[News] Late For Work 7/13: Who'll Have More Yards: Breshad Perriman Or Torrey Smith?

[L.J.50]

They both have dropping issues so you have to cancels that out. So if your just going off of talent Perriman is your man.

[bryangraham013@gmail.ocm]

I just think that Perriman is going to be an all out stud he's got old Smitty the WR on the field and WR coach Ingram who was a good route runner in his day. I really like this kid. Torrey struggled with this west coast offence cus he's not good route runner now and press coverage Breshard is strong and so far has shown he can beat press coverage Breshard is a bigger, stronger faster version of Torrey to me.

[Drew P]

Torrey ran a 4.45 at his combine and pro day. Breshad ran a 4.24 and 4.27. and we all thought torrey was fast. Breshad is going to be nasty good. compare the two coming out of college at training camp... Breshad > Torrey. Perriman is going to be a star in this league.

 

I hope they develop Perriman into an all around WR and not just a deep threat

[rmcjacket23]

They both have dropping issues so you have to cancels that out. So if your just going off of talent Perriman is your man.

PROJECTED talent. Remember that.

 

Torrey has actually SHOWN talent... he's been in this league for 4 years and played well in it. Perriman has done precisely zero of those things so far.

 

Nobody can honestly say that Perriman is for certain more talented than Torrey right now, because there's simply no basis for that. Clearly, nobody should care about combine testing or what these guys do when they are in shorts and Tshirts.

 

Perriman will have his opportunity to prove he is more talented, but he's surely not right now.

[robbie29]

I just think that Perriman is going to be an all out stud he's got old Smitty the WR on the field and WR coach Ingram who was a good route runner in his day. I really like this kid. Torrey struggled with this west coast offence cus he's not good route runner now and press coverage Breshard is strong and so far has shown he can beat press coverage Breshard is a bigger, stronger faster version of Torrey to me.

I certainly admire your optimism and hope you're right- I'd also love to see Perriman flourish. However, reality is that we won't truly know if he can beat press coverage until he's played a few regular season games. Reports out of mini-camp & OTAs were that he was up-and-down with his ability to catch the ball. He's got all of training camp and the Preseason to work on that, so I'm not sweating it at this point. Personally, I'm not overly impressed when reporters compliment a WR's speed and size- NFL receivers are supposed to be big and fast. It's far more encouraging and impressive when you hear compliments about a guy's ability to get separation, and CONSISTENTLY make tough catches. Again- we won't have a good idea about that with Perriman until about the end of September. I really hope Ozzie struck gold with Perriman though.

[JoeyFlex5]

well, im not on the hate-torrey wagon, i just recognize his shortcomings, his absolute biggest shortcoming, the one trait that kept him from being a perennial pro bowler, was his total lack of body control, ball tracking, and ball skills, for all the great he has done for us, he did a whole lot of giving up on balls, losing balls, slowing down and falling short of the catch, etc. etc.. torreys hands even as a 4 year vet appear worse than perrimans, add in the fact that perrimans ball skills outshine torrey's by a wide margin, and add in the fact that flacco is a much better passer than kaepernick, my educated guess would be that perriman does better, homerism aside, i truly think that

[Tru11]

why? you dont have to start to get yards. just makes it a little harder if you dont.

 

he has to start if he wants to come close to the numbers torrey had in his rookie season.

torrey  had 50 rec 841 yards and 7 TD in his rookie season starting 14 games.

i doubt perriman can come close to these numbers is he doesn't become a starter at some point.

back up WRs simply wont see that many targets unless we plan to go over pass happy this season lol.

 

Also torrey is going to be a starter with the niners so he will  see alot more targets and thus has a far bigger chance to produce more then perriman this season.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Tru11

[whobilly]

Perriman.

[riseNConquer81]

I hope they develop Perriman into an all around WR and not just a deep threat

Torrey caught 18 of his 30 career TDs on passes thrown less than 20 yards. Please stop spreading this myth.

[riseNConquer81]

he has to start if he wants to come close to the numbers torrey had in his rookie season.

torrey  had 50 rec 841 yards and 7 TD in his rookie season starting 14 games.

i doubt perriman can come close to these numbers is he doesn't become a starter at some point.

back up WRs simply wont see that many targets unless we plan to go over pass happy this season lol.

 

Also torrey is going to be a starter with the niners so he will  see alot more targets and thus has a far bigger chance to produce more then perriman this season.

