[News] Matt Schaub Quiets Criticism In Ravens Debut

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The veteran quarterback led the Ravens on scoring drives in his first three series of the game.

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[Ravensfansince03]

Ryan Jensen #66 is going to be an heck of an offensive lineman.

Edited August 15, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[b93333]

I for one believe that if our luck runs out... and Joes misses some time we will still have a good chance to win. That's the first time I have felt this way since Bolger retired.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

Well, b93333 I can agree, in part, with you!

 

I'm in the 60-40% club - 40% who isn't so sure that Schaub's the same guy who put up those 4,000 yard seasons!

 

I just hope he's not the guy Houston traded! Then, it's careful what you wished for because I was happy with our past back up but understand he wanted to move on!

 

 

I'll tell ya what though - this one guy,... his name escapes me,... really looked good for the Bills! 

Edited August 15, 2015 by Mystigo_Dragon

[reed20fence]

Houston is not a healthy environment or organization the way the McNairs have built and organized it. It's still very ameteurish in its outlook and approach in a lot of things.

Thats's not excusing that Schaub definitely struggled in 2013, but the Texans are the kinda place that instead of lifting a player up when he struggles they absolutely destroy his hopes under a barrage of attitude.

[CQ1]

Keep up the great work, Matt. PLAY LIKE A RAVEN !

[RavensFootballFan]

I thought Matt did a very good job during the game. I am glad he is our backup to Joe because of his experience with the offense the Ravens are running and it showed he knew what he was doing.

Edited August 15, 2015 by RavensFootballFan

[reed20fence]

I like that people are starting to savvy up as to why we made this move. It's an underappreciated point but this guy is probably the league's best technician when it comes to the play action pass.

Whereas with guys like Tyrod you almost have to have a second package of plays specific to his skill sets, with Schaub you have a very experienced QB in the West Coast zone blocking scheme. So the farthest reaches of your depth chart on offense are not only comfertable with their role in the scheme, they can excel if called upon.

Our backup quarterback position is no longer an insurance policy for its own sake, it ensures that every position across the offense is well insured because even the second and third team guys are being led by someone that's got a doctorate in Kubiak's offense.

Edited August 15, 2015 by reed20fence

[Orange_Peanut]

RENNER4MVP! *runs away*

[ravgo52]

Matt did a great job! But, I gotta agree with Orange Peanut! Renner 4MVP! Yeah Buddy!

[stampedehero]

Matt Schawb succeeded because the system he is in succeeds. Renner was a surprise! Excellent  I feel good for both of them.   

[January J]

Well, b93333 I can agree, in part, with you!

I'm in the 60-40% club - 40% who isn't so sure that Schaub's the same guy who put up those 4,000 yard seasons!

I just hope he's not the guy Houston traded! Then, it's careful what you wished for because I was happy with our past back up but understand he wanted to move on!

I'll tell ya what though - this one guy,... his name escapes me,... really looked good for the Bills!

cassell or ej Manuel ?

Schaub definitely gave me a little more confidence that if joe went down for a few weeks he could carry us through and hopefully get us a win or 2. I'm sure if that happens many of us will kiss our season goodbye but if our defense is as good as I think it will be all Schaub will have to do is be a decent game manager and put together a few scoring drives and we"ll be fine.

[NeilfromBarbados]

Alright Garrett Downing, and everybody else in Ravens Nation who is breathing a sigh of relief because of Matt Schaub's performance on Thursday... just slow your roll a bit. It was just one game, and there are 3 more preseason games to assess this guy. Perhaps he just needed the right system to be in. He stated that personal issues in the last few years contributed to his poor performance - he is a human being, so this is understandable.Let's just see a few more snaps in game conditions before we really feel relieved. I am very happy that he looked as good as he did. I also hope that the Ravens keep a 3rd QB this year... Schaub is not going to be around forever, and Renner can have a positive future.

[Jim Giampaoli]

I'm more interested in seeing what Renner can do. Schaub's been around for awhile. He can only, at his age, come around to his old self, maybe? No matter how good, he isn't going to ever replace Flacco. It may come down to wanting to put in Renner rather than Schaub. Years down the road, Renner replaces Flacco, again maybe? I saw some good things from that kid the other night.

[100CrystalClear]

Ryan Jensen #66 is going to be an heck of an offensive lineman.

I was really happy to finally see him. I remember the staff keeping him on the active roster all season in 2013, his rookie season, even though he was too injured to activate on game day. They really believed in him and wanted him practicing with the team. It was questioned all season. But, as usual, the staff knew best. Now look - we now have a quality backup Center in case Zuttah goes out.

