[News] Matt Schaub Quiets Criticism In Ravens Debut

[TXRavensFan]

Right, so you can toss out about 1/3 of the yardage you are using because the NFL doesn't measure yards behind the line of scrimmage or horizontal yards. Those aren't my rules, that's how the stats are kept. When you say a QB doesn't throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field...that is exactly what you mean. Vertically, down the field.

 

Two things: first, he is credited with a 45 yard pass, so the yardage is actually more than what I stated; second, your original statement was about how far the ball traveled in the air, not how many yards downfield the throw was. I quoted you twice (this is the third time), and the fact is, regardless of you wishing not to acknowledge it and insisting on "moving the goalposts", the ball traveled 33 yards in the air. That is indisputable, and the only point I made.

 

 

Whenever anyone says that a point I am making is irrelevant, I know the conversation is over. The points is, Schaub didn't throw a 45 yard bomb. It was a 20-25 yard pass and the rest was YAC. Just because he can complete a pass to a wide open WR in blown coverage doesn't mean he got the zip back on his arm...as I had mentioned the only really deep pass he tried to Butler down the sideline in another post. It looked like it hit some rain clouds along the way. He had a good night on moslty short to mid range passing. His biggest play came on a broken assignment from a linebacker in zone coverage to let Camp get wide open. An NFL QB should be able to hit a pass like that. Schaub did and he had a good game. Even the announcers said he is a Jekyl and Hyde performer. When he's on he's great, when he's off it is really bad....and these were our homer announcers saying this. Bottom line is, Schaub has A LOT to prove after his two pretty awful seasons. One good pre season game against backups isn't quite enough for me to feel confident in him. I hope he is good to go and has something in the tank just in case we need him. I'm a Ravens fan and I want my team to win.

 

Likewise, when someone continually changes the basis of discussion, there was never an honest conversation to begin with. You can bring up his other passes, overall performance, how much yardage with which he is credited, or what have you, but all of that is still irrelevant to the fact that the TD pass he threw to Camp traveled 33 yards in the air, not 20.

[757RavensFan]

Well, b93333 I can agree, in part, with you!

 

I'm in the 60-40% club - 40% who isn't so sure that Schaub's the same guy who put up those 4,000 yard seasons!

 

I just hope he's not the guy Houston traded! Then, it's careful what you wished for because I was happy with our past back up but understand he wanted to move on!

 

 

I'll tell ya what though - this one guy,... his name escapes me,... really looked good for the Bills! 

 

He really did. I hope he wins the starting position up there.

[757RavensFan]

Maybe, but not this year. In all likelihood the Ravens will carry 8 OL this year. Monroe, Yanda, Zuttah, Osemele, Wagner, Urschel, Hurst, and Myers. Myers is a draft pick so he's in. Urschel and Hurst are proven backups and capable starters. And by some miracle they do carry 9 OL, Reid will probably get that spot. The question is, is Jensen eligible for the Practice Squad. He was inactive for his Rookie season. The 2 extra spots on the Practice Squad, they implemented last year are allowed to have 3 seasons and still be eligible. We'll have to wait and see, but he won't make the 53, there's just no room.

 

Right now, I would take Jensen over Hurst.  Hurst looked horrible vs the Saints and I've read he's struggled in camp.. 

[Ravensfansince03]

Maybe, but not this year. In all likelihood the Ravens will carry 8 OL this year. Monroe, Yanda, Zuttah, Osemele, Wagner, Urschel, Hurst, and Myers. Myers is a draft pick so he's in. Urschel and Hurst are proven backups and capable starters. And by some miracle they do carry 9 OL, Reid will probably get that spot. The question is, is Jensen eligible for the Practice Squad. He was inactive for his Rookie season. The 2 extra spots on the Practice Squad, they implemented last year are allowed to have 3 seasons and still be eligible. We'll have to wait and see, but he won't make the 53, there's just no room.

 

I have to disagree with you. If Ryan Jensen #66 keeps playing the way he is playing then he will take someone else's job. I promise you.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

 

Two things: first, he is credited with a 45 yard pass, so the yardage is actually more than what I stated; second, your original statement was about how far the ball traveled in the air, not how many yards downfield the throw was. I quoted you twice (this is the third time), and the fact is, regardless of you wishing not to acknowledge it and insisting on "moving the goalposts", the ball traveled 33 yards in the air. That is indisputable, and the only point I made.

 

 

 

Likewise, when someone continually changes the basis of discussion, there was never an honest conversation to begin with. You can bring up his other passes, overall performance, how much yardage with which he is credited, or what have you, but all of that is still irrelevant to the fact that the TD pass he threw to Camp traveled 33 yards in the air, not 20.

 

Wait, what? When did I move the goal posts?

 

I haven't changed the discussion at all. It was you who assumed I meant something that I didn't. When you calculate yards for football, you don't count the yards behind the line of scrimmage or the horizontal yards. If we did that then you are saying what was a 45 yard TD pass should have been +3 yards for behind the line of scrimmage and then another 11 from it going from the hash to the numbers. Schaub threw a 59 yard TD pass then and the NFL has it all wrong. You go ahead and put a feather in your own cap if you want to, but nobody else is going to buy your extra yardage.

 

So what is indisputable is the pass was about 50/50 Schaub's arm (24 yards through the air past the LOS and no, hashmark to numbers yards don't count. Only vertical yardage counts in the NFL) and Camp's legs (21 yards YAC). It was a broken coverage and it was only a TD because Camp made somebody miss him down field. It took vision from Schaub to see the broken coverage, the ability to deliver the ball to Camp and he did well on that. It also took good work from Camp. I am happy to see that Schaub can still capitalize on broken coverages and that his short to mid range game looks pretty good. That's what he's always been known for.

