2015 Training Camp Updates

[757RavensFan]

Good observation. I am hoping that is all it is and it makes sense why they want him to avoid contact. 

 

 

I was excited for Means but it looks like he will be an IR move tomorrow at this rate.  Jensen had a vicious looking head injury trying to make a block, he may be out a few weeks.  Did anyone see if Guy or Tyson's injuries were serious?

 

Means suffering from a groin injury??  I can't recall what he's ailing from.

[rmw10]

Good observation. I am hoping that is all it is and it makes sense why they want him to avoid contact. 

 

 

I was excited for Means but it looks like he will be an IR move tomorrow at this rate.  Jensen had a vicious looking head injury trying to make a block, he may be out a few weeks.  Did anyone see if Guy or Tyson's injuries were serious?

 

Curious of Means as well.  I don't think we've ever heard anything other than Zrebiec saying that he heard it wasn't too serious.

 

Jensen had a concussion, so up in the air on him.

 

Guy's is said to be minor.  He was back on the sidelines last night, albeit in street clothes.

 

Tyson sounded serious.  No word on what it is, but he was apparently sobbing on the sideline.

[GrimCoconut]

Curious of Means as well.  I don't think we've ever heard anything other than Zrebiec saying that he heard it wasn't too serious.

 

Jensen had a concussion, so up in the air on him.

 

Guy's is said to be minor.  He was back on the sidelines last night, albeit in street clothes.

 

Tyson sounded serious.  No word on what it is, but he was apparently sobbing on the sideline.

I wonder if the same person who told him this is the same guy who said Perriman would be fine in a week or whatever it was. Lol. It seems we've had our fair share of "it's nothing major" evolving into "well, we don't know when he'll be back".

[beanfigger]

Our starting O-line and starting secondary is all healthy and practicing. Let's hurry up and start the season before they change their mind.

[Ravens2343]

Curious of Means as well.  I don't think we've ever heard anything other than Zrebiec saying that he heard it wasn't too serious.

 

Jensen had a concussion, so up in the air on him.

 

Guy's is said to be minor.  He was back on the sidelines last night, albeit in street clothes.

 

Tyson sounded serious.  No word on what it is, but he was apparently sobbing on the sideline.

 

I guess Mean's injury is more serious then any of us thought.  They placed him on IR last night with a groin injury.  He was a guy I thought could contribute this year so he must have really been hurt.  It is telling they didn't put Urban on IR last night yet either, they must be hoping to use the IR-DFR on him. 

[RaineV1]

I'd use Brooks as a dime CB and have him play a mix of safety and CB. I also think Will Hill should go back to FS and put Lewis at SS. I understand it's mostly semantics in today's NFL but I think it might be for the best.

I think Hill plays best when closer to the line of scrimmage. I'd keep him as the SS and hope that Brooks can take Lewis' spot as the the FS. Lewis can be the third safety/nickleback.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Hill plays best when closer to the line of scrimmage. I'd keep him as the SS and hope that Brooks can take Lewis' spot as the the FS. Lewis can be the third safety/nickleback.

Perhaps but I've always thought the centerfielder has the best view of the field and can get people into position the best. Since Hill is stronger in coverage so far from what I've seen in Lewis, and since he has a year under his belt with this team and already has chemistry, I feel like he's probably better at FS than Lewis. Just my thoughts.

[Ravens2343]

Lawrence Guy returned to practice today so that is great news for our defensive line depth.  Jernigan, Perriman, Jensen, Melvin, Taliaferro and Tyson all sat out.  Melvin is sitting out again with an undisclosed injury, hopefully nothing to be concerned about.  Williams is still in the red jersey so hopefully its just bruised ribs and they are being cautious.  I am starting to be very concerned about Perriman's week 1 availability. If he is not back by Monday, then I doubt he plays in Denver.

[52520Andrew]

Perhaps but I've always thought the centerfielder has the best view of the field and can get people into position the best. Since Hill is stronger in coverage so far from what I've seen in Lewis, and since he has a year under his belt with this team and already has chemistry, I feel like he's probably better at FS than Lewis. Just my thoughts.

