[News] Late For Work 7/22: NFL Front Office Executives Rank Joe Flacco

[January J]

To all the ppl that are saying Maxx is inconsistent or "hasn't shown much"... Let's just pump the breaks a bit. Training camp hasn't even started yet, matter fact I think the rookies report today. Let's see what the kid can do through camp and preseason. Pitta starting on the pup is no surprise to anyone- remember we prepared for this which is why we drafted 2 tight ends. I remember at the time a lot of ppl were wondering why we picked up nick Boyle and that we could have better used that pick with another position- well now it's looking like a pretty wise move. Yeah we could go out and pick up a veteran tight end, I'm just not so sure it's necessary. Yeah Crockett only has a year under his belt, but he got some valuable experience playing behind pitta and Daniels and then got some postseason experience as well. I think we are fine, we can Atleast see how things go through preseason- and hey who knows - maybe if pitta is coming along well we can pull him off the pup right before the season starts. And if not he will still give a boost to our offense come week 7 and he will be fresh and ready to go.

[Drew P]

Russel is a better than average QB... He is a perfect balance of a pocket passer and scrabbling... He buys time to pass rather than run..but isn't afraid to pick up yards on the ground... He has been consistent without a great supporting cast of WR's... 3 playoff appearances with back to back Super Bowl appearances... Lets be honest we would be more than happy with that if he was the future of the Franchise... Flacco has never been consistent but what he has over Wilson is his big arm... And ability to take his play to another level... He beat both legendary QB's to win his super bowl.. Wilson split with the pair..plus Wilson benefits from a stiffling Defense... Our defense has let us down this past season.. But this year we should be evenly balance.. The defense should be top notch because the offense should put up points.. Making other teams play from behind..

Not enough playing time he hasnt played the entire league yet. That division has been QB challenged so they basically secure home field throughout without being road tested in the playoffs. Road playoff wins is where the line of demarcation for tier 1 versus the tier 2 QB's is.

[rmcjacket23]

Well, you can argue that statistics are also a product of team. No RB can run without blockers in front of him. No QB can complete passes without a line protecting him and a receiver catching the ball. No receiver can catch a pass without a QB throwing it to him. 

 

So, both statistics and winning can be used to support a players value and both can be discredited if you want to argue about the player's circumstances. 

Correct, hence why there is differences in statistical production just as easily as there are differences in W/L record.

 

Hence, why the players in tier 1, by most accounts, consistently do both. Aaron Rodgers consistently puts up great statistics, and when he's on the field, his team consistently wins football games. Same for guys like Brady, Manning, etc.

 

The aspect holding Joe outside of the "tier 1" of QBs is that great statistical production, just like the things holding guys like Romo and Ryan (who have the statistical production) out of the "tier 1" of QBs is likely the W/L record and/or lack of postseason success.

 

Tier 1 QBs have both the pretty consistent great statistical production, along with the consistent on-field success of their teams. They pretty much clearly outlined the rationale for their choices, and I have no issue with them, just like they clearly outlined their rationale for Joe being in tier 2, and again, I have no issue with it.

 

I understand the desire to explain the lack of great statistical production from Joe via any method you choose, with the most prevalent likely being the lack of a consistent OC and/or lack of consistent high-end receivers. All valid points, except this isn't a poll that was taken to project QBs based on what they would do under optimal conditions. Its based on what they've actually done, not what they could have done if they had the same OC every year or if Calvin Johnson played for the Ravens.

[rmcjacket23]

Not enough playing time he hasnt played the entire league yet. That division has been QB challenged so they basically secure home field throughout without being road tested in the playoffs. Road playoff wins is where the line of demarcation for tier 1 versus the tier 2 QB's is.

No, the line between tier 1 QBs and tier 2 QBs is based on a combination of BOTH high quality statistical production and W/L record.

 

There's guys in tier 1 who aren't overly impressive in road playoff games based on their resume, so there's no chance that's the definitive measurement difference in this poll.  I just care that he is great in the playoffs.

 

Its kind of difficult to be considered great in home playoff games when you don't actually have many, just like its difficult for guys like Wilson to show how great they are on the road in the playoffs when they don't actually play any road games. You've got to earn that right, and the Seahawks have consistently done that lately and the Ravens simply haven't.

[DB1974]

Statistically? Yes, pretty much both times.

 

From a win/loss perspective, no. For me, wins and losses are a product of a TEAM, not an individual.

