is Suggs HOF material

[52N19]

i'm a ravens homer so i say yes. is 100 sacks in football like 500 home runs in baseball where you are pretty much a lock for the HOF unless you used PEDS.

[berad]

DROY, 6-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All-Pro selection (1st team in 2011, 2nd team in 2008), DPOY, SB champion, 100+ sacks...

 

He's had an awesome career and he's right on that border, he needs to have another strong campaign or two to solidify it

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

DROY, 6-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All-Pro selection (1st team in 2011, 2nd team in 2008), DPOY, SB champion, 100+ sacks...

He's had an awesome career and he's right on that border, he needs to have another strong campaign or two to solidify it

I agree he's borderline. Unfortunately I think his run defense will get overlooked since there aren't any flashy stats to measure it.

Most guys with his level of pass rushing productivity tend to focus on that part of the game... Where I think Suggs is very underrated for his run support.

I definitely think he deserves it, but think it's borderline right now. A couple more seasons with 12+ sacks would help push him over the edge.

[BmoreBird22]

I agree he's borderline. Unfortunately I think his run defense will get overlooked since there aren't any flashy stats to measure it.

Most guys with his level of pass rushing productivity tend to focus on that part of the game... Where I think Suggs is very underrated for his run support.

I definitely think he deserves it, but think it's borderline right now. A couple more seasons with 12+ sacks would help push him over the edge.

He's probably the most dominant run defender at the position and likely would be if he were a 4-3 defensive end. He just sets the edge so damn well, but you're right, it gets overlooked far too often.

[berad]

I agree he's borderline. Unfortunately I think his run defense will get overlooked since there aren't any flashy stats to measure it.

Most guys with his level of pass rushing productivity tend to focus on that part of the game... Where I think Suggs is very underrated for his run support.

I definitely think he deserves it, but think it's borderline right now. A couple more seasons with 12+ sacks would help push him over the edge.

 

You're right about the run defense, he gets underrated there. He'll both set the edge and make plays on the ball carrier, just ask Dri Archer

 

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[Inqui]

I think he's at that point where if it were decided tomorrow he'd deserve it but may be one of the fringe players who may be included or excluded.

 

I know there are better ways to do it, but you can definitely say he's in the top five of his draft class - which includes Andre Johnson, Troy Polamalu, Jason Witten, Dallas Clark, Robert Mathis, Anquan Boldin and a few others. Of course, if we're looking at pass rushers then Mathis has 111 career sacks (but did get pinged for PEDs) and Osi Umenyiora (also from that draft class) only has 85. I'd say you can justify ranking him anywhere between 2/3 and 7 from his draft class, so while it wouldn't be unreasonable to include him it may just as easily come down to how well he finishes his career and who he retires with.

 

If he can pick up 125 (or even 150) sacks and another Lombardi, he'd be very tough to argue with. I think with JJ Watt on the scene we can forget the idea of any more DPoYs. All-Pros? Harder to say, but I wouldn't expect too much in that department either. Even when he won DPoY he only got the second-team nod.

[Cillmatic]

100 sacks doesn't mean HOF at all, Elvis is about 6 sacks away from 100 and we can all agree that he's probably not going to Canton. Suggs is borderline material, he might get in way in the future.

[52520Andrew]

Pretty much agree with the consensus, he is on the border right now. Just comes down to what he is able to do over the remainder of his career

[FlackAttack]

if he performs solid for the next 2 seasons without drastically decreasing in productivity (which can easily happen), then yes hes a future HOFamer

[JoeyFlex5]

if suggs can produce a double digit sack + 2 or more turnovers on a super bowl winning team, i think that will propel him to the HOF. 

 

basically, the ravens need to win another super bowl with suggs being a key contributor, he doesnt have it in him to win another DPOY, he wont be challenging for a sack title, its all about what his team contributions are going to amount to in the few years he has left, if he makes the most of it and helps push the team to another ring, i think its a wrap

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Borderline easy. I'd argue Ngata is too with a greater chance than Suggs tbh.

I don't think first ballot but he will make it. He's a hell of a player

[Underdogsontop!]

Suggs is an animal in my book! I think if Suggs has a DPOY season and sack strips the ball in Super Bowl 50.... then I think he has a good chance! Lol

Edited July 17, 2015 by Underdogsontop!

[Sami84]

Suggs is an animal in my book! I think if Suggs has a DROY season and sack strips the ball in Super Bowl 50.... then I think he has a good chance! Lol

 

i suppose you mean DPOY ..and as long as JJ watt is not injured that is his trophy for the next few years.

[stampedehero]

DROY, 6-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All-Pro selection (1st team in 2011, 2nd team in 2008), DPOY, SB champion, 100+ sacks...

 

He's had an awesome career and he's right on that border, he needs to have another strong campaign or two to solidify it

I'm all for his induction and I was hoping it was before Brady

[Tru11]

probably not a first ballot but he could get in.

 

he started as a pass rusher only but became a all round OLB which lead to his DPOY.

he has several pro bowls and some all pro selections and he is a SB winner.

