Stronger Arm - Stafford or Flacco?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

They need to start doing those old events at the Pro Bowl again, like they do for College All Stars.. QB Challenges Deep Ball, Accuracy hitting moving targets, etc...

I used to like seeing those obstacle courses etc..

Me too. They used to replay them all the time at like 2am in espn when I was younger.

Was awesome to see your favorite players competing at something other than football and just having fun.

They also used to do it for the upcoming draft class but the last one I remember was Flaccos class where he won the deep ball challenge. I remember not knowing who this gigantic guy was from Delaware but loving his pure skill set.

Glad we took him.

[JoeyFlex5]

im pretty sure the article did not pick stafford for his accuracy but his arm strength which OP brought in question and him suggestion flacco should have been the choice.

 

did you even read the OP first post or the article he posted?

 

 

ball placement and power control are an aspect of accuracy not arm strength.

 

those 2 elements you need if you want to throw a ball accurate not as far as you can.

 

the article talks about pure arm strength and the biggest reason people believe stafford has the biggest arm is because he can throw the ball far while doing it off his back foot and not what you described.

its pretty crazy how much velocity and distance he can get on a ball throwing off his backfoot or across his body.

 

also i think you forgot he did pretty well with golden tate who isent 6`6 nor is on his way to the HOF.

the megatron argument is  played out since he has proven he can do it with someone else.

 

also the boards seems to be bringing up alot of things that have 0 to do with the article and OP initial discussion lol.

he may have done well with golden tate, but its no secret that megatron has bailed him out more times than even megatron himself could probably count, dont even try to deny it. 

 

also, if you have to sacrifice accuracy to gain more throwing power, then that is not natural power, that is messing your game up for the sake of distance. nobody is saying stafford has a weak arm, nor am i saying joe flacco can throw it further, but i think i broke it down pretty well as to why deep ball placement is a major factor in arm strength rather than accuracy, even most noodle armed nfl qb's can get it 60 yards downfield, but they are noodle armed and they sacrifice so much of everything else to get it to travel that distance, making it land 10 yards off the mark. if flacco and stafford lined up next to eachother and threw it 75 yards to a specific location, i have no doubts that joe could throw it as if he was throwing a regular hitch route, form as textbook as ever, and he could land it within 5 yards of the mark, stafford on the other hand would make it look like one hell of a labored throw and would sail it way over, controlling the arm strength is more a part of arm strength rather than accuracy and youre just not gonna convince me otherwise, and if we were arguing rodgers vs stafford id make the same argument, so this isnt just a flacco thing.

[Inqui]

Flacco>>>Stafford. Also, how do I start a topic? I'm new here. Lol

You need a certain amount of posts before you're allowed to start topics.

[Inqui]

They need to start doing those old events at the Pro Bowl again, like they do for College All Stars.. QB Challenges Deep Ball, Accuracy hitting moving targets, etc... 

 

I used to like seeing those obstacle courses etc..

Cosigned. The challenges would probably be more intense than the Pro Bowl itself too.

[Greatness]

Joe Flacco because... Murica

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Arm strength without accuracy does have a point under the premise of the article.

Reading it and understanding it are two different things.

If you're going to argue Stafford is the wrong choice the ONLY VALID argument you can make is that Flacco - regardless of accuracy, technique, release, or receivers - has a stronger arm.

I'm not saying that's not true or that it is. The fact is unless we had them both line up and launch the ball down the field and throw with a radar gun and find a way to weigh both measurements in an assessment if what arm strength means then there's not a definitive right or wrong answer.

Stafford isn't a wrong choice. Flacco wouldn't have been wrong either, and if he had there would be plenty of people - like you - on the other side of the coin saying stafford was a better choice.

Who cares? Flaccos a great QB, he's our QB, and being picked in that article wouldn't change either of those things. I'm sure Joe's not sweating it and doesn't feel slighted by it. Neither should you.

I see your point. But I never once said Stafford was the wrong choice I did say I would pick Flacco over Stafford. Do you think accuracy suffers when a person puts all their power into a throw? If you said yes then consider this Flacco is still accurate at long distances as even the writer stated Stafford needs to work on that. So does that mean Flacco can throw even harder and farther at the cost of being less accurate but does not? In Baseball you see it with throwing hard and the ball being a little wild or off target just something to think about. If thats true then Flacco has not even shown his true strength.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I see your point. But I never once said Stafford was the wrong choice I did say I would pick Flacco over Stafford. Do you think accuracy suffers when a person puts all their power into a throw? If you said yes then consider this Flacco is still accurate at long distances as even the writer stated Stafford needs to work on that. So does that mean Flacco can throw even harder and farther at the cost of being less accurate but does not? In Baseball you see it with throwing hard and the ball being a little wild or off target just something to think about. If thats true then Flacco has not even shown his true strength.

