Can Perriman be our first 1000 yard rookie receiver?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This injury is just going to be a crutch on perriman career now. People will say he cant get separation with that 4.2 - 4.3 speed cause of this "sprain". Perriman will play like a 4.5 - 4.6 players. Bust.

I love these totally hypothetical, baseless future scenerios that are being professed as near fact around here.

I can't wait til he comes back for the Miami game, has 2 or 3 huge plays where he flashes dominance and shuts all of the ridiculous over-reactors up.

Just if/when he does come back and plays well - don't cheer for him. Stand by your bust statements.

This talk sounds eerily similar to another former ravens 1st round pick who missed his ENTIRE rookie season due to an ankle sprain suffered on the opening kickoff that year.

That guy was supposedly a bust too. Now he's just one of the best young corners in the league.

-- can someone explain to me the point of practically hoping a Ravens player is terrible. Is it that you care more about being right than the team?

If he had played the preseason and looked great and then suffered this injury at the end of camp - would he still be a bust? If not, then you have no basis for calling him a bust now so just stop.

Perriman is a Raven. This injury is frustrating for sure, but it WILL heal at some point. And when it does he's gonna ball out.

And those questioning his toughness, will to play, etc... He hasn't been cleared to practice by team doctors. He doesn't control that and it's not like he can manipulate tests to make it appear worse than it is.

If doctors are looking at it and holding him back from playing, how does that have anything at all to do with his toughness??

[usmccharles]

I love these totally hypothetical, baseless future scenerios that are being professed as near fact around here.

 

Its a win win for these people who are all down on BP.  They call him a bust and lets say he never amounts to much, they get to say..." look at my scouting skills, called it!".  Lets say he comes out and becomes an OBJ type, the haters will be like "yay...hes a raven so im glad to be proven wrong, etc" 

 

Its easier to sit there and hate on BP....that takes no effort, loyalty, or logic

Edited November 11, 2015 by usmccharles

[PurpleCity5]

Im hoping your not thinking i was wanting to bring in Roddy White, i was simply stating i think thats who we end up with, i hope not though. We for sure need a WR who can make a difference and i dont think White offers anything a young/cheap Aiken cant do, we are on agreement basically on everything, dont know if you realize that lol

Vjax is my favorite option although his injuries are a bit worrisome. But i like his size and style of play more than any others. Sadly i dont think boyd will be there in the 2nd but we still have a long ways to go for these players to go up or down on draft boards, make dumb decisions off the field, etc...But i do agree we should grab a WR in the 2nd or 3rd, torn though because im hoping we can come away with Ogbha in the second, doubtful though.

Garcon might not end up leaving washington if they release Desean Jackson, they need to throw to someone. And Garcon might be expensive, which we cant afford much in FA

I really wanted us to bring in Crabtree in the offseason, he is playing very good ball right now and now will be more expensive.

Overall, IMO, We need to sign a veteran WR in FA and draft a WR thats not a project, or maybe trade for one that is still on their rookie deal, no one specefic comes to mind though. We have to go forward as if SSR is retiring, which means we have BP, Aiken, Brown (should be cut), Givens, Waller, Camp, Ross. That is going to be another rough year at the position if not addressed for immediate and future production.

I don't think we bring in White anyways. Personally I wouldn't be shocked if he had a hard time finding a team like Reggie Wayne or Wes Welker. It seems he just doesn't have much left in him. Maybe we add him but surely not as a primary target. If thats what you meant then my bad.

I agree with Vincent being the top target, thats who is my top option as well. As far as Boyd goes, I don't think there is any WR in this upcoming draft who are seen as elite talent. I can easily see either Boyd, Doctson, or Thomas fall to the 2nd round allowing us to trade for one of them. I would he shocked honestly if we didn't pick a WR early.

[usmccharles]

I don't think we bring in White anyways. Personally I wouldn't be shocked if he had a hard time finding a team like Reggie Wayne or Wes Welker. It seems he just doesn't have much left in him. Maybe we add him but surely not as a primary target. If thats what you meant then my bad.

I agree with Vincent being the top target, thats who is my top option as well. As far as Boyd goes, I don't think there is any WR in this upcoming draft who are seen as elite talent. I can easily see either Boyd, Doctson, or Thomas fall to the 2nd round allowing us to trade for one of them. I would he shocked honestly if we didn't pick a WR early.

I agree with your assesment on White.  I dont think our FO's minset would for him to be a primary target but just a veteran addition to our young core, i hope im wrong as this is just a hunch and i have "inside info"

 

Im intrigued on how much Vjax will command on the market, thats what worries me when you have teams that have so much cash that could use a WR like him. 

