is Suggs HOF material

[TDubbs]

if richard seymour doesn't make the hall of fame suggs has no shot..we'll see soon enough.

 

Why do you say that? Suggs stats dwarf Richards, and if your just looking at the player in general you'd take Suggs all day long. 

 

Seymour = 57.5 sacks, 4 FF and 496 comb tackles

Suggs = 106.5 sacks, 27 FF and 729 comb tackles 

[Sami84]

Why do you say that? Suggs stats dwarf Richards, and if your just looking at the player in general you'd take Suggs all day long. 

 

Seymour = 57.5 sacks, 4 FF and 496 comb tackles

Suggs = 106.5 sacks, 27 FF and 729 comb tackles 

 

Seymour would be in Canty's position..a DT/DE.

 

OLB/DE's get more sacks..seymour played DT a lot!

[beanfigger]

I'd be upset if he didn't get in. Suggs is better than Strahan, in my opinion, so he should go in. He is much more than a sack guy, far from what you would consider to be a sack specialist, and yet he still hit triple digits in that stat. DPOY and a ring, with hopefully another to come. Jacket comes next.

[usmccharles]

I think he is close. He has the credentials. The DPOY, multiple all star pro..the tackles and sacks. I think what Sizzle really needs is that 'HOF play' that every NFL fan remembers.

A play that makes people go 'wow that was ridiculous...'

Maybe the INT play that Suggs made with his feet last season might be one?... but some people might think that was a fluke.

The play i think of is when Suggs jumped big Bens screen pass, I thought that was amazing. I'll see if I can find the link hard on my phone

[Gordo52]

The play i think of is when Suggs jumped big Bens screen pass, I thought that was amazing. I'll see if I can find the link hard on my phone

Yup. That's my moment for Suggs as well.

Believe it was in his DPOY, 2011..... Man did he own Ben that year. His performance vs the 49ers on thanksgiving is also mentionable.

[Tenacious Faulker]

100 sacks doesn't mean HOF at all, Elvis is about 6 sacks away from 100 and we can all agree that he's probably not going to Canton. Suggs is borderline material, he might get in way in the future.

Dumervil not a HOF consideration?  ORLY??  He has as good of a shot as Suggs does and Suggs is a lock even if not first ballot.

 

Dume has 10 less sacks than Suggs but came into the league 3 years after him and being just a year younger.  He has 4 Pro Bowls, 2 first team All Pros, NFL Pass Rusher of the Year, Sack leader 2009, and had 17 sacks last year with an eye on th record this year.  He's on par to at least match Suggs' career production so you can't include one in the HOF without the other.  

 

It also needs to be said they that they each have a quite a few seasons of football left in the tank.  I could see either/both playing until 35-36.  Neither has shown signs of slowing down even after major injuries (Suggs-AchilliesDume-Pectoralis).  No way there's any serious consideration as to how they DON'T make it - only pewwrhaps as to WHEN...if they don't start slapping women around.

 

Are they Lawrence Taylor?  No, not yet.  But their production to this point is close enough.  If Suggs managed just 7 sacks for the next 4 years (he's averaged 9) he'd have 2 more career sacks than LT.  If Dume averages just 8 for the next 5 years (he averages 10 to date) he'd have 2 less than LT.  If they do better than 10 sacks in any given year they'll likely get selected to Pro Bowls and could realistically each still see up to 8 or so in their careers.  REMEMBER:  Pro Bowl and HOF selections are largely popularity driven contests as much as being stat driven.  In a sack driven league, they'll garner enough respect and good will to gain both.

 

I just can't believe there is any real doubt on this topic.

[beasy2487]

Dumervil not a HOF consideration? ORLY?? He has as good of a shot as Suggs does and Suggs is a lock even if not first ballot.

Dume has 10 less sacks than Suggs but came into the league 3 years after him and being just a year younger. He has 4 Pro Bowls, 2 first team All Pros, NFL Pass Rusher of the Year, Sack leader 2009, and had 17 sacks last year with an eye on th record this year. He's on par to at least match Suggs' career production so you can't include one in the HOF without the other.