 

if he stays injury these coming 2 seasons and plays up to his level , he should get some more pro bowls or perhaps maybe add another SB to his resume depending on how the teams plays.

[Static]

If can he play 2-3 more years and inflate his numbers than most likely.

[gtalk12]

I'd say yes

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Right now he'd get in, thanks to the DPOY, but he'd have to wait 10 years after becoming eligible like Andre Tippet did, or like how Neil Smith is stil waiting a decade later after he became eligible. Needs to add to his sack totals, get around 125, and maybe get another Pro Bowl nod or 2, and then he's a lock though probably still not first ballot.

[Underdogsontop!]

i suppose you mean DPOY ..and as long as JJ watt is not injured that is his trophy for the next few years.

Haha thanks.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

i'm a ravens homer so i say yes. is 100 sacks in football like 500 home runs in baseball where you are pretty much a lock for the HOF unless you used PEDS.

 

100 sacks is far from being automatic HoF induction.

Here are all the 100+ sack players who are not in the HoF, excluding very recent retirees like Simeon Rice and Kevin Carter or those not yet elligible.

 

Kevin Greene      160.0      1985-1999      4TM

Leslie O'Neal       132.5      1986-1999      3TM

Clyde Simmons    121.5      1986-2000      5TM

Sean Jones         113.0      1984-1996      3TM

Greg Townsend   109.5      1983-1997      2TM

Pat Swilling          107.5      1986-1998      3TM

Trace Armstrong  106.0      1989-2003      3TM

Neil Smith             104.5      1988-2000      3TM

Jim Jeffcoat          102.5      1983-1997      2TM

William Fuller       100.5      1986-1998      3TM

It also doesn't help Suggs that he'll probably retire around the same time that Jared Allen, John Abraham, Demarcus Ware, Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis do, as they are all ahead of him in career sack totals. That DPOY award may prove to be the difference for him. Also, I suspect that playing his entire career with one team may also work in his favor.

[Sami84]

if richard seymour doesn't make the hall of fame suggs has no shot..we'll see soon enough.

[izvoodoo]

I think if he gets 20 more sacks he's in.  

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think he is close. He has the credentials. The DPOY, multiple all star pro..the tackles and sacks. I think what Sizzle really needs is that 'HOF play' that every NFL fan remembers.

A play that makes people go 'wow that was ridiculous...'

Maybe the INT play that Suggs made with his feet last season might be one?... but some people might think that was a fluke.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Ravenseconbeast

[izvoodoo]

I think he is close. He has the credentials. The DPOY, multiple all star pro..the tackles and sacks. I think what Sizzle really needs is that 'HOF play' that every NFL fan remembers.

A play that makes people go 'wow that was ridiculous...'

Maybe the INT play that Suggs made with his feet last season might be one?... but some people might think that was a fluke.

That's tough for pass rushers.  Which is why it seems they have difficulty getting in.  Guards too.  I think Interiot lineman are by far the least appreciated players in the NFL

[allblackraven]

I think Sizzle is closer to getting a nod than most of us feel.

Edited July 18, 2015 by allblackraven

[balfan23]

Let's see him be a significant contributor in one more Super Bowl Championship. I think that'll do it. 

[#20=DA MAN!!]

Is he a HOFer? yes. Is he 1st ballot...no. but if he continues to dominate for at least another 2 years, or until his contract runs out then yes i do believe he will be. add another SB ring and he's a virtual lock. Because you cant talk about the ravens defense over the past 13 years without mentioning Sizzle, it goes, Ray, Ed, Boulware, McCallister, McCrary, Suggs, Ngata as the people you have to mention when talking about ravens defense over the years. you take any of those players away in their prime and the defense becomes a little less dominant. His run support is so underrated. he never leaves the field...earlier in his career he wasntr too shabby in the coverage dept with a few picks. so when he finally hangs it up and after ray and ed give their canton speeches, suggs will be the next member to be inducted...MARK MY WORDS!!!!

[ravensnick]

What is going to hurt Suggs is playing at the same time of Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeny, John Abraham, Jared Allen, DeMarcus Ware, and Julius Peppers. 

 

I think only a couple of those guys will get in. i think it ends up being Ware as a first ballet, Allen and Suggs soon after. 

[harfordravenfan]

I agree he's borderline. Unfortunately I think his run defense will get overlooked since there aren't any flashy stats to measure it.

Most guys with his level of pass rushing productivity tend to focus on that part of the game... Where I think Suggs is very underrated for his run support.

I definitely think he deserves it, but think it's borderline right now. A couple more seasons with 12+ sacks would help push him over the edge.

 

I think he should go in but believe that too many people controlling the vote will strictly focus on sacks and not look at what a complete OLB he was in regards to his run support

[ellicottraven]

One word - Absolutely! If Jerome Bettis can get inducted into the HOF just based on hype, Suggs definitely has better credentials imho. He is perhaps the most complete outside LBer in the entire league and has been for a few years now.