2015 Training Camp Updates

[January J]

I just realized how close we are to the start of the season. Man I hope I win the you pick the 53, id be happier than a kid on Halloween. Still have a legitimate shot based on my choices, however I'm still questioning whether I should have waited bc I'm thinkin that Ozzie scours the waiver wire and makes a few acquisitions.

[GrimCoconut]

For the record, I'm talking only about you're constantly bringing up Perriman saying "iz a blessin" or however he says it. Like I'm sure he wanted to miss all of the time with his unfortunate injury.

Believe everything that I'm told? Huh? What are you talking about? By your logic, I agree with Harbaugh not preparing against the Eagles despite it being a preseason game. As far as me being a sheep, you're sadly mistaken. I can think and talk for myself. Always have and always will.

Oh come on man. You know Ozzie lost his touch. It's obvious. He just hangs his hat on drafting JO, 52, Suggs, Ngata, Flacco, Thomas, and a slew of other worthless bums. Ozzie should just retire, right? Ozzie failed us because he didn't sign Mathis, too. That'll be next and I'm surprised I haven't heard it yet. Free agent signings are two way streets.

[Sami84]

Oh come on man. You know Ozzie lost his touch. It's obvious. He just hangs his hat on drafting JO, 52, Suggs, Ngata, Flacco, Thomas, and a slew of other worthless bums. Ozzie should just retire, right? Ozzie failed us because he didn't sign Mathis, too. That'll be next and I'm surprised I haven't heard it yet. Free agent signings are two way streets.

 

Those names..how long ago??

[DomMcRaven]

Oh come on man. You know Ozzie lost his touch. It's obvious. He just hangs his hat on drafting JO, 52, Suggs, Ngata, Flacco, Thomas, and a slew of other worthless bums. Ozzie should just retire, right? Ozzie failed us because he didn't sign Mathis, too. That'll be next and I'm surprised I haven't heard it yet. Free agent signings are two way streets.

Oh silly me. I forgot. Thanks for pointing that out.

[ellicottraven]

I just realized how close we are to the start of the season. Man I hope I win the you pick the 53, id be happier than a kid on Halloween. Still have a legitimate shot based on my choices, however I'm still questioning whether I should have waited bc I'm thinkin that Ozzie scours the waiver wire and makes a few acquisitions.

Precisely why the future winner (me) is waiting!

[gabefergy]

It's only common because more people are doing it but when 90% of the league was keeping 3 QBs, it was viewed as a risk to only keep 2. Yes it would be a big risk but it's not a 16 game risk and again I'll ask, when is the last time you've seen two RBs get hurt in the same game? That'd be considered more of a freak occurrence then a common thing if that were to happen. Asking Juice to carry the ball may be a bad i'd but that comes with the risk. That's the same as losing your LS. You don't have a backup for him and you certainly aren't just gonna do away with Kicking and Punting, so you find a player thats just good enough to get you through the game so you can fix the problem. I'm not suggesting Juice be turned into Leron McClain, but if both Forsett and Juice got hurt in a game you can bet the game plan is changing anyway. The coaches may or may not decide to keep a 4th RB for a couple weeks. Harbs is a risk taker and this is one risk i could see him taking That's all I'm saying.

Isn't majority of the stuff we talk about based on an opinion, be it our own or someone elses? No coach has said there is a roster spot for a specialist just like no coach hasn't said that. My opinion is all i can give because i don't communicate with Harbs and I'm not among the decision makers for the Ravens. All i can go on is what i see and hear. I saw Asa as the top Punt Returner in both games and the top KO Returner in the Eagles game. I also heard Jerry Rosburg say that Asa would be the top guy this week. Usually the top guy at a position during the 3rd preseason game is likely to be the favorite, thus may opinion was formed that Asa is the favorite to win the RS job. I also saw Asa not get many reps at CB in the Eagles game and was admittedly puzzled by it. However i hear good things about him as a RS. Thus my opinion was formed that if Asa makes the team and doesn't get much action as a CB, then he made the team as a RS. Never said he was great at it or a superstar, just based on what i see and heard, Asa is the guy right now. We'll see how it plays out.

I've already pointed out that 2 RBs don't have to get hurt for there to be an issue. Just losing 1 RB is a problem when only 2 are active, and RBs get hurt a lot. Equating the RB position to LS or QB is comparing apples and oranges. One of these positions gets hurt with regularity while the others are extremely rare.

