Can Perriman be our first 1000 yard rookie receiver?

[Purple_City39]

He's not gonna be a free agent is he?

As of now, he's scheduled to be.  Some say he may not be eligible due to not playing enough games last year, but would the Browns even fight it to keep him?

[Ravens4Real]

As of now, he's scheduled to be. Some say he may not be eligible due to not playing enough games last year, but would the Browns even fight it to keep him?

The Browns nor Gordon can fight the issue. He's not a free agent next year. It's the year after. It is written into the CBA that to acrue a full season, one needs to play in 10 games/be active. Gordon only played in 9. There's no gray area.

If the Browns wanted to get rid of him, they would have already released him.

[Purple_City39]

The Browns nor Gordon can fight the issue. He's not a free agent next year. It's the year after. It is written into the CBA that to acrue a full season, one needs to play in 10 games/be active. Gordon only played in 9. There's no gray area.

If the Browns wanted to get rid of him, they would have already released him.

Well then I stand corrected.  

[BmoreBird22]

The Browns nor Gordon can fight the issue. He's not a free agent next year. It's the year after. It is written into the CBA that to acrue a full season, one needs to play in 10 games/be active. Gordon only played in 9. There's no gray area.

If the Browns wanted to get rid of him, they would have already released him.

 

 

Well then I stand corrected.  

It's actually six games and Gordon only played in five. He was suspended for 16, got it reduced to 10, then was suspended for the last game of 2014 for missing a team meeting. 

And, actually, Gordon will be a free agent after this year, he'll just be a RFA, significantly limiting the bargaining power that any team will have in contract talks. He would be an UFA in 2017 (after the 2016 season), if the Browns only chose to tender him for the second round pick and then not re-sign him longterm, which I doubt they will. 

[Ravens4Real]

It's actually six games and Gordon only played in five. He was suspended for 16, got it reduced to 10, then was suspended for the last game of 2014 for missing a team meeting.

And, actually, Gordon will be a free agent after this year, he'll just be a RFA, significantly limiting the bargaining power that any team will have in contract talks. He would be an UFA in 2017 (after the 2016 season), if the Browns only chose to tender him for the second round pick and then not re-sign him longterm, which I doubt they will.

Yes, you are right, also. I meant you needed to play in 6 games. You are allowed to miss 10 games. My mistake. But back to the original point, he will be an RFA but the Browns will probably put a first or second round tender on him. There isn't a chance that the Ravens or any other smart franchise will sacrifice that early of a pick for Gordon and his issues.

[BmoreBird22]

Yes, you are right, also. I meant you needed to play in 6 games. You are allowed to miss 10 games. My mistake. But back to the original point, he will be an RFA but the Browns will probably put a first or second round tender on him. There isn't a chance that the Ravens or any other smart franchise will sacrifice that early of a pick for Gordon and his issues.

All they have to do is original round tender him and it's a second. He's a Brown for at least another year... now, whether he plays or not is up for debate.

[DenverRaven]

So, how long until we get word that Perriman is on IR? I've been defending him up until the bye, but this is ridiculous. Sounds like if he isn't out there next week, he's done for the year.

[K-Dog]

So, how long until we get word that Perriman is on IR? I've been defending him up until the bye, but this is ridiculous. Sounds like if he isn't out there next week, he's done for the year.

I would say week 12.

Harbs said something about needing four games.

Really at this point I am pretty surprised he isn't on IR.

[PurpleCity5]

Some can argue that shunning Perriman from the roster and carrying on the off-season without him in mind would seem ridiculous and maybe disrespectful, but here's the truth, we have no evaluation of him. If we don't know at least what he can do and what he's capable of, then you're making a very risky gamble relying on him going into 2016. We don't know what he is as a WR, for all we know he could be a future All-Pro or a another WR bust for us. You can even hear from Harbaugh himself he's not only losing patience but wants to badly see what he's capable of for the future of this team.

 

Also, let's be honest here, there are concerning questions regarding Perriman. I don't even know what is up with this injury personally but you'd have to think, will his PCL be a long-term concern? He misses two months to a Grade 1 PCL Sprain and could miss another two months to the same injury. You're talking about a guy who is in danger of missing a whole season to a Grade-1 PCL sprain, being realistic is sometimes pessimistic, but at the same time, its sometimes the right thing to do. 

 

I personally believe we shouldn't rely on him as a starter, we should function as if WR is the biggest hole on the roster and aggressively attack the position. 

[GrimCoconut]

Some can argue that shunning Perriman from the roster and carrying on the off-season without him in mind would seem ridiculous and maybe disrespectful, but here's the truth, we have no evaluation of him. If we don't know at least what he can do and what he's capable of, then you're making a very risky gamble relying on him going into 2016. We don't know what he is as a WR, for all we know he could be a future All-Pro or a another WR bust for us. You can even hear from Harbaugh himself he's not only losing patience but wants to badly see what he's capable of for the future of this team.

 

Also, let's be honest here, there are concerning questions regarding Perriman. I don't even know what is up with this injury personally but you'd have to think, will his PCL be a long-term concern? He misses two months to a Grade 1 PCL Sprain and could miss another two months to the same injury. You're talking about a guy who is in danger of missing a whole season to a Grade-1 PCL sprain, being realistic is sometimes pessimistic, but at the same time, its sometimes the right thing to do. 