[TXRavensFan]

Wait, what? When did I move the goal posts?

 

I haven't changed the discussion at all. It was you who assumed I meant something that I didn't. When you calculate yards for football, you don't count the yards behind the line of scrimmage or the horizontal yards. If we did that then you are saying what was a 45 yard TD pass should have been +3 yards for behind the line of scrimmage and then another 11 from it going from the hash to the numbers. Schaub threw a 59 yard TD pass then and the NFL has it all wrong. You go ahead and put a feather in your own cap if you want to, but nobody else is going to buy your extra yardage.

 

So what is indisputable is the pass was about 50/50 Schaub's arm (24 yards through the air past the LOS and no, hashmark to numbers yards don't count. Only vertical yardage counts in the NFL) and Camp's legs (21 yards YAC). It was a broken coverage and it was only a TD because Camp made somebody miss him down field. It took vision from Schaub to see the broken coverage, the ability to deliver the ball to Camp and he did well on that. It also took good work from Camp. I am happy to see that Schaub can still capitalize on broken coverages and that his short to mid range game looks pretty good. That's what he's always been known for.

 

Simply put "yards in the air" (as you originally stated) does not equal yards from scrimmage, or yards credited on a reception.

 

Let me put it this way, when Flacco throws a quick 5 yard sideline pass in tight coverage from one hashmark to the far sideline, and the announcer says something to the effect that "that's not a pass that just any QB could make," it's not because the ball traveled downfield 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, it's because the ball actually traveled almost 31 yards in the air. Your current reasoning is akin to saying "it's not that impressive because he's only credited with a 5 yard pass."

 

Once again, you originally critiqued Schaubs's arm strength by claiming the TD throw to Camp only traveled "20 yards in the air". That was obviously an incorrect statement, and once I demonstrated that the ball actually traveled 33 yards in the air, you started talking about yards from scrimmage, broken coverages, YAC, and various other points that have no bearing on how far that ball actually traveled in the air (which, again, was the only point I made).

[Tru11]

Wait, what? When did I move the goal posts?

 

I haven't changed the discussion at all. It was you who assumed I meant something that I didn't. When you calculate yards for football, you don't count the yards behind the line of scrimmage or the horizontal yards. If we did that then you are saying what was a 45 yard TD pass should have been +3 yards for behind the line of scrimmage and then another 11 from it going from the hash to the numbers. Schaub threw a 59 yard TD pass then and the NFL has it all wrong. You go ahead and put a feather in your own cap if you want to, but nobody else is going to buy your extra yardage.

 

So what is indisputable is the pass was about 50/50 Schaub's arm (24 yards through the air past the LOS and no, hashmark to numbers yards don't count. Only vertical yardage counts in the NFL) and Camp's legs (21 yards YAC). It was a broken coverage and it was only a TD because Camp made somebody miss him down field. It took vision from Schaub to see the broken coverage, the ability to deliver the ball to Camp and he did well on that. It also took good work from Camp. I am happy to see that Schaub can still capitalize on broken coverages and that his short to mid range game looks pretty good. That's what he's always been known for.

 

if the LOS is on the 20 yard line and the QB drops back to the endzone and throws it to the 30 yard line , he gets credited for a 10 yard pass but the ball traveled at least 30 yards.

 

if the balls is on the opponents goal line and the QB drops back to his own 50 yard line and then completes a pass into the endzone , he gets credited for less then a yard passing but the ball clearly traveled over 50 yards.

 

they are clearly 2 different things and you where clearly talking about how far the ball traveled in the air and not how many yards gained from scrimmage.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

He really did. I hope he wins the starting position up there.

 

One of my Marine buddies that I played football with lives in Upstate N.Y.

The moment the Bills signed T.T. he sent me a gmail stating how they were thrilled and viewed Tyrod as a "steal" for the price! Evidently, the folks in that region also believe he can start for them and do some great things there!   

I am intently watching this and hoping for Tyrod's success! He's a class act who found himself in a "no win" situation here as far as playing time and respect was counted.    

He is, however, the bearer of a Super Bowl Ring!

[EdTheMythicalOne]

if the LOS is on the 20 yard line and the QB drops back to the endzone and throws it to the 30 yard line , he gets credited for a 10 yard pass but the ball traveled at least 30 yards.

 

if the balls is on the opponents goal line and the QB drops back to his own 50 yard line and then completes a pass into the endzone , he gets credited for less then a yard passing but the ball clearly traveled over 50 yards.

 

they are clearly 2 different things and you where clearly talking about how far the ball traveled in the air and not how many yards gained from scrimmage.

 

I was talking about how many yards the play earned from the pass from Schaub. I was merely pointing out that he gets credit for a 45 yard TD pass, but about half of that was YAC from Camp. You don't factor into the stats how many yards behind the line of scrimmage he got or that he was throwing it across the field. That's not how football works. I "THOUGHT" most people would understand this but I see I have to spell everything out for some people. It shouldn't be news to anyone that Matt Schaub's arm strength wasn't exactly elite even in his prime. It isn't beyond believable that at age 34 he's probably lost a little bit on his ball too. Case in point was a deep ball attempt he actually tried in the same game and it looked bad. He didn't attempt and long throws against the Eagles either. Flacco looked bad too. Renner was the only one who looked decent, but he was going up against 3rd string and bubble roster players. Everything with a grain of salt. I am not actually looking at pure statistics in the pre-season, but just at how guys play. Schaub so far looks like he is making some pretty good decisisons with the ball and that is what you really want in a back up. His arm looks like it can still play in the NFL, but I still want Joe Flacco for the whole season.