 

Yes, this is all opinion, and you are welcome to have yours. I'm just here to say that your opinion is very flawed and illogical. Asa may be the top RS for now, but he is at the bottom of the barrell in the CB rotation. I'm not sure why you find that puzzling if you watch him play the position. He isn't very good at it. 

 

I'm not saying that Asa can't make the team, but he seems like a player who is very much on the bubble and really needs to show something to prove his value. I am more confident in my belief that the Ravens will carry 4 RBs until Zo is healthy enough to play. 

Edited August 27, 2015 by gabefergy

[cobrajet]

Heard Hurst, Jensen, Jacobs and Melvin all practiced today.  That is good news in regards to Saturday.  Should see an Oline of Hurst, Jensen, Zuttah, Yanda and Wagner.  Melvin practicing is also an encouraging sign as I think he will be our starting outside corner opposite Smith come week 1 in Denver. 

Very good news

[GrimCoconut]

Those names..how long ago??

You're right. This guy Mosley is a bum. I'm not sure why he or Jernigan are in the NFL. Juszczyk also looks like a waste of a player. I don't know when Wagner will be healthy ever again just like I don't know if Osemele will because he's a major bust. Yanda's so overrated. Grubbs was a bum as well, which is obvious since the Saints jettisoned him to another team he must've sucked amiryt? Maybe if we're lucky Ozzie retires and Steve sells the team and a real owner and GM take over this club. Gosh, then we might win another Super Bowl since Ozzie only brought us two during his tenure and that slave-driving head coach John Harbaugh brought us one off the backs of Billick's guys using his training camps that would make Navy SEAL, DELTA force, Rangers, Green Beret, and the Israeli Special Forces & KGB all cry in pain. We need real leadership in this club!

 

Oh silly me. I forgot. Thanks for pointing that out.

No problem. Just doing my part and spreading the gospel!

Edited August 27, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[allblackraven]

"Ignore" list on this board is pretty useless when you people start replying.

[GrimCoconut]

I've already pointed out that 2 RBs don't have to get hurt for there to be an issue. Just losing 1 RB is a problem when only 2 are active, and RBs get hurt a lot. Equating the RB position to LS or QB is comparing apples and oranges. One of these positions gets hurt with regularity while the others are extremely rare.

 

Yes, this is all opinion, and you are welcome to have yours. I'm just here to say that your opinion is very flawed and illogical. Asa may be the top RS for now, but he is at the bottom of the barrell in the CB rotation. I'm not sure why you find that puzzling if you watch him play the position. He isn't very good at it. 

 

I'm not saying that Asa can't make the team, but he seems like a player who is very much on the bubble and really needs to show something to prove his value. I am more confident in my belief that the Ravens will carry 4 RBs until Zo is healthy enough to play. 

On the subject of 2 RBs, I have to agree with you guys here and disagree with Ravensfan23. Here's why: my memory is admittedly not perfect, but IIRC, we usually activate our 3rd RB on gameday. Without doing a lot of research (of which I don't have time to invest) I can't confirm this, but my memory serves to tell me we usually activate all our RBs. That means that we do see value in having that 3rd RB in there. Now that also means that the 3rd RB needs to do something on ST because he's not just going to chill on the sidelines. I think we very likely will carry 4 RBs if Lorenzo is hurt. I do like Magee as that guy because I liked him even before he came here. The question is if he can be a RS. I don't know, but I do think that Magee could make Jackson start to sweat if he can show something as a returner. 

[mg90]

You're right. This guy Mosley is a bum. I'm not sure why he or Jernigan are in the NFL. Juszczyk also looks like a waste of a player. I don't know when Wagner will be healthy ever again just like I don't know if Osemele will because he's a major bust. Yanda's so overrated. Grubbs was a bum as well, which is obvious since the Saints jettisoned him to another team he must've sucked amiryt? Maybe if we're lucky Ozzie retires and Steve sells the team and a real owner and GM take over this club. Gosh, then we might win another Super Bowl since Ozzie only brought us two during his tenure and that slave-driving head coach John Harbaugh brought us one off the backs of Billick's guys using his training camps that would make Navy SEAL, DELTA force, Rangers, Green Beret, and the Israeli Special Forces & KGB all cry in pain. We need real leadership in this club!

