2015 Training Camp Updates

[K-Dog]

I think we win.

I hope you are right.

[allblackraven]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it. 

 

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA. 

 

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

I'd speculate that Manning isn't quite ideal QB for Kubiak's schemes either. Perhaps he can adjust but he hasn't done that so far this preseason. Between his mobility and their OL, I'm thinking our pass rush might have a free meal week 1.

[Ravensfan23]

I'd speculate that Manning isn't quite ideal QB for Kubiak's schemes either. Perhaps he can adjust but he hasn't done that so far this preseason. Between his mobility and their OL, I'm thinking our pass rush might have a free meal week 1.

I think that might be really good advantage for the defense. It appears that Peyton is struggling under center but is doing well from shotgun. Kubes doesn't really like the shotgun uptempo style that Peyton wants to play. If the Ravens can shut down the run and force the issue in the passing, that offense might just be out of sync. Then the question becomes can the offense put up early points to really put pressure on that oline to protect Manning from heavy blitz and rush

[Maryland]

I think that might be really good advantage for the defense. It appears that Peyton is struggling under center but is doing well from shotgun. Kubes doesn't really like the shotgun uptempo style that Peyton wants to play. If the Ravens can shut down the run and force the issue in the passing, that offense might just be out of sync. Then the question becomes can the offense put up early points to really put pressure on that oline to protect Manning from heavy blitz and rush

There were some weeks last year when Kub had us pass pass passing all game. I'm not sure they aren't already planning to do that, given our strengths/weaknesses on defense. 

 

That said, I really don't think the Broncos are going to be a very intimidating team this year. Their O-line is hurting bad, especially at LT. And Peyton seems to be declining, if the final weeks of last season and this preseason are any indication. I'm surprised so many are already writing week one down as a loss. I would give us the customary +3 visitor spread, as I think these two teams are pretty equal. 

[sflegend89]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it. 

 

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA. 

 

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

 

Because the teams that always give us the most trouble are the teams who can spread us out and run the up tempo, sugar huddle, short passing game. Watch the Broncos game from 2013 when Peyton hung 7 TD's on us even with a healthy Jimmy Smith and Corey Graham in the fold. Watch the 2014 playoff game against the Patriots (No Jimmy but still), and watch the starters this year in the preseason against the Eagles starters. All those teams run the style of offense that I described and it gives us fits.

 

We play a lot of off coverage and we historically struggle mightily against that style of play and the Broncos have the personnel to run it effectively. Peyton does his homework, we will definitely see a lot of no huddle, you can't tell me you feel good about facing that type of offense in week 1 when the defense hasn't really settled into their regular season tempo and communication. It really takes the life out of your pass rush when you are getting no huddled and quick passed on by someone as methodical as Manning or Brady. Emmanuel Sanders is also slowly becoming a monster, he's just been getting better and better since he got to Denver. Even with Jimmy on DT we face a nearly equally as dangerous WR in Sanders and don't really have an answer for him on the outside. I think our defense will be top 10 this year but this is just a tall task right out of the gate.

 

Then on offense we have to deal with Chris Harris Jr on SSS, probably no Perriman to keep the safeties honest and attract attention. Guys like Aiken and Marlon over matched with Talib, plus Kubiak knows what looks and schemes give our offense the most trouble, I really don't think it's that different at all this year, just a different playcaller. I think the bright spots are Campanaro in the slot, Gilmore against their LB's, and hopefully the OL creating some holes in the running game. I think the offense will have some success but facing Peyton running no huddle on the road in a regular season opener is trouble. Considering Brady will likely be out week 1 I think the Broncos might actually be the toughest game in the entire NFL for us to play as a regular season opener.

Edited September 3, 2015 by sflegend89

[FlackAttack]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it. 

 

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA. 

 

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

 

What you completely missed during the part mentioning Jimmy Smith can minimize an elite WR, is that they have MANY elite WR'S on that offense, its staked with play makers. CJ Anderson is a beast too, and dont forget our boy Owen Daniels. Their D is no joke either, they have some boss men up front. I think the only favorable match up we have against them is our passing game against their secondary, barring our O line play of course.

 

Its going to be a tough game without a doubt and they are still heavyweights, regardless of Peytons age. I wouldn't go as far as saying the match ups favor us, with those WR's against our secondary. Sizzle and Doom will make or break this game for sure.

[Gordo52]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it.

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA.

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

Don't forget we also want revenge.

[FerrariFan87]

Hey, all, let's get back on-topic! This is a Training Camp thread, not a Game Thread. Thanks

[Ravensfan23]

Because the teams that always give us the most trouble are the teams who can spread us out and run the up tempo, sugar huddle, short passing game. Watch the Broncos game from 2013 when Peyton hung 7 TD's on us even with a healthy Jimmy Smith and Corey Graham in the fold. Watch the 2014 playoff game against the Patriots (No Jimmy but still), and watch the starters this year in the preseason against the Eagles starters. All those teams run the style of offense that I described and it gives us fits.

