Flacco's greatness, a sad truth

[Cillmatic]

I think it's a given that Joes not done winning Super Bowls, and we all know that when you get Joe in the playoff's he carries the team. Due to these two factors I've realized that(if we make it) Joe will likely be a MULTI-super bowl MVP. All sounds good until you realize that despite the success Joe likely won't be a hall of famer due to his regular season play. ): therefore potentially making Joe the future most underrated QB of all time.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If he wins three, and wins the MVP for three he'll be in. Reality is simple. He wins games and turns it on in the post season. Flacco was already one of the most succesful young QBs ever when he won his first one. He's won more games than most.

Look at Aikman. Sure, he's got more Pro-Bowls than Flacco ever will. But Aikman is esentially a similar kind of QB. Aikman himself wasn't that great in the regular season. But he won three super bowls and won an MVP on LOADED cowboys teams.

Who gives a damn if he doesn't make the hall of fame? He's a Superbowl winning QB who's had one of the greatest postseasons in NFL history when the rest of his team consisted of an overrated and not very good/injured defense backing him up. No one will ever take that away from him, because they simply cannot.

He will be remembered as a very good QB and easily the best in Raven's history.

[FlackAttack]

whoa, slow down. eli manning and ben roethlisberger have 2 super bowls, and neither of them are hall of fame worthy. roethlisberger, maybe.

[Bruce_Almty]

I think it's a given that Joes not done winning Super Bowls, and we all know that when you get Joe in the playoff's he carries the team. Due to these two factors I've realized that(if we make it) Joe will likely be a MULTI-super bowl MVP. All sounds good until you realize that despite the success Joe likely won't be a hall of famer due to his regular season play. ): therefore potentially making Joe the future most underrated QB of all time.

 

Sorry bud but this is one silly post. So full of wishful thinking, & dreaming. smh

[Cillmatic]

whoa, slow down. eli manning and ben roethlisberger have 2 super bowls, and neither of them are hall of fame worthy. roethlisberger, maybe.

As much as I don't like him, Big Ben is definitely a HOFer.

[ellicottraven]

I think it's a given that Joes not done winning Super Bowls, and we all know that when you get Joe in the playoff's he carries the team. Due to these two factors I've realized that(if we make it) Joe will likely be a MULTI-super bowl MVP. All sounds good until you realize that despite the success Joe likely won't be a hall of famer due to his regular season play. ): therefore potentially making Joe the future most underrated QB of all time.

I have to disagree with you. Joe will surely win multiple SBs, but will also begin to earn the respect of the league by putting up decent stats both in regular and post season play. He is only in his 8th year coming up and has at least another 8 to go before he needs to call it quits. I say that based on his durability and quality of play. Joe Flacco will go down as one of the great QBs of recent times. Times and reputation will catch up with is potential greatness.

[JacktheRaven]

As much as I like Joe, the odds are against him winning another SB. He, & The Ravens have already missed out on 2, maybe 3, chances to go to a SB, let alone win. Joe's got about 8 more chances (barring injuries) to win another. I don't think it's a "given".

Edited July 29, 2015 by JacktheRaven

[PuRock]

As much as I like Joe, the odds are against him winning another SB. He, & The Ravens have already missed out on 2, maybe 3, chances to go to a SB, let alone win. Joe's got about 8 more chances (barring injuries) to win another. I don't think it's a "given".

 

Odds of winning a SB are never great to begin with, but I think Joe is a great position.  He's on a competitive team that keeps on winning in the trenches.  Maybe with Trestman we can get some offensive stability at the coordinator position.  At this EXACT point in time, I see Joe's chances of winning another SB is just as good as Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Big Ben.  

 

The organization is the key, putting Joe in a situation to succeed and potentially win more SBs.     

Edited July 29, 2015 by PuRock

[redrum52]

Think he wins another, but won't make HOF. Had he played like post season Joe more consistently, I don't think it would even be a qustion.

I think we're a healthy secondary away from having another ring last year. If Pitta can come back healthy, people will realize how big he is in the passing game. Route running and hands were impeccable.

Edited July 29, 2015 by redrum52

[JacktheRaven]

Odds of winning a SB are never great to begin with, but I think Joe is a great position.  He's on a competitive team that keeps on winning in the trenches.  Maybe with Trestman we can get some offensive stability at the coordinator position.  At this EXACT point in time, I see Joe's chances of winning another SB is just as good as Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Big Ben.  

 

The organization is the key, putting Joe in a situation to succeed and potentially win more SBs.     