This is true however a QB can also cost you games with bad play ie Kyle Boller at this point Joe Flacco really has nothing to prove he has served the Ravens franchise very well to say the least.

Edited July 22, 2015 by DB1974

[rmcjacket23]

This is true however a QB can also cost you games with bad play ie Kyle Boller at this point Joe Flacco really has nothing to prove he has served the Ravens franchise very well to say the least.

For the most part, yes. I'd argue no single play or player can ever cost a team a football game, but if we're going to assume that they can, then it also applies to every single other player on the team.

 

A dropped pass in the endzone that should have been caught, in theory, can cost a team a trip to the SB. A botched FG on what amounts to a chip shot by NFL standards, in theory, can cost a team a trip to the SB.

 

Doesn't apply to just QBs.

[roamingcharges]

I don't have as much problems with the ratings as I have with the NFL executives that are talking about Flacco. How can you say Flacco is a product of the success of Torrey Smith? Torrey 'Freakin' Smith?!! I would have thought we were talking about a surefire Hall of Famer. Okay since it's time to be silly here we go:

 

• Tom Brady is a fraud-- he has ridden the coattails of Gronk (the best or second best TE in the league his entire career), Randy Moss (undoubted future HOFer), Corey Dillon, Wes Welker (multiple times Pro Bowler... arguably the best slot receiver in the league when he was in his prime), Deion Branch (Superbowl MVP)...

 

• Peyton Manning is overrated-- He couldn't do it without Marvin Harrison (future HOFer), Reggie Wayne (Future HOFer), Demaryius Thomas ($70 Million receiver, and multi-Probowl player), Dallas Clark (multiple Probowl invitations), Emmanuel Sanders (ProBowl receiver)...

 

• Drew Brees is a short guy that only stands tall because of his big targets-- Marques Colston (several ProBowl invitations), Darren Sproles (ProBowl player), Jimmy Graham (see Gronk), Reggie Bush (2nd Overall pick and ProBowl returner, dynamic runner and pass catcher)...

 

• Andrew Luck is okay but extremely overrated-- Reggie Wayne (again), T.Y. Hilton (ProBowl receiver), Coby Fleener (high draft pick a la Torrey Smith), Trent Richardson (Top 3 Overall Pick in NFL Draft - lol)...

 

I can do this all day... who else wants in? C'mon guys stop being silly!!!

Edited July 22, 2015 by roamingcharges

[DB1974]

Joe Flacco will never get great praise from people outside of the Ravens org IMO he will be more appreciated when he is no longer playing then he is now. The Ravens spent 12 years looking for Joe Flacco and when he is gone it will not be easy to replace him. Every year 20 of the 32 teams in the league are looking for a QB the Ravens used to be one of those teams. NFL QB is one of if not the hardest positions to draft, scout , and evaluate in all of sports and be correct about your guess.

Edited July 22, 2015 by DB1974

[sami]

there is NO WAY Tony Romo is a better QB than Flacco. I wouldn't even have Romo in the 2nd tier. That fool couldn't even clean Flaccos cleats. If Brady, Luck and Manning would have had to play in the AFC North for 8 years their stats wouldn't be very "consistent" either.

[budman]

Statistically? Yes, pretty much both times.

 

From a win/loss perspective, no. For me, wins and losses are a product of a TEAM, not an individual.

I agree. Wins / Losses are the only perspective that matters to a "team". We definitely belong to a Team first community.

[rmcjacket23]

I don't have as much problems with the ratings as I have with the NFL executives that are talking about Flacco. How can you say Flacco is a product of the success of Torrey Smith? Torrey 'Freakin' Smith?!! I would have thought we were talking about a surefire Hall of Famer. Okay since it's time to be silly here we go:

 

• Tom Brady is a fraud-- he has ridden the coattails of Gronk (the best or second best TE in the league his entire career), Randy Moss (undoubted future HOFer), Corey Dillon, Wes Welker (multiple times Pro Bowler... arguably the best slot receiver in the league when he was in his prime), Deion Branch (Superbowl MVP)...

 

• Peyton Manning is overrated-- He couldn't do it without Marvin Harrison (future HOFer), Reggie Wayne (Future HOFer), Demaryius Thomas ($70 Million receiver, and multi-Probowl player), Dallas Clark (multiple Probowl invitations), Emmanuel Sanders (ProBowl receiver)...

