Flacco's greatness, a sad truth

[BmoreBird22]

Over the last 6 years Ben has averaged 4,013 yards per season,25 tds per season and 10 ints per season.There are some outliers messing up those averages(he missed 4 games in 2010 and his 2014 stats are an anomaly)but that's pretty much what we get from Flacco.The only reason his passer rating is higher is because of his completion percentage.His past six seasons haven't been much better than Joe's.And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Ravens fan.If Ben's stats are good enough for the HOF then that means Rivers,Ryan and Romo are all one ring away from the HOF too because they've all out stated him by a mile.I know that the way the teams are built has to do with that but that's not what most people look at.The HOF should be for elite QB's like Rodgers,Peyton,Brady and Bree's.Up until this point Roethlisberger has never been on par with them but he has a STACKED!!! offense around him so who knows what will happen in his last 5 or so years.

You beat me to this, but people seem to forget that Roethlisberger is very similar to, or was, similar to Flacco in the sense that he didn't really do tons in the regular season, but turned it on enough in the postseason to help them win two Super Bowls. 

[JEEPercreepermd]

People get on Joe for not throwing 4000 yds..he's throwin ALMOST 4000 36,37,38,39 and change a few times..always over 20 td's ect..

I think that over the long haul, he's going to surpass the total numbers of some very famous names.

[Bruce_Almty]

how so? He said joe is likely not done winning superbowls ( which he's not) and that joe won't make the hall of fame ( which he probably won't.)

It's laughable to say "it's a given". Is it "a given" that a 1st ballot HOFer will win multiple super bowls? Peyton Manning wishes it was. How about Aaron Rodgers & Big Ben, arguably 2 players that will make the HOF, is it "a given" that they will win more SBs? We HOPE it is Joe instead of them but it could easily be Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson or any number of other QBs.

 

Second, by Joe NOT making the HOF he becomes "the future most underrated QB of all time." The words exaggeration, overstatement, embellishment, rhetoric and overkill come to mind which let me to one silly post full of wishful thinking and hyperbole. That's how so.

[beanfigger]

People get on Joe for not throwing 4000 yds..he's throwin ALMOST 4000 36,37,38,39 and change a few times..always over 20 td's ect..

I think that over the long haul, he's going to surpass the total numbers of some very famous names.

 

To support this post, I'll add some numbers. Flacco already has more career passing yards than 9 Hall of Fame QBs. All of them were either playing before the Superbowl era or won multiple Superbowls (so if Flacco wins another ring...). With a healthy year this season, he'll pass 5 more, including Bradshaw and two QBs with only one ring (Namath, Dawson). In two more healthy seasons, he'll have more than players like Aikman and Young (one ring as a starter) and two other HOFers (three if Warner gets in). He'll then be in the top 30 all time. Not bad for someone with awful stats, and he will only be 32. He'll likely finish his career in the top 20 all time for passing yards. You guys are telling me a Superbowl winning QB ranked that highly won't get into the Hall because of media bias or lack of Pro Bowls? I don't understand that.

 

As for TDs, let's assume he plays 8 more years. He wouldn't even need to average 18 TDs/season to pass players like Montana, Unitas, and Moon. If he averages 19/season, he'd tie Elway. This isn't a given by any means, but it is certainly doable, especially if his next couple years are around 28-30 per. Heck, even if he only gets 25/yr the next two seasons, he'd only need 16 TDs/season over the next six to pass Montana/Unitas/Moon and 17/season to get to Elway. Again, I think his Hall induction is closer than most people think.

[1/28/01]

But why would you kill for seasons like that when they don't result in playoff wins? Why do the stats matter that much that you would kill for that type of season instead of being okay winning playoff games and contending for championships?

Of course playoffs trump all. Ben has certainly won some playoff games as well. I was just simply speaking in a vacuum and saying I would love better regular season play/stats. Thats all. No need to look at it any deeper than on the surface.