It also needs to be said they that they each have a quite a few seasons of football left in the tank. I could see either/both playing until 35-36. Neither has shown signs of slowing down even after major injuries (Suggs-AchilliesDume-Pectoralis). No way there's any serious consideration as to how they DON'T make it - only pewwrhaps as to WHEN...if they don't start slapping women around.

Are they Lawrence Taylor? No, not yet. But their production to this point is close enough. If Suggs managed just 7 sacks for the next 4 years (he's averaged 9) he'd have 2 more career sacks than LT. If Dume averages just 8 for the next 5 years (he averages 10 to date) he'd have 2 less than LT. If they do better than 10 sacks in any given year they'll likely get selected to Pro Bowls and could realistically each still see up to 8 or so in their careers. REMEMBER: Pro Bowl and HOF selections are largely popularity driven contests as much as being stat driven. In a sack driven league, they'll garner enough respect and good will to gain both.

I just can't believe there is any real doubt on this topic.

Doom has as good of a shot at the HOF as Suggs? Doom needs another monster sack season AND a ring to even be in the discussion. Coming to Baltimore definitely rejuvenated his career, but let's not forget why he was available in the first place. Not many future Hall of Famers are asked to take pay cuts in the middle of their primes. Doom is a one-dimensional player in the perfect situation for his one dimension. He will need a to do a lot more, and outside of the sack category, to be considered HOF eligible.

[1/28/01]

Doom has as good of a shot at the HOF as Suggs? Doom needs another monster sack season AND a ring to even be in the discussion. Coming to Baltimore definitely rejuvenated his career, but let's not forget why he was available in the first place. Not many future Hall of Famers are asked to take pay cuts in the middle of their primes. Doom is a one-dimensional player in the perfect situation for his one dimension. He will need a to do a lot more, and outside of the sack category, to be considered HOF eligible.

Agreed. Not even close to Suggs really.

[izvoodoo]

The tragedy about suggs is he's so phenomonal at run defense which I don't think gets a lot of consideration in NFL consideration.

[beasy2487]

The tragedy about suggs is he's so phenomonal at run defense which I don't think gets a lot of consideration in NFL consideration.

 

Yea I think it could be a gift or a curse for Suggs. While he's been playing, surely he's been overlooked because he's "only" a "very good" pass rusher, but an outstanding run defender. However, if this is true how did he win DPOY with 14 sacks when JPP has 16.5 and Allen had a whopping 22? I think they saw one guy with a couple a tools (Allen) and another with a complete set (Suggs) and went with the better football player. To me, that was the turning point at least in the eyes of the media. I think Sizzle is seen as a complete player and we, as a fanbase, maybe hold onto a little bit of the inferiority complex we had about Sizz before he won that award. Since 2011 though, I think Suggs has been well respected as an absolute monster and a football player's football player. Give it a year and I think we're making friendly...estimates about what ballot he goes in on, not whether or not he makes it.

Edited July 21, 2015 by beasy2487

[beasy2487]

Agreed. Not even close to Suggs really.

 

Yea...tells me we need to worry less about Suggs being underrated in the media and more about him being underrated in our own fanbase lol.

[BmoreBird22]

One word - Absolutely! If Jerome Bettis can get inducted into the HOF just based on hype, Suggs definitely has better credentials imho. He is perhaps the most complete outside LBer in the entire league and has been for a few years now.

Well, Bettis is sixth overall in total rushing yardage and would have been in the top 5 at number four if he had been healthy for his final years in the league. I think it'd be a stretch for him to have been at number three, but it would have been possible, but again, injuries. And given how he was pumping out touchdowns, I don't think it's inconceivable for him to have been in the top 5 for rushing touchdowns (he'd have needed 15 more), but being at 10 isn't terrible. Basically, Bettis is probably pretty deserving on stats alone, but being a Super Bowl champ, Comeback Player of the Year winner, and Offensive Rookie of the Year just iced it.

 

Anyway, as far as Suggs goes, I think he needs another strong year or two, but he's certainly the best all around OLB and he's got a really strong chance.

[BmoreBird22]

Dumervil not a HOF consideration?  ORLY??  He has as good of a shot as Suggs does and Suggs is a lock even if not first ballot.