 

• Drew Brees is a short guy that only stands tall because of his big targets-- Marques Colston (several ProBowl invitations), Darren Sproles (ProBowl player), Jimmy Graham (see Gronk), Reggie Bush (2nd Overall pick and ProBowl returner, dynamic runner and pass catcher)...

 

• Andrew Luck is okay but extremely overrated-- Reggie Wayne (again), T.Y. Hilton (ProBowl receiver), Coby Fleener (high draft pick a la Torrey Smith), Trent Richardson (Top 3 Overall Pick in NFL Draft - lol)...

 

I can do this all day... who else wants in? C'mon guys stop being silly!!!

I could probably easily tear this apart, especially the parts where you are referencing players who are high draft picks but never actually played like a high draft pick (see Trent Richardson... did you actually think that was good for your argument?), and the parts where you're referencing Pro-Bowl players who weren't even close to Pro-Bowl players with other QBs, but the reality is, you're arguing something that is literally impossible to argue and impossible to prove.

 

You're essentially making the case that WRs make QBs, something that has been argued since the beginning of time and has never once actually been definitively proven or disproven, nor has the other side of the argument. Is Joe Montana a great QB without Jerry Rice? Don't know, can't possibly know.

 

The reality is its probably somewhere in between. Are Dallas Clark and Emmanuel Sanders Pro-Bowl level players without Peyton Manning throwing passes to them? Hard to tell, but probably not. Is Wes Welker a Pro-Bowl player without catching passes from Brady and Manning? Hard to tell, but probably not. Is Reggie Bush a Pro-Bowl player without Drew Brees?

[EwholoJeroro]

"Flacco landed firmly at No. 10, putting him behind six Tier 1 quarterbacks that %u201Ccan carry their teams week after week and contend for championships without as much help.%u201D Those six were 1T) Aaron Rogers, 1T) Tom Brady, 3) Andrew Luck,...."

I pretty much stopped reading one Andrew Luck was ranked ahead of Flacco. What the heck? has he won???

[Moderator 3]

I beg to differ. Even though the Ravens won the game last Nov, Flacco's numbers are not even close to Brees'.

Granted Flacco got the win, but to answer your question Brees definitely out-battled Joe in the loss.

Flacco: 18/24, 243 yds, 1 TD

Brees:  35/45,  420 yds, 3 TDs, 1 Int.

I think that only proves that Brees throws more passes. Their completion percentages were very close and Flacco did not throw an INT.

[roamingcharges]

I could probably easily tear this apart, especially the parts where you are referencing players who are high draft picks but never actually played like a high draft pick (see Trent Richardson... did you actually think that was good for your argument?), and the parts where you're referencing Pro-Bowl players who weren't even close to Pro-Bowl players with other QBs, but the reality is, you're arguing something that is literally impossible to argue and impossible to prove.

 

You're essentially making the case that WRs make QBs, something that has been argued since the beginning of time and has never once actually been definitively proven or disproven, nor has the other side of the argument. Is Joe Montana a great QB without Jerry Rice? Don't know, can't possibly know.

 

The reality is its probably somewhere in between. Are Dallas Clark and Emmanuel Sanders Pro-Bowl level players without Peyton Manning throwing passes to them? Hard to tell, but probably not. Is Wes Welker a Pro-Bowl player without catching passes from Brady and Manning? Hard to tell, but probably not. Is Reggie Bush a Pro-Bowl player without Drew Brees?

 

You couldn't tear it apart logically if you tried the hardest you can. Reason: If you can calm down and read and actually internalize what you read you'd realize that I was toeing the line of the silly GMs that were discrediting Flacco based on the cast around him to show how obtuse that argument is. Calm down and read again.

[Halshayeji]

I could probably easily tear this apart, especially the parts where you are referencing players who are high draft picks but never actually played like a high draft pick (see Trent Richardson... did you actually think that was good for your argument?), and the parts where you're referencing Pro-Bowl players who weren't even close to Pro-Bowl players with other QBs, but the reality is, you're arguing something that is literally impossible to argue and impossible to prove.

You're essentially making the case that WRs make QBs, something that has been argued since the beginning of time and has never once actually been definitively proven or disproven, nor has the other side of the argument. Is Joe Montana a great QB without Jerry Rice? Don't know, can't possibly know.