No problem. Just doing my part and spreading the gospel!

Thanks for that lol

This team is just fine. Seriously count the blessings for once.

[52520Andrew]

On the subject of 2 RBs, I have to agree with you guys here and disagree with Ravensfan23. Here's why: my memory is admittedly not perfect, but IIRC, we usually activate our 3rd RB on gameday. Without doing a lot of research (of which I don't have time to invest) I can't confirm this, but my memory serves to tell me we usually activate all our RBs. That means that we do see value in having that 3rd RB in there. Now that also means that the 3rd RB needs to do something on ST because he's not just going to chill on the sidelines. I think we very likely will carry 4 RBs if Lorenzo is hurt. I do like Magee as that guy because I liked him even before he came here. The question is if he can be a RS. I don't know, but I do think that Magee could make Jackson start to sweat if he can show something as a returner. 

 

I think Magee could end up making it, he is a guy that doesn't really wow you but does the little things well. 

 

As for Ozzie losing it, didn't he tell us that Corey Graham was the biggest deal we didn't make before the season even started?

[Ravensfan23]

On the subject of 2 RBs, I have to agree with you guys here and disagree with Ravensfan23. Here's why: my memory is admittedly not perfect, but IIRC, we usually activate our 3rd RB on gameday. Without doing a lot of research (of which I don't have time to invest) I can't confirm this, but my memory serves to tell me we usually activate all our RBs. That means that we do see value in having that 3rd RB in there. Now that also means that the 3rd RB needs to do something on ST because he's not just going to chill on the sidelines. I think we very likely will carry 4 RBs if Lorenzo is hurt. I do like Magee as that guy because I liked him even before he came here. The question is if he can be a RS. I don't know, but I do think that Magee could make Jackson start to sweat if he can show something as a returner.

The thing is i never said keeping a 4th RB wasn't the smart move. I simply said keeping 2 RBs was an option because Harbs is a risk taker. Last year the 2nd game vs the Bengals, Pierce was a healthy scratch which left only Forsett and LT as active RBs for that game. So it's not an idea i just pulled out of thin air, Harbs has done it before and if LT is only scheduled to miss 1-2 games he may consider it again.

As for Magee making Asa sweat, i don't think KO Returner is the issue. It's Punt Returner and Harbs already said Magee isn't a option there. The issue is who on the current roster is better suited for the job then Asa? Camp is hurt and nobody really wants to see Webb or Smitty back there. So who on the current roster do you replace Asa with? There isn't anyone else imo so it looks like Asa or a FA.

[izvoodoo]

You're right. This guy Mosley is a bum. I'm not sure why he or Jernigan are in the NFL. Juszczyk also looks like a waste of a player. I don't know when Wagner will be healthy ever again just like I don't know if Osemele will because he's a major bust. Yanda's so overrated. Grubbs was a bum as well, which is obvious since the Saints jettisoned him to another team he must've sucked amiryt? Maybe if we're lucky Ozzie retires and Steve sells the team and a real owner and GM take over this club. Gosh, then we might win another Super Bowl since Ozzie only brought us two during his tenure and that slave-driving head coach John Harbaugh brought us one off the backs of Billick's guys using his training camps that would make Navy SEAL, DELTA force, Rangers, Green Beret, and the Israeli Special Forces & KGB all cry in pain. We need real leadership in this club!

 

 

I was at the draft event and Mosley got booed when he was picked.  And man we were wrong.  

[BmoreBird22]

I was at the draft event and Mosley got booed when he was picked.  And man we were wrong.  

I loved getting CJ Mosley (he wasn't my first choice, but I figured he'd be in the running for the pick), and I'm sure a lot of fans there loved CJ Mosley the player, but if those guys were anything like me, they were hoping for someone flashy, like Brandin Cooks. 

[KBoum]

I loved getting CJ Mosley (he wasn't my first choice, but I figured he'd be in the running for the pick), and I'm sure a lot of fans there loved CJ Mosley the player, but if those guys were anything like me, they were hoping for someone flashy, like Brandin Cooks. 

 

I remember the Texans fans booing the JJ Watt pick. Not flashy enough...

[BmoreBird22]

I remember the Texans fans booing the JJ Watt pick. Not flashy enough...

He's turned pretty flashy with those touchdown catches.

