[News] Late For Work 8/18: Joe Flacco In Line For Another Raise, Breshad Perriman To Get MRI

[JoeyFlex5]

Perriman hurt himself by falling. No one collided with him. Right? In college, he may never have experienced diving for the ball to this extent; not the strenuous competition of the NFL. What will happen when he goes all out next time? I'm beginning to feel apprehensive. Too much time missed and now after two weeks of "it's a leg issue" finally the MRI.

have you seen his college tape? he had to do far more diving than he will ever have to do with joe flacco throwing the ball. to put it simply, his quarterback was absolutely horrible his final year at UCF, he spent quite a few reps on the turf thanks to horribly thrown balls that he had to make dangerous adjustments to. hes no stranger to the "falling" aspect of being a WR

[thegooddoc456]

Somebody's gonna be Dancing With the Stars if he keeps this up.

[Purple_City39]

im sorry, were we watching the same game thursday night? or did you just read training camp reports and base your thoughts off of that. 

 

in case you didnt know, jeremy butler was god awful against the saints. 

So you're calling Marlon a 5th option and don't like Butler for his one preseason performance (yet I bet you like Aiken even though he did absolutely nothing and struggled to find separation from anyone).  I hope Campanaro isn't your potential #2 with Perriman out as he's probably the last guy who should be on the outside of them all. 

 

Marlon Brown catches everything thrown his way, and although he didn't have a ton of passes throw his way the last few seasons, he showed he'll catch everything thrown his way, go up for a pass and hold on to the ball through contact and injury, and he has pretty good body control and field awareness (see Vikings TD catch).  His career trumps that of every other receiver on the team not named Sr and he's shown more than all of them

[ravens4life86]

Flacco another Raise? Totally disagree, unless he delivers SB win like last contract year.

But lets look at facts... Flacco is at 20.5avg, 4th-5th...Rodgers is 1st 22.5mil avg

The only QB left to get paid is Luck and hes going to be highest paid, because hes being molded as 12x pro bowl MVP Manning replacement by NFL.

This is Flaccos second contract, now I know he wins but you can argue he should do like Brady and stay right where he is or take a little less for better of team. Take some money upfront and keep the cap hit around 12-15mil a yr

But if Flacco is going to get a Raise he has to deliver a SB again...because now hes on his second contract

The guys getting paid now are on their first contract, like Flacco was when he was highest paid

[NJ Raven]

Flacco another Raise? Totally disagree, unless he delivers SB win like last contract year.

But lets look at facts... Flacco is at 20.5avg, 4th-5th...Rodgers is 1st 22.5mil avg

The only QB left to get paid is Luck and hes going to be highest paid, because hes being molded as 12x pro bowl MVP Manning replacement by NFL.

This is Flaccos second contract, now I know he wins but you can argue he should do like Brady and stay right where he is or take a little less for better of team. Take some money upfront and keep the cap hit around 12-15mil a yr

But if Flacco is going to get a Raise he has to deliver a SB again...because now hes on his second contract

The guys getting paid now are on their first contract, like Flacco was when he was highest paid

They're gonna redo the contract regardless. So he can actually get a pay raise while lowering his cap number so if he does go crazy in January again and we win a few playoff games or the Sb he deserves to be be up there in guaranteed dollars with all the new qb deals but anything less then that wouldn't mean he has to take a paycut neither its all about lowering that cap # I hope he earns a big raise actually....

[RAVENSNAYSHUN]

Rub some Tussin on it, Perriman

[rmcjacket23]

Flacco another Raise? Totally disagree, unless he delivers SB win like last contract year.

But lets look at facts... Flacco is at 20.5avg, 4th-5th...Rodgers is 1st 22.5mil avg

The only QB left to get paid is Luck and hes going to be highest paid, because hes being molded as 12x pro bowl MVP Manning replacement by NFL.