 

I personally believe we shouldn't rely on him as a starter, we should function as if WR is the biggest hole on the roster and aggressively attack the position. 

My questions are whether we know the truth about this injury. If we do, then I think Perriman is simply a soft player and doesn't want to play football at this time. There's no way he should have missed this much time if he didn't re-injure his knee and only has a grade-1 PCL sprain. Under those circumstances, he should be healed by now. If those two facts are, in fact, true, then he's as soft as Charmin and might not want to actually play football, unfortunately.

[jazz1988]

My questions are whether we know the truth about this injury. If we do, then I think Perriman is simply a soft player and doesn't want to play football at this time. There's no way he should have missed this much time if he didn't re-injure his knee and only has a grade-1 PCL sprain. Under those circumstances, he should be healed by now. If those two facts are, in fact, true, then he's as soft as Charmin and might not want to actually play football, unfortunately.

 

From what I read about Perriman during his college days the guy has not shy away from playing while hurt. We honestly don't know what's going on with him but if the doctors don't clear him to practice then  he can't practice.

[GrimCoconut]

From what I read about Perriman during his college days the guy has not shy away from playing while hurt. We honestly don't know what's going on with him but if the doctors don't clear him to practice then  he can't practice.

That's the crazy part of all this for me. I can't understand how he can be out this long if all things are true. Someone isn't telling the truth here. Things just don't make sense. Harbaugh comes across as if he's sick of the injury and just wants Perriman on the field as if he's frustrated with the situation to the point where it's almost implied that it's Perriman's fault in some way for his injury. Then again, Perriman has never had a history of injury issues before, a reason I gave him the benefit of the doubt when the injury first occurred.

 

Perhaps it's just that Harbaugh's frustrated with the injury and wants Perriman out there because he needs him, and he's more frustrated by these repeated questions than Perriman himself. It's hard to say anymore. I'll still talk about Perriman and I will cheer for the guy when he takes the field. I want him to do well. I'm just losing my faith here in him because we don't hear anything about him and this injury is typically one that doesn't take this long. 

 

If it is true, it should go in Guinness. 

[K-Dog]

Just a thought...

There could be privacy laws and Dr./ Patient confidentiality laws at play here.

Furthermore we still don't know if the doctors are not clearing him to play or its all his own decision.

[PurpleCity5]

My questions are whether we know the truth about this injury. If we do, then I think Perriman is simply a soft player and doesn't want to play football at this time. There's no way he should have missed this much time if he didn't re-injure his knee and only has a grade-1 PCL sprain. Under those circumstances, he should be healed by now. If those two facts are, in fact, true, then he's as soft as Charmin and might not want to actually play football, unfortunately.

Yeah, that is daunting and like I said, I already have my concerns about him. I don't really want to but the truth of the matter is his toughness, durability, and drive to get back to the field will be heavily in question. I wouldn't say he wouldn't want to play Football, but he's just a questionable player and I do question his toughness.

[Radinho84]

Yeah, that is daunting and like I said, I already have my concerns about him. I don't really want to but the truth of the matter is his toughness, durability, and drive to get back to the field will be heavily in question. I wouldn't say he wouldn't want to play Football, but he's just a questionable player and I do question his toughness.

this is not about pushing back to the field. this would be the dumbest thing to do right now. this is now about getting healthy and into football shape. we´ve already seen multiple times what happens when players are pushed back into action too early.

 

this might be a slow healing injury and it might not be a big thing either but it is serious enough for keeping him sidelined.

 

If they would have doubts that he will not be able to play he would have been added on IR already. But i think it is also a statement in his direction and should provide enough motivation to work his butt off...

 

I am curious to see what he will be able to add eventually...

[PurpleCity5]

this is not about pushing back to the field. this would be the dumbest thing to do right now. this is now about getting healthy and into football shape. we´ve already seen multiple times what happens when players are pushed back into action too early.

this might be a slow healing injury and it might not be a big thing either but it is serious enough for keeping him sidelined.

If they would have doubts that he will not be able to play he would have been added on IR already. But i think it is also a statement in his direction and should provide enough motivation to work his butt off...

I am curious to see what he will be able to add eventually...

In most cases, or maybe all, a Grade 1 PCL sprain wouldn't keep you out for long. There have been some players who suffered a PCL sprained and have returned no longer than a week or two. Its insane to me that he's been out this long to the same exact injury he suffered on July 30th. The fact that they found no new damage raises questions about his PCL and future.

[codizzle]

judt IR him.. This is annoying

[Dr. Kelley]

"Breshad Perriman has been ruled out as expected"

From this websites injury report this week

How bad is it that its gotten to the point that we just expect him to be out now for an injury that should have healed weeks ago

[Cillmatic]

"Breshad Perriman has been ruled out as expected"

From this websites injury report this week

How bad is it that its gotten to the point that we just expect him to be out now for an injury that should have healed weeks ago

Hell, it SHOULD'VE been healed months ago.