[jazz1988]

You're right. This guy Mosley is a bum. I'm not sure why he or Jernigan are in the NFL. Juszczyk also looks like a waste of a player. I don't know when Wagner will be healthy ever again just like I don't know if Osemele will because he's a major bust. Yanda's so overrated. Grubbs was a bum as well, which is obvious since the Saints jettisoned him to another team he must've sucked amiryt? Maybe if we're lucky Ozzie retires and Steve sells the team and a real owner and GM take over this club. Gosh, then we might win another Super Bowl since Ozzie only brought us two during his tenure and that slave-driving head coach John Harbaugh brought us one off the backs of Billick's guys using his training camps that would make Navy SEAL, DELTA force, Rangers, Green Beret, and the Israeli Special Forces & KGB all cry in pain. We need real leadership in this club!

 

 

No problem. Just doing my part and spreading the gospel!

 

Man that was deep Brotha Coconut preach on preach on .

[GrimCoconut]

The thing is i never said keeping a 4th RB wasn't the smart move. I simply said keeping 2 RBs was an option because Harbs is a risk taker. Last year the 2nd game vs the Bengals, Pierce was a healthy scratch which left only Forsett and LT as active RBs for that game. So it's not an idea i just pulled out of thin air, Harbs has done it before and if LT is only scheduled to miss 1-2 games he may consider it again.

As for Magee making Asa sweat, i don't think KO Returner is the issue. It's Punt Returner and Harbs already said Magee isn't a option there. The issue is who on the current roster is better suited for the job then Asa? Camp is hurt and nobody really wants to see Webb or Smitty back there. So who on the current roster do you replace Asa with? There isn't anyone else imo so it looks like Asa or a FA.

I don't think I said you said keeping 4 RB wasn't a smart move. I don't remember though. If I implied that, that's not what I meant. I admittedly haven't followed the conservation very closely, more or less picked out bits and pieces lol. Thanks for the info on Pierce as a precedent. That certainly supports the case. I do think there's a different degree of risk, however, with going with 2 RB vs QB. QB is a more valuable position, but backup QB do little besides sit whereas backup RB can see snaps on offense, ST, and maybe even defense lol.

I didn't know that regarding PR. That certainly changes things since I don't think KR is as vital as PR with today's rules.

[GrimCoconut]

Man that was deep Brotha Coconut preach on preach on .

No problem. I also can't believe I forgot about "Discover" AKA Dennis Pitta, "Terrence Cody 2.0" Brandon Williams, Arthur "no bones" Jones, Pernell "bad knees" McPhee, Jimmy "double move" Smith who will clearly never be a shutdown CB, that bum Webb who was never any good, Torrey Smith who never amounted to much (some may actually agree with this, and I couldn't disagree more).

I seriously challenge someone to find a GM who finds this many good players in drafts. There's no such thing as a guarantee in any draft. There's no telling that Richard Sherman would be the same player here as he is in Seattle. It's so easy to sit here and criticize business decisions professionals actually trained in these matters conduct. I think Ozzie has gotten great players in these drafts. They all haven't panned out but there's many reasons for that, some in our control and some not.

[beanfigger]

No problem. I also can't believe I forgot about "Discover" AKA Dennis Pitta, "Terrence Cody 2.0" Brandon Williams, Arthur "no bones" Jones, Pernell "bad knees" McPhee, Jimmy "double move" Smith who will clearly never be a shutdown CB, that bum Webb who was never any good, Torrey Smith who never amounted to much (some may actually agree with this, and I couldn't disagree more).

I seriously challenge someone to find a GM who finds this many good players in drafts. There's no such thing as a guarantee in any draft. There's no telling that Richard Sherman would be the same player here as he is in Seattle. It's so easy to sit here and criticize business decisions professionals actually trained in these matters conduct. I think Ozzie has gotten great players in these drafts. They all haven't panned out but there's many reasons for that, some in our control and some not.

Yeah, but the draft is only part of his job. Until he finds a way to pick up quality free agents like Dumervil, D Smith, S Smith and Forsett, while re-signing stars like Suggs, Flacco and J Smith and still continuing to pile up the compensatory picks, then he will continue to deserve all the hate...

Oh, wait...

[Maryland]

I'm not sure what fans you are talking to because they may be delusional. It has been stated in multiple reports that he wanted out of Philly because they never gave him a chance to play outside. So if he never did, how can you possibly, or anyone for that matter, say that he played horrible outside? And PFF may not be the be all statistical company, but they have been doing their job long enough. Forgive me, but I'll listen to them more than you and "the people you talked to".