I think what it would come down to is whether they think the drop from SS would be worth it although it shouldn't be a huge difference regardless

[Ravens4Real]

There is no chance that Perriman will be contributing week 1. Hopefully they can get the ground game going because the passing game will be blahhhh

[beanfigger]

Perhaps but I've always thought the centerfielder has the best view of the field and can get people into position the best. Since Hill is stronger in coverage so far from what I've seen in Lewis, and since he has a year under his belt with this team and already has chemistry, I feel like he's probably better at FS than Lewis. Just my thoughts.

 

From reports we heard from training camp, one thing that was really valuable regarding Lewis and having him oversee the field is how he took charge of the secondary and made all the calls and adjustments. Perhaps this is worth an occasional slip up in coverage by him if it means the other players will be in the right place on all the other plays. Perhaps not. I don't know, just saying.

[Juviebest]

There is no chance that Perriman will be contributing week 1. Hopefully they can get the ground game going because the passing game will be blahhhh

If that's how you feel then be ready to...Ice Up Son!

I'm looking forward to Camp and the TEs tearing that Denver D a new one. We owe them the way they thrashed us 2 seasons ago.

[Cillmatic]

Let's think about it. Have we gotten much better? Our secondary is still suspect. Running defense has taken a step back. Random pass rush. WR core is sad. Top 2 picks aren't gonna contribute much. And we're still injury prone.

Now look at Denver. They haven't gotten worse.

I'm scared.

[ravensfan160]

Let's think about it. Have we gotten much better? Our secondary is still suspect. Running defense has taken a step back. Random pass rush. WR core is sad. Top 2 picks aren't gonna contribute much. And we're still injury prone.

Now look at Denver. They haven't gotten worse.

I'm scared.

It's not how you start but how you finish. As a Ravens fan we all should know that. I'm concerned about week 1 too but gradually guys like Perriman, Maxx, Camp, maybe even Urban will come back and we'll round into form around mid season like we always do.

 

Don' be such a downer. All teams have issues. Look at the Packers. Who would have thought a month ago that WR would be a concern for that team but now it is with Nelson gone for the year and Cobb hurt. Then you have the Steelers and all their issues on defense not to mention suspensions and injuries on offense.

 

I could go on but hopefully you get my point.

Edited September 2, 2015 by ravensfan160

[GrimCoconut]

From reports we heard from training camp, one thing that was really valuable regarding Lewis and having him oversee the field is how he took charge of the secondary and made all the calls and adjustments. Perhaps this is worth an occasional slip up in coverage by him if it means the other players will be in the right place on all the other plays. Perhaps not. I don't know, just saying.

Yeah, good point. I honestly forgot all about that. I didn't quite see it on the field, but it's possible that Lewis isn't at fault and perhaps guys just didn't stay disciplined. I really have no way of knowing that. It's so hard to evaluate secondary players unless you have the All-22. It's just not easy at all because you usually only see them when they win big or lose bad. 

[Ravensfan23]

Let's think about it. Have we gotten much better? Our secondary is still suspect. Running defense has taken a step back. Random pass rush. WR core is sad. Top 2 picks aren't gonna contribute much. And we're still injury prone.

Now look at Denver. They haven't gotten worse.

I'm scared.

If you are basing your opinion solely off of the preseason, then you clearly haven't watched much of Denver in the preseason. Peyton has next to no velocity on passes traveling 15 yards or more. That oline is struggling to keep Peyton upright and their is a bit of a disconnect between Peyton and Kubes. Manning is struggling under center and Kubes offense doesn't work as well in shotgun. They have issues of their own.

I know its common place for the home fans to be other be extremely over the top in their reactions this time of year, be it good or bad, but this team is no where near as bad as some fans make it seem. There are some questions to be question and there is no way of answering them until the regular season. Just enjoy the ride.

[Drew P]

Let's think about it. Have we gotten much better? Our secondary is still suspect. Running defense has taken a step back. Random pass rush. WR core is sad. Top 2 picks aren't gonna contribute much. And we're still injury prone.

Now look at Denver. They haven't gotten worse.

I'm scared.

