[News] Late For Work 7/17: Refreshing Not To Hear This Joe Flacco Critique All Summer

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Houston contract highlights Dumervil bargain. Schaub ranked No. 24. Can Perriman be Demaryius-type WR?

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[RavensInNC]

Article wasn't showing up for me on the main page, I had to access it via the forums. Main page was just showing a blank image with no links.

 

I like quiet off-season news...no drama...no injuries, just let the guys do what they do and get ready for the season ahead of them.

Edited July 17, 2015 by RavensInNC

[RavenManiac#7]

Perriman certainly has the potential to be a Thomas type receiver. But, this kind of speculation is just that, speculation. There is just So little to go on with first round receivers. Some have excelled. Some have done ok. And some have flopped. We know about the latter group in Baltimore. I hope Perriman is the one who breaks the mold of first round receiver picks of the Ravens. I think that there is a strong possibility that he will. To me, he seems to have Much more talent than Mark Clayton and Travis Taylor. But, to speculate as to whether he will be the equal of one of the very best in the league, as his recently signed contract with the Broncos attests, is probably a lot to hope for. Certainly not impossible, given his physical attributes, but, still, a lot to hope for. I'm certainly rooting for it to happen, though. I'm definitely an early fan.

[FastEddie]

Good read. I don't really think the offseason QB camps ever really caught on when Peyton, and Mark Sanchez did them. Flacco stood tall and wasn't interested. I guess you can only practice routes and play catch for so long until its beating a dead horse.

 

It's going to be fun watching a top tier WR develop in our system. I think Perriman is going to bring something special we have't seen in a Ravens uni

[fusuymada]

Vinnie Cerrato of 105.7 the fan has been the main instigator of commentary on Joe not working out with receivers. Since he has chosen to give it a break this year, there is no commentary. You didn't hear people on ESPN, or NFL Network or any other media outlet complaining about Flacco. That was a solely a product of the Baltimore talk radio environment and all the morons who grab ahold of what a loser GM has to say when he cant buy a job in the NFL so he is an "expert" on the radio.

[Bat-mite]

It's funny how people look at things backwards. If Flacco sucked, and he had no chemistry with his receivers, then it would be prudent to look and see where he was falling short. If voluntary workouts proved to be the culprit, then so be it. But it's backwards.

If the guy has success, then that is all that matters. To me it would be like criticizing a bowler with a 290 average for not practicing as much as a guy who has a 260 average.

[stixfix69]

Joe is a seasoned vet, and he knows at this point in his career what he needs to do to be ready. I also think with all the reps he took during OTA's and mini camp, he probably left feeling good about his game, and timing with his WR's, and will then step it up in a few weeks when camp opens up.....

[berad]

Houston's a different player than Dumervil and asked to do different things, I don't like that equivalence from Zrebiec.

 

The Chiefs ask Houston to be on the field all game and he excels in pass-rushing, run defense, and coverage as well. Dumervil has an expanded specialist role where he is mainly asked to rush the passer - Upshaw subs in on running downs and technically 'starts' over Dumervil. Elvis in coverage was shaky, too.

 

Dumervil's deal for 17 sacks is still an awesome bargain and Houston's contract is astronomical but they're not related, imo.

 

edit - and for a 'Flashback Friday' here's a clip of Tyrod Taylor juking the newly-minted $101M man out of his shoes and scoring

 

Edited July 17, 2015 by berad

[stixfix69]

I don' think comparing Doom and Houston can really be compared, when Doom got his money times were different, and it will keep changing....The cap gets larger every year, and a lot of these mega deals now are really about the guaranteed money, because most players with these deals are asked to restructure, when the cap hit is ridiculous number.....JMO.....

[sami]

well, if the issue of Flacco not spending extra time with his receivers was dead, thanks for trying to revive it, Zrebiec. What would have refreshing to hear is YOU not bringing it up again.

[fusuymada]

I hate to comment twice on the same article but Sarah had such a good LFW today. What happens to Ravens who really produce and work themselves into a big payday? Is the question here, "Will Perriman be good enough to earn his way out of Baltimore?" Which brings up the next question, "Will the Ravens finally pay a receiver what he is worth in the open market?" I certainly hope for the next 5 years Perriman is sooooo good, we have to ask these questions.

[Darkraven23]

I think perriman is talented but in perspective he is more like torrey than Thomas a speedster who excells on crossing routes and getting behind corners but will not always be in the right position which probably wil change over time but i think of jeremy butler when i think of thomas there both big body and break away speed can handle press coverage

[ellicottraven]

Flacco is fine as he is. However, I don't see why it is a problem if he is criticized for not having throw sessions to improve his craft and build a rapport with his new receivers. The thing that must rile the fans up is the fact that these sessions cannot hurt on the flip side, but can definitely help on the bright side. Even if it doesn't help Flacco given his self confidence, it surely must help the receivers feel confident right?

[Crusader]

I have this strange feeling this team is going to great things this year and it will end up in San Francisco against of all the teams..... Dallas.

[sami]

Dallas? the only way Dallas will end up in San Fran is if the relocate. I look for Green Bay to be playing the Ravens in the next Super Bowl. ( GB will lose of course)

[Tru11]

houston is a complete olb in the prime of his career while Doom is pretty much a pass rush specialist.

also if i remember correctly the broncos still owned Doom some money at the time we signed him which kept his price tag down.

then their is the age difference as well.

 

i dont think you can compare them at all and then suggest Doom was a bargain.

 

Perriman can be an elite WR but he needs to work on his hands, route running and most important his concentration.

he has all the tools to become 1.