Also, in an earlier post you stated Arrington was the better player. I stated that Boykin was a top 10 CB rated by PFF and Arrington was near the bottom. We can nitpick all we want about how they keep and rank their statistics, but let's get real, their numbers aren't that wrong for that much of a discrepancy. There's no harm in saying that the Steelers made a good move.

Can you find a quote where I said Arrington is the better player? I said they both play the same position, slot corner, and Boykin has the advantage of being on a rookie contract.

 

Having 3 slot corners doesn't really help when you need an outside corner, so still don't understand how trading for Boykin would help, unless you're saying, hypothetically, if we had passed on Arrington and traded a 4th for Boykin we would be in a better position. I don't really care about hypotheticals though. 

 

Philly didn't want him to play outside the slot because when he did he was terrible lol. That's a fact. Go watch some of those Dallas games. He and Cary were getting abused like crazy. It was almost as bad as watching Arrington getting abused out wide in the playoffs. 

[Ravensfan23]

I don't think I said you said keeping 4 RB wasn't a smart move. I don't remember though. If I implied that, that's not what I meant. I admittedly haven't followed the conservation very closely, more or less picked out bits and pieces lol. Thanks for the info on Pierce as a precedent. That certainly supports the case. I do think there's a different degree of risk, however, with going with 2 RB vs QB. QB is a more valuable position, but backup QB do little besides sit whereas backup RB can see snaps on offense, ST, and maybe even defense lol.

I didn't know that regarding PR. That certainly changes things since I don't think KR is as vital as PR with today's rules.

Oh no i wasn't saying you implied that. I was just saying that in general to be clear because much like yourself many will just take bits and pieces. So before the debate grows legs i figured I'd make my stance clear lol.

I absolutely understand QB being much different then RB. My intention wasn't to compare the positions but the risk in itself. In 2010 when the Ravens first decided to keep only 2 QBs people saw it as a huge risk. What Harbs said about that is exactly what I'm saying about this situation.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/11/16/ravens-comfy-with-2-qb-roster-risk/

Just saying it's not a given, despite being the smart move. Also while the 3rd RB does have a role it's not a large one in this situation. I'm going off the basis of LT only missing about 2 games. In those 2 games Magee(he's my 4th) wouldn't just replace someone on special teams, chances are he won't recieve any carries unless needed, so he'd be strictly insurance against one of the top guys getting hurt. He'd have no more of a role then what you described of the backup QB lol. Again we're not talking about a season long thing. Just a couple games going off the timeline given for LT's injury.

[GrimCoconut]

Oh no i wasn't saying you implied that. I was just saying that in general to be clear because much like yourself many will just take bits and pieces. So before the debate grows legs i figured I'd make my stance clear lol.

I absolutely understand QB being much different then RB. My intention wasn't to compare the positions but the risk in itself. In 2010 when the Ravens first decided to keep only 2 QBs people saw it as a huge risk. What Harbs said about that is exactly what I'm saying about this situation.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/11/16/ravens-comfy-with-2-qb-roster-risk/

Just saying it's not a given, despite being the smart move. Also while the 3rd RB does have a role it's not a large one in this situation. I'm going off the basis of LT only missing about 2 games. In those 2 games Magee(he's my 4th) wouldn't just replace someone on special teams, chances are he won't recieve any carries unless needed, so he'd be strictly insurance against one of the top guys getting hurt. He'd have no more of a role then what you described of the backup QB lol. Again we're not talking about a season long thing. Just a couple games going off the timeline given for LT's injury.

I think if Lorenzo misses time Magee will definitely play in the rotation but that's me. We do have Allen so I can see why you'd say that but Allen is a little different than Magee in style.

Anyway, one area that actually supports your argument I think is back when it came to fan favorite Bobby Rainey. I was actually a fan of his but I recall saying we should keep him in case Rice was hurt due to similar skill set. That year was the bad year aka 2013 when we could've used him lol but we did cut him. I suppose to your credit this could be similar although it's a little different because someone's actually injured as opposed to hypothetically.

[BmoreBird22]

Can you find a quote where I said Arrington is the better player? I said they both play the same position, slot corner, and Boykin has the advantage of being on a rookie contract.

