Flacco's greatness, a sad truth

[Tank 92]

The O-line helps alot... 2013 Flacco was sacked 48 times.. 2014 just 19*... Elite QB. ELITE O-Line

 

 

Yes an elite O line along with an elite running game will go a long way in helping a QB be elite.  All together, along with an elite D, all of these elite factors can send a team to high levels of eliteness.       

[flynismo]

Those saying Flacco is headed towards HOF contention, you'd also have to say with a SB Rivers is a shoe-in then. Which I dont think he is, but his stats have trumped Flacco's year in and year out. Rivers's down years (for instance, 2011) are Flacco's best years statistically. And we all know thats what a lot of HOF voters go off of.

Flacco is judged fairly accurately in my opinion. He is routinely criticized for his pedestrian play in the regular reason while also being mentioned how he is a different QB in the post season. Analyst upon analyst has stated this. He's also always sitting around 8-12 in various QB rankings. And depending on which year we're talking, that's also accurate.

I don't see Flacco's play as being pedestrian in the regular season....but that's from my POV, where I don't really put much weight into stats...our system has never been QB friendly when it comes to stacking up yardage. It's strange to me in a way..during the regular season we seem to emphasize situational play, meaning that we rely on our run game and defense to control the flow of the game, and lean on Flacco during key situations (3rd down, two minute drill etc). Then in the post season we seem to just put it all on Flacco, for better or worse. Fortunately it has gone our way more often than not, but to me it seems like a big reason for the disparity between regular season Joe and January Joe.

The REAL knock on Flacco during the regular season should be that he is very streaky. He is either on fire or ice cold. And that can vary from quarter to quarter, much less game to game. This is where the Flacco apologist in me wants to point to the aforementioned tendency for situational play as a sort of excuse for it....but at the end of the day, an excuse is an excuse lol...

[PerpetuallyBored74]

The O-line helps alot... 2013 Flacco was sacked 48 times.. 2014 just 19*... Elite QB. ELITE O-Line

 

Cutting sacks by more than half was also a function of top running game 2014 vs no running game 2013.

And healthy receiving corp (minus Dennis) in 2014 vs every WR & TE hurt but Torrey & Dickson so every other week guys are being brought out of retirement or resigned after being cut in 2013.

Also finally WCO in 2014 vs whatever that abomination of an Air Coryell that was in 2013.

 

But yeah, definitely from worst to first with the o-line (or close to it)

[RedFire]

Lee Evans dropped that pass....and as a rookie flacco threw that interception against the steelers that should have been avoided....we missed out on a couple trips by simple mistakes.

 

and then last year we got cheated by the pats formation/eligiblbes/substitution wise in addition to deflated balls.

[Moderator 3]

Glad to see we aren't the only ones who recognize Joe's value.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150821_In_Joe_Flacco__Ravens_have_what_Eagles_are_still_looking_for.html

[TXRavensFan]

Glad to see we aren't the only ones who recognize Joe's value.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150821_In_Joe_Flacco__Ravens_have_what_Eagles_are_still_looking_for.html

 

Good read. Thanks for posting that.

[beanfigger]

Philly, one of the more than twenty teams that envy what we have in Joe. They know they can't win consistently without a top QB. It's so hard for my community to admit how badly they miss McNabb, and he didn't even get them a ring.

[uhhhh]

Lee Evans dropped that pass....and as a rookie flacco threw that interception against the steelers that should have been avoided....we missed out on a couple trips by simple mistakes.

 

and then last year we got cheated by the pats formation/eligiblbes/substitution wise in addition to deflated balls.

 

I'll never forget in the 4th quarter when S.Vereen fumbled the ball and the Ravens recovered it only to have it overturned later on, because his knee was down. It was like a 10th of a second. If that ball was properly inflated, in winter time, it would've been dropped sooner. You can hold on to a ball a lot better when it's softer. 

 

They got the ball back and 5 plays later scored the touchdown that put them ahead

Edited August 21, 2015 by uhhhh

[Tenacious Faulker]

Glad to see we aren't the only ones who recognize Joe's value.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150821_In_Joe_Flacco__Ravens_have_what_Eagles_are_still_looking_for.html

All the elite talk on Joe is just background noise.  Any Ravens fan now that needs to have an elite label with an arbitratry definition slapped on him is wasting their time.  Yes it's nice when he's recognized as such, but as long as he keeps us winning he could have 30800yd/15TD seasons for al I care.  

