[News] Late For Work 8/21: Ravens' Super Bowl Odds Keep Getting Better

[sami]

Squeeeeeze that pig, Boyle !

squeeze it so hard it squeals!

[Space11jams]

Don't want to sound like a jerk because I like TT but both the highlights I saw from the Ravens were scrabbling plays. If he starts, I don't see the Bills stacking up in the win column. TT always had the feet and throwing power. The problem was his decision making and accuracy. Things can change but I don't see him panning out to much longer.

[CQ1]

odds-schmods....anything is and COULD be something to one;

WHATEVER it takes to play like a Raven and win like a Raven ! THEN, let the chips fall.

[runcontrol]

I can't be the only one that read "his next time through caught a pass against Marc Anthony over the middle" and thought there is no way there are two corners named Marc Anthony(even though there were two receivers named Steve Smith). As turns out this is the same corner the Ravens drafted in 2013, but was cut before the season started.

Edited August 21, 2015 by runcontrol

[fusuymada]

It will be interesting to see whether Boyle has fumbling problems or not. My opinion is that based on the number of catches he had during his college career, training him on retaining the ball probably wasn't a high priority. After all, they have to throw it to you for you to fumble it and clearly him making catches was not a priority. However, with the number of catches the Ravens plan on the tight ends making in the Trestman offense, that will dictate the Ravens DO spend that time on ball retention issues. Which means by the first game, we will know if it is a fumbling problem or whether he was never coached up on how to make sure the ball doesn't get popped out.

[Bohica5]

After Joe won his superbowl the wife got me a#5 jersey and I'm a total fan......but.....until he beats those slug teams he is suppose to beat and quits disappearing in those games.....he can't be considered "Elite".....Now when we win every game this year i think that would change.....

[Bohica5]

Maybe letting the air outta the ball a couple of pounds would help Boyle hold the ball.........just a thought!

[BallmoreAllDay]

The Baltimore Sun questions whether third-year WR Marlon Brown will make the 53-man roster.

Brown missed a huge chunk of camp with back and hamstring injuries, and beat writer Jeff Zriebec says Brown "hasn't looked right" since returning, playing "extremely tentative" and getting very few reps. Zriebec suggests Brown could end up losing his roster spot to Michael Campanaro or rookie Darren Waller.

Source: Baltimore Sun Aug 21 - 2:29 PM

[runcontrol]

At this point I think it is down to Marlon Brown or Jeremy Butler making the roster. Smith, Perriman and Aiken are locks. Campanaro and Waller are making strong cases right now in the preseason. The Ravens won't keep 4 tight ends and 7 receivers.... So I think they do keep 6 receivers and with Marlon's injury and Butler lackluster practices recently (even though he did have a great mini camp back in June) my guesssit is Butler is going to be cut and unfortunate because he has a great upside. They will try to sign Butler and Carter to the practice squad but we all know one or both will probably be signed to another team and they have that talent to be situational players on another team. Carolina with their injury to Kelvin Benjamin would probably love to have Butler as their slot guy.

 

I agree with you, the last roster spot will probably come down to Butler and Brown, but I have Butler winning.  Until this week Butler's catches have been mentioned in almost every camp note post since June, So he isn't making the roster because he has had a quiet week?  While Brown has been on the team for 3 years and has yet to learn how to use his size to beat the players covering him.  He isn't making an impact during practices, and he has had injury problems since his college years(maybe earlier). Brown has gone from a lock to make the team to probably not making the team. 

[20306cab]

If it's one or the other, go ALL IN on Yanda, and let KO walk. Got Urshel, Hurst, Jensen and Myers waiting in the wings. Plus, it would be nice to have Marshall be the fifth Raven inducted into the NFL HOF, who played his entire career in Baltimore. Not to mention, the first one from the offense. Oops, sorry, Reed bolted for the almighty $$$$. Oh well, close enough! Go Ozzie!

[respecttheRaven]

Wow.....check this article out!!!

Nearly 200 football players took the practice field at training camp yesterday. Flacco clearly was the best; the most polished; the biggest presence.

He didn't run the Ravens' offense; he commanded it. He made every throw: deep outs and deep posts, end-zone fades and soft crossing routes. Lots of those.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150821_In_Joe_Flacco__Ravens_have_what_Eagles_are_still_looking_for.html#l7l17pGwu3yg1gsp.99

[Tenacious Faulker]

If it's one or the other, go ALL IN on Yanda, and let KO walk. Got Urshel, Hurst, Jensen and Myers waiting in the wings. Plus, it would be nice to have Marshall be the fifth Raven inducted into the NFL HOF, who played his entire career in Baltimore. Not to mention, the first one from the offense. Oops, sorry, Reed bolted for the almighty $$$$. Oh well, close enough! Go Ozzie!

