[News] John Harbaugh Comes To Matt Schaub's Defense

[Tru11]

Yeah, telling it like it is. In 2013 Case Keenum was the new starter and he threw 9TD and 6 INTs and threw for 1760 yards for a QB rating of 78.2. While that isn't exactly setting the world on fire; it was better than Schaub throwing for 2310 yards 10TD and 14 INT and a rating of 73.0. The team thought so little of them, they benched him and THEN traded their franchise QB away for a 6th round pick because they didn't want him anymore. You bring up the running game, but Keenum had the same running attack that Schaub did and yet he performed better. He didn't turn the ball over more times than he scored it.

 

As for the Raiders...I am not sure how else to explain this to you. Schaub not playing at all and being the 3RD string QB should tell you exactly what the Raiders thought of him. The Raiders....one of the worst teams in the league....didn't want Schaub starting for them. They didn't even want him to be the back up. I don't care what draft pick they used to get him. I don't care what the expecations of Carr were. You honestly don't think they would have started Schaub if he looked impressive at all in camp in order to let the youngster learn the system a bit more before throwing him to the wolves like most teams do with all of their QB's? He wasn't even good enough to be Carr's backup. He was the back up to the backup.

 

2013 and 2014 aren't a good reflection of the QB you think he can be. I think it is a perfect example of the QB he has become.

 

how many games did keenum win?

 

you do know kubiak got fired right?

he benched schaub to save his job and failed lol.

 

new coach comes in and decides to start over.

thats nothing new or special.

 

its another fact you forgot to mention.

its pretty normal for a new coach to cut ties with some of the older players to start over and get his own guys and shape the team to how he likes it...

 

As for the raiders.

if you draft a QB high you expect him to start sooner then later.

from the moment carr was drafted , it was his job to loose and he preformed pretty good.

its not a suprise really since he was seen as 1 of the most pro ready QBs in the draft.

you make it seem like carr is some terrible QB like manziel orso.....

 

give the kid credit.

he made the most of his chance and is on course to have a promising career.

 

seriously if schaub was really so bad as you try to make him out to be , the ravens would not have signed him to such a good deal.

 

you are free to provide me with your credentials that shows you are a better talent evaluator then our FO.

apparently they saw enough from 2013 and 2014 to sign him .

[EdTheMythicalOne]

how many games did keenum win?

 

you do know kubiak got fired right?

he benched schaub to save his job and failed lol.

 

new coach comes in and decides to start over.

thats nothing new or special.

 

its another fact you forgot to mention.

its pretty normal for a new coach to cut ties with some of the older players to start over and get his own guys and shape the team to how he likes it...

 

As for the raiders.

if you draft a QB high you expect him to start sooner then later.

from the moment carr was drafted , it was his job to loose and he preformed pretty good.

its not a suprise really since he was seen as 1 of the most pro ready QBs in the draft.

you make it seem like carr is some terrible QB like manziel orso.....

 

give the kid credit.

he made the most of his chance and is on course to have a promising career.

 

seriously if schaub was really so bad as you try to make him out to be , the ravens would not have signed him to such a good deal.

 

you are free to provide me with your credentials that shows you are a better talent evaluator then our FO.

apparently they saw enough from 2013 and 2014 to sign him .

 

I think this is the last post I am going to make in reply to you. If you don't quite understand where I am coming from there is really little else I can tell you to make you see it. Let's clear up what the Ravens are paying him. They are paying him essentially $2 million dollars this season which is actually low end, veteran back up money. He can earn another million in incentives. For comparison the Raven's paid Marc Bulger $3.8 million with a chance to earn up to $5.3 million total with incentives in 2010. So it isn't like the Ravens are paying Schaub crazy money...in footbal terms anyway. To me, $2 million is a ton of cash.

 

Keenum didn't win any games, but apparently he wasn't the reason why they were losing games. Schaub won a whole 2 games. So...let's not act like Schaub was lighting it up and setting the world on fire. Schaube was horrible, Keenum was less horrible.

 

Yeah, Kubiak lost his job, became our offensive coordinator....and he's coaching again. Go figure. He benched Schaub after giving him a LONG leash because he finally realised Schaub was losing his team games and couldn't win any. He had nothing to lose by putting Keenum in there. Keenum might be the future and Schaub certainly wasn't.