The reality is its probably somewhere in between. Are Dallas Clark and Emmanuel Sanders Pro-Bowl level players without Peyton Manning throwing passes to them? Hard to tell, but probably not. Is Wes Welker a Pro-Bowl player without catching passes from Brady and Manning? Hard to tell, but probably not. Is Reggie Bush a Pro-Bowl player without Drew Brees?

I don't usually agree with your point of view but this time I have to admit that you are 100percent correct

I thought no those rankings are prity much fair and Flacco can move up those ranks this year

[BMORE = BEASTING]

I beg to differ. Even though the Ravens won the game last Nov, Flacco's numbers are not even close to Brees'.

Granted Flacco got the win, but to answer your question Brees definitely out-battled Joe in the loss.

Flacco: 18/24, 243 yds, 1 TD

Brees:  35/45,  420 yds, 3 TDs, 1 Int.

 Thanks for the stats, just goes to show unless it's fantasy football 400+ yards doesn't really win the game.  I am aware that Brees' yards and TD stats are high.  I rather have Joe who's a team player and knows that yards and TDs don't matter just the score on the board.  

[redrum52]

I am 99% convinced that, without that 3rd and 13 catch by Pitta, the Ravens are not Super Bowl Champions in 2012.

 

Before that play, I was thinking ... if we punt from the 3, this game is likely over. One first down by the Broncos from there and Prater ends it. Instead, even though we didn't score on that drive, we gave ourselves some field to work with and put the Broncos on their side of the field. Manning throws the pick, Yanda bulldozes Ray Rice 5 yards forward on a run and Tucker ends it.

 

Yes, I know it wasn't the Super Bowl, but from an excitement standpoint, that was absolutely the best game in Ravens history.

Was saying the same thing and then that play happened.  Great throw and catch.

[rmcjacket23]

 Thanks for the stats, just goes to show unless it's fantasy football 400+ yards doesn't really win the game.  I am aware that Brees' yards and TD stats are high.  I rather have Joe who's a team player and knows that yards and TDs don't matter just the score on the board.

That's true, but lets not pretend like they don't all correlate positively to each other.

 

The goal of football is to score more points than the other. This can be done by either scoring a bunch of points, or not allowing a bunch of points, or a combination of the two.

 

When a QB who throws 50 TD passes, by definition, his team is scoring 50 TDs. That means, on average, from just their QBs TDs alone, they're putting up 21+ points a week during a season. In any possible scenario, that's a very, very, very good thing for an NFL team.

 

Similarly, most of the time, in order to score TDs, you have to move the ball in some form or fashion. Typically, that means moving the football down the field from your side of the field into their end zone, which is generally done through a combination of passing yardage, rushing yardage, and/or penalty yardage.

 

Therefore, QBs who throw for higher yardage, generally speaking, throw for more TDs, and teams that score more TDs, generally speaking, do better on the scoreboard.

 

Exceptions to the rule exist, and scoring points is only half of the equation. But I can guarantee you that one of the primary goals of every single QB who has ever played this game is to throw a very large number of TD passes, because it basically benefits literally everybody.

[steelcityraven]

1. Tom Brady

2. Aaron Rodgers

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

This is tier 1 (Most of that top 4 can be interchangeable but all four can carry their teams to victory week in and week out) All four are their offense

Tier 2

5. Andrew Luck (he may be ready to step up to tier 1)

6 Ben Rothlisberger

7. Russell Wilson

8. Phillip Rivers

9. Joe Flacco

(All can win games for you but all have the potential to lose a game for their team as well). (Andrew Luck may be ready to take the step up into tier 1)?

Tier 3.

10. Matt Ryan

10t Eli Manning

11. Tony Romo

12. Cam Newton

13. Jay Cutler

14. Alex SMith

15. Matt Stafford

Tier 3 (they can all win and lead / have all the tools but haven't found the consistency that the top guys have)

15T Ryan Tannehill (curious to see how he performs this year with some weapons)

16. Teddy Bridgewater (maybe too early to say)

17. Sam Bradford

18. Nic Folwles

19. Colin Kapernick (with all of his ability and weapons more is expected)

20. RG3

21. Andy Dalton (same as Kapernick)

These guys have had weapons and can make plays but seem to not be able to stay healthy or not be able to limit mistakes enough to win and win consistently. Everyone from 15-21 has some job security but a bad season could leave most of them in doubt)

Final Tier (either too early to say or too inconsistent due to injuries etc)

22. Carr

23. Blake Bortles

24. Marcus Mariotta

25. Jamis WInston

26. Ryan Mallet

27. Johnny Manziel

28. EJ Manuel

Just too early to tell on these guys but they are on the clock! Some will have more opportunity then others but all are big investments and expectations are high / they need to perform.