I certainly see Joe's chances are as good as anybody, better than most. My point is, it's not a "given".

[The Mom Gene]

I think it's a given that Joes not done winning Super Bowls, and we all know that when you get Joe in the playoff's he carries the team. Due to these two factors I've realized that(if we make it) Joe will likely be a MULTI-super bowl MVP. All sounds good until you realize that despite the success Joe likely won't be a hall of famer due to his regular season play. ): therefore potentially making Joe the future most underrated QB of all time.

Like Dan Marino???  Oh wait!  He won NONE.

 

Joe will be one of the winningest QB's in the league by the time he is done.   He has had a winning season every year, bar given 2013...  but even then, they were one quarter away from getting in the postseason.  Watching him play may be an indication of "inconsistency"...  but his W/L record, and his postseason play.  He has only progressed and improved every year since entering the league...  that's all I'm saying.  He's gonna get at least another one.  Just my prediction.

[hawkprey]

All I know is that every year, one team out of the cast of underdogs makes a playoff run that no one saw coming, and every year that team is us.

[January J]

Sorry bud but this is one silly post. So full of wishful thinking, & dreaming. smh

how so? He said joe is likely not done winning superbowls ( which he's not) and that joe won't make the hall of fame ( which he probably won't.)

[beanfigger]

If he wins three, he'll get in the Hall. I can't believe they would keep out a three-time winning QB. If he wins another, there is a decent chance he gets in. Beocoming the all-time winningest postseason QB in history, along with ranking near the top in many of the postseason QB stats could get him some serious consideration even if he doesn't get another. I think his chances are better than they seem given the Ravens appear primed to maintain their level of success and contention for the playoffs every year. Regular season stats will take a back seat to postseason glory almost every time when it comes to Canton. If Matt Ryan were to end his career with 2 or 3 playoff wins and no rings, but he ranked top five in a bunch of career stats by retirement, and Flacco ended his career with a couple rings and near the top in most of the career postseason stats (including wins), but ended with average career regular season stats, I'd bet Flacco would get in first.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

As much as I don't like him, Big Ben is definitely a HOFer.

 

 

 

He would needs a few more seasons like the one he had last season and he would need to throw more touchdowns.His stats haven't been that much better than Flacco's for most of his career.The only big difference between the 2 of them is his completion percentage.

Edited July 29, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[The Mom Gene]

how so? He said joe is likely not done winning superbowls ( which he's not) and that joe won't make the hall of fame ( which he probably won't.)

Joe wins another one... and if he keeps winning games and improving his stats???  I think he will get in. 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I don't see Joe making the HOF.He would need 1 or 2 more SB's and an All Pro season under his belt before anyone would entertain that.He would also need to throw 4,000+ yards and 30+ TD's from here on out and I don't see that happening because I don't see Ozzie devoting those type of resources to the offense in the next 7-10 years.

[January J]

Joe wins another one... and if he keeps winning games and improving his stats??? I think he will get in.

oh I think it's possible, he just has to win Atleast another superbowl and until that happens I'm not so sure. I also think this is the year he starts vastly improving his regular season play. I was mainly trying to take up for my mans post bc I didn't see anything wrong with it. Flaccos just never been given recognition before, so until he changes that and shuts up the critics with a strong regular season at this point the odds are against him making the HOF.

[TDubbs]

Flacco should thrive in Trestman's offense and I'am really excited to see that. If Trestman gets this offense firing on all cylinders, Flaccos best statistical seasons will be ahead of him. Especially if we can keep the same OC for more than a year ... 

[The Mom Gene]

oh I think it's possible, he just has to win Atleast another superbowl and until that happens I'm not so sure. I also think this is the year he starts vastly improving his regular season play. I was mainly trying to take up for my mans post bc I didn't see anything wrong with it. Flaccos just never been given recognition before, so until he changes that and shuts up the critics with a strong regular season at this point the odds are against him making the HOF.

 

Flacco should thrive in Trestman's offense and I'am really excited to see that. If Trestman gets this offense firing on all cylinders, Flaccos best statistical seasons will be ahead of him. Especially if we can keep the same OC for more than a year ... 

And the guy loves Trestman.  They apparently have a really good relationship.  I am excited about this year as well.  Some good weapons, built on last year's success, and even more tools to improve. 

[berad]

The sad part is that the same sports writers who bash him with 2008-esque quips about 'needing a dominant defense and run game' and is only a 'game manager' have or may potentially have HOF votes... makes me sad.

