The good, the bad, and the really bad vs Eagles

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

We did? As bad as this one? When?

Our offense didn't do as well last year either game 2. We played better but weren't spectacular. We usually don't do well game 2. We got whooped vs the Lions a few years ago as well iirc.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know what to think. It's easy to shrug this off as an aberration, but it's also easy to say this could be the norm and not the exception. I don't know either way. I'm concerned, but I have no choice but to let it play out and see what happens. It seems we relied a lot on younger guys this game. Williams had more reps than I saw before with Joe. There's a clear push for youth and I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now. 

 

I don't think I need to say the bad. We all know it. Instead, I'll focus on the positives. 

 

I think Arthur Brown, Zach Orr, Javarious Allen, Ryan Jensen, Tray Walker, Cassius Vaughn, Rashaad Melvin, & Christo Bilukidi were the "standouts" tonight for me. I think Marlon Brown looked pretty good, too. I didn't see him out there a ton, but I liked what I saw when he was out there. He took some heat around here this week, so he deserves some recognition. Melvin & Walker weren't great, nor Vaughn, but I think they all looked pretty decent. 

 

I don't think Asa Jackson or Albert McClellan make the team from what I saw tonight. Just one thing I noticed out there tonight. I also don't recall seeing a lot of Juszczyk.

[jazz1988]

I'm concerned about the offense. Our depth at WR and OL is paper thin, and Trestman is no Kubiak. If we still had Kubiak I wouldn't be concerned at all.

 

I'm not really sure who is the better offensive coordinator but both coordinators have been successful in this league.Trestman has been calling plays longer than Gary Kubiak but I honestly don't see any different from the play calling right now. It doesn't really look like a offense different from Gary Kubiaks at this moment other than getting the running backs more involved in the  passing game.People say Trestman play calling is conservative well so was Gary Kubiak, they talk about a fast tempo offense but we wasn't really a fast tempo offense last year either and etc.

[rmw10]

I don't know what to think. It's easy to shrug this off as an aberration, but it's also easy to say this could be the norm and not the exception. I don't know either way. I'm concerned, but I have no choice but to let it play out and see what happens. It seems we relied a lot on younger guys this game. Williams had more reps than I saw before with Joe. There's a clear push for youth and I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I don't think I need to say the bad. We all know it. Instead, I'll focus on the positives.

I think Arthur Brown, Zach Orr, Javarious Allen, Ryan Jensen, Tray Walker, Cassius Vaughn, Rashaad Melvin, & Christo Bilukidi were the "standouts" tonight for me. I think Marlon Brown looked pretty good, too. I didn't see him out there a ton, but I liked what I saw when he was out there. He took some heat around here this week, so he deserves some recognition. Melvin & Walker weren't great, nor Vaughn, but I think they all looked pretty decent.

I don't think Asa Jackson or Albert McClellan make the team from what I saw tonight. Just one thing I noticed out there tonight. I also don't recall seeing a lot of Juszczyk.

Ayyyy same guys I singled out as positives. Sad the list is that small though...

I saw a bit of Juice early. He was lined up outside quite often tonight.

Edited August 23, 2015 by rmw10

[ratedr]

I don't know what to think. It's easy to shrug this off as an aberration, but it's also easy to say this could be the norm and not the exception. I don't know either way. I'm concerned, but I have no choice but to let it play out and see what happens. It seems we relied a lot on younger guys this game. Williams had more reps than I saw before with Joe. There's a clear push for youth and I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I don't think I need to say the bad. We all know it. Instead, I'll focus on the positives.

I think Arthur Brown, Zach Orr, Javarious Allen, Ryan Jensen, Tray Walker, Cassius Vaughn, Rashaad Melvin, & Christo Bilukidi were the "standouts" tonight for me. I think Marlon Brown looked pretty good, too. I didn't see him out there a ton, but I liked what I saw when he was out there. He took some heat around here this week, so he deserves some recognition. Melvin & Walker weren't great, nor Vaughn, but I think they all looked pretty decent.

I don't think Asa Jackson or Albert McClellan make the team from what I saw tonight. Just one thing I noticed out there tonight. I also don't recall seeing a lot of Juszczyk.

Asa has had SO many chances but has shown absolutely nothing.

[rmw10]

One last note for now...

@TDavenport_NFL: Jimmy Smith: We aren't game-planning for them. They're going to have a lot of plays, we’re not in the correct defense in 2nd preseason game

@TDavenport_NFL: Jimmy Smith: If this was a real game, we'd game-plan against them. Instead, we were ran our basic scheme, and they were able to make plays.

Edited August 23, 2015 by rmw10

[ratedr]

Our offense didn't do as well last year either game 2. We played better but weren't spectacular. We usually don't do well game 2. We got whooped vs the Lions a few years ago as well iirc.

Eh I disagree, I don't think Flacco threw a single pick last preseason

[4everraven]

The game was horribly skewed by the penalties. About half were legitimate. The other half definitely bad calls. The first 3 Eagles scoring drives were aided by the bad calls. Refs have preseason to get rid of rust as well. I can't imagine an officiating crew being this bad in the regular season.

Flacco was bad tonight. Perhaps UDFAs being in the Oline hampered him. Also, not impressed with the WRs, not Aiken, not Brown and SSS was invisible. Preseason, so who knows how ineffective they really have been. Camp was missing. Does he make that big a difference? I know this Aiken the #2 hasn't shown anything in 2 games. If he starts the season as #2 this WR corps is in trouble. Someone else has to show up, Perriman, Waller, or a re-emerging Marlon.

The defense was hindered by the bad calls but It still doesn't look like a stout defense. The Dline was totally manhandled. The LBs and secondary have looked better than the Dline.

Generally, after watching the game a second time what sticks out prominently is the officiating. It was horrible and 1-sided against the Ravens. Above and beyond all the bad calls on defense, the tripping and tackle lining up in backfield on the offense were horrendous. So, the Ravens were bad, the officials were bad which helped the Eagles give the Ravens a big time whooping. It's preseason so let's move on to next week.

[ratedr]

I'm not really sure who is the better offensive coordinator but both coordinators have been successful in this league.Trestman has been calling plays longer than Gary Kubiak but I honestly don't see any different from the play calling right now. It doesn't really look like a offense different from Gary Kubiaks at this moment other than getting the running backs more involved in the passing game.People say Trestman play calling is conservative well so was Gary Kubiak, they talk about a fast tempo offense but we wasn't really a fast tempo offense last year either and etc.

I prefer Kubiak because it seems all OLs and RBs prosper in his system.

[izvoodoo]

We looked MUCH better in preseason last year.

we're good on depth. But we're missing our starting guard. Our back up guard and 3 of our top tackles. We're not thin at oline, but we're definitely hurt

[January J]

We were running a lot of basic vanilla stuff. Doing a lot of situational work that we wouldn't normally do either. I'm not concerned, we just need to work on the communication when facing fast paced offenses.

[JarBoz]

That was ugly but injuries and Flacco having a bad day will get you behind quick against that high powered offense. I believe the Ravens have the tools to be in the playoffs and possibly a super bowl appearance. The defense is one of the most talented in the league and the offensive line is solid when healthy. Harbaugh will get them back on track and hopefully the injuries will heal before the start of the season. This is why I'm not a big fan of preseason games...season changing injuries in meaningless games but I think we are going to bounce back. We need Perriman healthy and out there getting some game speed reps with Flacco.

[JarBoz]

They will bounce back...good team...good coach....injuries and a bad day for Flacco.

[ravensdfan]

One last note for now...

@TDavenport_NFL: Jimmy Smith: We aren't game-planning for them. They're going to have a lot of plays, we’re not in the correct defense in 2nd preseason game

@TDavenport_NFL: Jimmy Smith: If this was a real game, we'd game-plan against them. Instead, we were ran our basic scheme, and they were able to make plays.

Perhaps it is just me but I consider this a poor coaching decision. I understand not wanting to tip your hand too much in preseason but to not game plan at all - how are you supposed to be evaluating guys that you've just set up to completely fail? And is it wise to put them in a position to be totally humiliated?

 

Eh Trestman went Cam Cam in this game. It's preseason and I hope that is all it is, otherwise it will be a long season.

[ellicottraven]

The good first - Renner, McGee, Darren Waller, Arthur Brown, McClennan and Zadarius Smith. Average, bad to atrocious - the rest.

Edited August 23, 2015 by ellicottraven

[Sizzlebshu]

One last note for now...

@TDavenport_NFL: Jimmy Smith: We aren't game-planning for them. They're going to have a lot of plays, we’re not in the correct defense in 2nd preseason game

@TDavenport_NFL: Jimmy Smith: If this was a real game, we'd game-plan against them. Instead, we were ran our basic scheme, and they were able to make plays.

They may have ran their basic scheme, but they did not execute it well, and that is the concern

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I was at the game and as bad as it looked... One thing we kept realizing was that the Eagles really weren't moving the ball that well unless they were being aided by penalty calls.

When we played clean we were forcing them off the field. We just allowed too many drives to be kept alive by penalties, many of which were completely bogus.

The one that drove me nuts was on the completed pass where we ripped it out of the receivers hands and it was called back for PI. There was NO flag on the completion, no flag when we ripped the ball out. It wasn't until the play ended that a flag was thrown.

I usually don't complain about penalties, refs miss them that's part of the game... But tonight it seemed that any time we stopped a drive or made a play, the refs handed the eagles new life. It was atrocious.

[jazz1988]

I prefer Kubiak because it seems all OLs and RBs prosper in his system.

 

Trestman has already made it known that he's not running his style of offense but The Ravens style  of offense which is the same offense that Gary Kubiak ran. I really don't know  if the play calling is going to be really different but so far it  looks the same. I can't really tell  that Gary Kubiak  left but we shall see once the regular season starts

[FlackAttack]

We were running a lot of basic vanilla stuff. Doing a lot of situational work that we wouldn't normally do either. I'm not concerned, we just need to work on the communication when facing fast paced offenses.

 

i agree, they threw everything they had at us offensively, yet we were extremely basic on offense. basic run plays galore. pretty sure i saw a run play about 4-5 plays in a row.