If I'm doing that, I gotta go Yanda.  K.O. might be younger but he had his back injury last year and now the achillies strain.  People simply do not come back from either type 100%.  Project that forward and K.O. is an injury risk.  If he asks for the moon without playing a full season this year they're going to let him "test the market".  If no one ponys up more than they think he's worth (or injuries limit him to) then they'll match the offer.

[RavensBlood2Bone5220]

Why do they keep posting these "is Flacco elite" stories on this website? Flacco is our quarterback. He's the best in our franchise history, he has one of the best if not the best post season winning pct. in the NFL amoung active qbs, and he's Super Bowl MVP. Flacco has out played Tom Brady in Foxborough in 2 AFC championship games and last seasons divisional game. If our secondary was healthy and Belichick didn't play school yard offense we would have won that game. Enough is enough; January Joe is a winner. Joe Flacco is the quaterback of the Baltimore Ravens.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Get a grip Bohica. Other teams would give their eye teeth to have Flacco. Sorry you aren't satisfied and don't know what else this guy can do to impress you lol.

[RRRRRavens]

Risking a lot of negs here, but Pitta is never going to come back and play. He will stay with the Ravens until he's fully rehabbed, making use of the benefits of a contract, but also helping out our very young TE roster, mentoring, providing his input and helping active Ravens TEs mature for the NFL quicker. Then he will retire. However, hip dislocation, especially recurrent is a no-way-back thing. I love Pitta to bits, but it wouldn't be smart in terms of his own future and well-being.

No negs from me, but couldn't he do the same mentoring and be on IR and not cost us a slot on the roster?

[RRRRRavens]

I don't care about the odds I really want the Ravens to beat the crap out of New England 52 to 3 in the AFC playoffs.

 

I don't care about the odds I really want the Ravens to beat the crap out of New England 52 to 3 in the AFC playoffs.

Hmmmmm......  Sounds like you might like to 'deflate' them a bit.  Yuck, yuck, yuck.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

Sounds like if that last WR spot comes down to Waller or Brown, Waller might get it.

As of right now Waller>Brown. Thanks for the rookie year Marlon, but you always seem to be broken down. Broke Down Marlon Brown.   And this is exactly why we were able to sign him as an UFA. If we don't keep Waller I'll be deeply disappointed. 

[Postapocalypse Raven]

Boyle is going to grow. It usually takes TE, 2-3 years to fully develop in the NFL game. Ask Pitta and Dixon theyll tell you. WHo else is dying to read Perriman is cleared to play. Encouraging to see Jernigan is back though

 

Dickson never fully developed... 

Not only did Dickson never fully develop he also regressed, but who is this Dixon guy he's talking about? Dennis maybe.... Lol.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

ALright just to clear this up Boyle will be fine it takes time just like max williams to develop at the tight end postion secondly Ed dickson was an example of growth taken in 2010 draft before pitta the back up to heap then his break out year in 2011 even catching a touchdown pass from running back ray rice in seattle but injuries happend in 2012 during training camp and he couldnt recover froma thigh injury which every one chalked to lack of confidence while pitta flourished now its reversed and while ed is doing well in carolina as the #2 tight end catching everything and blocking pitta is on the shelf after playing less games at age 30 then ed in two seasons at age 28

Only if you consider that for the entire 2014 season he had a total of 115 yards and 1TD as "doing well", or 10 receptions out of 17 targets(58.8%) as "catching everything." Then sure, Ed Dickson was on fire.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

Looks like tyrod is making a strong case to be the starter. Tough decision up there in buffalo.

Aren't we playing Oakland too? That's 4 games against teams with the worst odds not 3. Just thought id point that out.

Boyle needs to hold on to that football. That's somethin that can get you in that doghouse real quick.

Yep, even says so right here in the article.

 

“The Ravens have a combined four games against those long shots this season (two against the Browns and one each against the Raiders and 49ers),” wrote Hensley.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

After Joe won his superbowl the wife got me a#5 jersey and I'm a total fan......but.....until he beats those slug teams he is suppose to beat and quits disappearing in those games.....he can't be considered "Elite".....Now when we win every game this year i think that would change.....

By this definition of "elite" you've limited all possible elite QB candidates down to just two players. Bob Griese, and Earl Morrall, both of whom played QB for the undefeated 1972 Dolphins. Somebody might want to let Rodgers, Manning, and Brees in on that joke. I left Tom Shady out on purpose because cheaters don't count.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

The Baltimore Sun questions whether third-year WR Marlon Brown will make the 53-man roster. Brown missed a huge chunk of camp with back and hamstring injuries, and beat writer Jeff Zriebec says Brown "hasn't looked right" since returning, playing "extremely tentative" and getting very few reps. Zriebec suggests Brown could end up losing his roster spot to Michael Campanaro or rookie Darren Waller. Source: Baltimore Sun Aug 21 - 2:29 PM

Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. He gone.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

squeeze it so hard it squeals!

Your best post ever!