 

Be thrilled that there is only one carry over player from last years squad that is done for the season. If the line can keep Joe upright good things will happen. Mosely and Hill are only getting better.

[gabefergy]

Let's think about it. Have we gotten much better? Our secondary is still suspect. Running defense has taken a step back. Random pass rush. WR core is sad. Top 2 picks aren't gonna contribute much. And we're still injury prone.

Now look at Denver. They haven't gotten worse.

I'm scared.

You sound scared, but it is unfounded.

 

Denver hasn't gotten worse? They lost almost their entire OL. They brought in Evan Mathis but who knows how good he will be in a new scheme in his age 34 season. They lost their best DT in Knighton and their best TE in Julius Thomas. They lost their starting FS and replaced him with Darian Stewart. Peyton Manning is a year older and showing serious signs of decline. Emmanuel Sanders hasn't practiced or played all preseason. 

 

Are the Ravens worse? Maybe, but the OL is still intact. The run defense lost Ngata, but Carl Davis has proven to be a very adequate DT in his absence. Our secondary got better, not worse. We are getting healthy at the right time. The only major injury concern is Perriman. While that isn't great, there are other options that can step up. McPhee will be missed, but we still have probably the best duo of pass-rushers in the league. 

[acranfor]

From reports we heard from training camp, one thing that was really valuable regarding Lewis and having him oversee the field is how he took charge of the secondary and made all the calls and adjustments. Perhaps this is worth an occasional slip up in coverage by him if it means the other players will be in the right place on all the other plays. Perhaps not. I don't know, just saying.

I think Lewis is a good veteran stop gap who, like you said, will provide great leadership and average skills as a FS. People forget about Brooks and his potential. Excited about his future as our FS. Some reports had him as the best FS in the 2014 draft (weak safety class albeit)...Typically takes DBs 2-3 years to acclimate to the NFL, so look for Brooks to make some noise by the end of this year. Hill + Brooks + Jimmy could be great by next season...

[sflegend89]

It's not how you start but how you finish. As a Ravens fan we all should know that. I'm concerned about week 1 too but gradually guys like Perriman, Maxx, Camp, maybe even Urban will come back and we'll round into form around mid season like we always do.

 

Don' be such a downer. All teams have issues. Look at the Packers. Who would have thought a month ago that WR would be a concern for that team but now it is with Nelson gone for the year and Cobb hurt. Then you have the Steelers and all their issues on defense not to mention suspensions and injuries on offense.

 

I could go on but hopefully you get my point.

 

Agreed. I think week 1 could get ugly, not quite as bad as 2013 but fans will still hit the panic button about how we will go 7-9, how Perriman is injury prone, Pees should be fired, Trestman is worse than Cam Cameron, bench this guy, bench that guy, blah blah blah.

 

Then we will round into form, Perriman will return and play really well, the defense will be stingy and hold teams to FG's, the running game will get going like it did last year and Forsett will start breaking off big runs, Flacco will be on top of his game, Trestman will pick up right where Kubiak left off, we will see huge strides out of guys like Maxx, Buck, and Carl Davis and all will be well in Raven Land. Just anticipate a rocky start, I do think we will drop the Broncos game and split with the Bengals and Steelers in weeks 3 and 4. It will start getting better from there.

Edited September 2, 2015 by sflegend89

[Purple_City39]

Agreed. I think week 1 could get ugly, not quite as bad as 2013 but fans will still hit the panic button about how we will go 7-9, how Perriman is injury prone, Pees should be fired, Trestman is worse than Cam Cameron, bench this guy, bench that guy, blah blah blah.

 

Then we will round into form, Perriman will return and play really well, the defense will be stingy and hold teams to FG's, the running game will get going like it did last year and Forsett will start breaking off big runs, Flacco will be on top of his game, Trestman will pick up right where Kubiak left off, we will see huge strides out of guys like Maxx, Buck, and Carl Davis and all will be well in Raven Land. Just anticipate a rocky start, I do think we will drop the Broncos game and split with the Bengals and Steelers in weeks 3 and 4. It will start getting better from there.

