Next UP: Philadelphia Eagles

[JoeyFlex5]

Kevin White is out for the year, they said HIS injury wasn't a big deal when it first happened... Perriman needs to start practicing. He's missing so much vital time for a rookie. Week 1 is gonna be a shoutout, it would be good to have him gain at least SOME experience before the game.

yea when I read about Kevin white needing surgery I got worried.. Idk tho, a bone bruise won't need surgery and it heals up on its own in a decent amount of time.. Unless they're blatantly lying to us then I don't think it'll be a problem

[TDubbs]

Kevin White is out for the year, they said HIS injury wasn't a big deal when it first happened... Perriman needs to start practicing. He's missing so much vital time for a rookie. Week 1 is gonna be a shoutout, it would be good to have him gain at least SOME experience before the game.

 

I'd hate to beat a dead horse ... however, all Giants fans were saying the exact same thing about OBJ a this same time last year. Also, by all accounts, that was a much more serious injury. 

[January J]

yea when I read about Kevin white needing surgery I got worried.. Idk tho, a bone bruise won't need surgery and it heals up on its own in a decent amount of time.. Unless they're blatantly lying to us then I don't think it'll be a problem

where have I been I didn't even know about the Kevin white injury. What type of injury was it? I really hope we can get perriman on the feild against the eagles. I always wondered if we would have taken agholer over him had we had the choice. Edited August 15, 2015 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

where have I been I didn't even know about the Kevin white injury. What type of injury was it? I really hope we can get perriman on the feild against the eagles. I always wondered if we would have taken agholer over him had we had the choice.

where have I been I didn't even know about the Kevin white injury. What type of injury was it? I really hope we can get perriman on the feild against the eagles. I always wondered if we would have taken agholer over him had we had the choice.

stress fracture in his shin requiring surgery. I actually just read and update on perriman that said there's tendon damage, but barbs once again iterated the doctors are optimistic, maybe not against the Eagles but some point in the preseason

[January J]

stress fracture in his shin requiring surgery. I actually just read and update on perriman that said there's tendon damage, but barbs once again iterated the doctors are optimistic, maybe not against the Eagles but some point in the preseason

So there's tendon damage whatdoyaknow. No wonder Harbs had a bad feelin in his stomach. Figured it had to be something on top of the bruise. Well as long as he can make it back for a preseason game or two I guess everything will work out alright.

[Cillmatic]

Tendon damage? So he might be a complete known factor this year?

Edited August 15, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

I haven't seen any source that confirms there's tendon damage. The reality is, from what I've seen, there's no definitive answer explaining why he's out. Maybe I just missed this report that confirms tendon damage, but everything I've read is speculation.

We need to be careful saying that he has a damaged tendon when that's not been confirmed yet.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

think he'll get more pash rush this year? for all his strength and even having ngata next to him, he didn't seem to get much push..run stopping wise he is elite..but i'd like to see more in the pass rush department where a guy with that kind of strength should really be getting around 3 sacks per year.

He got push. He got his pressures. Even with Ngata last year he was our best dlinemen. I expect 3 sacks.

[GrimCoconut]

Not too many DL playing NT get sacks. After watching him play DE, though (or I suppose DT if you want to be specific) I wonder if Jernigan may take the DE spot and have a starting DL of potentially Williams | Davis | Jernigan.

 

I'll be watching to see what we do here. This is a good problem to have except when it comes to handing out money lol.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Not too many DL playing NT get sacks. After watching him play DE, though (or I suppose DT if you want to be specific) I wonder if Jernigan may take the DE spot and have a starting DL of potentially Williams | Davis | Jernigan.

I'll be watching to see what we do here. This is a good problem to have except when it comes to handing out money lol.

Yeah, the weird thing was that we prodominantly played Davis at NT.

[Guest]

He got push. He got his pressures. Even with Ngata last year he was our best dlinemen. I expect 3 sacks.

 

We should probably point out that Haloti Ngata was double teamed much of the time he was on the field last year.  Ngata played 12 games due to the suspension and had 2 forced fumbles, 2 sacks, 7 defensed passes and 2 picks, earning the prize as our teams leading interceptor.  Don't throw at Ngata!  Considering all the double teams Ngata faced you've got a monumental argument saying Williams was a better defensive lineman.  FYI, Williams did have 1/2 sacks and no picks playing more games. He did have more tackles, but not a whole lot more and he got cleanup tackles from Ngata being occupied.