[berad]

He was applying similarly silly logic to other top-tier QBs to point out the fallacies in such an approach. Not trolling....

[The Greek]

so tired of the flacco debate. his stats and playoff record speaks for itself

[edreed2o]

What those executives fail to mention is joe flaccos recievers. Joe has never had a number one receiver. And that 2012 was not an anomoly. Joe has done this nearly every post season. If lee evans catches that pass, we would have two super bowls. Joe doesnt have a megatron or antonio Brown or DT. He works with was he has.

[ravens4life86]

Flacco has always been slighted by national media and NFL "so called Experts" I think Charlie Casserley said it best yesterday on CSN why Flacco is veiwed the way he is. One) He is inconsistent in the regular season, but a Money player in the playoffs, Two Hes never been the true focal point of the offense, because hes always had a running game and some assemblance of a D. Compared to a Ryan,Luck, Etc.. However the media and Pundits dont really have much to say about the Flacco has never had Julio Jones/Roddy White type WRs.

The media is too in love with fantasy Football, unless your name is CHEATER BRADY or Russell Wilson and you win by great DEFENSE. Then its all because your a great QB, but when it comes to Flacco he doesnt get that benefit

[rmcjacket23]

Flacco has always been slighted by national media and NFL "so called Experts" I think Charlie Casserley said it best yesterday on CSN why Flacco is veiwed the way he is. One) He is inconsistent in the regular season, but a Money player in the playoffs, Two Hes never been the true focal point of the offense, because hes always had a running game and some assemblance of a D. Compared to a Ryan,Luck, Etc.. However the media and Pundits dont really have much to say about the Flacco has never had Julio Jones/Roddy White type WRs.

The media is too in love with fantasy Football, unless your name is CHEATER BRADY or Russell Wilson and you win by great DEFENSE. Then its all because your a great QB, but when it comes to Flacco he doesnt get that benefit

I wouldn't say its the media's love with fantasy football, mostly because its fans that are playing fantasy football.

 

It has more to do with the fact that the media understands that there's more to playing QB than just winning games, and that there are certain fanbases of certain QBs (this one included) who for some reason believe that winning games is the only responsibility and stat that matters for QBs.

 

We sort of already know that the NFL and its franchises don't really buy into that notion, because otherwise, there would be no excuse for why Tim Tebow isn't a starting QB in this league, amongst others.

 

At the end of the day, what I learned long ago was that fanbases of a certain QB will adopt whatever narrative best fits their argument for why their QB is great. If you're a Peyton Manning fan (excluding the fact that he's a proven winner), you point to his incredible statistical production and dominance over the last 10-15 years. When you're a Joe Flacco/Eli Manning fan, you point to how incredibly good your QB is in the postseason, despite the lack of truly great regular season production.

 

Its just a matter of spinning the narrative to whatever argument is most beneficial for your QB. If we had Drew Brees on this team, and his stats/success was the exact same, I guarantee the overwhelming majority of this fanbase would be referencing his greatness in terms of statistical production, including his record breaking seasons.

[stevenap]

I've got a qb ranking for you, which quarterback would you least like to face in January? NOBODY wants to draw the ravens in the playoffs, and Joe has everything to do with that.

[Minionhunter]

Correct, hence why there is differences in statistical production just as easily as there are differences in W/L record.

 

Hence, why the players in tier 1, by most accounts, consistently do both. Aaron Rodgers consistently puts up great statistics, and when he's on the field, his team consistently wins football games. Same for guys like Brady, Manning, etc.

 

The aspect holding Joe outside of the "tier 1" of QBs is that great statistical production, just like the things holding guys like Romo and Ryan (who have the statistical production) out of the "tier 1" of QBs is likely the W/L record and/or lack of postseason success.

 

Tier 1 QBs have both the pretty consistent great statistical production, along with the consistent on-field success of their teams. They pretty much clearly outlined the rationale for their choices, and I have no issue with them, just like they clearly outlined their rationale for Joe being in tier 2, and again, I have no issue with it.