 

Dume has 10 less sacks than Suggs but came into the league 3 years after him and being just a year younger.  He has 4 Pro Bowls, 2 first team All Pros, NFL Pass Rusher of the Year, Sack leader 2009, and had 17 sacks last year with an eye on th record this year.  He's on par to at least match Suggs' career production so you can't include one in the HOF without the other.  

 

It also needs to be said they that they each have a quite a few seasons of football left in the tank.  I could see either/both playing until 35-36.  Neither has shown signs of slowing down even after major injuries (Suggs-AchilliesDume-Pectoralis).  No way there's any serious consideration as to how they DON'T make it - only pewwrhaps as to WHEN...if they don't start slapping women around.

 

Are they Lawrence Taylor?  No, not yet.  But their production to this point is close enough.  If Suggs managed just 7 sacks for the next 4 years (he's averaged 9) he'd have 2 more career sacks than LT.  If Dume averages just 8 for the next 5 years (he averages 10 to date) he'd have 2 less than LT.  If they do better than 10 sacks in any given year they'll likely get selected to Pro Bowls and could realistically each still see up to 8 or so in their careers.  REMEMBER:  Pro Bowl and HOF selections are largely popularity driven contests as much as being stat driven.  In a sack driven league, they'll garner enough respect and good will to gain both.

 

I just can't believe there is any real doubt on this topic.

LT played 4-3 OLB at a time when passing for 4,000 yards was considered huge, so using his sacks as a barometer really isn't going to further the cause of a 3-4 OLB in the most pass happy era of football ever...

[Tru11]

Dumervil not a HOF consideration?  ORLY??  He has as good of a shot as Suggs does and Suggs is a lock even if not first ballot.

 

Dume has 10 less sacks than Suggs but came into the league 3 years after him and being just a year younger.  He has 4 Pro Bowls, 2 first team All Pros, NFL Pass Rusher of the Year, Sack leader 2009, and had 17 sacks last year with an eye on th record this year.  He's on par to at least match Suggs' career production so you can't include one in the HOF without the other.  

 

It also needs to be said they that they each have a quite a few seasons of football left in the tank.  I could see either/both playing until 35-36.  Neither has shown signs of slowing down even after major injuries (Suggs-AchilliesDume-Pectoralis).  No way there's any serious consideration as to how they DON'T make it - only pewwrhaps as to WHEN...if they don't start slapping women around.

 

Are they Lawrence Taylor?  No, not yet.  But their production to this point is close enough.  If Suggs managed just 7 sacks for the next 4 years (he's averaged 9) he'd have 2 more career sacks than LT.  If Dume averages just 8 for the next 5 years (he averages 10 to date) he'd have 2 less than LT.  If they do better than 10 sacks in any given year they'll likely get selected to Pro Bowls and could realistically each still see up to 8 or so in their careers.  REMEMBER:  Pro Bowl and HOF selections are largely popularity driven contests as much as being stat driven.  In a sack driven league, they'll garner enough respect and good will to gain both.

 

I just can't believe there is any real doubt on this topic.

 

LT is in a league of his own.

neither suggs or doom come close to him TBH.

 

dude was a 1st team all pro for 8 straight seasons.

10 time pro bowler in 10 straight seasons

defensive rookie of the year.

3 time defensive player of the year.

MVP.

2 SB winner.

sacks where not even counted during his rookie season.

 

not to mention he was getting those sacks as a 4-3 OLB and not a 3-4 OLB.

[berad]

LT is in a league of his own.

neither suggs or doom come close to him TBH.

 

dude was a 1st team all pro for 8 straight seasons.

10 time pro bowler in 10 straight seasons

defensive rookie of the year.

3 time defensive player of the year.

MVP.

2 SB winner.

sacks where not even counted during his rookie season.

 

not to mention he was getting those sacks as a 4-3 OLB and not a 3-4 OLB.

 

Neither comes close for sure, Taylor was a phenom but he was definitely a 3-4 OLB, he revolutionized the position.

[Sami84]

i will say this..

 

JJ WATT of 2014 > any LT including 86

 

would it be safe to say there is no way JJ WATT could better last year on an individual level?

[Tru11]

Neither comes close for sure, Taylor was a phenom but he was definitely a 3-4 OLB, he revolutionized the position.

 

hmmm my bad then.

 

thought they ran 4-3.