[beasy2487]

I'm more interested in seeing what Renner can do. Schaub's been around for awhile. He can only, at his age, come around to his old self, maybe? No matter how good, he isn't going to ever replace Flacco. It may come down to wanting to put in Renner rather than Schaub. Years down the road, Renner replaces Flacco, again maybe? I saw some good things from that kid the other night.

...Bryn Renner will never be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Never.

[100CrystalClear]

...Bryn Renner will never be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Never.

That's awful. Never say "never".

[100CrystalClear]

My post about "being happy to finally see him...", about two below, was about Ryan Jensen. I tried to reply with quote from earlier post about him and I screwed it up. I ended up quoting alone in one post and then adding reply in a second one. Well I'm getting better at least. I had to ask for help from other users in order to get that far.

[Jim Giampaoli]

One must never say that a rookie will never be a "starter". John Unitas was playing sandlot football in Pittsburgh. Both the Browns and the Steelers dumped him. A 25 cent telephone call brought him to Baltimore. When he came to play for the Colts he was, for all intense and purposes, a rookie quarterback.

Edited August 16, 2015 by Jim Giampaoli

[Moderator 3]

My post about "being happy to finally see him...", about two below, was about Ryan Jensen. I tried to reply with quote from earlier post about him and I screwed it up. I ended up quoting alone in one post and then adding reply in a second one. Well I'm getting better at least. I had to ask for help from other users in order to get that far.

Merged them for you. Just add your comments following the last ] of the qoute when you want to reply.

[Mystigo_Dragon]

cassell or ej Manuel ?

Schaub definitely gave me a little more confidence that if joe went down for a few weeks he could carry us through and hopefully get us a win or 2. I'm sure if that happens many of us will kiss our season goodbye but if our defense is as good as I think it will be all Schaub will have to do is be a decent game manager and put together a few scoring drives and we"ll be fine.

I was being sarcastic about "the name escapes me",... I was definitely IMPRESSED at how Tyrod Taylor handled the Bills' offense!   

Let em fly! 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I will be pulling for Schaub because he is a Raven, but I am not going to let that cloud my judgement. Yes, he was a pro bowl QB...but he wasn't one the last couple of years. He got benched in Houston and couldn't even get the #2 job in Oakland. The scoop on him was that he lost zip on his arm and would check down all the time rather than try to stretch the field. He became predictable and that's why he threw all those INT's and the pick sixes.

Like another poster said, it was only on pre season game against backups. That 45 yard TD pass was about maybe 20 yards in the air and 25 Campanaro's legs. Schaub only attempted one other deep pass which was a HUGE arcing rainbow that Butler had to dive for and it went out of bounds even if he had held onto it. That pass had nothing on it and looked like a punt or a grenade toss. Even so, it was a good try because it shows the defense that you are willing to throw deep. I am glad he had a great game and that has got to give him a lot of confidence. Confidence is very important and it can really make a big difference in how you perform. Somebody lacking confidence would second guess himself and maybe not throw the pass on time.

It was a good first step. He plays like this throughout the pre season and then I will be more confident in believing there is still a little magic left in the hat.

[MYTH420]

Ryan Jensen #66 is going to be an heck of an offensive lineman.

Maybe, but not this year. In all likelihood the Ravens will carry 8 OL this year. Monroe, Yanda, Zuttah, Osemele, Wagner, Urschel, Hurst, and Myers. Myers is a draft pick so he's in. Urschel and Hurst are proven backups and capable starters. And by some miracle they do carry 9 OL, Reid will probably get that spot. The question is, is Jensen eligible for the Practice Squad. He was inactive for his Rookie season. The 2 extra spots on the Practice Squad, they implemented last year are allowed to have 3 seasons and still be eligible. We'll have to wait and see, but he won't make the 53, there's just no room.

[HailFlacco5]

I'm glad we have someone like Schaub to sling the ball to these guys who are all fighting for positions on the depth chart. That 45 yarder to Camp was a beaut!!

[TXRavensFan]

That 45 yard TD pass was about maybe 20 yards in the air and 25 Campanaro's legs.

 

To give credit where credit is due, Schaub threw the ball from between midfield and the Ravens 45 (say the 48 to be conservative), and Camp caught it at the 21 - so that's 31 yards right there. He also threw it from the hash mark to the numbers, which is about 11 yards. Using a bit of math, the ball went about 33 yards in the air.

[Cawtious]

Maybe, but not this year. In all likelihood the Ravens will carry 8 OL this year. Monroe, Yanda, Zuttah, Osemele, Wagner, Urschel, Hurst, and Myers. Myers is a draft pick so he's in. Urschel and Hurst are proven backups and capable starters. And by some miracle they do carry 9 OL, Reid will probably get that spot. The question is, is Jensen eligible for the Practice Squad. He was inactive for his Rookie season. The 2 extra spots on the Practice Squad, they implemented last year are allowed to have 3 seasons and still be eligible. We'll have to wait and see, but he won't make the 53, there's just no room.