We play a lot of off coverage and we historically struggle mightily against that style of play and the Broncos have the personnel to run it effectively. Peyton does his homework, we will definitely see a lot of no huddle, you can't tell me you feel good about facing that type of offense in week 1 when the defense hasn't really settled into their regular season tempo and communication. It really takes the life out of your pass rush when you are getting no huddled and quick passed on by someone as methodical as Manning or Brady. Emmanuel Sanders is also slowly becoming a monster, he's just been getting better and better since he got to Denver. Even with Jimmy on DT we face a nearly equally as dangerous WR in Sanders and don't really have an answer for him on the outside. I think our defense will be top 10 this year but this is just a tall task right out of the gate.

Then on offense we have to deal with Chris Harris Jr on SSS, probably no Perriman to keep the safeties honest and attract attention. Guys like Aiken and Marlon over matched with Talib, plus Kubiak knows what looks and schemes give our offense the most trouble, I really don't think it's that different at all this year, just a different playcaller. I think the bright spots are Campanaro in the slot, Gilmore against their LB's, and hopefully the OL creating some holes in the running game. I think the offense will have some success but facing Peyton running no huddle on the road in a regular season opener is trouble. Considering Brady will likely be out week 1 I think the Broncos might actually be the toughest game in the entire NFL for us to play as a regular season opener.

The 2013 Broncos game has nothing to do with this game. I've seen a few people mention that game. That 2013 team was a team in transition and if you reqlly go back and look at that game it was the lack of offense that hurt the Ravens. In the first half of that game the Ravens practically dominated the Broncos. Peyton was only able to muster 1 decent drive and it resulted in a TD. Otherwise the defense shut that offense don't. It was a Flacco int to Stokley that set them up in great field position that allowed them to score another time. Then Dallas Clark dropped a TD that should have had the game at 17-14 at half. The Broncos came out and scored on the opening possession of the 2nd half and then they blocked a punt that gave Peyton the ball on the 10. The offense ran a total of 16 plays in the 3rd quarter for 30 yards. Im not one of those guys that use the the excuse of the defense being tried as a cause of poor play, but in that game and that environment, i believe it.

Im not saying the no/sugar huddle won't be a concern but that game nor the others have anything to do with this game because there were other factors that led to those performance, not just the no huddle.

[gabefergy]

Because the teams that always give us the most trouble are the teams who can spread us out and run the up tempo, sugar huddle, short passing game. Watch the Broncos game from 2013 when Peyton hung 7 TD's on us even with a healthy Jimmy Smith and Corey Graham in the fold. Watch the 2014 playoff game against the Patriots (No Jimmy but still), and watch the starters this year in the preseason against the Eagles starters. All those teams run the style of offense that I described and it gives us fits.

 

We play a lot of off coverage and we historically struggle mightily against that style of play and the Broncos have the personnel to run it effectively. Peyton does his homework, we will definitely see a lot of no huddle, you can't tell me you feel good about facing that type of offense in week 1 when the defense hasn't really settled into their regular season tempo and communication. It really takes the life out of your pass rush when you are getting no huddled and quick passed on by someone as methodical as Manning or Brady. Emmanuel Sanders is also slowly becoming a monster, he's just been getting better and better since he got to Denver. Even with Jimmy on DT we face a nearly equally as dangerous WR in Sanders and don't really have an answer for him on the outside. I think our defense will be top 10 this year but this is just a tall task right out of the gate.

 

Then on offense we have to deal with Chris Harris Jr on SSS, probably no Perriman to keep the safeties honest and attract attention. Guys like Aiken and Marlon over matched with Talib, plus Kubiak knows what looks and schemes give our offense the most trouble, I really don't think it's that different at all this year, just a different playcaller. I think the bright spots are Campanaro in the slot, Gilmore against their LB's, and hopefully the OL creating some holes in the running game. I think the offense will have some success but facing Peyton running no huddle on the road in a regular season opener is trouble. Considering Brady will likely be out week 1 I think the Broncos might actually be the toughest game in the entire NFL for us to play as a regular season opener.

Denver isn't going to spread out anyone this year. They are running Kubiak's system now that uses two WRs and sometimes 2 TEs. They don't even have the receivers to spread us out if they wanted to. No more Welker, no more JT. Are you really that worried about Owen Daniels?

 

They don't have the same team that everyone thinks they have. 

[gabefergy]

What you completely missed during the part mentioning Jimmy Smith can minimize an elite WR, is that they have MANY elite WR'S on that offense, its staked with play makers. CJ Anderson is a beast too, and dont forget our boy Owen Daniels. Their D is no joke either, they have some boss men up front. I think the only favorable match up we have against them is our passing game against their secondary, barring our O line play of course.

 

Its going to be a tough game without a doubt and they are still heavyweights, regardless of Peytons age. I wouldn't go as far as saying the match ups favor us, with those WR's against our secondary. Sizzle and Doom will make or break this game for sure.

They have many elite WRs? They have 1 elite WR and one who may be not even be healthy enough to play. Emmanuel Sanders is not an elite WR and if Webb is healthy he matches up well against him.