[berniemc2015]

Why Yes he is, May his work he done speak for him. Just look at his Record it speaks for it self.

[TDubbs]

i will say this..

 

JJ WATT of 2014 > any LT including 86

 

would it be safe to say there is no way JJ WATT could better last year on an individual level?

 

Honestly, he may have a better year as crazy as it may seem. If you've followed him over the offseason he's been putting in serious work. Now you account for the Clowney factor .. JJ may not be the only beast pass rusher on that team. 

[Blackbirds Rule]

Suggs if his career ended now might get in but he would wait a few years. If he has two more double digit sack years he's a first ballot near lock. Another Super Bowl title or any MVP season and he's a first ballot lock.

[January J]

Honestly, he may have a better year as crazy as it may seem. If you've followed him over the offseason he's been putting in serious work. Now you account for the Clowney factor .. JJ may not be the only beast pass rusher on that team.

no doubt he had a phenomenal year , but a lot of it was being In the right place at the right time. Not taking anything away from him bc most of it was pure skill and technique , but I just can't see him topping last years performance. If he did I think he would have to get the MVP hands down- regardless if his team makes the postseason. Giving the MVP to a player who participated on a winning team is a formality that I don't agree with.

[izvoodoo]

no doubt he had a phenomenal year , but a lot of it was being In the right place at the right time. Not taking anything away from him bc most of it was pure skill and technique , but I just can't see him topping last years performance. If he did I think he would have to get the MVP hands down- regardless if his team makes the postseason. Giving the MVP to a player who participated on a winning team is a formality that I don't agree with.

Honestly I think QBs should have their own award.  Then a DPOY and an OPY.  The way the game is set up obviously QB play is far far more important than anything else.  But football isn't really a sport for individual achievements.  No offensive line awards, etc. etc.  

[Sami84]

could you guys imagine JJ watt on our D line..

 

sigh..

[ludy51]

could you guys imagine JJ watt on our D line..

sigh..

Yeah but then we probably wouldn't have gotten Jimmy Smith, then our defensive back group would suck. Besides, I'm happy with our D-Line group as it is

[Sami84]

Yeah but then we probably wouldn't have gotten Jimmy Smith, then our defensive back group would suck. Besides, I'm happy with our D-Line group as it is

 

We'd have probably drafted a corner at some point and quite frankly ... c'mon..you wouldn't take JJ watt over jimmy?

 

He might be going down as the most dominant defensive player ever at this rate over a v good corner?

[JoeyFlex5]

I think he is close. He has the credentials. The DPOY, multiple all star pro..the tackles and sacks. I think what Sizzle really needs is that 'HOF play' that every NFL fan remembers.

A play that makes people go 'wow that was ridiculous...'

Maybe the INT play that Suggs made with his feet last season might be one?... but some people might think that was a fluke.

maybe coming back the same season that he tore his achilles and was a key defender against the niners, holding contain on kaepernick pretty successfully aside from maybe 3 plays

[JoeyFlex5]

We'd have probably drafted a corner at some point and quite frankly ... c'mon..you wouldn't take JJ watt over jimmy?

 

He might be going down as the most dominant defensive player ever at this rate over a v good corner?

i dont always agree with any of the points you make.. 

 

but if you would take ANY current defensive players over JJ watt, youre doing it wrong.

[TDubbs]

We'd have probably drafted a corner at some point and quite frankly ... c'mon..you wouldn't take JJ watt over jimmy?

 

He might be going down as the most dominant defensive player ever at this rate over a v good corner?

 

JJ Watt would be ridiculous on this team, plus there was also a CB in Jimmy's draft ...  *cough* Richard Sherman who would've been alright too. But hey, at least we didnt take Blaine Gabbert 1 spot ahead of JJ. 

Edited July 22, 2015 by TDubbs

[ludy51]

I can play this game too.

I wish we would've drafted

Dez Bryant

Rob gronkowski

Bobby Wagner

Aaron Rodgers

Marshawn lynch

[Clmraven]

I think another factor that could help Suggs is playoff sacks, he's at 12.5 right now, if he gets 4 more he'll have the record and that could make him a first ballot guy as long as he gets another 15-20 sacks in the next 2 regular seasons.