2015 Training Camp Updates

[rmw10]

I think if any "veteran" WR is in trouble, it's Campanaro, and that's only if he gets hurt and can't make it through camp to prove himself.

[izvoodoo]

Goes back to what I was saying in the WR thread.  If you cut Brown, you have 31 career catches from the guys behind Steve Smith.  We'd be going with 3 guys with 0 career catches to their names.  I just don't see that happening.  If Butler keeps it up, Waller could be the odd man out.  I get that he has potential, but so did Justin Harper, Tommy Streeter, etc.  At least Waller has a bit of a different makeup in that he's not this rail thin, but tall WR.

I think the only thing putting Waller on a roster spot is he'd last 3 seconds on the training camp.  That dudes body is going to give him at least 4 years in the NFL.  

[rmw10]

I think the only thing putting Waller on a roster spot is he'd last 3 seconds on the training camp.  That dudes body is going to give him at least 4 years in the NFL.  

 

Would he, though?  We say that every year (insert name here) won't make it to the practice squad, and it rarely ever turns out to be the case.  I'm not saying Waller doesn't have a shot to stick because of that fear, but I wouldn't say it's sure fire that he's picked up, either.  He nearly made it through 6 full rounds before someone was willing to take a chance on him.

[izvoodoo]

Goes back to what I was saying in the WR thread.  If you cut Brown, you have 31 career catches from the guys behind Steve Smith.  We'd be going with 3 guys with 0 career catches to their names.  I just don't see that happening.  If Butler keeps it up, Waller could be the odd man out.  I get that he has potential, but so did Justin Harper, Tommy Streeter, etc.  At least Waller has a bit of a different makeup in that he's not this rail thin, but tall WR.

I don't think anyone doesn't think Aiken can't produce if he needs to.  I think he and brown are similar quality even though Brown has more stats.  But I just don't think we cut brown.  Although I don't think Brown is a great fit for this offense though, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't make it.  I also think Campanero basically makes it if he's healthy.  He was actually pretty productive and he can be a return man.    

[izvoodoo]

Would he, though?  We say that every year (insert name here) won't make it to the practice squad, and it rarely ever turns out to be the case.  I'm not saying Waller doesn't have a shot to stick because of that fear, but I wouldn't say it's sure fire that he's picked up, either.  He nearly made it through 6 full rounds before someone was willing to take a chance on him.

I'm pretty confident Waller gets on a roster somewhere.  Though there's a real abundance of WR talent, I still think he'd make a roster somewhere in the NFL.  Although this is all really really really speculative at this point.  We haven't even started the preseason.  

Edited August 1, 2015 by izvoodoo

[ravensdan]

A sad, sorry, unfortunate story many of you guys may know but forgot...Antonio Brown was last year's top WR. In 2010 Pittsburgh selected him in the 6th round immediately after the Ravens select R A M O N Harewood with the 195th pick. That's .

I thought Harewood would pan out. He looked like a least a strong reserve early on. Also a lot of people thought Sanders would be the top Steelers wideout for several years but if was obvious to me from day one who was better. The only shocking thing to me was Sanders was able to get on the same page with Manning, something he never did with Ben.

[rmw10]

I don't think anyone doesn't think Aiken can't produce if he needs to.  I think he and brown are similar quality even though Brown has more stats.  But I just don't think we cut brown.  Although I don't think Brown is a great fit for this offense though, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't make it.  I also think Campanero basically makes it if he's healthy.  He was actually pretty productive and he can be a return man.    

 

I know Aiken can produce, but you need more than 2 "proven" talents on the roster, which is why I think Brown is ultimately safe.  What if Perriman doesn't adjust in live games?  What if Butler is just a workout warrior?  What is Campanaro gets hurt again?  What if Waller is as raw as he's made out to be?  That's a lot of question there to go with 4 guys with spotty/non-existant track records.  Brown may not have the highest upside of all of our receivers, but he's a safe option that we know can produce in a pinch.

 

This is more of a build off of your comment, not a disagreement or anything, by the way.

[rmw10]

I'm pretty confident Waller gets on a roster somewhere.  Though there's a real abundance of WR talent, I still think he'd make a roster somewhere in the NFL.  Although this is all really really really speculative at this point.  We haven't even started the preseason.  

 

Again, this is said every year about whatever hot name it might be.  Seamster is the only guy that I can recall that was claimed in recent history, but I think we wanted Jacobs to make it through more than him anyways.

[rmw10]

On a completely unrelated note, Jimmy Smith has a nose piercing.  It really caught me off guard on the home page.

[polynesian15]

Lots of pictures from today's camp:  

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-ravens-training-camp-pictures-20150730-photogallery.html

 

 

Smitty's visor is badass, actually he's just badass in general!

[polynesian15]

A sad, sorry, unfortunate story many of you guys may know but forgot...Antonio Brown was last year's top WR. In 2010 Pittsburgh selected him in the 6th round immediately after the Ravens select R A M O N  Harewood with the 195th pick. That's  .

Coulda woulda shoulda, we still got the better team

[sflegend89]

A sad, sorry, unfortunate story many of you guys may know but forgot...Antonio Brown was last year's top WR. In 2010 Pittsburgh selected him in the 6th round immediately after the Ravens select R A M O N  Harewood with the 195th pick. That's  .

 

CJ Mosley was the true DROY and will be a top 5 ILB in the NFL and we selected him after the Steelers selected Ryan Shazier, We also snapped up Maxx Williams right up from under them and they reached on an oompa loompa corner. The draft is a cruel mistress for all 32 teams at one time or another. Every single team passed on Arian Foster for all 7 rounds and now there's 31 teams who regret it.

 

After round 5 or so the draft is a lot like buying a scratch off lottery ticket. More often then not you don't win anything, sometimes you win a something small, rarely you win something good, and once in a blue moon someone wins the freakin' jackpot. The Steelers were those lucky jackpot recipients in the form of Antonio Brown. The Broncos hit the jackpot with Terrelle Davis in 1995 and the Patriots hit the jackpot with Brady in 2000.

 

If anyone in Pittsburgh knew he would be half the player he ended up being they wouldn't have waited until the 6th round to draft him, keep that in mind. They hit the jackpot that year, we got a dud scratcher like most teams do that late. It is what it is. 

[jazz1988]

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL  9m9 minutes ago

The Ravens are signing former Army quarterback Trent Steelman, according to a source. He tried out this week to play wide receiver

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL  5m5 minutes ago

Ravens to cut rookie quarterback Jerry Lovelocke, per a source

 

 

Interesting how The Ravens are adding more wide receivers to training camp..

[RavensnTerps]

Interesting how The Ravens are adding more wide receivers to training camp..

 

My thoughts exactly.

[edreed2o]

Interesting how The Ravens are adding more wide receivers to training camp..

It has nothing to do with the talent of our receivers. I think its because they want the best competition for kick/punt return duties as possible.

[Bruce_Almty]

CJ Mosley was the true DROY and will be a top 5 ILB in the NFL and we selected him after the Steelers selected Ryan Shazier, We also snapped up Maxx Williams right up from under them and they reached on an oompa loompa corner. The draft is a cruel mistress for all 32 teams at one time or another. Every single team passed on Arian Foster for all 7 rounds and now there's 31 teams who regret it.

 

After round 5 or so the draft is a lot like buying a scratch off lottery ticket. More often then not you don't win anything, sometimes you win a something small, rarely you win something good, and once in a blue moon someone wins the freakin' jackpot. The Steelers were those lucky jackpot recipients in the form of Antonio Brown. The Broncos hit the jackpot with Terrelle Davis in 1995 and the Patriots hit the jackpot with Brady in 2000.

 

If anyone in Pittsburgh knew he would be half the player he ended up being they wouldn't have waited until the 6th round to draft him, keep that in mind. They hit the jackpot that year, we got a dud scratcher like most teams do that late. It is what it is. 

I didn't throw that tidbit out as a woe is me kinda thing. We were talking receivers and I thought of it.

 

The biggest regret in the past 10 yrs is Cleveland's (and the Redskins) passing on Aaron Rodgers. After passing on him Cleveland vowed to take a QB in the 1st round every other year thereafter and they are still going strong with that conviction. lol

[Cillmatic]

We're having serious problems finding return men. Maybe we should of just bite the Bullet and paid Jacoby...

[BmoreBird22]

We're having serious problems finding return men. Maybe we should of just bite the Bullet and paid Jacoby...

He didn't look all that impressive last year

[sflegend89]

I didn't throw that tidbit out as a woe is me kinda thing. We were talking receivers and I thought of it.

 

The biggest regret in the past 10 yrs is Cleveland's (and the Redskins) passing on Aaron Rodgers. After passing on him Cleveland vowed to take a QB in the 1st round every other year thereafter and they are still going strong with that conviction. lol

 

Yeah, I think judging 1st round mistakes is a lot more justified because there is much more viable scouting/evaluating work that can be done on those players. If you mess up in the 1st round you can definitely put some blame on the front office, missing on a guy like Antonio Brown all the way in the 6th I would never hold against a team's front office because it's just a needle in a haystack type pick.

 

Speaking of the Browns I don't think them missing out on Rodgers was an egregious mistake (at the time) because they had the 3rd overall pick that year and Rodgers was never really considered a top 3 talent, if you recall Alex Smith was the crown jewel of that QB class and pretty much overshadowed Rodgers. Hindsight makes it look a lot worse than it was at the time.

 

To me the Browns draft last year was a massive failure even at the time it happened. They knew Gordon was suspended the whole year (pre-appeal), his long term future is in doubt with the habitual failed drug tests. Sammy Watkins falls right into their lap, consensus #1 WR in the draft, as safe and high upside of a pick as they come. High character kid, super talented, gives their anemic offense an identity and explosive playmaker for the long haul. They trade out and grab a 1st in 2015. I would've taken Watkins but fair enough let's see what they do at #8, Odell Beckham still available as the best WR on the board, you could go with Aaron Donald #1 DT who scouts absolutely raved about.

 

They go with Justin Gilbert, not a horrible pick by any means, talented prospect. But worth missing out on Watkins for even with the 2015 1st rounder? I don't see it, especially because that 2015 pick isn't likely to be in the top 10, which it wasn't, it was barely in the top 20. I thought Kyle Fuller was the better cover corner even at the time of the draft and you have gone from a home run in Watkins to playing with fire and taking a guy who certainly could be a bust or be just average as is the nature of 1st round corners like Morris Claiborne and similar prospects. The 2014 draft was all about the WR's, that 1st round was stacked and you couldn't go wrong with any of them.. the Browns have deviated from the drafts biggest strength on 2 different occasions already.

 

What more needs to be said about the Manziel pick. Get caught up in the hype like amateurs and pass on Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater for the "sexy pick". They have two 1st rounders including a top 5 pick and manage to come away with less of a haul than Ozzie Newsome sitting at 17 overall, that's embarrassing.

Edited August 1, 2015 by sflegend89

[usmccharles]

 

What more needs to be said about the Manziel pick. Get caught up in the hype like amateurs and pass on Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater for the "sexy pick". They have two 1st rounders including a top 5 pick and manage to come away with less of a haul than Ozzie Newsome sitting at 17 overall, that's embarrassing.

 

What makes that even worse, besides being in the same division, is the obvious Browns leaving and who came with him....OZ.  That tough has had some terrible luck in sports, luckily Lebron will bring them a ring in the next two years.

 

 

 

Edit- i just noticed your sig, pretty ironic lol

Edited August 1, 2015 by usmccharles

[Sami84]

Coulda woulda shoulda, we still got the better team

 

Ozzie'' We go for the better player. Ramon was higher on our board than antonio brown''.

 

Edited August 1, 2015 by Sami84

[lgcs27288]

Ozzie'' We go for the better player. Ramon was higher on our board than antonio brown''.

The same as everyone else. Let me guess though, you had him rated as the highest receiver in the class right?

[Sami84]

The same as everyone else. Let me guess though, you had him rated as the highest receiver in the class right?

 

I had him as a 3rd round talent. So i was underrating him a bit also.

Edited August 1, 2015 by Sami84

[edreed2o]

I had him as a 3rd round talent. So i was underrating him a bit also.

Hater. And why arent you a scout? Cant sand people like this. Ozzie and 31 other GM's passed on brown multiple times until the sixth round. Teams passed on ray lewis, ed reed, haloti ngata, cj mosley, joe flacco, ray rice, marshal yanda, kelechi osemele etc. It happens every year and its impossible not to skip great talent.

[757RavensFan]

I had him as a 3rd round talent. So i was underrating him a bit also.

So you had him rated 3 rounds higher than 32 GMs and their scouting teams? Yeah, ok!!

[Cillmatic]

We have WAY too many WR's.

[52520Andrew]

So you had him rated 3 rounds higher than 32 GMs and their scouting teams? Yeah, ok!!

Wouldn't rule it out. Ravens had Urban as a 2nd rounder on their board last year and he dropped to the bottom of the 4th round. You would be surprised how high soke of the guys are on team's boards late in the draft.

[ravensdan]

Wouldn't rule it out. Ravens had Urban as a 2nd rounder on their board last year and he dropped to the bottom of the 4th round. You would be surprised how high soke of the guys are on team's boards late in the draft.

Yeah the ravens have stated most years they pick only players rated in their top 100. I think 2013 was an exception.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

So you had him rated 3 rounds higher than 32 GMs and their scouting teams? Yeah, ok!!

Yeah. I don't believe it either. What's next, did he have Tom Brady as a first rounder?

[January J]

Wouldn't rule it out. Ravens had Urban as a 2nd rounder on their board last year and he dropped to the bottom of the 4th round. You would be surprised how high soke of the guys are on team's boards late in the draft.

that's not the same thing.