 

Our defense is still pretty good but one of the large questions is whether it will be as stout with Jernigan and Williams while without our Pro Bowl immoveable object. I don't believe it will. But one doesn't have to project in evaluating last year's performers that's known.  Where the rubber meets the road is whether a front office or fans can determine a players output for the coming year after changes have been made to the previous roster.

Edited August 16, 2015 by Danny D

[ravensdan]

Williams did have 1 sack, 3 QB his, 11 hurries compared to Ngata with 2 sacks, 2 Qb hits, 14 hurries, plus 4 deflected passes. So williams did affect the QB some but that's not his primary responsibility as the NT. Ngata to me is far and away the best interior lineman in the league throughout his career. He's not that amymore and Williams is a really good up and coming player but that's not the same as what Ngata was through his prime and I wouldn't expect that.

[JoeyFlex5]

I haven't seen any source that confirms there's tendon damage. The reality is, from what I've seen, there's no definitive answer explaining why he's out. Maybe I just missed this report that confirms tendon damage, but everything I've read is speculation.

We need to be careful saying that he has a damaged tendon when that's not been confirmed yet.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-harbaugh-optimistic-about-perrimans-return-20150815-story.html

Nothing confirmed but it's floating around out there. Tendon damage could in fact just be a bruised and swollen tendon from impact, for instance if this knee bruise is a bone bruise In the patella, then the patellar tendon could have caught some impact and gotten bruised as well.

[Guest]

Williams did have 1 sack, 3 QB his, 11 hurries compared to Ngata with 2 sacks, 2 Qb hits, 14 hurries, plus 4 deflected passes. So williams did affect the QB some but that's not his primary responsibility as the NT. Ngata to me is far and away the best interior lineman in the league throughout his career. He's not that amymore and Williams is a really good up and coming player but that's not the same as what Ngata was through his prime and I wouldn't expect that.

 

You may be using PFF as your source.  We have a stat discrepancy for Williams. .5 sacks, Zero passes defensed. But I'll be the first to acknowledge stats are not the tool one uses to determine value.

 

I like Brandon Williams, Brandon Williams is a friend of mine, but Brandon Williams is no Haloti Ngata.

 

Let's see where we are in rush yards allowed, because B.W. is never going to be a pass rush threat. I think we are going to give up more yards rushing this year than last.  If we are better against the run or Williams gets 5 sacks, I'll eat my crow.

[stampedehero]

More Zach Orr and Waller .  Hope Perriman plays.

[Sami84]

I'd like to see a combination of Davis-Williams -Jernigan as often as possible.

[harfordravenfan]

You may be using PFF as your source. We have a stat discrepancy for Williams. .5 sacks, Zero passes defensed. But I'll be the first to acknowledge stats are not the tool one uses to determine value.

I like Brandon Williams, Brandon Williams is a friend of mine, but Brandon Williams is no Haloti Ngata.

Let's see where we are in rush yards allowed, because B.W. is never going to be a pass rush threat. I think we are going to give up more yards rushing this year than last. If we are better against the run or Williams gets 5 sacks, I'll eat my crow.

I also think we may lose a little against the run but we have players throughout the line that can get penetration, its just a question of how they perform together and limiting the big runs. Agree the Williams is no ngata but he's still a handful of man that 1 guy will struggle against for most part, gap control will be the challenge for Davis and Jerrigan

[Guest]

I also think we may lose a little against the run but we have players throughout the line that can get penetration, its just a question of how they perform together and limiting the big runs. Agree the Williams is no ngata but he's still a handful of man that 1 guy will struggle against for most part, gap control will be the challenge for Davis and Jerrigan

 

Agree..and I do think our defensive line will be do the job. Our linebackers are more than solid.

Edited August 16, 2015 by Danny D

[beanfigger]

It'd be sweet if Renner can out Tebow the Eagles at the last second like last week.

[ravensdan]

You may be using PFF as your source. We have a stat discrepancy for Williams. .5 sacks, Zero passes defensed. But I'll be the first to acknowledge stats are not the tool one uses to determine value.

I like Brandon Williams, Brandon Williams is a friend of mine, but Brandon Williams is no Haloti Ngata.