 

Having 3 slot corners doesn't really help when you need an outside corner, so still don't understand how trading for Boykin would help, unless you're saying, hypothetically, if we had passed on Arrington and traded a 4th for Boykin we would be in a better position. I don't really care about hypotheticals though. 

 

Philly didn't want him to play outside the slot because when he did he was terrible lol. That's a fact. Go watch some of those Dallas games. He and Cary were getting abused like crazy. It was almost as bad as watching Arrington getting abused out wide in the playoffs. 

Maybe it's just me, but doesn't it say something that no team wanted to trade for Boykin despite the cost being a fifth rounder? Pitt came through, from my understanding, after a fairly good amount of time. You'd think he'd demand a pretty good amount of attention at a premium position if teams felt he could play outside, but it took the Steelers to trade for him only after Golson was injured. 

[Ravensfan23]

I think if Lorenzo misses time Magee will definitely play in the rotation but that's me. We do have Allen so I can see why you'd say that but Allen is a little different than Magee in style.

Anyway, one area that actually supports your argument I think is back when it came to fan favorite Bobby Rainey. I was actually a fan of his but I recall saying we should keep him in case Rice was hurt due to similar skill set. That year was the bad year aka 2013 when we could've used him lol but we did cut him. I suppose to your credit this could be similar although it's a little different because someone's actually injured as opposed to hypothetically.

I don't see the 3rd RB getting many if any touches on a regular basis. It doesn't matter if it's Buck or Mcgee. As much as the Ravens ran the ball last year, the 3rd RB(regardless of player) didn't see a single touch in 10 games. In the 6 games the 3rd RB did get a carry, 3 of those games the 3rd RB saw 3 or fewer carries. So much of last season the 3RB was more of a special teamer than apart of the offense and again i don't see displacing someone on ST for 2 games. I'd like to see Mcgee run behind the starting oline, but if he's only active for 2 games or so, i just can't help but see him as just insurance.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Ozzie done? Okay... Let's do this crap. Time to put this to rest.

2012 draft

Courtney Upshaw. We drafted him to play the run. That's it. All he's good for. Damn good at it. Good pick, not great. Some will deem it horrible, but I am glad we have him.

Keliche Osemele. One of the best young guards in the nfl.

Bernard Pierce- Had one good season for us. Changed schemes/injury prone. But we still got one productive year out of him. Could've been worse.

Gino Gradkowski-was a terrible center for us, but Elway traded a fourth rounder to get him. I'd say that's a win. Within itself. Who made the trade? Oh yeah Ozzie. But he's still done right?

Christian Tomphson- Non-factor. I'll give you that.

Asa Jackson- Has been servicable if less than average if injury prone. In the later rounds that's not too terrible.

Tommy Streeter- Risk worth taking at that cheap that didn't pay off.

Deangelo Tyson- Classic Ozzie Newsome pick who has turned into a quality rotational dlinemen for us. We couldn't ask more.

Overall: Not bad. Not great. We got a stud(Osemele) and a few temporarily servicable players. Could've been sigificantly worse.

2013 draft:

Matt Elam- Terrible. No disputing it. Ozzie fixed the issue almost immediantly afterwards by getting Hill. Who's not going anywhere.

Arthur Brown- Never has seen the field but looking like a bust.

Brandon Williams-Stud. One of the best players in football that no one talks about.

Kyle Juszczyk- Good fullback. Good blocker, better pass catcher. He's a swiss army knife. One I'm very happy to have

John Simon-High effort player we didn't have room for(but I thought Ozzie sucked?)

Ricky Wagner-One of the best RTs in football right now.

Aaron Mellete-Injury risk that didn't work out.

KLM- Injury prone. Didn't work out

Marc Anthony- He sang to me and it sucked. So Ozzie cut him

Overall: While it sucks to miss hard on your first two picks(in a terrible class mind you), Ozzie still hit big on two of the mid round picks. and got a good player in Juice. This draft is a success. We got 3 players that are positive contributors here. Two in which are already some of the best at their position already. The future is high for Wagner and Williams.

2014

CJ Mosley- Future anchor of the defense. One of the 15 (if not 10) best MLBs in football right now witha high football IQ. If he learns how to cover he's going to be an elite player.

Timmy Jernigan- Showed great pass rushing and run stuffing ability. Could become a key player on the dline for years to come. Very good replacement choice for Ngata.