[jimmypowder]

To support this post, I'll add some numbers. Flacco already has more career passing yards than 9 Hall of Fame QBs. All of them were either playing before the Superbowl era or won multiple Superbowls (so if Flacco wins another ring...). With a healthy year this season, he'll pass 5 more, including Bradshaw and two QBs with only one ring (Namath, Dawson). In two more healthy seasons, he'll have more than players like Aikman and Young (one ring as a starter) and two other HOFers (three if Warner gets in). He'll then be in the top 30 all time. Not bad for someone with awful stats, and he will only be 32. He'll likely finish his career in the top 20 all time for passing yards. You guys are telling me a Superbowl winning QB ranked that highly won't get into the Hall because of media bias or lack of Pro Bowls? I don't understand that.

 

As for TDs, let's assume he plays 8 more years. He wouldn't even need to average 18 TDs/season to pass players like Montana, Unitas, and Moon. If he averages 19/season, he'd tie Elway. This isn't a given by any means, but it is certainly doable, especially if his next couple years are around 28-30 per. Heck, even if he only gets 25/yr the next two seasons, he'd only need 16 TDs/season over the next six to pass Montana/Unitas/Moon and 17/season to get to Elway. Again, I think his Hall induction is closer than most people think.

Wow,excellent points. I guess he is very underrated!

[jimmypowder]

You beat me to this, but people seem to forget that Roethlisberger is very similar to, or was, similar to Flacco in the sense that he didn't really do tons in the regular season, but turned it on enough in the postseason to help them win two Super Bowls. 

Ben in one on those Super Bowls was awful that they won. 

 

I think based on the insightful stats people are quoting , I think both will be in.

[redrum52]

To support this post, I'll add some numbers. Flacco already has more career passing yards than 9 Hall of Fame QBs. All of them were either playing before the Superbowl era or won multiple Superbowls (so if Flacco wins another ring...). With a healthy year this season, he'll pass 5 more, including Bradshaw and two QBs with only one ring (Namath, Dawson). In two more healthy seasons, he'll have more than players like Aikman and Young (one ring as a starter) and two other HOFers (three if Warner gets in). He'll then be in the top 30 all time. Not bad for someone with awful stats, and he will only be 32. He'll likely finish his career in the top 20 all time for passing yards. You guys are telling me a Superbowl winning QB ranked that highly won't get into the Hall because of media bias or lack of Pro Bowls? I don't understand that.

As for TDs, let's assume he plays 8 more years. He wouldn't even need to average 18 TDs/season to pass players like Montana, Unitas, and Moon. If he averages 19/season, he'd tie Elway. This isn't a given by any means, but it is certainly doable, especially if his next couple years are around 28-30 per. Heck, even if he only gets 25/yr the next two seasons, he'd only need 16 TDs/season over the next six to pass Montana/Unitas/Moon and 17/season to get to Elway. Again, I think his Hall induction is closer than most people think.

Pump the brakes. You can't compare passing numbers from their time to now.

Less games and different rules. Even Namath had a 4000 yard season in his time.

Edited July 29, 2015 by redrum52

[beanfigger]

Pump the brakes. You can't compare passing numbers from their time to now.

Less games and different rules. Even Namath had a 4000 yard season in his time.

Just because I mentioned a name or two from a different era doesn't mean my point isn't valid. Read the whole post. Top 20 is top 20, regardless of era, and it is more than just hopeful that he gets there by retirement. He would need roughly 15,000 more yards to get there (currently that would put him top 15, but I'm leaving room for other active players to get there before him). With his durability, eight years isn't out of the question, and that's less than 2,000yds/season average. I think he gets there in less than five full seasons, and that would put him ahead of Montana. Edited July 29, 2015 by beanfigger

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Flacco has yet to hit his peak and is only now having a team built around him with weapons he can gain trust and rapport with.

I see his statistics taking off this year (not that it matters to me all that much so long as we continue to win games), and he enters the realm of guys who can be counted on to put up 4,200+ yds and 30+ TDs regularly. And if he doesn't it will only be because we're featuring a dominant running game.

It shouldn't be a knock on Flacco that he has the humanity and team first nature to be willing to take the ball out of his hands if it's the best thing for the team.