 

They have a good defense, but as I already pointed out are missing their top two run stuffers from last season. Malik Jackson and Von Miller are very good, but the rest of the front 7 is not what it used to be. The middle of the field can be exploited and their run defense can be exploited.

[PurpleCity5]

They have many elite WRs? They have 1 elite WR and one who may be not even be healthy enough to play. Emmanuel Sanders is not an elite WR and if Webb is healthy he matches up well against him.

They have a good defense, but as I already pointed out are missing their top two run stuffers from last season. Malik Jackson and Von Miller are very good, but the rest of the front 7 is not what it used to be. The middle of the field can be exploited and their run defense can be exploited.

Agreed, I think their defense takes a step back. Their CBs are certainly good...no great...there's no denying that. But their Defensive Line isn't as threatning as it used to be. Honestly I like our chances though it will be a tough matchup.

[January J]

Not worried about Denver in the least. We will get an early jump on them In the first half, Peyton will try to dink and dunk his way back in it but we will run away with it In the 4th and win fairly easily. Hoping that Jernigan plays, if so we will definitely have a feild day knocking Peyton around and he will get severely frustrated, he"ll start trying to force some throws and get picked off twice in the 4th.

[MiamiRaven55]

Interestingly enough I think the vast majority here already have week one as a loss. 

Funny thing is if you go to the Broncos fan forum alot of them are saying the Broncos are going to lose week 1 as well, as they have serious issues with O-line, Special Teams, and for the 1st time I can remember they don't really have the confidence in Peyton, especially now running Kubiak's offense.

[izvoodoo]

Funny thing is if you go to the Broncos fan forum alot of them are saying the Broncos are going to lose week 1 as well, as they have serious issues with O-line, Special Teams, and for the 1st time I can remember they don't really have the confidence in Peyton, especially now running Kubiak's offense.

Honestly I don't think any AFC team is really lights out right now.  

[DomMcRaven]

Funny thing is if you go to the Broncos fan forum alot of them are saying the Broncos are going to lose week 1 as well, as they have serious issues with O-line, Special Teams, and for the 1st time I can remember they don't really have the confidence in Peyton, especially now running Kubiak's offense.

Honestly I don't think any AFC team is really lights out right now.  

I think we lose week 1, but however I agree about the AFC overall. There's no favorite regardless of what people think. Whoever can address their weaknesses quickly and consistently will win HFA in my opinion. I really hope Perriman makes a speedy recovery. 

[Static]

Funny thing is if you go to the Broncos fan forum alot of them are saying the Broncos are going to lose week 1 as well, as they have serious issues with O-line, Special Teams, and for the 1st time I can remember they don't really have the confidence in Peyton, especially now running Kubiak's offense.

 

Just checked. They think their pass rush will destroy Flacco and that our offense is nothing with Kubes. They dont even consider us a tough game. Makes sense they dont like us though. 

Edited September 3, 2015 by Static

[MiamiRaven55]

Just checked. They think their pass rush will destroy Flacco and that our offense is nothing with Kubes. They dont even consider us a tough game. Makes sense they dont like us though. 

Depends on where you look on their Fan Forum, either in Broncos Football or Talkin Smack section, there are several topics....

 

They really are still quite upset about that playoff game.... LOL

Edited September 3, 2015 by MiamiRaven55

[Static]

I like our chances better as underdogs.

[gabefergy]

TJ Ward suspended too.

[52520Andrew]

Depends on where you look on their Fan Forum, either in Broncos Football or Talkin Smack section, there are several topics....

 

They really are still quite upset about that playoff game.... LOL

 

I would probably be too in that situation, big heart breaker for them although it was great for us

[PurpleCity5]

I would probably be too in that situation, big heart breaker for them although it was great for us

Nothing tops....What Seattle did...Unforgivable....We helped them against San Francisco in SB47 and they couldn't pay us back. 

 

I will never let that go. 

[MiamiRaven55]

I would probably be too in that situation, big heart breaker for them although it was great for us

I was at that game, and that stadium was deafening with them going crazy thinking a victory was less than a minute away, then absolute silence.......... when all was said and done we pretty much waited for the entire stadium to empty to leave as they wanted our Ravens Blood and were very happy to tell us as much  . 

 

The following year we went out for the opening game and as they ran the score up on us, they were very happy to rub it it..... then I raised my replica Super Bowl ring on my index finger and made the be quiet gesture with a smirk..... LOL

[ravensfan160]

Just checked. They think their pass rush will destroy Flacco and that our offense is nothing with Kubes. They dont even consider us a tough game. Makes sense they dont like us though. 

You would think they would have learned their lesson by now. Guess not.

[MiamiRaven55]

You would think they would have learned their lesson by now. Guess not.

1 guy wrote on there, I hope we bat down a Flacco Hail Mary to win the game........ LOL (let it go Denver)

[allblackraven]

1 guy wrote on there, I hope we bat down a Flacco Hail Mary to win the game........ LOL (let it go Denver)

Little they knew it wasn't really a Hail Mary, just a normal Joe's deep pass.