 

Look at Tony Romo.  When they gave the ball to Murray as the primary focus of the team behind a top 3 OL line (of which the Ravens also qualified) Romo looked like a stud performing better than when he was the focus himself.  He hasn't produced a 4000 yard season since 2012, was 3700 yards last season but he had the highest completion percentage in his career and 2nd highest TD total.  It was his best season overal since 2009.

[52520Andrew]

he could have 30800yd/15TD seasons for al I care.

That would be quite an interesting year for a QB

[TXRavensFan]

That would be quite an interesting year for a QB

 

Pffft. That's not even 2,000 yards a game.

[allblackraven]

That would be quite an interesting year for a QB

Pffft. That's not even 2,000 yards a game.

Yardage wise he would have to play entire season at pretty good level for one team in each division. That would finally take him over the threshold for earning "elite" label.

 

Sadly, only until you account for TDs made - less than 2 per team for the season.

[allblackraven]

BTW, I like that article on philly.com - finally someone who gets that it's all about the value with Flacco.

[January J]

I'll never forget in the 4th quarter when S.Vereen fumbled the ball and the Ravens recovered it only to have it overturned later on, because his knee was down. It was like a 10th of a second. If that ball was properly inflated, in winter time, it would've been dropped sooner. You can hold on to a ball a lot better when it's softer.

They got the ball back and 5 plays later scored the touchdown that put them ahead

that play often replays in my head as well. He let's go of that ball a tenth of a second sooner and no doubt we win that game. I also question whether that play could be attributed to the deflated balls and if the ball may have came out sooner- not to mention how many other times they could have fumbled not only in that game but throughout the season. The afc championship certainly wasn't the first time they did that... Anyone who believes that is extremely naïve. Also hate how the referees handled the whole formation trickery. Penalizing harbaugh 15 yards for wanting an explanation and not standing over the ball and giving our defense any time. Several things about that game really piss me off. But it's all good we'll see them again just like we did in 2012. Edited August 22, 2015 by January J

[ludy51]

that play often replays in my head as well. He let's go of that ball a tenth of a second sooner and no doubt we win that game. I also question whether that play could be attributed to the deflated balls and if the ball may have came out sooner- not to mention how many other times they could have fumbled not only in that game but throughout the season. The afc championship certainly wasn't the first time they did that... Anyone who believes that is extremely naïve. Also hate how the referees handled the whole formation trickery. Penalizing harbaugh 15 yards for wanting an explanation and not standing over the ball and giving our defense any time. Several things about that game really piss me off. But it's all good we'll see them again just like we did in 2012.

Also that fumble on the kickoff that had the wierd bounce that prevented us from recovering it

[uhhhh]

that play often replays in my head as well. He let's go of that ball a tenth of a second sooner and no doubt we win that game. I also question whether that play could be attributed to the deflated balls and if the ball may have came out sooner- not to mention how many other times they could have fumbled not only in that game but throughout the season. The afc championship certainly wasn't the first time they did that... Anyone who believes that is extremely naïve. Also hate how the referees handled the whole formation trickery. Penalizing harbaugh 15 yards for wanting an explanation and not standing over the ball and giving our defense any time. Several things about that game really piss me off. But it's all good we'll see them again just like we did in 2012.

 

Definitely! There are people that keep saying that it wouldn't have mattered if the balls were inflated, because of the score, but I'm with you. You cannot tell me the championship game was the only one they used deflated balls. It was the game they got caught.

If it was the div. playoff game, the controversy would be even bigger.

 

Anyway this is a Joe Flacco thread. I still can't believe he threw 24 td's in 10 playoff games! 

Edited August 22, 2015 by uhhhh

[Tenacious Faulker]

That would be quite an interesting year for a QB

Pffft. That's not even 2,000 yards a game.

Yardage wise he would have to play entire season at pretty good level for one team in each division. That would finally take him over the threshold for earning "elite" label.

 

Sadly, only until you account for TDs made - less than 2 per team for the season.

LOL!!  I meant to put in 3000 but, oh well.  Fat fingers make for a few good laughs.  Only Unle Rice could throw for as many yards ini a single season, but sadly we'l never get to see it.