That's already began and we aren't even at week 1 yet

[K-Dog]

Agreed. I think week 1 could get ugly, not quite as bad as 2013 but fans will still hit the panic button about how we will go 7-9, how Perriman is injury prone, Pees should be fired, Trestman is worse than Cam Cameron, bench this guy, bench that guy, blah blah blah.

 

Then we will round into form, Perriman will return and play really well, the defense will be stingy and hold teams to FG's, the running game will get going like it did last year and Forsett will start breaking off big runs, Flacco will be on top of his game, Trestman will pick up right where Kubiak left off, we will see huge strides out of guys like Maxx, Buck, and Carl Davis and all will be well in Raven Land. Just anticipate a rocky start, I do think we will drop the Broncos game and split with the Bengals and Steelers in weeks 3 and 4. It will start getting better from there.

Interestingly enough I think the vast majority here already have week one as a loss. 

[sflegend89]

Interestingly enough I think the vast majority here already have week one as a loss. 

 

True, but I do think it's kinda justified. We just don't match up well with them at all and you can kind of sense that it's going to be a tough task on the road. We could win but I think a lot of us just have the mentality that after the 2013 opener in Denver it's better to just expect a rough game and be pleasantly surprised if we play well rather than expect a win and get our hopes crushed if it doesn't go our way.

 

While our secondary could definitely struggle there is also a chance the defense has a strong showing which helps our chances greatly to win that game. I really do like the combo of Hill-Lewis on the back end, having Jimmy back is huge for limiting Demaryius, and hopefully Arrington get's matched up with Sanders plenty. The DL is huge for us in that game both stopping the run and pass rushing. The Broncos ran the ball a lot at the end of last year with Anderson so if we can create a lot of congestion up front and let CJ and Buck fly around and make tackles the running game won't give us much trouble.

 

Hopefully most of us are wrong and we have underestimated our improvement from last year

[balfan23]

Interestingly enough I think the vast majority here already have week one as a loss. 

I've not liked this game from the moment the schedule came out. Really, really wanted to see us get DEN late in the season, when there is a chance that Peyton will repeat is last season and go somewhat dead armed. We're on the road in a tough place to play, we're struggling to field a solid team with all the injuries ... etc. It does leave us as clear underdogs. 

 

We need to take advantage of their losing Clady and get at Peyton off the edge. The trick is - if they want to get the ball out quick ... dare we press cover? I don't know. Our secondary hasn't looked good and our offense has no deep threat. Those are our biggest issues and it is hard to say they will get better before game 1. 

[gabefergy]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it. 

 

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA. 

 

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it. 

 

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA. 

 

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

But gabe, haven't you heard? Our preseason is indicative of our future performance. Our pass rush is nonexistent, and we have no WRs. Our season is over before it began.

 

That secondary scares me.. Chris Harris and Talib are a hell of a duo. But I think slants over the middle especially with the TE can beat them. Peyton isn't as scary as he used to be. Thomas is still a problem but that horrid oline should negate the running game. I think we have a good chance of beating them but we should not underestimate them

[757RavensFan]

How do we not match up well against Denver? An elite front 7 against a poor OL. A shutdown CB in Jimmy Smith that can minimize an elite WR, he has a track record of doing it.

Their defense is great, but they have a weakness at Safety which is where Flacco's arm strength can really be a factor. Their run defense is also missing two of it's best players from last season. Derek Wolfe to suspension and Terrance Knighton to FA.

If you actually break it down, the match-ups favor the Ravens.

TBD...we're very thin on the DLine. It wouldn't surprise me if Jernigan doesn't play vs Denver.

[PurpleCity5]

TBD...we're very thin on the DLine. It wouldn't surprise me if Jernigan doesn't play vs Denver.

Yeah, definitely, but we do have some great run stuffing Linebackers/Safeties. I don't see the run game being a big problem against this defense. 

[redrum52]

Interestingly enough I think the vast majority here already have week one as a loss.

I think we win.

[Ravens4Real]

I do not like any of our match ups against Emmanuel Sanders. Also, D. Thomas is a beast at YAC. One of those screen passes and I do not have much faith in our secondary being able to tackle him with just one guy.