[News] Late For Work 8/21: Ravens' Super Bowl Odds Keep Getting Better

[Postapocalypse Raven]

he edited it. Originally it said 3 games against the long shots andT

That's cool.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Your personal experience with back injuries does not make you an expert on all back injuries, nor does it represent all back injuries. If a "full recovery" does not imply being 100% then what exactly does it mean??? Besides that what starter in the NFL is in fact playing at 100%. The answer would be none of them, and Yanda is no exception.  Ask yourself these questions: Has K.O's back gotten worse since 2013??? Answer: NO.  Has Terrell Suggs torn achillies gotten worse over time??? Answer: NO. So basically both K.O. and Terrell Suggs alone have proven your statement wrong. Never mind the countless others. The point is that a back injury, or an achillies injury CAN be overcome, and that players can return 100%, but most importantly neither are necessarily the rule. 

I'd say it makes me more an "expert" than you.  I have at least my own perspective (that of a competitive athlete no less) and about 12 years of dealing with back injuries.  One thing all spinal specialists will say about spines after surgical procedures to them is that you're never the same. 

 

My assessment stand:  IF it comes to paying Yanda or K.O. in order to keep them, I'd take Yanda.  It's not carved in stone, but its based in reality.  And at least this way the Ravens gain a higher comp pick for him even if he goes on to be a Pro Bowler elsewhere.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

I'd say it makes me more an "expert" than you.

That's funny... Especially when you consider the fact that you haven't got the slightest clue as to what know about back injuries. There ins't a day that goes by without a doctor(including your "spinal specialists") somewhere being wrong. And no... not ALL "spinal specialists" will tell you that you'll never be the same after a spinal procedure. That's more like something a person from the old folks home would say. Back when surgical procedures weren't even remotely as advanced as they are today. As for the doctors that would say such a thing, I would suggest a second or even a third opinion. They might need an updated refresher kinesiology course. You being an expert and all i'm sure that your familiar with that right?  

[Tenacious Faulker]

That's funny... Especially when you consider the fact that you haven't got the slightest clue as to what know about back injuries. There ins't a day that goes by without a doctor(including your "spinal specialists") somewhere being wrong. And no... not ALL "spinal specialists" will tell you that you'll never be the same after a spinal procedure. That's more like something a person from the old folks home would say. Back when surgical procedures weren't even remotely as advanced as they are today. As for the doctors that would say such a thing, I would suggest a second or even a third opinion. They might need an updated refresher kinesiology course. You being an expert and all i'm sure that your familiar with that right?  

Says the blind leading the sighted...glad you're not in the Ravens F.O.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

Says the blind leading the sighted...glad you're not in the Ravens F.O.

Remind me again how K.O's back, and Suggs achilles turned out. 

[January J]

I'd say it makes me more an "expert" than you. I have at least my own perspective (that of a competitive athlete no less) and about 12 years of dealing with back injuries. One thing all spinal specialists will say about spines after surgical procedures to them is that you're never the same.

My assessment stand: IF it comes to paying Yanda or K.O. in order to keep them, I'd take Yanda. It's not carved in stone, but its based in reality. And at least this way the Ravens gain a higher comp pick for him even if he goes on to be a Pro Bowler elsewhere.

you have to look at everything on a case by case basis. Just bc you or whoever had back issues and things did or didn't turn out a certain way doesn't mean you can lump everybody into the equation. Everybody heals differently. Some will have ongoing issues, some won't. And lastly, even though many take their word as "gospel", doctors can be wrong. Edited August 25, 2015 by January J

[Tenacious Faulker]

Remind me again how K.O's back, and Suggs achilles turned out. 