This is Flaccos second contract, now I know he wins but you can argue he should do like Brady and stay right where he is or take a little less for better of team. Take some money upfront and keep the cap hit around 12-15mil a yr

But if Flacco is going to get a Raise he has to deliver a SB again...because now hes on his second contract

The guys getting paid now are on their first contract, like Flacco was when he was highest paid

1. The salary cap will have increased by at least 20-25% by the next time Joe signs another deal. As a general rule of thumb... player contracts increase as the salary cap increases. What a guy signed for in 2013, by definition, isn't going to be the same as what it is in 2016, particularly when we see now how unbelievably hard it is to even find a competent QB in the modern NFL.

 

2. Any way you slice it, he's AT LEAST in the Eli, Big Ben, Wilson, and Rivers camp of QBs. So, if we look at the comps...

 

Rivers and Ben both signed deals this offseason that pay them roughly $20M a season over five years, with around $65M guaranteed. Those two are also three years older than Joe, and arguably haven't had as much success as he has recently from a W/L perspective (though they're both clearly better from a statistical pespective).

 

Bottom line for me... short of another SB run, he probably gets a slight bump in pay (probably up to around $21M per season), and gets quite a bit more guaranteed money. The guaranteed money, which is key, will probably easily be north of $60M, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to $70M.

 

The "take one for the team" theory is nice and good and all, but its unrealistic. Basically Brady is the only example of a player who has done that. I'm sure everybodies fanbase was asking for Ben, Rivers, Eli, etc. to "take one for the team" also, and they all sign for right at about $20M a year. You could actually argue, given the current climate of QBs, that playing for $20M a season in their position is "taking one for the team".

 

I'd say $20M is basically the floor in any contract negotiations with Joe, barring some sort of 2013-like performance.

[JoeyFlex5]

So you're calling Marlon a 5th option and don't like Butler for his one preseason performance (yet I bet you like Aiken even though he did absolutely nothing and struggled to find separation from anyone).  I hope Campanaro isn't your potential #2 with Perriman out as he's probably the last guy who should be on the outside of them all. 

 

Marlon Brown catches everything thrown his way, and although he didn't have a ton of passes throw his way the last few seasons, he showed he'll catch everything thrown his way, go up for a pass and hold on to the ball through contact and injury, and he has pretty good body control and field awareness (see Vikings TD catch).  His career trumps that of every other receiver on the team not named Sr and he's shown more than all of them

no im not really a fan of aiken, but i know we hear tons of hype out of training camp all the time and then these players turn out to be complete non factors, butler is looking like the next in line. so anyway, about marlon brown, you think he has good body control and field awareness? if that were the case he would have been targeted more than 31 times on 375 snaps. marlon brown was our #2 WR in our worst year in the flacco/harbs era, coincidence? not really, sure there is more to it, but if marlon brown is your #2 WR then you are in trouble. yeah his career compared to the others shows that he may be a better option than them, but that doesnt mean he is a viable option. 

 

you people are seriously delusional if you think marlon brown as our #2 is somehow a good thing, it has been thrown around these boards all offseason and i swear we must be watching different teams, marlon brown is plain and simple not that good, hes alright at best, and once again, if he is our #2 WR this season because perriman is injured, then we are in big trouble. 

 

and by the way, if you think marlon brown is better than campanaro, youre out of your mind. neither can stay healthy, but the difference is, one actually has NFL caliber talents, like coverage awareness, ball skills, and route running, and that guy isnt marlon brown. show me a play where marlon brown actually uses his massive body and insane reach and puts it to good use, and im not talking about him jumping high against the vikings, im talking about positioning his body to shield defenders from the ball, posting up and boxing out, highpointing in coverage, highpointing in traffic, all the things you expect a 6'5" WR to do... all he has done is get schemed open, make a routine catch, and charge forward hoping he can reach for the first down marker, that was literally almost every single catch he made last year aside from maybe a handful. what is it that you are seeing from marlon brown that leads you to believe we will just be fine and dandy if we field him as our #2?

[Moderator 3]

1. The salary cap will have increased by at least 20-25% by the next time Joe signs another deal. As a general rule of thumb... player contracts increase as the salary cap increases. What a guy signed for in 2013, by definition, isn't going to be the same as what it is in 2016, particularly when we see now how unbelievably hard it is to even find a competent QB in the modern NFL.