[Deflated Football]

Is Breshad even at the castle or is he just MIA altogether?

[Cillmatic]

Is Breshad even at the castle or is he just MIA altogether?

More like KIA, I'm not convinced this guy is even alive.

[jimmypowder]

I envision Perriman as a 1,000 yard receiver this year. I dreamt it last night!

[Cillmatic]

He probably won't be a 1,000 inch receiver this year.

[usmccharles]

He probably won't be a 1,000 inch receiver this year.

28 yards seems doable lol.

[callahan09]

"Breshad Perriman has been ruled out as expected"

From this websites injury report this week

How bad is it that its gotten to the point that we just expect him to be out now for an injury that should have healed weeks ago

 

Hell, it SHOULD'VE been healed months ago.

 

How do you know when it should have been healed?  What is his exact injury?  A sprained PCL?  What grade?  What is the injury recovery timeline for the specific grade of injury that he has?  From what I've been reading all these months, we as fans are just simply in the dark.  COACHES (and no-one else) indicates that he didn't have a severe injury.  The truth is obvious: They were wrong (or lying).  But they never told us what the exact injury is, or the severity.  I highly doubt we're dealing with a grade 1 PCL sprain here, or yes he would have been back on the field weeks (or months) ago.  If it's as bad as, say, a grade 3 sprain, a full year recovery is not out of the ordinary.  Even a grade 2 can take months.

[callahan09]

28 yards seems doable lol.

Torrey Smith was a full participant in all off-season activities, training camp, practices, etc. his rookie year, and was active during the first 2 games of his career, but had 0 catches in those first 2 games.  So even if Perriman starts practicing this coming week, at this point it's impossible for him to get as much training and chemistry with the playbook and Joe as Torrey got in his rookie year, and even Torrey couldn't get going until his 3rd game.  If Perriman comes back, it is actually, honestly possible that he will contribute as much as Torrey did during his first games: none (or perhaps very, very little... in Torrey's 4th game he was held to 1 catch for 1 yard... so in 3 out of Torrey's first 4 games he had a combined 1 catch for 1 yard).  So personally, I think it's possible that even if Perriman does get on the field at some point later this year he may not actually catch anything at all, unless it's some behind the line of scrimmage stuff just to get the ball in his hands, but going for no significant yardage.  It is possible, is all I'm saying.

[GrimCoconut]

How do you know when it should have been healed? What is his exact injury? A sprained PCL? What grade? What is the injury recovery timeline for the specific grade of injury that he has? From what I've been reading all these months, we as fans are just simply in the dark. COACHES (and no-one else) indicates that he didn't have a severe injury. The truth is obvious: They were wrong (or lying). But they never told us what the exact injury is, or the severity. I highly doubt we're dealing with a grade 1 PCL sprain here, or yes he would have been back on the field weeks (or months) ago. If it's as bad as, say, a grade 3 sprain, a full year recovery is not out of the ordinary. Even a grade 2 can take months.

The only flaw here is the agent could easily expose that the Ravens are lying if they are, in which case it would benefit the player because these assertions about his desire to get on the field would thus subside.

[beanfigger]

Torrey Smith was a full participant in all off-season activities, training camp, practices, etc. his rookie year, and was active during the first 2 games of his career, but had 0 catches in those first 2 games. So even if Perriman starts practicing this coming week, at this point it's impossible for him to get as much training and chemistry with the playbook and Joe as Torrey got in his rookie year, and even Torrey couldn't get going until his 3rd game. If Perriman comes back, it is actually, honestly possible that he will contribute as much as Torrey did during his first games: none (or perhaps very, very little... in Torrey's 4th game he was held to 1 catch for 1 yard... so in 3 out of Torrey's first 4 games he had a combined 1 catch for 1 yard). So personally, I think it's possible that even if Perriman does get on the field at some point later this year he may not actually catch anything at all, unless it's some behind the line of scrimmage stuff just to get the ball in his hands, but going for no significant yardage. It is possible, is all I'm saying.

If he gets on the field, he will at least get targets. Who else do we have that will keep him from that?

[BmoreBird22]

Is Breshad even at the castle or is he just MIA altogether?

Apparently he's been in meetings and at practice, just not practicing

[usmccharles]

Torrey Smith was a full participant in all off-season activities, training camp, practices, etc. his rookie year, and was active during the first 2 games of his career, but had 0 catches in those first 2 games. So even if Perriman starts practicing this coming week, at this point it's impossible for him to get as much training and chemistry with the playbook and Joe as Torrey got in his rookie year, and even Torrey couldn't get going until his 3rd game. If Perriman comes back, it is actually, honestly possible that he will contribute as much as Torrey did during his first games: none (or perhaps very, very little... in Torrey's 4th game he was held to 1 catch for 1 yard... so in 3 out of Torrey's first 4 games he had a combined 1 catch for 1 yard). So personally, I think it's possible that even if Perriman does get on the field at some point later this year he may not actually catch anything at all, unless it's some behind the line of scrimmage stuff just to get the ball in his hands, but going for no significant yardage. It is possible, is all I'm saying.

he's gonna see targets, he's gonna catch some.... But that's if he plays obviously.