Terrance Brooks- He had some bad plays last year but also did impress at times. He could be a very good safety one day. Future is bright for him.

Crockett Gillmore- Say what you want about it. Looks like we made the right pick. He's a tough as nails blocker with good hands. He's just tough as nails in totality. He coud be a Heath Miller TE for us. Which is a great thing.

Brett Urban-TBD. But looks like Injury prone.

Lorenzo Taliafero-Had a few high quality runs last year and looked like a good option for the goal line this year. Probably will be nothing more than a #2 RB but that's fine. We need one of those.

John Urschel- A huge steal. He played at a high quality for any player when asked to fill in at guard. Could be a starting center in the near future.

Keith Weinning- Instead of Weinning we lost and found a better QB in Renner.

Micheal Campanaro- Another potential steal. He has a rapport with Joe from the few looks I've seen and great playmaking ability.

Overall: If we win another SB soon this draft class will be a major part of it. We missed on two picks. One is a backup QB who will never contribute to a SB team anyway, and another is injured. Who physically cannot contribute.

So wait? That's Upshaw, Osemele, Williams, Juice, Wagner, Mosley, Jernigan, Brooks, Gillmore, Taliafero, Urschel, Camp. They've all made positive contributions? 12 players in the past three drafts? Sure, only one is a superstar. But here's the thing. Not every player has to be a superstar.High quality players are high quality players. Osemele, Williams, Wagner, Jernigan, Urschel, and (if he stays heathy probably) Camp. All high quality.

Ozzie has lost his touch... Please. Let's go through his FA acquisitions too.

We never went after a big name(cept Dumervil). There were those that did not work out(Spears and Huff). But lets look at the ones who did past 2 years.

Steve Smith Sr.

Owen Daniels

Chris Canty

Daryl Smith

Elvis Dumervil

Justin Forsett

Will Hill..

So everyone except for Daniels is still on the team and a high quality contributor on that list?

Ozzie is so done.

Trades?

Eugene Monroe

Jeremy Zuttah(who have both played parts in making the line what it is rn).

TLDR: We've acquired 21 additional quality players not counting this year's FA or draft in the past three years. That's pretty good. If you think Ozzie has lost his edge. You're wrong.

[Sami84]

Ozzie done? Okay... Let's do this crap. Time to put this to rest.

2012 draft

Courtney Upshaw. We drafted him to play the run. That's it. All he's good for. Damn good at it. Good pick, not great. Some will deem it horrible, but I am glad we have him.

Keliche Osemele. One of the best young guards in the nfl.

Bernard Pierce- Had one good season for us. Changed schemes/injury prone. But we still got one productive year out of him. Could've been worse.

Gino Gradkowski-was a terrible center for us, but Elway traded a fourth rounder to get him. I'd say that's a win. Within itself. Who made the trade? Oh yeah Ozzie. But he's still done right?

Christian Tomphson- Non-factor. I'll give you that.

Asa Jackson- Has been servicable if less than average if injury prone. In the later rounds that's not too terrible.

Tommy Streeter- Risk worth taking at that cheap that didn't pay off.

Deangelo Tyson- Classic Ozzie Newsome pick who has turned into a quality rotational dlinemen for us. We couldn't ask more.

Overall: Not bad. Not great. We got a stud(Osemele) and a few temporarily servicable players. Could've been sigificantly worse.

2013 draft:

Matt Elam- Terrible. No disputing it. Ozzie fixed the issue almost immediantly afterwards by getting Hill. Who's not going anywhere.

Arthur Brown- Never has seen the field but looking like a bust.

Brandon Williams-Stud. One of the best players in football that no one talks about.

Kyle Juszczyk- Good fullback. Good blocker, better pass catcher. He's a swiss army knife. One I'm very happy to have

John Simon-High effort player we didn't have room for(but I thought Ozzie sucked?)

Ricky Wagner-One of the best RTs in football right now.

Aaron Mellete-Injury risk that didn't work out.

KLM- Injury prone. Didn't work out

Marc Anthony- He sang to me and it sucked. So Ozzie cut him

Overall: While it sucks to miss hard on your first two picks(in a terrible class mind you), Ozzie still hit big on two of the mid round picks. and got a good player in Juice. This draft is a success. We got 3 players that are positive contributors here. Two in which are already some of the best at their position already. The future is high for Wagner and Williams.