 

Yeap, coaches clean house. The Texans knew they had a washed up QB that was costing them a lot of money, nearing the end of his contract, and he had no future there. The Raiders scooped him up hoping he could at least provide stability to the offense while Carr learned from the sidelines. Then camp happened. Carr played his way into the starting role and Schaub played his way to third on the depth chart. This has nothing to do with Carr and I am not and have not ripped on Carr. This has everything to do with Schaub.

 

The Ravens signed Schaub to a deal because they didn't want to re-up and pay Tyrod Taylor. They wanted somebody who might actually be able to do more than just be QB in name only and possibly manage a game in case Flacco goes down. Most teams employ a fairly well paid second stringer no matter who that is. Take a look around the league and see some of the scrubs making nice money to never play. The Ravens did it years ago with Bulger.

 

I don't need to provide you with any credentials. If you can't see the writing on the wall as I see it, then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He has a horrible 2013, he gets demoted to third string, not second string, but third string...ON THE RAIDERS. If that doesn't tell you where he's at in his career then I don't know what will. I think the fork is stuck in Schaub and he's done. Hopefully we'll never have to see him on the field in relief of Flacco.

Edited August 12, 2015 by EdTheMythicalOne

[Tru11]

I think this is the last post I am going to make in reply to you. If you don't quite understand where I am coming from there is really little else I can tell you to make you see it. Let's clear up what the Ravens are paying him. They are paying him essentially $2 million dollars this season which is actually low end, veteran back up money. He can earn another million in incentives. For comparison the Raven's paid Marc Bulger $3.8 million with a chance to earn up to $5.3 million total with incentives in 2010. So it isn't like the Ravens are paying Schaub crazy money...in footbal terms anyway. To me, $2 million is a ton of cash.

 

Keenum didn't win any games, but apparently he wasn't the reason why they were losing games. Schaub won a whole 2 games. So...let's not act like Schaub was lighting it up and setting the world on fire. Schaube was horrible, Keenum was less horrible.

 

Yeah, Kubiak lost his job, became our offensive coordinator....and he's coaching again. Go figure. He benched Schaub after giving him a LONG leash because he finally realised Schaub was losing his team games and couldn't win any. He had nothing to lose by putting Keenum in there. Keenum might be the future and Schaub certainly wasn't.

 

Yeap, coaches clean house. The Texans knew they had a washed up QB that was costing them a lot of money, nearing the end of his contract, and he had no future there. The Raiders scooped him up hoping he could at least provide stability to the offense while Carr learned from the sidelines. Then camp happened. Carr played his way into the starting role and Schaub played his way to third on the depth chart. This has nothing to do with Carr and I am not and have not ripped on Carr. This has everything to do with Schaub.

 

The Ravens signed Schaub to a deal because they didn't want to re-up and pay Tyrod Taylor. They wanted somebody who might actually be able to do more than just be QB in name only and possibly manage a game in case Flacco goes down. Most teams employ a fairly well paid second stringer no matter who that is. Take a look around the league and see some of the scrubs making nice money to never play. The Ravens did it years ago with Bulger.

 

I don't need to provide you with any credentials. If you can't see the writing on the wall as I see it, then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. He has a horrible 2013, he gets demoted to third string, not second string, but third string...ON THE RAIDERS. If that doesn't tell you where he's at in his career then I don't know what will. I think the fork is stuck in Schaub and he's done. Hopefully we'll never have to see him on the field in relief of Flacco.

 

to get demoted he had to be a starter first ......

 

he was never the starter for the raiders.

 

its hard to see things your way when you are making stuff up....

 

if he really was done the ravens would not have signed him.

 

its hilarious how you try to portait yourself as a better evaluator then our FO.

 

he clearly has enough to offer for the ravens to sign him...

 

ow well 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

to get demoted he had to be a starter first ......

 

he was never the starter for the raiders.

 

its hard to see things your way when you are making stuff up....

 

if he really was done the ravens would not have signed him.

 

its hilarious how you try to portait yourself as a better evaluator then our FO.

 

he clearly has enough to offer for the ravens to sign him...

 

ow well 

 

Really....you have to be the starter first to get demoted? Well, he was the starter in Houston and he was demoted. Then he wasn't even good enough to be named the starter in Oakland...or to be named the backup. The Raiders had him under contract and they released him at the end of the season rather than keep him...that's why he became a free agent.