The area I see Flacco improving most is in completion percentage. I think he hits 65% this season, which will be all the more impressive when combined with his near league leading yards per attempt.

This year we may not be among the leaders for total yardage and production but I think we feature quite possibly the most efficient offense in the league

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As an aside - I think Flaccos history of erratic regular season play is partially by design. Not they it's done on purpose, but in the sense that it's part of the teams plan to not fully unleash the offense during the regular season.

I truly believe they go into a season with the plan of using as little of the offense as possible to win just enough to get into the post season.

Then when the games truly matter they can unleash entirely new plays and formations that weren't used at all or rarely used during the season. That where there's no film or experience for the opposition to game plan for it.

And thus Flacco seems to be an entirely different player in the playoffs. I think it's that by design they only give him free rein of the offense when the games matter most.

Edited July 29, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Inqui]

Since this is a HoF thread, I'll apply my usual test and see whether Joe's in the top five of his draft class.

 

Other notable names include Matt Ryan, Ryan Clady, Jake Long, Aqib Talib, Jordy Nelson, Matt Forte, Martellus Bennett, Jamaal Charles, Calais Campbell, Josh Sitton, Oniel Cousins (lol) and even our own Justin Forsett. Not that I think Forsett has even the remotest of chances to make the HoF, I just thought it was interesting that he was in the same class.

 

Honestly, Charles the only one from that group I'd clearly put in the HoF over Joe and even that's very debatable. Clady and Campbell have a solid case too, and those four would have the clear inside running assuming they all retired in the same year imo.

 

If Joe wins another Lombardi (no reason to think he can't/won't), it would hardly be a scandal if he were a first-ballot guy. Our running game and defences have been a huge part of our success for sure, but you can say the same about Br*dy's first three titles and no-one holds it against him. And the worst scandal Joe's been in was when he went to McDonald's after getting his big paycheck (I know right, tar and feather time).

Edited July 29, 2015 by Inqui

[BmoreBird22]

Ben in one on those Super Bowls was awful that they won. 

 

I think based on the insightful stats people are quoting , I think both will be in.

It was the first one against the Seahawks in year two. Very similar to how Joe started very slowly and really came on strong

[polynesian15]

As much as I like Joe, the odds are against him winning another SB. He, & The Ravens have already missed out on 2, maybe 3, chances to go to a SB, let alone win. Joe's got about 8 more chances (barring injuries) to win another. I don't think it's a "given".

That's a good point, but once January begins it's a " new season". Given the current organizations track record (making playoffs 6 of 7 possible) and Joe's badass play in January, I'd say the Ravens are in a good position. 

As long as Trestman can keep the offense going, that makes for a balanced team with top 10 offense + defense along with a proven QB in his prime. 

I like that better as a formula for success (i.e. Lombardi's galore) compared to the defensive minded Ravens teams in recent years. It's also much more fun to watch imo... don't get me wrong though I also love me some smash mouth football.

[Tenacious Faulker]

I think as fans we want more recognition for m than he does hfor himself.  The HOF is as much about popularity as Pro Bowl selections - and you might recall that he turned down his only Pro Bowl bid.  You need a certain combination of production and mass appeal.  He's not "sexy" in front of the TV camera which doesn't sell and he's an arch riva;l for teo fo the biggest and oldest fanbases - Browns and Steelers.  Joe has a long way to go to overcome the media who's underrated him practically at every turn except maybe for a few months after he earned the MVP and won a SB.  After the 2013 season they were mostly back at it.

 

The media and analysts in the NFL are as biased any, in a any sport, anywhere.  Joe has resigned himself to competing and winning, not self-agrandizement.  It would be nice to see some consistent Joe-love, but honestly I think he thrives off of people under-estimating him.  So for what its worth he'll probably make a few more Pro Bowls, maybe win another SB or two if he's lucky, but its his consistency of winning games that makes him great.  

