed for 4000 yds THREE times in his career, he's played elite NFL defenses, he's started in the playoffs and in big games. I'm not saying he's still that same caliber QB he once was but he is clearly the back up and Renner isn't even in the discussion for overtaking him if you were to ask Harbs, Trestman, and Mornhinweg.

 

Jeez I'm glad some of you don't make roster decisions. Daniel Brown has out produced Kamar Aiken in the preseason against lesser competition too, maybe we should cut Aiken and give Brown his job..right?

What he did in the past doesn't really matter when his recent play has been god awful for the most part. He's 10 touchdowns for 16 interceptions over the last two seasons and threw a bunch of them in training camp. Even in his limited action as the backup for the Raiders he threw two interceptions and fumbled three times.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Honestly, the 80/20 argument is irrelevant. Neither one of them are 80 percent of Flacco, so who is the better Quarterback right now? Schaub.

Renner looks like a nice guy to hide on the PS.

He has earned it.

[January J]

right, but what you didnt comprehend is that I would've used the 80/20 philosophy instead of signing schaub for big $$$.

right but that was before we really got to see rynner perform in a live game and before he had 2 really strong showings. If you thought he was a better option at backup than a former pro bowler even before last month then I applaud you. Edited August 27, 2015 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

I hate to be that guy but it seems people have hype on Renner and it's blinding reason. I don't believe Schaub was strictly signed as a backup QB but to help implement the Kubiak offense. I could've sworn I read an article or two on this very website discussing just that as a reason why we signed him but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me.

I like Renner but this isn't his year.

[RaineV1]

Yeah, I've heard that reason for signing Schaub before too, but it doesn't really make sense to me. We ran Kubiak's offense last season just fine without a backup helping Joe learn it, and we don't even have Kubiak anymore, it's now Trestman's playcalling. It just seems like an odd reason to bring him in, in my opinion.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, I've heard that reason for signing Schaub before too, but it doesn't really make sense to me. We ran Kubiak's offense last season just fine without a backup helping Joe learn it, and we don't even have Kubiak anymore, it's now Trestman's playcalling. It just seems like an odd reason to bring him in, in my opinion.

Well, last year we had Taylor and you already answered it in that we had Kubiak. He wasn't necessary. We brought in Trestman, but IIRC, we wanted to keep a lot of what Kubiak brought us, hence Schaub.