 

What exactly am I making up? I am not making up the statistics. I am not making up what happened to him in Oakland. I am not making up that he had an elbow issue in Oakland. I am not making up that the word around NFL scouts is that his arm is done, that he's lost the zip he once had. I am not making up that he's getting paid low end money for the Ravens.

 

The Ravens signed him to be a warm body. They'd rather have his experience and diminished arm strength sitting in the wings if needed than to hand the ball over to an undrafted rookie free agent QB or to pay Tyrod Taylor more money to do the same job as Schaub. Taylor will make $1.5 this season as a back up, but if he starts; which is a possibility because he's so far out played Manuel and he only has to do better than Cassell now, he can make around $3 million. So what's Ozzie's mantra? "Right player, right price." The cheap price tag on Schaub was right for the Ravens.

 

I've never claimed to know anything the Ravens don't. I'm sure the Ravens know what he is at this point of his career and I don't think it is a coincidence that having Marc Trestman as the OC and running a similar zone run offense that Schaub played in under Kubiak factored into the decision. By the way, did you know that the Ravens are still looking for a veteran backup and are contemplating releasing Schaub if one becomes available because they aren't exactly thrilled with his performance in camp? Harbaugh coming out and supporting Schaub was one of those dreaded "votes of confidence" and a good Head Coach trying to inject a gun shy, shot worn, pop gun armed veteran QB with some confidence that he's obvioously lost if you've watched him play at all within the past two seasons. 

 

Here's something you can watch for. The first pre season game is going to be played Thursday night and barring injuries, Schaub is supposed to play three quarters. Now I know pre season stats don't really mean much, but watch how Schaub plays. What are you looking for? When Schaub is in the pocket, watch his awareness and see if he rushes getting rid of the ball when he's really not in jeapordy of getting sacked. Also watch HOW he gets rid of it. The rub is that he checks down to the closest target horizontally next to him rather than trying something over the middle or down the field...which means he became predictable. Second, watch and see if he still is a "check down Charlie" and always seeks to hit his closest target instead of trying something down the field. The scoop on him and why he threw so many pick sixes is that teams scouting him realised he doesn't throw the ball more than 20 yards anymore so they can play the shallow routes and jump them. And lastly, the true sign of a guy that has lost it is when he can see the opening and can't pull the trigger...and like Scaub had in 2013, gets pummeled for sacks. Look for open receievers, Schaub seeing them, and either inexplicably holding onto the ball and/or pump faking, and then checking down to something closer and possibly into coverage. The reason being is that he hesitated too long and that time window to get the ball downfield has already passed and now he's trying to be "safe." Why am I telling you to look at all of this? How do I know what to tell you to look for? Well, I am not revealing all of my secrets just yet.

 

Now if he comes out guns blazing and throwing bombs down the field, then we know 2013 and the parts he did play of 2014 were outliers. Going on 34 and taking all the hits he had over his career, I just don't think there is much tread on the tires anymore. I could be wrong, have been before. We'll see. I'll be watching Schaub and the Ravens closely on Thursday and I hope you do as well. If he does indeed turn back the hands of time and plays lights out for the preseason I will come back in here and post to you that you were right. Got no problem doing that.

Edited August 12, 2015 by EdTheMythicalOne

[Tru11]

Really....you have to be the starter first to get demoted? Well, he was the starter in Houston and he was demoted. Then he wasn't even good enough to be named the starter in Oakland...or to be named the backup. The Raiders had him under contract and they released him at the end of the season rather than keep him...that's why he became a free agent.

 

What exactly am I making up? I am not making up the statistics. I am not making up what happened to him in Oakland. I am not making up that he had an elbow issue in Oakland. I am not making up that the word around NFL scouts is that his arm is done, that he's lost the zip he once had. I am not making up that he's getting paid low end money for the Ravens.

 

The Ravens signed him to be a warm body. They'd rather have his experience and diminished arm strength sitting in the wings if needed than to hand the ball over to an undrafted rookie free agent QB or to pay Tyrod Taylor more money to do the same job as Schaub. Taylor will make $1.5 this season as a back up, but if he starts; which is a possibility because he's so far out played Manuel and he only has to do better than Cassell now, he can make around $3 million. So what's Ozzie's mantra? "Right player, right price." The cheap price tag on Schaub was right for the Ravens.