How did it work out for Jared Gaither?  Backs are tricky and unless you've suffered with a back injury you just don't know how debilitating they can be.  Just because K.O. is "ok" now doesn't me that his long term prognosis is good and the chance for a recurrence is higher.  I'm not saying that he's finished - not by a long shot, but your stridency seems to me that you think I'm advocating getting rid of him.  All I'm saying is given my choice (i.e. he wants to be the highest paid LG in the system) I'm turning to Yanda at that point.  I'll take the guy with shoulder issue over the one with back issue at any age who wants the giant paycheck. 

 

I'm not sure why Suggs factors in here.  Suggs was not himself when he returned and it will cause him to decline and retire earlier.  But why not bring up Ray Lewis' triceps?  He said himself he can't go thru another rehab, then retired at the end of the season.  Healing can seem miraculous.  But the price is longevity.  A young man's body can take a lot, but gets old quick in the NFL.

you have to look at everything on a case by case basis. Just bc you or whoever had back issues and things did or didn't turn out a certain way doesn't mean you can lump everybody into the equation. Everybody heals differently. Some will have ongoing issues, some won't. And lastly, even though many take their word as "gospel", doctors can be wrong.

There's some truth to that and my issue has been misdiagnosed several times.  So I have every reason to be skeptical of doctors, but I manage it.  When mine happened I still competed and I still work out today though modified.  However, major back injuries rarely go away fully - just enough to get functional.  Then they'll will haunt you 2, 5, 10 years later after you go back to heavy lifting, contact, torqueing, etc.  It's not just my personal experience.  You see the same guys in the doctor's office and you get to know their issues are your issues.  But I've been around a while.  Back issues are one of those things that unless you experience them for yourself you just can't understand it.  Coaches/GMs rely on doctors to tell them if their players are ready because a competitor will always tell you he's ready even if they aren't.  EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY is connected thru your back.  As I said, KO did fine last year, but an expensive, long-term contract (which is what he wants) will be sketchy.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

How did it work out for Jared Gaither?

Oh you mean that "phantom" back injury that mysteriously popped up all of a sudden once he realized that he lost his starting LT spot. The very same "phantom" back injury that could never be diagnosed, or confirmed by the doctors? The same exact "mystery" back injury that only seemed to bother him AFTER immediately signing contracts with other teams. Jared Gaither was nothing more than a con artist looking for a quick payday, and the Ravens were just one of his victims.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Postapocalypse Raven

[Postapocalypse Raven]

I'm not sure why Suggs factors in here.

Because he suffered a pretty significant achilles injury just a few years ago, and in your previous post you seem to be making a broad generalization about all achilles injuries when you were referencing K.O,s injury....  

 

"Point is that he's always hurt.  I've had back injuies and the bigger you are the worse it is. A "full recovery" does not mean back to 100% and its increasingly diminished performance returns in a punishing sport.  Throw the Achillies in on top, and that's two injuries that get worse over time - not better.  The question was "would you take Yanda or K.O. at this point?"   Personally I like them both.  K.O. has the youth and Yanda is an elite (maybe the best)O-lineman in the league.  Yanda wins"

Edited August 26, 2015 by Postapocalypse Raven

[Postapocalypse Raven]

Suggs was not himself when he returned and it will cause him to decline and retire earlier.

He was himself... Maybe only at about 75%, but he was most certainly himself. He was at 75% because he hadn't fully recovered yet but still felt as though he could contribute to the team, not because the injury caused him to decline. Pretty big difference. I'm pretty sure he came back and helped us win a SB that year. If there's anything causing Terrell Suggs to decline it might have more to do with the fact that he's 32 years old, and entering his 13th season at OLBer. There are zero indications that his achilles has hindered him, and what do you mean retire earlier???

[Postapocalypse Raven]

But why not bring up Ray Lewis' triceps?

Because you specifically stated that back injuries, and achilles injuries as two injuries that "get worse over time - not better." Are you going to add triceps injuries to the list now? Ok then, Ray made a full recovery from that injury as well.

[Tenacious Faulker]

They need to bring back the banging head against a brick wall emoticon.

 

OK.  Officially bored.  It's like the man said, "Some men you just can't reach...."