 

I would love to get Boyd but i see him going in the top 15 or so, he seems like a playmaker but i dont see elite talent there.  VH3 or Ramsey in the first and a WR in the second im more than ok with

[PurpleCity5]

I agree with your assesment on White. I dont think our FO's minset would for him to be a primary target but just a veteran addition to our young core, i hope im wrong as this is just a hunch and i have "inside info"

Im intrigued on how much Vjax will command on the market, thats what worries me when you have teams that have so much cash that could use a WR like him.

I would love to get Boyd but i see him going in the top 15 or so, he seems like a playmaker but i dont see elite talent there. VH3 or Ramsey in the first and a WR in the second im more than ok with

White has been givings fits about his lack of targets, I don't know if he's fine with that role but if it happens then I'm fine with it.

I don't think VJax will be expensive. He'll be 33 and I'm sure he wants to contend for a title at this point. I look at what we gave Steve Smith and I think we can get Vincent at a similar price, maybe a little bit more for I doubt we'll have to overpay. He makes sense here.

Edited November 11, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

he had over 300

Really? I heard it was over 10,000!!!

[GrimCoconut]

If Steve Smith Sr returns, I can see Ozzie not sign a veteran free agent. I think it all depends on what happens and who's available.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

If Steve Smith Sr returns, I can see Ozzie not sign a veteran free agent. I think it all depends on what happens and who's available.

I think he will regardless... I just think it changes the caliber free agent he targets.

 

If he doesnt return I could see him actually open up a little bit and pay a decent bit of money to bring someone who's proven himself, younger and ascending like a Travis Benjamin, Rueben Randle, or Mohamed Sanu.

 

If he does return I think we're looking at more of a Miles Austin, Nate Washington,, or Andre Caldwell. More of a know-what-you're-gonna-get and it's not great but you also know they won't be bad. Someone who will be a sure #3 for us and could step up as the #2 if say Perriman doesnt pan out.

 

There are actually some intriguing FA WR's this coming offseason - this is the 1st time ive really looked at it. I'd love us to bring in any of:

• Rueben Randle
• Travis Benjamin
• Mohamed Sanu
• Marvin Jones
• Michael Crabtree (having somewhat of a resurgence lately now that he's playing with a good QB and WR)
• Leonard Hankerson
• Nate Washington

Obviously I'd love Alshon Jeffrey, but that's more of a pipe dream. And I know most would be against it, and it'd probably end up back firing but I'd bring in Josh Gordon. You'd do it almost half expecting not to have him due to suspension or cut him, but man if you can get him on the straight and narrow that's a rare talent.

 

I know I've seen others say that Gordon won't be a UFA because of suspensions not giving him enough accrued seasons, but everything I'm seeing is to the contrary. And I know it's smarter to stay away from guys like him, and literally anything will mean a year-long or more suspension, but we've got enough choir boys on this team. We need just some raw talent and athleticism and to take a chance on a guy with a checkered past.

 

It's really not even that big a gamble - he'll either stay clean and play or he wont.... and with his issues he's not gonna get paid that much, and no ones gonna commit multiple years with guarantees to him.

 

Him, SSS (if he comes back) and Perriman would just be darn near unstoppable. And SSS might just be the kind of guy that Gordon would look up to and stay in line for... and the promise of all that talent plus keeping Gordon on track and achieving his potential might just be the type of challenge SSS would return for.

Edited November 11, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Purple_City39]

Wow, Josh Gordon would only be 25.  In all honesty, I'd be 100% for the team getting Gordon.  And not just signing him to a year, signing him to at least 3 with no more than a 1M signing bonus and a manageable contract.  If he gets suspended his first year, it's a 1M cap hit.  If he plays through that season or any other then he likely dominates and it's likely worth it.

[usmccharles]

I think he will regardless... I just think it changes the caliber free agent he targets.

 

If he doesnt return I could see him actually open up a little bit and pay a decent bit of money to bring someone who's proven himself, younger and ascending like a Travis Benjamin, Rueben Randle, or Mohamed Sanu.

 

If he does return I think we're looking at more of a Miles Austin, Nate Washington,, or Andre Caldwell. More of a know-what-you're-gonna-get and it's not great but you also know they won't be bad. Someone who will be a sure #3 for us and could step up as the #2 if say Perriman doesnt pan out.

 

There are actually some intriguing FA WR's this coming offseason - this is the 1st time ive really looked at it. I'd love us to bring in any of:

• Rueben Randle
• Travis Benjamin
• Mohamed Sanu
• Marvin Jones
• Michael Crabtree (having somewhat of a resurgence lately now that he's playing with a good QB and WR)
• Leonard Hankerson
• Nate Washington

Obviously I'd love Alshon Jeffrey, but that's more of a pipe dream. And I know most would be against it, and it'd probably end up back firing but I'd bring in Josh Gordon. You'd do it almost half expecting not to have him due to suspension or cut him, but man if you can get him on the straight and narrow that's a rare talent.

 

I know I've seen others say that Gordon won't be a UFA because of suspensions not giving him enough accrued seasons, but everything I'm seeing is to the contrary. And I know it's smarter to stay away from guys like him, and literally anything will mean a year-long or more suspension, but we've got enough choir boys on this team. We need just some raw talent and athleticism and to take a chance on a guy with a checkered past.

 

It's really not even that big a gamble - he'll either stay clean and play or he wont.... and with his issues he's not gonna get paid that much, and no ones gonna commit multiple years with guarantees to him.

 

Him, SSS (if he comes back) and Perriman would just be darn near unstoppable. And SSS might just be the kind of guy that Gordon would look up to and stay in line for... and the promise of all that talent plus keeping Gordon on track and achieving his potential might just be the type of challenge SSS would return for.

The Gordon thing is tricky, because we would have to sign him in the essence of not countin on him.  IMO it would be just a matter of time before he gets suspended again.  I just dont see our FO investing in such a liability, but the kid is no doubt gifted and could be a great WR especially with a good QB. 

 

Out of all the WRs you listed, Jones and Crabtree are the only intriguing ones to me.  I wanted to bring Crabtree in this offseason.  Randle has shown flashes but hes just always hurt. 

[52520Andrew]

Really? I heard it was over 10,000!!!

It's over 10,000?!??! There is no way that can be right!

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not replying to that long post and making this thread longer but great point. Ozzie will probably add a veteran regardless but Smith will determine the level of veteran he'll be able to sign.

[GrimCoconut]

It's over 10,000?!??! There is no way that can be right!

Oh, it is! It beat even the last record of 9,000!!!

[Gordo52]

I'd rush to sign Josh Gordon next season. Regardless if Perriman comes back healthy and Steve Smith Sr suits up another year. That's how desperate we are for a star receiver. I'm sure another team will jump on him but If I'm Ozzie I wouldn't hesitate. Give him a 1 or 2 year deal with not much guaranteed. I believe once he gets the hell out of Cleveland the waters will part and he'll be cured from all his disorders. Apples & oranges but aren't we glad we took a chance on Hill?

Relying on Perriman is just as risky IMO

[PurpleCity5]

If Steve Smith Sr returns, I can see Ozzie not sign a veteran free agent. I think it all depends on what happens and who's available.

I would be upset if we decided not to. We need depth at WR and players who can play at WR. The thing is this year we don't have to rely on guys stepping up because none have this year.

[atomicfront]

 

 

Its easier to sit there and hate on BP....that takes no effort, loyalty, or logic

 

Why would any of us show loyalty to Perriman he hasn't even played in a training camp scrimmage much less a real game.  To me right now he is in Sergio Kindle territory.  That might change and he might actually play one day. But until he does talking about loyalty is ridiculous. 

[atomicfront]

I'd rush to sign Josh Gordon next season. Regardless if Perriman comes back healthy and Steve Smith Sr suits up another year. That's how desperate we are for a star receiver. I'm sure another team will jump on him but If I'm Ozzie I wouldn't hesitate. Give him a 1 or 2 year deal with not much guaranteed. I believe once he gets the hell out of Cleveland the waters will part and he'll be cured from all his disorders. Apples & oranges but aren't we glad we took a chance on Hill?

Relying on Perriman is just as risky IMO

 

 

Even if Perriman and Smith Sr. were healthy right now you would want more quality receivers.  Are third and fourth receiver would still not be good enough. 

[usmccharles]

Why would any of us show loyalty to Perriman he hasn't even played in a training camp scrimmage much less a real game. To me right now he is in Sergio Kindle territory. That might change and he might actually play one day. But until he does talking about loyalty is ridiculous.

because he is a raven... But agree to disagree.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I'd sure love to be a fly on the wall in Ozzie & Harbs meetings about this... Sigh. I know this is stupid but I wish Perriman can retire already and give me some closure lol

Joe has to deal with so much bs, it ain't right.

So you could be annoying and not understand what was going on at all? ‘Cause that’s what flies do all day.