[Inqui]

I think Joe not getting due credit is less due to biased media/rival fans/personality/whatever and more down to not having big numbers because he's been in a run-first system his whole career. Even last year, when he posted a string of career bests, keeping Forsett productive seemed to be the first priority. Kinda like how our defence started with stopping the run.

That's been gradually changing since the Super Bowl win though. I saw Ron Jaworski ranked him at #10 in the league this week and he's no longer a general byword for bad contracts. Point is that if Joe keeps doing his thing the accolades will come. His postseason record has already turned heads.

[beanfigger]

That's been gradually changing since the Super Bowl win though. I saw Ron Jaworski ranked him at #10 in the league this week and he's no longer a general byword for bad contracts. Point is that if Joe keeps doing his thing the accolades will come. His postseason record has already turned heads.

I don't really think that offers much in terms of a change. Jaws always ranks Flacco high compared others (I think he had him ahead of Brees and at 4 after the Superbowl). Anyway, that 10-12 range seems to be the most comfortable range for most in the media to place Flacco. There are different names ahead of him every year because when they realize some they had in the top ten the year prior actually stink, they still feel too uncomfortable moving Flacco up. Romo and Rivers have a bad stretch of seasons, Flacco is still behind Eli and RGIII. The latter two stink it up, well then Kaepernick and Alex Smith have to move ahead of Flacco. Oh, they turn out to be mediocre, good thing Romo and Rivers are back to form because it's ridiculous to move Flacco up any higher. Now when Peyton starts to decline drastically and Roethlisberger gets hurt again, it'll be guys like Tannehill and Bridgewater who jump over him. Flacco is stuck in his spot in the rankings.

[1/28/01]

I don't really think that offers much in terms of a change. Jaws always ranks Flacco high compared others (I think he had him ahead of Brees and at 4 after the Superbowl). Anyway, that 10-12 range seems to be the most comfortable range for most in the media to place Flacco. There are different names ahead of him every year because when they realize some they had in the top ten the year prior actually stink, they still feel too uncomfortable moving Flacco up. Romo and Rivers have a bad stretch of seasons, Flacco is still behind Eli and RGIII. The latter two stink it up, well then Kaepernick and Alex Smith have to move ahead of Flacco. Oh, they turn out to be mediocre, good thing Romo and Rivers are back to form because it's ridiculous to move Flacco up any higher. Now when Peyton starts to decline drastically and Roethlisberger gets hurt again, it'll be guys like Tannehill and Bridgewater who jump over him. Flacco is stuck in his spot in the rankings.

It's all about the regular season stats for these guys. If Flacco isn't pedestrian during the regular season, he'll jump up.

[beanfigger]

It's all about the regular season stats for these guys. If Flacco isn't pedestrian during the regular season, he'll jump up.

Yeah, I agree. I just think it's kind of humorous when you see all the rest of the non-consensus top five guys moving all around ahead of him and behind him and ahead and behind while he stays the same. Like when they have good seasons, that's who they really are and the bad seasons are the anomallies. For Flacco, it's the other way around. He's pretty steady with a little improvements in stats each year (2013 aside), and he's the one they want more consistency from. They other guys in his range are far more up and down, in my opinion, when you look at overall seasons.

[Tru11]

I don't really think that offers much in terms of a change. Jaws always ranks Flacco high compared others (I think he had him ahead of Brees and at 4 after the Superbowl). Anyway, that 10-12 range seems to be the most comfortable range for most in the media to place Flacco. There are different names ahead of him every year because when they realize some they had in the top ten the year prior actually stink, they still feel too uncomfortable moving Flacco up. Romo and Rivers have a bad stretch of seasons, Flacco is still behind Eli and RGIII. The latter two stink it up, well then Kaepernick and Alex Smith have to move ahead of Flacco. Oh, they turn out to be mediocre, good thing Romo and Rivers are back to form because it's ridiculous to move Flacco up any higher. Now when Peyton starts to decline drastically and Roethlisberger gets hurt again, it'll be guys like Tannehill and Bridgewater who jump over him. Flacco is stuck in his spot in the rankings.