Let's see where we are in rush yards allowed, because B.W. is never going to be a pass rush threat. I think we are going to give up more yards rushing this year than last. If we are better against the run or Williams gets 5 sacks, I'll eat my crow.

Yes. Pff stats are better. If two guys win and get to the QB on the same play that's a sack for both. But Williams strength is his run defense. We are in agreement there I believe. But I don't expect a huge drop off in run defense. We still have a tough and deep front.

[Bruce_Almty]

It's TebowTime on the NFL Network...fan excitement reaching a fevered pitch...media watching with bated trap.    

[Tank 92]

You may be using PFF as your source.  We have a stat discrepancy for Williams. .5 sacks, Zero passes defensed. But I'll be the first to acknowledge stats are not the tool one uses to determine value.

 

I like Brandon Williams, Brandon Williams is a friend of mine, but Brandon Williams is no Haloti Ngata.

 

Let's see where we are in rush yards allowed, because B.W. is never going to be a pass rush threat. I think we are going to give up more yards rushing this year than last.  If we are better against the run or Williams gets 5 sacks, I'll eat my crow.

I agree that Williams benefitted last year from Haloti gobbling up blockers. But he has a year under his belt and should improve this year. While we will sorely miss the Tongan Beast I think Williams and Jernigan will excel, pick up the slack and get the job done.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I agree that Williams benefitted last year from Haloti gobbling up blockers. But he has a year under his belt and should improve this year. While we will sorely miss the Tongan Beast I think Williams and Jernigan will excel, pick up the slack and get the job done.

Williams saw his fair share of double teams as well. He definitely benefitted from the presence of Ngata, but Ngata also saw benefit from having Williams next to him.

It wasn't a one way street.

[allblackraven]

Williams saw his fair share of double teams as well. He definitely benefitted from the presence of Ngata, but Ngata also saw benefit from having Williams next to him.

It wasn't a one way street.

Exactly. The best answer to that question were 4 games while Ngata was out for PED. Williams and Jernigan were better than just OK.

[Tank 92]

Shoulda known better. Haters! lol Just kiddin'.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Looking fwd to this week of practice. Living in the Philly suburbs I never get the chance to see Ravens training camp, and I'll finally get the chance to this week.

Also going to the game which will be my 1st ravens preseason game. Hoping Perriman plays. Really want to see what he can do in live action. Also looking forward to seeing Williams, Davis and Jernigan all lined up together.

We could have 3 pro bowl caliber players starting on the d line together for the next 3-5 years +. Ozzie has really struck gold the past few drafts on players in the front 7. Williams, Jernigan, Mosley, McPhee, Jones, Kruger, Upshaw and potentially Davis, Za'Darius, Urban, etc...

Were one lucky fan base and can't wait to see it up close and personal this week.

[JoeyFlex5]

What's this talk about how badly we will miss ngata? Guys, Timmy Jernigan is going to be a perennial pro bowler if he stays healthy, Brandon Williams may be the best pure NT in the league, we unload ngatas huge contract and replace him with cheaper options who are actually superior players at this point in their respective careers. Come on now, these aren't just journeyman players and unknowns were fielding, were replacing ngata with a STUD in Jernigan and we have a STUD at NT with Williams, there isn't much to worry abut unless we get the injury bug

[stampedehero]

It'd be sweet if Renner can out Tebow the Eagles at the last second like last week.

I would like t see a Renner vs Tebow quarter

[wayne]

Yea, Ngata was nothing like how he use to be and I feel more than confident with Williams, Jerrigan, and Co. The primary job of your d-lineman in the 3-4 is to stop the run and eat up blockers to allow your LBs to roam freely, sacks are a plus.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yea, Ngata was nothing like how he use to be and I feel more than confident with Williams, Jerrigan, and Co. The primary job of your d-lineman in the 3-4 is to stop the run and eat up blockers to allow your LBs to roam freely, sacks are a plus.

in this day and age, at least one of your 3 down linemen are expected to generate solid pass rush, you are average at best as a 3-4DE who can only stop the run, he may be the starter, but the rotational guy behind him who brings the pressure on 3rd and long  is the valuable guy. thats why someone like lawrence guy is unheard of, while pernell mcphee gets a blockbuster contract, guess which one is god awful at defending the run?

 

luckily, we have a guy who needs no rotation, jernigan can do it all, and he does it with baaaad intentions.