[mg90]

The overreaction in here lol. It's preseason.

[jazz1988]

Perhaps it is just me but I consider this a poor coaching decision. I understand not wanting to tip your hand too much in preseason but to not game plan at all - how are you supposed to be evaluating guys that you've just set up to completely fail? And is it wise to put them in a position to be totally humiliated?

 

Eh Trestman went Cam Cam in this game. It's preseason and I hope that is all it is, otherwise it will be a long season.

 

Not many teams  game plan in the preseason and it's overall just offensive & defensive  coordinators calling plays and trusting players to use their instincts,abilities, and etc to make plays. I think it's best that way because it really helps with who stands out and who doesn't .Through out the entire training camp position coaches and the coordinators are coaching these players up to prepare them for what they may see in a real game. When preseason starts that's when they tell them go out there and show  them what they learned for the past weeks.

 

Maybe Pees could have helped the players out more on defense but the defense overall was killing themselves with penalties .

Edited August 23, 2015 by jazz1988

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

The overreaction in here lol. It's preseason.

If Ravens fans could decide the exact moment the appocalypse would happen, the world would've ended millions of times over already due to simple overreactions.

 

We looked like crap. It happens. I'd rather look like crap in the preseason than in the regular season. You can learn a lot from a preseason loss. And we tend to learn from our mistakes. Part of what makes us successful as a team. We have one definitive weakness right now. Secondary depth. We need another outside corner backup for the inevitable Webb injury. We're going to need another WR next year. We're going to need another running back.

 

We're fine. I could tell by watching that we didn't bring our A-game. Why would we?

 

I prefer Kubiak because it seems all OLs and RBs prosper in his system.

And Jay Cutler failed last year because he was a bonehead and supposedly ignored Trestman's gameplan. Remember the season before where everything in that offense was firing on all cylenders(and McCown was mainly the QB)? Yeah. Besides our WR situation our team is similar. Good pass catching back and good (albeit young) TEs, with a good oline. Our best WR is extremely physical, and we have young gun waiting in the ranks before he explodes who has good hands who needed to work on his route running.
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Trestman has a track record. I like Kubiak better too, but it's honestly not too much of a drop off.

[Maryland]

I'm thinking Butler will probably be kicked down to the practice squad. We hear about the amazing catches he makes in practice, but I have yet to really see it in-game (he almost made a nice catch vs NO iirc). Although last year, Aiken was seemingly a practice warrior who failed to show up in preseason, and yet he still made the team, so who knows. 

 

SS89, Perriman, Camp, Waller, Aiken, Brown--that seems like a solid 6 right there. Not sure who you'd remove for Butler. I used to think Brown could be a dark-horse cut, but Butler doesn't seem good enough to supplant him. We'll see. 

[reed20]

The good first - Renner, McGee, Darren Waller, Arthur Brown, McClennan and Zadarius Smith. Average, bad to atrocious - the rest.

Cassius Vaughn was good too.

[Maryland]

We looked MUCH better in preseason last year.

You must not have been here after the Panthers game. The sky was falling, just as it is now for some capricious fans. 

[Grapple Raven]

After listening to Harbs, Sizzle, and a few of the other players in their locker room interviews, it appears that we were without communication all of the first half of the game.  Harbs said we didn't have it for most of the first half at all, and when it did start to come back it was very crackly and the guys could get or understand the calls.

 

Harbs seemed to indicate that it was preseason and they didn't do any game planning as they are still evaluating players and looking for players at certain positions, which is normal for us at this point in preseason.  Sizzle said they didn't game plan and they definitely didn't see any of that in practice. Sizzle also alluded to the fact that generally no one is familiar with Chip's style of offense except those that probably see it most within the division. 

 

Would seem that ole' Chip kind of gave us a shot to the bough by game planning a bit more than we were expecting, lol.  It would make sense as he has a lot to prove to validate all his offseason changes.  Granted we did have a lackluster performance by the ones at points, but it does put some things in perspective!  It is kind of hard to perform in an away stadium with little to no communication on a preseason game plan when your opponents have both.

[Tank 92]

I say it every year, I hate pre season. It is meaningless and has no bearing on what the coming season will bring, other than injuries.

[RaineV1]

I say it every year, I hate pre season. It is meaningless and has no bearing on what the coming season will bring, other than injuries.

Except for determining who makes the team. That tends to have some bearing on the coming season.

[Tank 92]

Except for determining who makes the team. That tends to have some bearing on the coming season.

 

 

right. I should clarify. Pre season wins/losses and team performance gives little or no indication of what the coming season will bring. 

[Guest]

There were some positives…

 

Allen, Magee, and Toussaint all looked good at RB

Jensen played well considering he's not a LT and has been forced to play there

Za'Darius still looks active as a pass rusher

Melvin looked good at CB, as did Vaughn

 

Much more bad than good, but some bubble players did well for themselves.  Others… not so much.

Agree with your running back assessment. Thought Magee really showed some potential Riceesque in a way.

 

I saw Arthur Brown make a couple plays. Did not isolate him though.

 

Disagree on Za Darius Smith, really saw him pushed all over the place and was very troubled by it.