2014

CJ Mosley- Future anchor of the defense. One of the 15 (if not 10) best MLBs in football right now witha high football IQ. If he learns how to cover he's going to be an elite player.

Timmy Jernigan- Showed great pass rushing and run stuffing ability. Could become a key player on the dline for years to come. Very good replacement choice for Ngata.

Terrance Brooks- He had some bad plays last year but also did impress at times. He could be a very good safety one day. Future is bright for him.

Crockett Gillmore- Say what you want about it. Looks like we made the right pick. He's a tough as nails blocker with good hands. He's just tough as nails in totality. He coud be a Heath Miller TE for us. Which is a great thing.

Brett Urban-TBD. But looks like Injury prone.

Lorenzo Taliafero-Had a few high quality runs last year and looked like a good option for the goal line this year. Probably will be nothing more than a #2 RB but that's fine. We need one of those.

John Urschel- A huge steal. He played at a high quality for any player when asked to fill in at guard. Could be a starting center in the near future.

Keith Weinning- Instead of Weinning we lost and found a better QB in Renner.

Micheal Campanaro- Another potential steal. He has a rapport with Joe from the few looks I've seen and great playmaking ability.

Overall: If we win another SB soon this draft class will be a major part of it. We missed on two picks. One is a backup QB who will never contribute to a SB team anyway, and another is injured. Who physically cannot contribute.

So wait? That's Upshaw, Osemele, Williams, Juice, Wagner, Mosley, Jernigan, Brooks, Gillmore, Taliafero, Urschel, Camp. They've all made positive contributions? 12 players in the past three drafts? Sure, only one is a superstar. But here's the thing. Not every player has to be a superstar.High quality players are high quality players. Osemele, Williams, Wagner, Jernigan, Urschel, and (if he stays heathy probably) Camp. All high quality.

Ozzie has lost his touch... Please. Let's go through his FA acquisitions too.

We never went after a big name(cept Dumervil). There were those that did not work out(Spears and Huff). But lets look at the ones who did past 2 years.

Steve Smith Sr.

Owen Daniels

Chris Canty

Daryl Smith

Elvis Dumervil

Justin Forsett

Will Hill..

So everyone except for Daniels is still on the team and a high quality contributor on that list?

Ozzie is so done.

Trades?

Eugene Monroe

Jeremy Zuttah(who have both played parts in making the line what it is rn).

TLDR: We've acquired 21 additional quality players not counting this year's FA or draft in the past three years. That's pretty good. If you think Ozzie has lost his edge. You're wrong.

 

 

Upshaw has been dissapointing. A below average selection for a first pick.

 

Before you sing the praises of some of the guys on that list..how about we see how they actually do this year. There have been plenty of one year wonders/promises who who get worse. I like the potential of gilmore but this year is the year you actually grade him. Juice? I haven't been that impressed..he's a fullback and to be honest we could have used it on another pick..brooks..? nothing..a few bad games a big hit on walker and an injury...

 

Overall not so great. You didn't count the diabolical 2010 draft. 

 

We have only had 1 drafted pro bowler on defense...in the late 90's and early 00's...that was not the case.

 

he is slipping some

Edited August 28, 2015 by Sami84

[redrum52]

Once again your memory is failing you. He had a stellar rookie season including the playoffs. He gave up 18 receptions on 36 targets for 240 yards. He also had 3 picks so saying his ball tracking skills were an ugly weakness is false. PFF gave him a +7.4 grade in only 335 snaps demonstrating his excellent play. The next year, Smith did have some bigger issues in coverage, and he did have a tendency to bite on double moves. However, he was playing with an abdomimal injury. Onve he had surgery and came back healthy his play was much better, imcluding his stellar showing in the SB.

Melvin doesn't have the pedigree of Jimmy, but he could certainly turn into a useful player. The fact that he was so poor in his last showing sticks in people's minds.

I always wonder why people think Jimmy started bad. His first year was good, when he was on the field and 2nd year maybe took a slight step bckwards, but he was never awful and never, to me, looked like a bust. Everyone stunk on the Chargers game and I remember Jimmy making some plays against the Pats in the AFCCG.

[mg90]

he is slipping some

Who are the better GM's to you in recent years? There's gotta quite a few in mind to convince yourself that we've been drafting badly.