 

Then again, Jerome Bettis got into the HOF so anything is possible.

[Ravenseconbeast]

As much as I don't like him, Big Ben is definitely a HOFer.

If Ben does get in. He would have to wait a lot before he gets inducted. He has never been a #1,#2 qb ever in public eyes ahead of Aaron,Brees,brady,Peyton.

[Ravenseconbeast]

The sad part is that the same sports writers who bash him with 2008-esque quips about 'needing a dominant defense and run game' and is only a 'game manager' have or may potentially have HOF votes... makes me sad.

Then again, Jerome Bettis got into the HOF so anything is possible.

Bettis getting into HOF is kind of sad. Jamal is way much better than Bettis.

[TDubbs]

And the guy loves Trestman.  They apparently have a really good relationship.  I am excited about this year as well.  Some good weapons, built on last year's success, and even more tools to improve. 

 

Trestman seems like a very even keeled thoughtful kind of guy, and that personality definitely meshes w/ Flacco. As they continue to bond and get on the same page offensively, we could see a real nice QB/OC duo here. We saw his offense work very well in Chicago ... until Cutler decided he was done with it. 

[1/28/01]

He would needs a few more seasons like the one he had last season and he would need to throw more touchdowns.His stats haven't been that much better than Flacco's for most of his career.The only big difference between the 2 of them is his completion percentage.

I would kill for a regular season like the 5 or 6 good ones that Ben has strung together. Flacco has durability over Ben, but just about every other category belongs to Ben.

Disclaimer - Not "hating" on Joe, just giving my opinion based on facts and not which team each players plays for.

[beanfigger]

I would kill for a regular season like the 5 or 6 good ones that Ben has strung together. Flacco has durability over Ben, but just about every other category belongs to Ben.

Disclaimer - Not "hating" on Joe, just giving my opinion based on facts and not which team each players plays for.

But why would you kill for seasons like that when they don't result in playoff wins? Why do the stats matter that much that you would kill for that type of season instead of being okay winning playoff games and contending for championships?

[usmccharles]

where i used to work, i had a friend that was a falcons fan, you can see where this is going.   He would always argue about the regular season stats and how Ryan kills it in the regular season... Then all i have to say is....how is his post season stats?  If we can get a regular season like last year from Joe every year and get into the playoffs, ill be happy.  But i honestly see him improving on those stats under trestman.  Now this year might be a bit of a struggle with the overhaul of the WR corps, but if we can keep trestman i see nothing but good things coming from Joe.  

[redrum52]

My prediction is we win another ring in the next 3 years. One of the main reason is continuity. We finally have a staff we know should be around, which will only benefit the young guys on both sides. I know iT seems like nothing big, but we're at a point where we don't need to worry about main cogs in our coaching staff being poached off by other teams. Where I had a feeling Kubiak would be home after a good season, I'm pretty sure Trestman, and hopefully his daughters, are here to stay. Hoping his daughters make an extended stay...

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I would kill for a regular season like the 5 or 6 good ones that Ben has strung together. Flacco has durability over Ben, but just about every other category belongs to Ben.

Disclaimer - Not "hating" on Joe, just giving my opinion based on facts and not which team each players plays for.

 

 

Over the last 6 years Ben has averaged 4,013 yards per season,25 tds per season and 10 ints per season.There are some outliers messing up those averages(he missed 4 games in 2010 and his 2014 stats are an anomaly)but that's pretty much what we get from Flacco.The only reason his passer rating is higher is because of his completion percentage.His past six seasons haven't been much better than Joe's.And I'm not just saying that because I'm a Ravens fan.If Ben's stats are good enough for the HOF then that means Rivers,Ryan and Romo are all one ring away from the HOF too because they've all out stated him by a mile.I know that the way the teams are built has to do with that but that's not what most people look at.The HOF should be for elite QB's like Rodgers,Peyton,Brady and Bree's.Up until this point Roethlisberger has never been on par with them but he has a STACKED!!! offense around him so who knows what will happen in his last 5 or so years.

Edited July 29, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I would kill for a regular season like the 5 or 6 good ones that Ben has strung together. Flacco has durability over Ben, but just about every other category belongs to Ben.

Disclaimer - Not "hating" on Joe, just giving my opinion based on facts and not which team each players plays for.

 

 

After looking it over again,the year Flacco had last season was better than 3 or 4 of Roethlisbergers past 6 seasons IMO.

Edited July 29, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS