[News] Late For Work 7/22: NFL Front Office Executives Rank Joe Flacco

[berniemc2015]

Everyone has to say so much about Joe, but most of it is not bad but not good either. The only thing we Ravens fans would like from Joe is simple, Just win. no more no less. Look at the last pasat seven or more years and tell me please how many quarterbacks have a better record then Joe, not many. We got what we wanted a winner he did what we wanted him to do, win games and go to the playoffs, he may not be a so called Elite player to the world but to most Ravens fans he is a Elite player to us.

[Ravens4Real]

Nobody has won more than 1 SB since Flacco has been in the league, and I said Flacco was better than all of them in the postseason, and Aaron Rodgers does not have "WAYYY" better stats in the postseason than Joe. Joe has better postseason stats than anyone in the league since entering his prime. 24tds, 4ints since 2010. And judging qbs strictly by how many SBs they have won would mean Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino, so that shows how flawed that logic is. Flacco has consistently given his team a better chance to win the SB than anyone over the last 5 years. Even when he has lost, he has thrown perfect passes in clutch situations that were dropped, and last year he led his team to two 14 point leads. If someone drops a pass or if the secondary has 6 players out, that's out of his control, and it's one of the reasons why it's so ridiculous to say that he's need more help. That argument could have held up in his first 2 seasons, but not in the last 5.

Since this is a poll of who the best QB's are in the NFL right now, and not who has had more post season success since Joe Flacco has entered the league, I tend to agree with where he is ranked.

You are implying that just because Flacco hasn't been in the league as long as Ben/Brady/Manning, that we should throw out all of their early successes?

[RavensDieHard21]

I'd say overall flacco isn't a flashy statistics guy but he knows how to win games. I'd rank him anywhere between 4-6 and top 2-3 in the post season. I won't surprised if he ends his career with 3 rings and 16 or more playoff wins. If his receivers blossom early this year, oh man look out.

P.s. As much as I love ray and what he meant to this organization. Ed reed gets my vote. I think he was slightly better at his position than Ray was during their respective primes. And that is only by a hair

[stampedehero]

ESPN is such a joke with their rankings why even post them. How could anyone rate Russel Wilson higher than a tier 3 is mind boggling.

As we all know its all crap. ESPN stands for Extra Special Pessimistic Noise.

[stampedehero]

I don't know, I just feel like Russell fell into a perfect situation for him to succeeded.  He plays for a team that has a dominant defense, he has a beast for a running back that has is known to control the game, and he plays on a gimmick offense that is pretty much custom built for his skill level.

 

I have seen him throw too many passes that had no business being complete.  He floats these balls up that should be intercepted or knocked away, but because teams are so worried about him or Lynch running the ball the DB is completely out of place to make a play

 

Just watch the first Green Bay game and than the playoff game.  In the first game the Packers defense didn't stick to their receivers and they got burnt.  But in the playoff game the changed things around and got 4 interceptions and should have won that game.  Seattle's defense kept that in the game and despite the fact that Russell looked like garbage 75% of the game he got all the credit for that win.  

Good View.

[stampedehero]

Everyone has to say so much about Joe, but most of it is not bad but not good either. The only thing we Ravens fans would like from Joe is simple, Just win. no more no less. Look at the last pasat seven or more years and tell me please how many quarterbacks have a better record then Joe, not many. We got what we wanted a winner he did what we wanted him to do, win games and go to the playoffs, he may not be a so called Elite player to the world but to most Ravens fans he is a Elite player to us.

Yeah man.  "He gets the job done when needed the most."  All we need are playoff games and the stinkin Patriots out of the picture

[gekaap]

This assessment of Flacco is 100% accurate. Why can't Flacco fanatics see that the ONLY people in the world who think Flacco is hot stuff are the very people who are vested with extreme bias?

 

Ravens fans who say Flacco is an elite, or even a "great" QB, sound exactly like Panthers fans who praise Newton on high. That is, they sound like blathering fools.

Edited July 22, 2015 by gekaap

[bmoraven]

Joe is clutch and he wins. That's elite to me. Stats are one thing, but anyone who plays sports at a high level defines "Elite" as finding a way to win, no matter what. Joe's just entering his prime, and his regular season numbers will get better.

The Ray Lewis Ed Reed debate is tough, Lewis is the best LB of his generation and the heart of the Defense, and he possibly made Ed Reed Better. Ed Reed is the Best All around Raven Football player. They made each other the best. That's what was special about the Reed/Lewis relationship.

[cobrajet]

Will the Flacco QB rankings ever stop? I don't want him to air the ball out a lot. I like the West Coast short pass, spread the ball around, well balanced run/pass offense that controls the clock. That is not going to to set the world on fire on passing stats for any QB but it will equate to wins and wins are all that matter!

[Saxxin]

Big Ben who has NEVER won a playoff game without a top 5 D carries the team. And you want me to take this ranking seriously?

[bryangraham013@gmail.ocm]

if you ask me OC Cam Cameron is the one who screwed joe, how? having the WR run 9 routes including the slot all those long routes and that "my or the highway" with Joe we are starting to see the real Flacco. he has always been clutch even when having a trash game he'll come through 2min. left in the game need I mention those games were the defense couldn't hold the lead or let team drive 80 yards the Falcons 2010 i'll say this if Joe ever is on the open market let see how many GMs or VP of Operations clear cap space for him. Joe has never had a true 1WR just look at the teams who don't have good QB good luck with that GM the Browns

[RavensBaltimore]

Hmmmm....I keep looking all over to find a place that shows a QB's W/L record. Funny.....it doesn't exist!!

That's because you don't know about the secret search engine where you can find it, right at the top of the first page. It's called Yahoo.

 

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html

[RavensBaltimore]

Since this is a poll of who the best QB's are in the NFL right now, and not who has had more post season success since Joe Flacco has entered the league, I tend to agree with where he is ranked.

You are implying that just because Flacco hasn't been in the league as long as Ben/Brady/Manning, that we should throw out all of their early successes?

No, but how good they were more than 5 years ago has nothing to do with how good they are right now. Just because Flacco hasn't played in the league as long as some of the other ones doesn't mean he's not as good. If a player is still in his prime, I think what he has done in the past 5 years is a pretty good sample size to evaluate a player's current ability.

 

Ben/Brady/Manning have not played well enough to win the SB on an almost annual basis like Joe has. All 3 of them have been beyond awful in their last several postseason defeats. Flacco has played well enough to win 4 of the last 5 SBs, and he hasn't had a bad playoff game since 2009.(His stats were bad against Pitt in 2010, but he had some well thrown clutch passes that were dropped.) Joe has at least a 3-1 TD-INT ratio in his last 4 postseasons. That's as many as Ben/Brady/Manning have in their entire careers COMBINED.

[riseNConquer81]

“What continues to get overlooked is the supporting cast around Flacco,” wrote Hensley.

Flacco’s had four different coordinators in as many years, and he makes the transitions look easy. He’s helped coordinators become head coaches again. And Baltimore receivers are more regularly criticized than considered top-5 or even top-10 talent. It seems like a convenient time to credit them when arguing against Flacco. Last season, Flacco had the most passing yards lost (472) due to dropped passes by his receivers than any other NFL quarterback, according to Pro Football Focus.

The Super Bowl defense was ranked No. 17 – below average – in 2012. It didn’t carry Flacco.

“Baltimore's defense isn't as good as many believe based on the franchise's reputation. The Ravens allowed the most passing yards in team history in 2014," wrote Hensley.

“Unlike the two quarterbacks ranked ahead of him, Flacco doesn't benefit from a top-end receiver like Dez Bryant or a dominant defense like the one in Seattle.”

Hensley the voice of reason?

[manofsteel]

It is all business even with Pita. Pita should step down or retire to have the team with money from his salry to get better people. Pita is never coming back and he knows it along with the Ravens. Why keep ignoring the inevitable??

[gooftroop]

It is all business even with Pita. Pita should step down or retire to have the team with money from his salry to get better people. Pita is never coming back and he knows it along with the Ravens. Why keep ignoring the inevitable??

He's under contract so he's gonna get paid, anyway. Would you like him to donate the money to the "Let's get Better Player's Fund"? Do you know how much money is in the fund right now, due to the charitable instincts of other players? Zero.

Edited July 24, 2015 by gooftroop

[gooftroop]

My favorite Joe clutch throw.

[stuckonaboat13]

The criticism on Flacco is fair and ranking #10 is exactly where he belongs in my mind. The only questionable call is putting wilson ahead of him. Other than that the list and article are spot on. Anyone who thinks otherweise is a hometown homer.

[TXRavensFan]

The criticism on Flacco is fair and ranking #10 is exactly where he belongs in my mind. The only questionable call is putting wilson ahead of him. Other than that the list and article are spot on. Anyone who thinks otherweise is a hometown homer.

 

Eh, the "if you don't agree with me, you're a big fat homer" argument isn't exactly how it works...

 

Anywho, regardless of what you think of the rankings, I challenge you to re-read the criteria used to determine the tiers and explain how the description of Tier 1 is not a summary of Flacco's career (at least since 2010, acknowledging that he was more or less a caretaker in his first 2 years). Then explain to me how a QB that in his 10 year career has only thrown over 3,500 yards 5 times, played in all 16 games 4 times, hasn't won a playoff game since 2010, and has never won a playoff game without a top 5 defense is ranked ahead of him, let alone meets the criteria for Tier 1.

[ssgoku]

As a lover of football and a homer I agree with this article I mean there not saying he is a bad quarterback there just saying he is not a quarterback during the regular season that can carry a team.

[ssgoku]

The criticism on Flacco is fair and ranking #10 is exactly where he belongs in my mind. The only questionable call is putting wilson ahead of him. Other than that the list and article are spot on. Anyone who thinks otherweise is a hometown homer.

I couldnt agree more sir.

[concretejimmy]

Cam Cameron and Caldwell were coordinators? Must be a title, like QB. Joe is a football player. Just like Brady is a sissy. Belichick is a cheat. Don't get me started. Ray Lewis was a football player. Steve Smith is a football player. More football players Ozzie!

[concretejimmy]

As a lover of football and a homer I agree with this article I mean there not saying he is a bad quarterback there just saying he is not a quarterback during the regular season that can carry a team.

What do you call 2013? Ravens almost went to the playoffs. Probably would have if Joe didn't take a helmet to the knee. If that's not carrying an anemic offense then what is? Don't even tell me someone like Brady could have. I don't believe that for a second.