[Tenacious Faulker]

The debate over Flacco may be cooling a bit, but the Perriman dropping passes banter is off the charts. Can;t wait for the sesaosn to begin so we can put that debate rest one way or another. Also, not sure how Suggs and Dumervil ranked 3rd on anyone's list of pass rush duo. They're the best in the NFL witht he most combined sacks in 2014.

[Orphan456]

ESPN's "Mark" Clayton????? Hmmmmm

[PurpleReigning]

Absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing Flacco for not throwing to receivers outside of OTA's. If you think that it doesn't factor in to Torrey or Steve Smith having to slow down just half a step, or the ball being just a yard overthrown on those deep balls, then you don't understand timing. That's where the lack of practice shows up. His receivers almost always have to adjust to the ball when it's deep. And that's because they don't work together enough. You don't see that with Rogers, or Brady, or the other QB's nearly as much. When they get a step, it's a touchdown.

[FloridalovesRavens]

So many of these big contracts are redone after a couple years because of cap numbers. Either that or the player is released or traded.

[RavensFootballFan]

Why are we still talking about Houston's salary? With Dumervil involved? They are two different players, Dumervil is part time, Houston full time but get this, I would take a Dumervil/Upshaw combo any day over Houston. Let's compare, shall we? Houston played 1,033 snaps last year, got 22 sacks. Dumervil played 603 snaps, got 17 sacks. Houston got 5 more sacks but also played 430 more snaps. Let's average that out, shall we? Houston has 1033 snaps played with 22 sacks which is an average of a sack every 46.9 plays. Dumervil played 603 snaps and had 17 sacks which is a sack every 35.5 plays. Who would you rather have? A player who gets a sack every 35.5 plays or a player who gets a sack every 46.9 plays? Dumervil, on average, is way better than Houston when it comes to sacks and throw in Upshaw as part time to stop runs and we win games. That's why we made the playoffs and KC didn't. Team efforts, not individual, wins games. It's ridiculous comparing salaries when snap count differs widely.

Edited July 17, 2015 by RavensFootballFan

[RavensBlood2Bone5220]

I would love to see in the first game against the Broncos; first play of the game, Flacco goes play action and hits an 80 yard touchdown pass to a wide open Breshard Perriman as he burns the Broncos secondary. Perrriman makes a one handed catch just to shut up the "experts".

[PurpleReigning]

Folks hating on my comment about Flacco not working out with his receivers is hilarious. But I played ball a long time. It's the truth.

[mearzunkies]

Houston/Dumerville not even close to playing the same kind of ball so not worth the talk.

[mearzunkies]

Purp I have seen Brady, Manning all the greats miss a wide opened receiver multiple times a piece. NOW maybe it would benefit them for more but G, Flacco is just as good as the other top starting QB's in the game and he is a winner. That is the IT factor he is a winner!!

[January J]

Dallas? the only way Dallas will end up in San Fran is if the relocate. I look for Green Bay to be playing the Ravens in the next Super Bowl. ( GB will lose of course)

I got us playing the winner of Dallas @ Green Bay

[Hardhitters]

Drafting key offensive positions, having Smith Sr, the same good O-line and newly added OC of same style offense we had success with leads us to believe more production is to come. With those things in place as well as the new additions we don't foresee the offense going backwards, rather going forward. Which leads to less criticism, also our last game was (offensively) highly productive with the big bummer landing upon Torrey's shoulders more than Flacco's. Everyone is anticipating and even better year than last, besides the Pats cheated and kept us from squaring off against the Colts on the road to the bowl.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Hardhitters

[balfan23]

Dallas? the only way Dallas will end up in San Fran is if the relocate. I look for Green Bay to be playing the Ravens in the next Super Bowl. ( GB will lose of course)

For the past several years, when asked to predict who will be in the Super Bowl, I always say Ravens vs. Packers. I may as well say it again this year, because it might eventually happen. 

[Purple Dawg 96]

This will be Joe "Iron Man" Flacco best season as a Raven! Get ready ladies and gentlemen

[RavensBaltimore]

Absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing Flacco for not throwing to receivers outside of OTA's. If you think that it doesn't factor in to Torrey or Steve Smith having to slow down just half a step, or the ball being just a yard overthrown on those deep balls, then you don't understand timing. That's where the lack of practice shows up. His receivers almost always have to adjust to the ball when it's deep. And that's because they don't work together enough. You don't see that with Rogers, or Brady, or the other QB's nearly as much. When they get a step, it's a touchdown.

Wrong. Tom Brady completed 3 of 16 passes that traveled over 30 yds in the air last year, and only 25% of the passes that traveled over 20 yds. The previous year, when the Pats got eliminated in the AFC championship game, Brady had a receiver on two different plays that got wide open, all by himself, behind the defense, and Brady badly missed both times. Saying Brady doesn't miss on deep throws as much is a complete joke. Brady is one of the worst deep ball throwers in the league, and Flacco is one of the best. Also, Brady has had no chemistry with his receivers at the beginning of each of the last 2 seasons. They haven't been hitting their stride until several weeks into the season, so if playing catch in April has helped, it certainly hasn't shown once the games that count start.

 

You don't seem to understand the fact that every qb misses on most of his deep attempts, and a receiver having to slow down a half step doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad throw. There isn't a qb on the planet that can place the ball perfectly on most of his bombs downfield, without the receiver having to even make a slight adjustment. The fact that you would have to reach that far for a criticism shows that there isn't any valid argument to be made that not getting together on a high school field somewhere has held the offense back.

 

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