That is neither the question (asked who gets the most yards in the coming season) nor necessarily true. Torrey didnt start til week 3 in his rookie season, and 841 yards aint that many, especialyl for a dude as fast as Breshad. all he gotta do is catch 2 or 3 deep balls per week and he could have that by week 9. He could aboslutely be a rotating reserve or situational deep threat and and pick up them yards.

[BmoreBird22]

Torrey caught 18 of his 30 career TDs on passes thrown less than 20 yards. Please stop spreading this myth.

I think he's making a general comment about the preconceived notion or Perriman being a deep threat only due to his speed. I'm actually confused because he never even mentioned Torrey...

[riseNConquer81]

I think he's making a general comment about the preconceived notion or Perriman being a deep threat only due to his speed. I'm actually confused because he never even mentioned Torrey...

could be, but it sounds more like a paassive aggressive dig at the coaching staff and Torrey's skills.

and judging by his reaction, i seem to have read his intent pretty accurately.

[BmoreBird22]

could be, but it sounds more like a paassive aggressive dig at the coaching staff and Torrey's skills.

and judging by his reaction, i seem to have read his intent pretty accurately.

No, I think his comment is saying that Torrey isn't on the roster, so why would he be making a comment about Torrey? I really think he's solely concerned with Perriman since he is actually on the roster

[hen826957]

Let's nickname Breshad Perriman "Predator" or "Speed Predator." What you guys think? :-)

[Tru11]

That is neither the question (asked who gets the most yards in the coming season) nor necessarily true. Torrey didnt start til week 3 in his rookie season, and 841 yards aint that many, especialyl for a dude as fast as Breshad. all he gotta do is catch 2 or 3 deep balls per week and he could have that by week 9. He could aboslutely be a rotating reserve or situational deep threat and and pick up them yards.

 

in order to  do what you say he would have to avg over 30 yards per catch for 9 straight weeks catching at least 3 balls.

 

thats highly unrealistic and you are free to show it has been done before lol

 

if he avg 3 catches per game for 16 weeks he would have to avg about 17.7 yards per catch which would be among the league best.

now this could be done but he has to be a starter or he would never see the targets to make this realistic.

 

3 catches per game for 16 weeks = 48 catches on the season.

 

when is the last time a non starter @ wr caught that many passes?

 

heck he would be lucky to see that many targets let alone have a 100% catch ratio...

[L.A.Ravens]

Perriman won't start the season but he will start eventually this year. He not only is training with the ravens but even right now I'm sure he's off training with personal trainers and his pops working on routes and hand movements to get separation and slick cuts. he's gonna push him self to make the most of his chance in the NFL. Sooner than later a star player. BTW our first two picks in the draft comes from a family of former NFL players, most rookies seasons are confusing and takes that full year to get use to it. There familys are telling them what to expect already, so instead of a year it'll take them half the year (because they have to live it not just be told about it) or less.advantage over most rookies

[riseNConquer81]

in order to  do what you say he would have to avg over 30 yards per catch for 9 straight weeks catching at least 3 balls.

 

thats highly unrealistic and you are free to show it has been done before lol

its not unrealistic. also not impossible. just not likely. but fortunately for him, its also not a requirement.

if he avg 3 catches per game for 16 weeks he would have to avg about 17.7 yards per catch which would be among the league best.

now this could be done but he has to be a starter or he would never see the targets to make this realistic.

 

3 catches per game for 16 weeks = 48 catches on the season.

 

when is the last time a non starter @ wr caught that many passes?

 

heck he would be lucky to see that many targets let alone have a 100% catch ratio...

last season. plenty of non starters that pulled that off on this list:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&season=2014&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&d-447263-p=2&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_RECEPTIONS

but that's irrelevant anyway. there are many ways to skin a cat, your proposed model here is only one of them.

If Breshad didnt run a 4.24 40 and wasnt capable of breaking a 5 yard slant for a home run any time, i'd be more worried about his per catch average.

There were 41 guys of all shapes, sizes, abilities, and positions who pulled down 841+ yards last year. Its too easy to make an impact as a pass catcher in the modern game to believe that you MUST start in order to put up good numbers.

and Trestman is pass happy.

and even if Breshad dont start at the beginning of the season, all he has to do is knock a few out of the park when he gets the chance and he will be before long. Its not like he has THAT much competition. Aside from Smith Senior, there's no one else on our roster with the combination of skills and physical abilities to be a more dangerous receiver than Breshad. He has every opportunity to own this receiving corps.