Eligible. 

 

A risk to place him on the PS is someone may very well grab him off waivers (Think Kubiak).   Reid if cut is out of work unless someone else signs him.  Urschel has a brain injury.  With that intellect, how many of those does he risk before he goes back to academia and a career solving problems for NASA? The Ravens have invested much already in Jensen.  Myers was not picked too far up the scale from Jensen.  Jensen has more experience, versatility and from what I have seen......much tougher.  Meyers getting cut puts him out there for someone to grab, but I think the risk of him getting picked up would be less.  That gives him time to develop on the PS and we don't risk losing on the investment already made in Jensen.

 

I don't envy the front office decision on this one.

 

 In keeping with the thread, Matt Schaub impressed me.  The second string OL kept him upright and gave him the chance to go through his progressions. 

My .02

Edited August 16, 2015 by Cawtious

[EdTheMythicalOne]

To give credit where credit is due, Schaub threw the ball from between midfield and the Ravens 45 (say the 48 to be conservative), and Camp caught it at the 21 - so that's 31 yards right there. He also threw it from the hash mark to the numbers, which is about 11 yards. Using a bit of math, the ball went about 33 yards in the air.

 

I watched the replay and the LOS was the 45. Schaub did a long drop back and then crow hopped back towards the LOS to around the 49/50 ish. If Camp catches it at the 21....how does 49-21= 31? To me, that is 28 yards. But in the NFL, you don't get credit for the yards the ball is in the air behind the LOS. Nor do you get credit for horizontal yards. So with actual football statistics he had 24 yards through the air (45 to the 21) and then there was 21 YAC by Camp.

 

It was a completely blown coverage by a line backer that really had no business being in coverage of Camp anyway. Schaub saw Camp get behind the backer and there was no over the top help. So I give credit to Schaub for seeing it and reacting to it properly and throwing a pass to a wide open receiver who then used his legs and a nifty cut move to get the TD.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Maybe, but not this year. In all likelihood the Ravens will carry 8 OL this year. Monroe, Yanda, Zuttah, Osemele, Wagner, Urschel, Hurst, and Myers. Myers is a draft pick so he's in. Urschel and Hurst are proven backups and capable starters. And by some miracle they do carry 9 OL, Reid will probably get that spot. The question is, is Jensen eligible for the Practice Squad. He was inactive for his Rookie season. The 2 extra spots on the Practice Squad, they implemented last year are allowed to have 3 seasons and still be eligible. We'll have to wait and see, but he won't make the 53, there's just no room.

 

I started to look at what the 53 man roster would look like just to figure out how many at each position the Ravens could potentially keep. I put down who I knew for sure would make it, then filled in the rest with who I thought would make it, and then had some spots left over for a question mark...that spot is up for grabs really. I wanted to look at it on paper to see just how many at each position could potentiall be on the roster. I'll list it and see what you guys think.

 

1 QB1: Joe Flacco

2 QB2: Matt Schaub

3 HB1: Justin Forsett

4 HB2: Lorenzo Taliafero

5 HB3: Buck Allen

6 FB: Kyle Jusczyzck

7 WR1: Steve Smith

8 WR2: Breshad Perriman

9 WR3: Kamar Aiken

10 WR4: Marlon Brown

11 WR5: Jeremy Butler

12 WR6: Micheal Campanaro

13 TE1: Crockett Gilmore

14 TE2: Maxx Williams

15 TE3: Nick Boyle

16 LT: Eugene Monroe

17 LG: Kelechi Osemele

18 C: Jeremy Zuttah

19 RG: Marshal Yanda

20 RT: Ricky Wagner

21 OL: John Urschel

22 OL: James Hurst

23 LS: Morgan Cox

24 K: Justin Tucker

25 P: Sam Koch

 