 

what bad stretch of seasons did rivers and romo had?

or even eli ?

 

you care to post the stats of those seasons so we can see how they stack up to what flacco had?

 

i dont see it but im curious to know what you are referring to.

 

you talking about regular season QB stats or regular season W&L ?

[1/28/01]

what bad stretch of seasons did rivers and romo had?

or even eli ?

you care to post the stats of those seasons so we can see how they stack up to what flacco had?

i dont see it but im curious to know what you are referring to.

you talking about regular season QB stats or regular season W&L ?

For Eli, I can only assume 2010 and 2013. Not necessarily a stretch, but 2 different years where he looked pretty horrible.

But, if there is ANYONE that compares pretty closely to our very own Flacco, its Eli. Sure, he throws on average more picks than Flacco, but the rest is pretty similar; always hovering around 4k yards, middle 20's in TDs, right around 60% completion percentage and also has a knack for changing his game play in the post season. Not saying anything we all don't already know, but figured was applicable here again.

[1/28/01]

Those saying Flacco is headed towards HOF contention, you'd also have to say with a SB Rivers is a shoe-in then. Which I dont think he is, but his stats have trumped Flacco's year in and year out. Rivers's down years (for instance, 2011) are Flacco's best years statistically. And we all know thats what a lot of HOF voters go off of.

Flacco is judged fairly accurately in my opinion. He is routinely criticized for his pedestrian play in the regular reason while also being mentioned how he is a different QB in the post season. Analyst upon analyst has stated this. He's also always sitting around 8-12 in various QB rankings. And depending on which year we're talking, that's also accurate.

[1/28/01]

Last one...and Romo puts up pretty gaudy numbers every year (and is generally efficient as heck), but we all know how he is WHEN/IF he gets into the post season. But, that said, he wins a SB, what then? Is he HOF worthy? Surely hope not!

[beanfigger]

what bad stretch of seasons did rivers and romo had?

or even eli ?

 

you care to post the stats of those seasons so we can see how they stack up to what flacco had?

 

i dont see it but im curious to know what you are referring to.

 

you talking about regular season QB stats or regular season W&L ?

 

Well, 1/28 kind of tackled this generally, but I'll try to add a little more depth. I'm not gonna go on forever because all the info is online for those interested. Rivers has had three seasons with a pretty high interception % (over 3, including last year) to Flacco's one. He also had a fewer yards in 2012 (since this is the stat people are most critical of Flacco) than Joe had in any season after his rookie year. That year, he also had a lower QBR than Flacco has ever had in a season, for what that's worth. This followed a season where he had a bunch of yards but also a career high in interceptions and int%.

 

As for Romo, he had a very high int% in five of his first six seasons as a starter before straightening that out. He has also thrown for fewer yards than Flacco in each of the last two seasons. I'll guess most will give him a pass on that, though, because he miss one game each of those years. I don't understand why that is used as a positive when people measure stats, but whatever. It isn't like he was only 50 yards behind Flacco, either. His TD/INT ratios those two seasons are more of a reason to excuse the low passing yardage totals those years, though, but Flacco looks pretty good in that regard most seasons, too.

 

1/28 already stated how similar Eli and Flacco have been throughout their careers (aside from the fact that in 9 of his 11 seasons, Eli's team has combined for ZERO postseason wins). Look at the fact that he has led the league in interceptions. That's a good place to start with him when looking for his up and down nature.

[Tank 92]

http://fansided.com/2015/01/13/nfl-playoffs-10-best-worst-postseason-quarterbacks/11/

[beanfigger]

Last one...and Romo puts up pretty gaudy numbers every year (and is generally efficient as heck), but we all know how he is WHEN/IF he gets into the post season. But, that said, he wins a SB, what then? Is he HOF worthy? Surely hope not!

 

I'll quote this one, but respond to the last two. Rivers actually has a decent postseason win total already to go along with the stats. I don't think he's a guarantee to go to the Hall if he wins one, but he will certainly garner consideration even if he doesn't, especially if the Chargers have another deep run or two before he's done.