[atomicfront]

because he is a raven... But agree to disagree.

He isn't a Raven to me.  He has never played a down for the team.  Where was the loyalty to all the guys who won the Super Bowl and then were shown the door right after the victory parade?  I know nothing about the guy or his injury.  Has he given a single interview about his injury?  And there a million negative posts about coaches, current players, and former players on here.   Why don't you post this in the Pees thread?   He helped the team win the Super Bowl.  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Why would any of us show loyalty to Perriman he hasn't even played in a training camp scrimmage much less a real game.  To me right now he is in Sergio Kindle territory.  That might change and he might actually play one day. But until he does talking about loyalty is ridiculous. 

He's a Raven, and will be most likely for the next 4-5 years. That's why.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

He isn't a Raven to me.  He has never played a down for the team.  Where was the loyalty to all the guys who won the Super Bowl and then were shown the door right after the victory parade?  I know nothing about the guy or his injury.  Has he given a single interview about his injury?  And there a million negative posts about coaches, current players, and former players on here.   Why don't you post this in the Pees thread?   He helped the team win the Super Bowl.  

That's FO loyalty... which you dont do. It's a business.

 

We're fans. And even after those guys left, most fans were still loyal to Ed Reed, Boldin, Jacoby, Torrey, etc... They're all still beloved by fans and respected by the team. But you don't pay guys for memories.

 

Our success going forward is strongly tied to Perriman getting healthy and playing to potential. Hoping he doesnt in effect is hoping we dont fix the WR situation, because regardless of whether or not we pick someone up in the offseason he's going to be counted on to play a role. How big it is depends on how soon he gets healthy and whether or not he can show any promise this season.

[jazz1988]

Why would any of us show loyalty to Perriman he hasn't even played in a training camp scrimmage much less a real game.  To me right now he is in Sergio Kindle territory.  That might change and he might actually play one day. But until he does talking about loyalty is ridiculous. 

Kindle injury is totally different from Perriman. We not talking about a player that damaged his brain and parts of his hearing from falling down the stairs but actually talking about a guy that's recovering slowly from pcl sprain or some sort. 

[jazz1988]

Even if Perriman and Smith Sr. were healthy right now you would want more quality receivers.  Are third and fourth receiver would still not be good enough. 

 

Actually think Kamar Aiken is a solid number 3 receiver and so is Givens. I thought the same for Marlon Brown but it seems like he has having a down year for some reason.

[RaineV1]

If Perriman can return to form like he was in UCF, then he'll be fine as one of the main two receivers. I'd actually be more worried about SSS. I don't think he can be a true top receiver anymore. I wouldn't want to rely on him being the guy to lead the team in catches and yards like he has been doing for the Ravens. No matter how tough someone is, his body will eventually start breaking down. Using him less would preserve his health, and help make sure he'll be around for next years' playoffs.

 

Right now, Givens is the only receiver that has shown some real potential as an outside receiver that can get separation. Him and Perriman could be an interesting combination, but also risky as hell. Bringing in Travis Benjamin, Marvin Jones, or Sanu would greatly mitigate that risk and give the Ravens a receiver corp with some depth and ability to win games. I'd be pretty content to start the next season with Benjamin/Jones/Sanu, Perriman, SSS, Givens, and Aiken as the top five receivers, plus TEs and RBs capable of making big plays on passing downs. That has some real potential.

[RavensFanMania]

284 receiving yards.

oh yeah, that's right.

[Gordo52]

Even if Perriman and Smith Sr. were healthy right now you would want more quality receivers. Are third and fourth receiver would still not be good enough.

Agreed but that 3rd & 4th WR wouldn't be nearly as important if Perriman & Smith were healthy due to the other options we have at RB & TE. FO should always strive to have great WR's and not just for depth. For whatever reasons, we just can't seem to find one in the draft.

So you could be annoying and not understand what was going on at all? ‘Cause that’s what flies do all day.

Lol if that's the case, I didn't realize how many flies post here. Hope I didn't offend any.

[PurpleCity5]

I hope this doesn't discourage us from picking a WR early. I feel that this wouldn't happen with anyone else.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Lol if that's the case, I didn't realize how many flies post here. Hope I didn't offend any.

[Cillmatic]

Wow, Josh Gordon would only be 25. In all honesty, I'd be 100% for the team getting Gordon. And not just signing him to a year, signing him to at least 3 with no more than a 1M signing bonus and a manageable contract. If he gets suspended his first year, it's a 1M cap hit. If he plays through that season or any other then he likely dominates and it's likely worth it.

He's not gonna be a free agent is he?