26 DL1: Brandon Williams

27 DL2: Timmy Jernigan

28 DL3: Chris Canty

29 DL4: Carl Davis

30 DL5: Lawrence Guy

31 DL6: Steven Means/Kapron Lewis-Moore/Christo Bilukidi

32 OLB1: Terrell Suggs

33 OLB2: Elvis Dumervil

34 OLB3: Courtney Upshaw

35 OLB4: Za'Darius Smith

36 MLB1: Darryl Smith

37 MLB2: C.J. Mosley

38 MLB3: Zach Orr

39 MLB4: Albert McClellan

40 CB1: Jimmy Smith

41 CB2: Lardarius Webb

42 CB3: Kyle Arrington

43 CB4: Asa Jackson

44 CB5: Cassius Vaughn/Rashan Melvin/Tray Walker/Quinton Pointer

45 S1: Kendrick Lewis

46 S2: Will Hill

47 S3: Anthony Levine

48 S4: Brynden Trawick

49 OPEN SLOT  EXTRA DL? I think it goes to Bilukidi over Lewis-Moore as Bilukidi plays NT and KLM is an end

50 OPEN SLOT EXTRA DB? Lot of guys fighting for that 5th CB slot, I put Quinton Pointer here if they take 6.

51 OPEN SLOT EXTRA WR? Darren Waller

52 OPEN SLOT EXTRA OL? I am pretty certain the Ravens will keep at least 8 OL and I give it to Jensen as a C.

53 OPEN SLOT could be anything...but it goes to whomever actually shows up between Kapron Lewis-Moore (DL), Arthur Brown (MLB), Brennen Beyer (OLB), or Robert Myers (OG) or even Nick Perry (S).

 

I think the team is getting sick of Jah Reid and he's a goner, he makes the team if one of the others ahead of him gets hurt. This also assumes all these guys are healthy to go for the season. Most teams go with 2 QB slots because the 3rd can stay on the roster as an emergency slot and not take up a roster spot. 3 HB is pretty standard. 1FB, 6 WR (7 potential), 3 TE, 8 OL (potential 9), 6 DL (potential 8), 4 OLB (potential 5), 4 MLB (potential 5), 5 CB (potential 6), 4 S (potential 5), 1K & 1P.

[TXRavensFan]

That 45 yard TD pass was about maybe 20 yards in the air and 25 Campanaro's legs. t.

 

 

I watched the replay and the LOS was the 45. Schaub did a long drop back and then crow hopped back towards the LOS to around the 49/50 ish. If Camp catches it at the 21....how does 49-21= 31? To me, that is 28 yards. But in the NFL, you don't get credit for the yards the ball is in the air behind the LOS. Nor do you get credit for horizontal yards. So with actual football statistics he had 24 yards through the air (45 to the 21) and then there was 21 YAC by Camp.

 

In the first quote you are using how many "yards in the air" the ball was thrown to support your argument that Schaub has lost arm strength. I simply pointed out that the ball traveled 33 yards in the air, not 20 as you claimed. The issue of many many yards he is credited for the completion was irrelevant to your argument and my response.

 

As far as the distance, on the replay he is clearly on the Ravens side of the 50 - I estimated at the Ravens 48. From this screen grab, one can see where he ended up after taking a couple of steps forward due to the momentum of the throw:

 

 

So, 50-21 = 29; 29+2 = 31. Accounting for the 11 yards from the hash to the numbers, the total distance "in the air", as I mentioned, was 33 yards (regardless of him being credited for a 45 yard completion).

Edited August 17, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[EdTheMythicalOne]

In the first quote you are using how many "yards in the air" the ball was thrown to support your argument that Schaub has lost arm strength. I simply pointed out that the ball traveled 33 yards in the air, not 20 as you claimed. The issue of many many yards he is credited for the completion was irrelevant to your argument and my response.

 

As far as the distance, on the replay he is clearly on the Ravens side of the 50 - I estimated at the Ravens 48. From this screen grab, one can see where he ended up after taking a couple of steps forward due to the momentum of the throw:

 

 

So, 50-21 = 29; 29+2 = 31. Accounting for the 11 yards from the hash to the numbers, the total distance "in the air", as I mentioned, was 33 yards (regardless of him being credited for a 45 yard completion).

 

Right, so you can toss out about 1/3 of the yardage you are using because the NFL doesn't measure yards behind the line of scrimmage or horizontal yards. Those aren't my rules, that's how the stats are kept. When you say a QB doesn't throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field...that is exactly what you mean. Vertically, down the field.

 

Whenever anyone says that a point I am making is irrelevant, I know the conversation is over. The points is, Schaub didn't throw a 45 yard bomb. It was a 20-25 yard pass and the rest was YAC. Just because he can complete a pass to a wide open WR in blown coverage doesn't mean he got the zip back on his arm...as I had mentioned the only really deep pass he tried to Butler down the sideline in another post. It looked like it hit some rain clouds along the way. He had a good night on moslty short to mid range passing. His biggest play came on a broken assignment from a linebacker in zone coverage to let Camp get wide open. An NFL QB should be able to hit a pass like that. Schaub did and he had a good game. Even the announcers said he is a Jekyl and Hyde performer. When he's on he's great, when he's off it is really bad....and these were our homer announcers saying this. Bottom line is, Schaub has A LOT to prove after his two pretty awful seasons. One good pre season game against backups isn't quite enough for me to feel confident in him. I hope he is good to go and has something in the tank just in case we need him. I'm a Ravens fan and I want my team to win.