 

Romo probably has a better chance than Rivers to get in with one ring. If he finishes his career with all the records for that franchise after all their history and Hall of Famers, and he leads them back to the promised land, I'd almost be certain he gets in at some point. However, given the Cowboys performance in big games during his time as a starter, winning a ring is a big "if".

 

Both of those QBs probably have a better chance than Flacco to get in if they all finish their careers with one ring. I've been saying that with 2 rings, it is more likely than not that Flacco gets in. He's on pace to finish in the top 20 in all the career stats (higher, maybe, in wins), and you're (not you personally, just an expression) telling me that wouldn't be enough to get a two-time champion in? It would surprise me if Roethlisberger and Eli didn't get in before him even if they don't get another (Ben more easily than Eli because for Eli it really has seemed like lighting in a bottle having ZERO postseason wins his entire career outside those two runs, but some voters will look at how "historic" that one win was against the undefeated Pats and forget all that) And three rings is a guarantee for almost any QB, I'd imagine. In fact, if we get another couple rings during Flacco's time it'll probably help a lot of Ravens who are a part of those victories because players from multiple championship squads are highly rated in the eyes of the Hall.

[beanfigger]

http://fansided.com/2015/01/13/nfl-playoffs-10-best-worst-postseason-quarterbacks/11/

 

Right after I mention Rivers postseason career doesn't look so bad, I see you posted this. Haha. I still think he had some pretty good runs early in his career beating higher seeds and making it deep. Recently, it has been pretty bad.

[Tank 92]

Right after I mention Rivers postseason career doesn't look so bad, I see you posted this. Haha. I still think he had some pretty good runs early in his career beating higher seeds and making it deep. Recently, it has been pretty bad.

Rivers has been a gamer, but his throwing motion looks so odd, I've never really liked him much.

Edited July 31, 2015 by Tank 92

[Tru11]

Well, 1/28 kind of tackled this generally, but I'll try to add a little more depth. I'm not gonna go on forever because all the info is online for those interested. Rivers has had three seasons with a pretty high interception % (over 3, including last year) to Flacco's one. He also had a fewer yards in 2012 (since this is the stat people are most critical of Flacco) than Joe had in any season after his rookie year. That year, he also had a lower QBR than Flacco has ever had in a season, for what that's worth. This followed a season where he had a bunch of yards but also a career high in interceptions and int%.

 

As for Romo, he had a very high int% in five of his first six seasons as a starter before straightening that out. He has also thrown for fewer yards than Flacco in each of the last two seasons. I'll guess most will give him a pass on that, though, because he miss one game each of those years. I don't understand why that is used as a positive when people measure stats, but whatever. It isn't like he was only 50 yards behind Flacco, either. His TD/INT ratios those two seasons are more of a reason to excuse the low passing yardage totals those years, though, but Flacco looks pretty good in that regard most seasons, too.

 

1/28 already stated how similar Eli and Flacco have been throughout their careers (aside from the fact that in 9 of his 11 seasons, Eli's team has combined for ZERO postseason wins). Look at the fact that he has led the league in interceptions. That's a good place to start with him when looking for his up and down nature.

 

you seem to cherry pick 1 certain stat per season to make a case lol.

 

i still dont see these stretches where they where worse then flacco.

take rivers.

his 3 seasons with a high int % where 2007 , 2011 and 2014.

thats not a stretch.

 

2011 rivers had 4624 yards 27 TD 20 INT 62.9 completion % 88.7 QB rating and 63.38 QBR.

this would 1 of flacco best seasons to date....

flacco has never thrown so many yards , only 1 he threw so many TDs, has 1 season with more picks , only 1 season with a better comp %, only 3 seasons with a better QB rating and only 1 season with a better QBR.

 

2012 3606 yards 26 TDs, 15 INT, 64.1comp % 88.6 qb rating and 41.53 QBR all while taking 49 sacks.

this is a pretty darn good season when you consider the amount of sacks he took.

flacco 2013 season was way worse and he took 1 less sack.