[Drew P]

Let's nickname Breshad Perriman "Predator" or "Speed Predator." What you guys think? :-)

 

He's Danny Glover in the front Predator in the back

[Purple Dawg 96]

Perriman will have to wait in line because of the depth at WR and still beat out Torrey! I don't blame Torrey for that pass against the pats because he was covered over and under but that missed TD in the back of the end zone against the squeelers I think hurt him alot! Didn't try to tap his toe or anything! I'm jus sayin

[Tru11]

its not unrealistic. also not impossible. just not likely. but fortunately for him, its also not a requirement.

last season. plenty of non starters that pulled that off on this list:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&season=2014&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&d-447263-p=2&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_RECEPTIONS

but that's irrelevant anyway. there are many ways to skin a cat, your proposed model here is only one of them.

If Breshad didnt run a 4.24 40 and wasnt capable of breaking a 5 yard slant for a home run any time, i'd be more worried about his per catch average.

There were 41 guys of all shapes, sizes, abilities, and positions who pulled down 841+ yards last year. Its too easy to make an impact as a pass catcher in the modern game to believe that you MUST start in order to put up good numbers.

and Trestman is pass happy.

and even if Breshad dont start at the beginning of the season, all he has to do is knock a few out of the park when he gets the chance and he will be before long. Its not like he has THAT much competition. Aside from Smith Senior, there's no one else on our roster with the combination of skills and physical abilities to be a more dangerous receiver than Breshad. He has every opportunity to own this receiving corps.

 

if its not unrealistic or impossible im pretty sure you have a nice list of players who managed to get 3 catches per game for 9 weeks straight avg 30 yards per catch.

 

also im not sure about that list  you posted cause when i click it i see alot of starters on it and alot of players who arent a WR.

heck from the 41 players with more then 841 yards all where starters or at least started a few games which pretty much proves it cant be done with out starting at some point.

 

the only way he will outproduce torrey as a back up is if torrey gets injured or torrey gets demoted/suspended or anything like that lol

 

non starting WRs on the ravens rarely had any significant production so i have a hard time believing this year will be the first time that will change.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Tru11

[BmoreBird22]

if its not unrealistic or impossible im pretty sure you have a nice list of players who managed to get 3 catches per game for 9 weeks straight avg 30 yards per catch.

 

also im not sure about that list cause when i click it i see alot of starters on it and alot of players who arent a WR.

heck from the 41 players with more then 841 yards all where starters or at least started a few games which pretty much proves it cant be done with out starting at some point.

 

the only way he will outproduce torrey as a back up is if torrey gets injured or torrey gets demoted/suspended or anything like that lol

 

non starting WRs on the ravens rarely had any significant production so i have a hard time believing this year will be the first time that will change.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm pretty sure all of those guys started at least 10 games and only three had less than 60 catches for the entire season. 

47 of the top 50 players in terms of yards had at least 60 catches, so it's not easy to do...

Edited July 13, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[riseNConquer81]

if its not unrealistic or impossible im pretty sure you have a nice list of players who managed to get 3 catches per game for 9 weeks straight avg 30 yards per catch.

you're way too caught up on that, that wasnt the point. I was just illustrating that 840 yards is not the fantasmic feat you make it out to be. Posting 840 by week 9 was obviously a best case scenario, but again...not the point.

 

also im not sure about that list  you posted cause when i click it i see alot of starters on it and alot of players who arent a WR.

heck from the 41 players with more then 841 yards all where starters or at least started a few games which pretty much proves it cant be done with out starting at some point.

you saw "a lot" of starters, not "all starters."

John Brown was no starter, Riley Cooper was no starter, ALlen Hurns was no starter: Kenny Stills, Markus WHeaton, Wes Welker, Jericho Cotchery...plenty of non starters there dude, aint no gettin around that.

you asked for the last time a non starter posted 48 catches, i provided the answer with proof.

and now you're moving the gola posts. You said he would have to be a starter, not "start at some point."

Plus the list also does a great job of demonstrating that the reception count isnt every thing. Brandon Marshall had 61 cathces and only came out with 721 yards, for instance.

 

non starting WRs on the ravens rarely had any significant production so i have a hard time believing this year will be the first time that will change.

you can believe what you like, but that doesnt mean it will come to be.

We have yet another offensive coordinator who likes to put the ball in the air more than any of the previous holders of the job, and yet another void at Wide Receiver which could easily lead to another continuous rotation in the starting spot oppposite of Smith Senior depending on who stands out. All of who will be playing with a quarterback reaching the apex of his career and who now has one of the best o lines in the league to help.