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The "take one for the team" theory is nice and good and all, but its unrealistic. Basically Brady is the only example of a player who has done that. I'm sure everybodies fanbase was asking for Ben, Rivers, Eli, etc. to "take one for the team" also, and they all sign for right at about $20M a year. You could actually argue, given the current climate of QBs, that playing for $20M a season in their position is "taking one for the team".

 

I'd say $20M is basically the floor in any contract negotiations with Joe, barring some sort of 2013-like performance.

Double- check Brady's last restructure. He didn't really take one for the team. He's getting way more guaranteed money in the new contract.

[rmcjacket23]

Double- check Brady's last restructure. He didn't really take one for the team. He's getting way more guaranteed money in the new contract.

Sure, but on on an AAV, he took far less.

 

Put it this way... he could have easily asked for more money and gotten it, both in guarantees and total amount (considering the likelihood of him every NOT playing out the contract other than retirement is practically none).

 

He's one of the few guys in the league where the guaranteed money might actually be less relevant, because everybody already knows his entire contract is largely "guaranteed" unless he chooses to retire. 

[balfan23]

I'm no MD, but one has to ask why we needed to wait over two weeks before getting a closer look at what is going on with Perriman's knee. Holding my breath on the results ... sincerely hoping that no surgery required.

[RRRRRavens]

Well, I'm quite sure it does make sense - we just don't know all the deatils that explain it. I would be utterly surprised to learn a multi-billion franchise like the Ravens, where the proper medical background is more than essential, would have a medical staff that makes decisions that "make no sense".

You're right, Bio, as usual.  There are medical conditions where a premature radiological exam or scan actually is inappropriate.  Sometimes the pathology has to advance to where an X-ray, CAT scan, MRI, etc is able to pick it up.  If you do the scan too early you get a false negative and hence false reassurance.

[RRRRRavens]

Waller may be a little less polished than Perriman, but he did a reasonable Torrey imitation by drawing penalties and he also drew coverage that allowed Campanaro to catch a 45 yard TD pass. Let's not forget that the Patriots and the Chargers moved down the field on the Ravens last year with short possession passes. I am not sure why anyone would believe the Ravens can't win any games without a polished deep threat. Anyone running down the field is going to draw coverage and the team has a crew of receivers capable of catching the ball. That along with a grinding run game will win games. I would prefer to see the offense wear down the defense and run down the clock rather than the quick scores that bring the Ravens defense right back on the field.

Agree with your assessment of last year.  Also recall our game late last year at Houston where Joe could never get time to throw an accurate pass deep downfield due to all the blitzing pressure they put him under.  Perriman's speed will do us little good if Joe doesn't have time to get off a deep pass due to pocket pressure.  That great 45 yard TD of Camparino in the Saints game last week was in no small part due to the fact that Schaub had the time to throw a great pass.

[Bohica5]

Dude, calm down.

Been a fan of this team(Art Modell,I stayed with the humans) since the 70's, I just call em like i see em.......perriman really seems like a slug....i'm pissed!!  he's a #1 pick! and he's got a condition that he may never play pro ball if he ever gets hammered in the leg(which is bound to happen).....and we picked him?   smh

[TXRavensFan]

Been a fan of this team(Art Modell,I stayed with the humans) since the 70's, I just call em like i see em.......perriman really seems like a slug....i'm pissed!!  he's a #1 pick! and he's got a condition that he may never play pro ball if he ever gets hammered in the leg(which is bound to happen).....and we picked him?   smh

 

That's simply not the case. Here's the first reply to the article on Baltimore Beatdown about Perriman and Osgood-Schlatter from Dr. Bobby Esbrandt (he's also the guy that caused the update to the LFW article this morning):

 

 

Not Related At All

Perriman having Osgood Schlatter’s as an adolescent has absolutely no impact on his condition now or the Ravens handling of him. It is 100% a non-issue.

 

by Bobby Esbrandt on Aug 19, 2015 | 7:29 PM

Also:

TURRON DAVENPORT ‏@TDavenport_NFL 11h11 hours ago

Perriman on the sideline catching a few passes from Renner.

Relax.

Edited August 21, 2015 by TXRavensFan