26 TD would be flacco 2nd best total of his career, 64.1 comp% would be a career best, 88.6 QB rating would be 4th best of flacco career.

 

you can consider these 2 seasons a bad stretch for rivers but for flacco it would be among his better seasons lol.

 

for romo i seriously dont know what 5 seasons you are talking about.

2006 he became the starter after 6 games and had a decend season.

2007 he had a huge season throwing for 4211 yards 64.4 comp % 36 TD 19 INT 97.4 QB rating and 71.21 QBR.

you can argue about his his 3.7 int but this would be by far flacco best season ever if he had these stats lol.

2008 3448 yards 61.3 % 26 TD 14 INT 91.4 QB rating and 48.99 QBR in 13 games.

flacco had statistically worse seasons then this...

2009 4483 yards 63.1 % 26 TD and 9 INT 97.6 QB rating 62.07 QB rating.

easily be flacco best season ever.

2010 played only 6 games.

 

he actually had 4 seasons with a high int % with 2010 a season he only played 6 games, 2006 being his 1st season as a starter , 2007 would be 1 of flacco best season ever and 2008 would be a middle of pact at least season for flacco.

 

2013 and 2014 he may threw for lesser yards but he threw for way more TDs, far lesser INT ,higher comp %, much higher QB rating , much higher QBR.

Overall still statistical better seasons then flacco ever had.

2011 and 2012 where not bad either so im still wonder when was the stretch he was supposed to be doing worse then flacco?

 

Eli is about the only 1 you can make a case but you would have to go back to 2006 and 2007 to consider it a stretch.

 

he seems to be the type that has 2 good seasons then 1 terrible 1 and then 2 good seasons and then 1 terrible 1.

2004,2007, 2010 and 2013 are his bad seasons statistically

2008,2009,2011,2012 and 2014 all where season that would statistically be among flacco better seasons.

 

also its hard to win games when you aint in the play offs though so not sure why you brought that up.

but since you went there im pretty dammm sure Eli is a 2 time SB MVP.

 

its also nice to make the play offs and win games but the ultimate goal is still to win the SB and Eli has certainly made the most out of his shots.

 

4 play off appearances with 2 SB victories is better then 6 play off appearances and 1 SB......

 

tbh its hard to argue someone had a bad stretch when you focus on just 1 stat per season, even more so when the other stats are similar or better then anything flacco has done so far.

 

you are right about keap , smith and RG3 and such but rivers,romo and to a certain degree Eli have put up similar if not better stats then flacco so its really not a surprise people rank them higher.

[beanfigger]

you seem to cherry pick 1 certain stat per season to make a case lol.

 

i still dont see these stretches where they where worse then flacco.

take rivers.

his 3 seasons with a high int % where 2007 , 2011 and 2014.

thats not a stretch.

 

2011 rivers had 4624 yards 27 TD 20 INT 62.9 completion % 88.7 QB rating and 63.38 QBR.

this would 1 of flacco best seasons to date....

flacco has never thrown so many yards , only 1 he threw so many TDs, has 1 season with more picks , only 1 season with a better comp %, only 3 seasons with a better QB rating and only 1 season with a better QBR.

 

2012 3606 yards 26 TDs, 15 INT, 64.1comp % 88.6 qb rating and 41.53 QBR all while taking 49 sacks.

this is a pretty darn good season when you consider the amount of sacks he took.

flacco 2013 season was way worse and he took 1 less sack.

26 TD would be flacco 2nd best total of his career, 64.1 comp% would be a career best, 88.6 QB rating would be 4th best of flacco career.

 

you can consider these 2 seasons a bad stretch for rivers but for flacco it would be among his better seasons lol.

 

for romo i seriously dont know what 5 seasons you are talking about.

2006 he became the starter after 6 games and had a decend season.

2007 he had a huge season throwing for 4211 yards 64.4 comp % 36 TD 19 INT 97.4 QB rating and 71.21 QBR.

you can argue about his his 3.7 int but this would be by far flacco best season ever if he had these stats lol.