[Postapocalypse Raven]

If it's one or the other, go ALL IN on Yanda, and let KO walk. Got Urshel, Hurst, Jensen and Myers waiting in the wings. Plus, it would be nice to have Marshall be the fifth Raven inducted into the NFL HOF, who played his entire career in Baltimore. Not to mention, the first one from the offense. Oops, sorry, Reed bolted for the almighty $$$$. Oh well, close enough! Go Ozzie!

Jonathan Ogden???

[Postapocalypse Raven]

If I'm doing that, I gotta go Yanda.  K.O. might be younger but he had his back injury last year and now the achillies strain.  People simply do not come back from either type 100%.  Project that forward and K.O. is an injury risk.  If he asks for the moon without playing a full season this year they're going to let him "test the market".  If no one ponys up more than they think he's worth (or injuries limit him to) then they'll match the offer.

K.O's back was hurt back in 2013, not last year, and he hasn't had any problems with it since then. All indications are that he has made a full recovery.  What he did have last year was a knee sprain which prevented him from playing a couple games. With his achillies acting up this year(which just so happens to be his contract year) perhaps this is one way we can afford to keep him AND Yanda beyond this year. 

[Dorota]

No negs from me, but couldn't he do the same mentoring and be on IR and not cost us a slot on the roster?

I suppose he could. My thoughts are, that he wants to play and Ravens really want him to play, but not sure when and if he gets the go-ahead. I don't think Pitta wants to retire. I think the hip looks good enough that he can run around and it's more a case of "let's hope he gets medical clearance soon!"

[20306cab]

Jonathan Ogden???

DUH!  My bad.  Late night I guess.  Good catch though.  Go Ozzie!

[Tenacious Faulker]

K.O's back was hurt back in 2013, not last year, and he hasn't had any problems with it since then. All indications are that he has made a full recovery.  What he did have last year was a knee sprain which prevented him from playing a couple games. With his achillies acting up this year(which just so happens to be his contract year) perhaps this is one way we can afford to keep him AND Yanda beyond this year. 

Point is that he's always hurt.  I've had back injuies and the bigger you are the worse it is. A "full recovery" does not mean back to 100% and its increasingly diminished performance returns in a punishing sport.  Throw the Achillies in on top, and that's two injuries that get worse over time - not better.  The question was "would you take Yanda or K.O. at this point?"   Personally I like them both.  K.O. has the youth and Yanda is an elite (maybe the best)O-lineman in the league.  Yanda wins  

 

As of right now Waller>Brown. Thanks for the rookie year Marlon, but you always seem to be broken down. Broke Down Marlon Brown.   And this is exactly why we were able to sign him as an UFA. If we don't keep Waller I'll be deeply disappointed. 

 

That can't be said with any certainty.  Clearly Waller is a physical freak with a ton of upside, but he still needs polish.  Brown (when used) has proven even as a rookie that he too have a ton of upside and he has more experience now.  Yet with all the talent filling out the specific roles at receiver, sadly Brown is on the bubble and missing time now due to injury won't help his case.  The team likely will carry 6 WRs, possibly 7 if circumstances allow.  Smith Sr, Perriman, Aiken, Camp, and Waller are going to make the team.  That leaves possibly two more spots.  Nelson and Carter are likely cut.  That's leaves Brown and Butler for the 6th spot.  Between the two (if healthy) the team will award it to Brown largely based on his rookie season and his improvement since.  Given that I'd be surpised if Butler got the 6th spot.  If not awarded the rare 7th spot, he's playing wel and will be on another team this year - hopefully not a division rival.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Tenacious Faulker

[January J]

Yep, even says so right here in the article.

“The Ravens have a combined four games against those long shots this season (two against the Browns and one each against the Raiders and 49ers),” wrote Hensley.

he edited it. Originally it said 3 games against the long shots and left out the raiders.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

I've had back injuies and the bigger you are the worse it is. A "full recovery" does not mean back to 100% and its increasingly diminished performance returns in a punishing sport.  Throw the Achillies in on top, and that's two injuries that get worse over time - not better.

Sorry about your back, but your personal experience with back injuries does not make you an expert on all back injuries, nor does it represent all back injuries. If a "full recovery" does not imply being 100% then what exactly does it mean??? Besides that what starter in the NFL is in fact playing at "100%." The answer would be none of them, and Yanda is no exception.  Ask yourself these questions: Has K.O's back gotten worse since 2013??? Answer: NO.  Has Terrell Suggs torn achillies gotten worse over time??? Answer: NO. So basically both K.O. and Terrell Suggs are living proof that your statement is not applicable to all such injuries. Never mind the countless others. The point is that a back injury, or an achillies injury CAN be overcome, and that players can return 100%, but most importantly that either  injury is NOT necessarily an automatic death sentence that gets worse over time. 

Edited August 25, 2015 by Postapocalypse Raven