 

I've never claimed to know anything the Ravens don't. I'm sure the Ravens know what he is at this point of his career and I don't think it is a coincidence that having Marc Trestman as the OC and running a similar zone run offense that Schaub played in under Kubiak factored into the decision. By the way, did you know that the Ravens are still looking for a veteran backup and are contemplating releasing Schaub if one becomes available because they aren't exactly thrilled with his performance in camp? Harbaugh coming out and supporting Schaub was one of those dreaded "votes of confidence" and a good Head Coach trying to inject a gun shy, shot worn, pop gun armed veteran QB with some confidence that he's obvioously lost if you've watched him play at all within the past two seasons. 

 

Here's something you can watch for. The first pre season game is going to be played Thursday night and barring injuries, Schaub is supposed to play three quarters. Now I know pre season stats don't really mean much, but watch how Schaub plays. What are you looking for? When Schaub is in the pocket, watch his awareness and see if he rushes getting rid of the ball when he's really not in jeapordy of getting sacked. Also watch HOW he gets rid of it. The rub is that he checks down to the closest target horizontally next to him rather than trying something over the middle or down the field...which means he became predictable. Second, watch and see if he still is a "check down Charlie" and always seeks to hit his closest target instead of trying something down the field. The scoop on him and why he threw so many pick sixes is that teams scouting him realised he doesn't throw the ball more than 20 yards anymore so they can play the shallow routes and jump them. And lastly, the true sign of a guy that has lost it is when he can see the opening and can't pull the trigger...and like Scaub had in 2013, gets pummeled for sacks. Look for open receievers, Schaub seeing them, and either inexplicably holding onto the ball and/or pump faking, and then checking down to something closer and possibly into coverage. The reason being is that he hesitated too long and that time window to get the ball downfield has already passed and now he's trying to be "safe." Why am I telling you to look at all of this? How do I know what to tell you to look for? Well, I am not revealing all of my secrets just yet.

 

Now if he comes out guns blazing and throwing bombs down the field, then we know 2013 and the parts he did play of 2014 were outliers. Going on 34 and taking all the hits he had over his career, I just don't think there is much tread on the tires anymore. I could be wrong, have been before. We'll see. I'll be watching Schaub and the Ravens closely on Thursday and I hope you do as well. If he does indeed turn back the hands of time and plays lights out for the preseason I will come back in here and post to you that you were right. Got no problem doing that.

 

let me guess: he was horrible right....

[January J]

Well I stand corrected. Was really pleased with schaubs performance overall, thought he did a good job commanding the offense. Hopefully he keeps it up.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

let me guess: he was horrible right....

 

Nope, he had a good game. His long TD pass came on a LB completely blowig his coverage assignment and then Campanaro made something happen after the catch. He should have had another legit TD pass to MaXX Williams that Maxx dropped. The pass that was intercepted that was blamed on Butler I also partially blame Schaub too. That was very tight coverage and he was clearly forcing that throw. That's one he should have eaten. The one telling play for me though was that deep bomb he threw to I think Butler down the sidelines. Butler had to dive for it and ultimately couldn't come down with it. That thing I think hit a few clouds on the way down the field and looked more like a grenade toss than a pass. Still, that's a nitpick on my part and I think he did very well. But, that was just one pre season game. I hope he keeps it up and proves me wrong. I don't hate the man, I just thought he was done is all.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Alright, I came out EARLY last off season to state how Schaub didn't have it anymore and with the hope we would never have to see him on the field. I caught a ton of flak for it and one fan in particular told me how wrong I was. Unfortunately Flacco got hurt and we had to witness what Matt Schaub had become and not what many hoped he wasn't. I am a man of my word and I had said that if Schaub got the opportunity and proved my words false that I would come on here and admit it. Unfortunately as well for the Ravens that scenario didn't take place.

I have to say that witnessing him in action was like watching something in a movie, a possible nightmare a QB would have. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before. The propensity for this man to throw an interception and have it returned for points repeatedly was truly amazing in a horrible way. Schaub lost his job to Clausen who then made way for Mallet.

Schaub says he's not done and still wants to play. After his last few seasons in the league though, I don't know of many teams that would want him to play for them. He may be able to hang on for another season somewhere as a back up.