There's a first time for everything, now's an excellent time for the whole Wideout corps to stand up for once, its easily the most talented overall group we've ever had.

Edited July 13, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[Tru11]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm pretty sure all of those guys started at least 10 games and only three had less than 60 catches for the entire season. 

47 of the top 50 players in terms of yards had at least 60 catches, so it's not easy to do...

 

 

yeah i dont know who he is talking about when it comes to non starters putting up huge stats.

 

even so i dont see how a non starter on the ravens can put up those stats.

we dont have a history of that happening at all and i doubt trestman is going to change that.

[BmoreBird22]

you saw "a lot" of starters, not "all starters."

John Brown was no starter, Riley Cooper was no starter, ALlen Hurns was no starter: Kenny Stills, Markus WHeaton, Wes Welker, Jericho Cotchery...plenty of non starters there dude, aint no gettin around that.

you asked for the last time a non starter posted 48 catches, i provided the answer with proof.

Riley Cooper started 16 games, Cotchery started 13 of 13 games played, Wheaton started 11, and Hurns and Welker both started eight games. Brown was the only one with less than 8 starts...

[RRRRRavens]

Torrey ran a 4.45 at his combine and pro day. Breshad ran a 4.24 and 4.27. and we all thought torrey was fast. Breshad is going to be nasty good. compare the two coming out of college at training camp... Breshad > Torrey. Perriman is going to be a star in this league.

Those are great stats but what I like best about Breshad is his reported ability out of the break.  He is one of the fastest and trickiest receivers I've ever seen at the snap of the ball.  Covering him at the break is going to be a nightmare for any poor cornerback assigned the role.  Their best bet will be press coverage but then he just beats you long.  Can't wait to see how this all works out this season.

[Ravensuperfan1]

can we stop comparing an elite vet to an untested rookie. time will tell y'all

[L.A.Ravens]

Can't wait for the season to start already. 2 months

[L.A.Ravens]

elite vet? hope your not talking about Torrey. He isn't elite, will never be. especially with kaep at qb. worst qb ever

[Tru11]

you're way too caught up on that, that wasnt the point. I was just illustrating that 840 yards is not the fantasmic feat you make it out to be. Posting 840 by week 9 was obviously a best case scenario, but again...not the point.

 

you saw "a lot" of starters, not "all starters."

John Brown was no starter, Riley Cooper was no starter, ALlen Hurns was no starter: Kenny Stills, Markus WHeaton, Wes Welker, Jericho Cotchery...plenty of non starters there dude, aint no gettin around that.

you asked for the last time a non starter posted 48 catches, i provided the answer with proof.

and now you're moving the gola posts. You said he would have to be a starter, not "start at some point."

Plus the list also does a great job of demonstrating that the reception count isnt every thing. Brandon Marshall had 61 cathces and only came out with 721 yards, for instance.

 

you can believe what you like, but that doesnt mean it will come to be.

We have yet another offensive coordinator who likes to put the ball in the air more than any of the previous holders of the job, and yet another void at Wide Receiver which could easily lead to another continuous rotation in the starting spot oppposite of Smith Senior depending on who stands out. All of who will be playing with a quarterback reaching the apex of his career and who now has one of the best o lines in the league to help.

There's a first time for everything, now's an excellent time for the whole Wideout corps to stand up for once, its easily the most talented overall group we've ever had.

 

you are the one who brought it up.

now dont back down and turn it around saying that is not the point.

 

hurns started 8 out of 16 games

brown started 5 out of 16 games 

cooper started 16 out of 16 games

stills started 7 games out of 15 games

wheaton started 11 games out of 16 games.

wes welker started 8 out of of 14 games.

cothery started 13 out of 15 games.

 

plenty of none starters yeah right lol

non starter means 0 starts.

 

lets take brown since you mentioned him at he has the least starts.

he had 48 rec for 696 yards and 5 TD  with 14.5 avg on a whopping 102 targets.

 

thats with him starting 5 games.

 

now you wanna tell me that perriman is going to put up better stats starting 0 games?

 

Let me remind you that my point was he has to become a starter, your point was he does not have to be a starter to put up numbers.

 

now show me a player who did not start a single game who produced big.

 

For the record: i was talking about a non starter on the ravens TBH since that is the team in question and its where Perriman will have to show he can do it without starting.

 

edit: also to the bolded part in red.

i suggest you read my very first reply to you and then specifically the 3rd sentence.

its the #37 reply.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Tru11

[MichaelJ34]

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