 

I understand the desire to explain the lack of great statistical production from Joe via any method you choose, with the most prevalent likely being the lack of a consistent OC and/or lack of consistent high-end receivers. All valid points, except this isn't a poll that was taken to project QBs based on what they would do under optimal conditions. Its based on what they've actually done, not what they could have done if they had the same OC every year or if Calvin Johnson played for the Ravens.

The only thing I would argue is that they included "needs help" in the definition, so if you are deprived of weapons you need help but are surrounded by pro bowl receivers you are great. There is subjective interpretation by the evaluators. For Joe it kind of works out by real Quarterback Rating but for others it did not like Romo (real QBR was number 2 last year).

[Minionhunter]

What those executives fail to mention is joe flaccos recievera. Joe has never had a number one receiver. And that 2012 was not an anomoly. Joe has done this nearly every post season. If lee evans catches that pass, we would have two super bowls. Joe doesnt have a megatron or antonio Brown or DT. He works with was he has.

Or if Boldin or TJ either catch one, it could have been three and the steelers fake win (only one foot down in the SB) could have been prevented.

[RavensBaltimore]

People just flat out make stuff up to discredit Flacco. Not one of the "top tier" qbs has ever carried his team with less help than Flacco. And when Flacco puts up better postseason numbers than all of them, they credit his receivers????? As far as that goes, he's done more with less help than all the "top tier" qbs. Would any of those execs take Torrey Smith over Moss, Gronk, Antonio Brown, Jimmy Smith, Wayne, Harrison, or Thomas? No. The Ravens have invested far less in their receiving corps than any of those teams with a "top tier" qb, yet Flacco has been better than all of them when it counts the most, and he has won more than any of them since he's been in the league, with and without a great defense.

[rmcjacket23]

The only thing I would argue is that they included "needs help" in the definition, so if you are deprived of weapons you need help but are surrounded by pro bowl receivers you are great. There is subjective interpretation by the evaluators. For Joe it kind of works out by real Quarterback Rating but for others it did not like Romo (real QBR was number 2 last year).

True, but "needs help" may not necessarily reflect receivers to throw to either.

 

For example... the one season where Joe had below average weapons, a terrible running game and an overall poor offensive line, he threw more INTs than TDs, and 10 more INTs than he ever had in his career in a single season.

 

Granted, no QB would have ideal statistics in such an environment, but we've seen some great QBs in this league who have put up gawdy numbers (and even made the playoffs) with a poor running game/OL and a mediocre or worse defense. You could argue Aaron Rodgers has been dealing with that for the last 4-5 years or so prior to last season, when they brought Lacy in.

 

Beyond that, we get back to the impossible to prove argument of whether being "surrounded by Pro-Bowl receivers" is a product of the QB himself or the receivers. Maybe there are Pro-Bowl receivers simply because that QB makes them into one.

 

I have no idea whether or not a Jordy Nelson or a Randall Cobb would be any good on other teams with far less talented QBs. I have a general belief that super talented receivers (like a Calvin Johnson type) will play well anywhere with anybody, but there's plenty of Pro-Bowl receivers who I personally don't think that's the case for, and some of them play on teams with elite statistical QBs.

[rmcjacket23]

People just flat out make stuff up to discredit Flacco. Not one of the "top tier" qbs has ever carried his team with less help than Flacco. And when Flacco puts up better postseason numbers than all of them, they credit his receivers????? As far as that goes, he's done more with less help than all the "top tier" qbs. Would any of those execs take Torrey Smith over Moss, Gronk, Antonio Brown, Jimmy Smith, Wayne, Harrison, or Thomas? No. The Ravens have invested far less in their receiving corps than any of those teams with a "top tier" qb, yet Flacco has been better than all of them when it counts the most, and he has won more than any of them since he's been in the league, with and without a great defense.

But again, that's an explanation/excuse, not a valid reason for a ranking. You're explaining why Joe isn't ranked as high, but it doesn't matter, because no intelligent person is going to put together a QB ranking based on a purely "what if" scenario that involves allowing every QB in the league to play with precisely the exact same WRs as every other QB.

 

You can't just say "well because the Ravens haven't given Joe elite WRs to throw to, I'm going to rank him above the guys who are statistically better and have essentially won just as much or close to it". If you're going to rank QBs that way, then just skip right to the end and rank every single QB based on W/L record.

 

You could do that, of course, but for me its just incredibly short-sighted, because there's just far too much more incorporated into QB play than what the scoreboard says at the end of the game.