2008 3448 yards 61.3 % 26 TD 14 INT 91.4 QB rating and 48.99 QBR in 13 games.

flacco had statistically worse seasons then this...

2009 4483 yards 63.1 % 26 TD and 9 INT 97.6 QB rating 62.07 QB rating.

easily be flacco best season ever.

2010 played only 6 games.

 

he actually had 4 seasons with a high int % with 2010 a season he only played 6 games, 2006 being his 1st season as a starter , 2007 would be 1 of flacco best season ever and 2008 would be a middle of pact at least season for flacco.

 

2013 and 2014 he may threw for lesser yards but he threw for way more TDs, far lesser INT ,higher comp %, much higher QB rating , much higher QBR.

Overall still statistical better seasons then flacco ever had.

2011 and 2012 where not bad either so im still wonder when was the stretch he was supposed to be doing worse then flacco?

 

Eli is about the only 1 you can make a case but you would have to go back to 2006 and 2007 to consider it a stretch.

 

he seems to be the type that has 2 good seasons then 1 terrible 1 and then 2 good seasons and then 1 terrible 1.

2004,2007, 2010 and 2013 are his bad seasons statistically

2008,2009,2011,2012 and 2014 all where season that would statistically be among flacco better seasons.

 

also its hard to win games when you aint in the play offs though so not sure why you brought that up.

but since you went there im pretty dammm sure Eli is a 2 time SB MVP.

 

its also nice to make the play offs and win games but the ultimate goal is still to win the SB and Eli has certainly made the most out of his shots.

 

4 play off appearances with 2 SB victories is better then 6 play off appearances and 1 SB......

 

tbh its hard to argue someone had a bad stretch when you focus on just 1 stat per season, even more so when the other stats are similar or better then anything flacco has done so far.

 

you are right about keap , smith and RG3 and such but rivers,romo and to a certain degree Eli have put up similar if not better stats then flacco so its really not a surprise people rank them higher.

 

Please tell me where I stated anywhere that these guys were worse than Flacco. I'm not even going to read your whole post because that seems to be the gist of what you're saying. What I said was the people in the media ranking these guys flip-flop them above and below Flacco so Flacco always stays in the same place. It is like people are set in stone that no matter what Flacco belongs right in one exact spot in the rankings, destined never to move up or down. So when QBs like this have rough seasons, they drop below him but are replaced by whoever is this year's hype-monster. Then, when the hype disappears from the flashes in the pan, they put those veterans back above him. There is no point attempting to prove to me that these guys have put up nice seasons. I know they have. I never stated differently.

[cobrajet]

If Joe had the weapons some that some of the other teams had and was not hampered by having Cam Cameron his first few years his stats would most definitely be better. Can you honestly say Joe has ever had a true #1 receiver in his prime? Ben certainly has. Joe makes due fairly well with what we have given him. With our offensive line in 2013, I seriously doubt Ben or Eli could have done any better than Joe. Stats only tell one side of the story. Stats would be the truth teller if every quarterback had the same level of weapons, protection, played in the same system, etc. Heck Joe made the playoffs every year but one, so theoretically the following year he faces the tougher teams/schedule than non-playoff quarterbacks. It drives me crazy when they try to compare the stats of Matt Ryan to Joe when he has had true #1 wide receivers, plays in a weak division, and plays in a dome every other week. If Matty Ice played outside against the smash-mouth defenses of the AFC North with the same weapons Joe had, and with Cam Cameron as his OC - would he be as good during the regular season? I bet not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People get way too hung up on stats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It also drives me crazy when they say, Joe did not make the Pro-Bowl when the quarterbacks that do always have at least one of the receivers from their team with them. You show me when a Ravens receiver even sniffed a Pro-bowl since Joe has been on this team? Joe has done so much more with so much less it isn't funny. The post-season is the only season that counts and Joe is a winner baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is why Ozzie paid the man and I am damn glad he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can have the best QBR of the regular season, but if you are one and done in the playoffs does does it really mean anything???????????

Edited July 31, 2015 by cobrajet