That's a hypothetical scenario so I'm not going to even waste time debating it.

The opposite may also be true - sound mechanics, footwork and throwing motion help increase throwing strength... So couldn't you say if stafford took the time to refine those things he could throw the ball way further?

Again, we don't know so who cares.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

That's a hypothetical scenario so I'm not going to even waste time debating it.

The opposite may also be true - sound mechanics, footwork and throwing motion help increase throwing strength... So couldn't you say if stafford took the time to refine those things he could throw the ball way further?

Again, we don't know so who cares.

OK I can agree with this part of your post

[cobrajet]

I would like to see Stafford, Joe, and Kaep (who also has a cannon for an arm) line up together and make a "for all it's worth" throw to see who slings it the furthest. I bet it would be real close, but I would put my money on Joe.

[Static]

I would like to see Stafford, Joe, and Kaep (who also has a cannon for an arm) line up together and make a "for all it's worth" throw to see who slings it the furthest. I bet it would be real close, but I would put my money on Joe.

 Kaep cannot sling it mad far he just has no touch and ends up rocketing every ball. Replace him with Rodgers

[cobrajet]

 Kaep cannot sling it mad far he just has no touch and ends up rocketing every ball. Replace him with Rodgers

I do not think Kaep is all that accurate but I would just like to see who has the bragging rights for the "strongest arm." I would probably put my money on Aaron in a "distance for accuracy contest" but I think the others have stronger arms.

[TXRavensFan]

Some more fodder for thought from football outsiders:
 
Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar

Who throws the deepest deep ball? Sorted by average air yards. Maybe RG3 & RT can learn from PM & AR. Quicker throw

 

Edited July 28, 2015 by TXRavensFan

[JoeyFlex5]

Some more fodder for thought from football outsiders:

 

Scott Kacsmar ‏@FO_ScottKacsmar

Who throws the deepest deep ball? Sorted by average air yards. Maybe RG3 & RT can learn from PM & AR. Quicker throw

 

invalid stat, tannehill is 4th.

[Guest]

If we're going off of who can throw it the farthest it's probably Stafford or Cutler. In terms of who's better going deep Flacco is close with more accuracy

 

It's certainly not Cutler. He's got a reputation he cannot support.  His long ball is a quail.

[sflegend89]

Jamarcus Russell had a cannon. Arm strength doesn't mean much if you don't have the accuracy and football IQ to go with it. A lot of why Flacco is so effective throwing the deep ball  is because he does a good job of picking his spots and putting the ball where either his WR can make a play on the ball or he can get the DB in chase mode so he can't get his head around to track the ball, usually resulting in a massive interference call.

[Bent_Wookie]

Stafford vs. Flacco? We should let Megatron decide, we could get him super cheap asap?!

[Tenacious Faulker]

In light of this topic you have to wonder why the NFL doesn't have a "derby" for NFL players like the MLB.  The All Star Break and Pro Bowl are anologous, but the MLB has the home run Derby.  Even the NBA has a dunking contest.  Why not a pass, punt, kick type of contest?  Granted it would have to be broader to perhaps incorporate more positions, but why hasn;t the NFL ever tried this in the off season?

[beanfigger]

In light of this topic you have to wonder why the NFL doesn't have a "derby" for NFL players like the MLB.  The All Star Break and Pro Bowl are anologous, but the MLB has the home run Derby.  Even the NBA has a dunking contest.  Why not a pass, punt, kick type of contest?  Granted it would have to be broader to perhaps incorporate more positions, but why hasn;t the NFL ever tried this in the off season?

 

They used to do it every year. I think it continued into the 2000s even.

[jimmypowder]

Staffords a loser .

[Tank 92]

They used to do it every year. I think it continued into the 2000s even.

 

 

Are you thinking of the QB Challenge?

[TXRavensFan]

Are you thinking of the QB Challenge?

 

As a kid a remember the skills challenge (I think it was called) during pro-bowl week. I know it was more than QBs, and they even did an NFL's fastest man race...last one I remember seeing, Darrell Green won.

[Tank 92]

As a kid a remember the skills challenge (I think it was called) during pro-bowl week. I know it was more than QBs, and they even did an NFL's fastest man race...last one I remember seeing, Darrell Green won.

 

 

Oh, OK. Really don't remember that.  I've never watched much of the pro bowl stuff.

 

It would be cool if they brought back the QB Challenge. Guessing it's gone due to some facet of the CBA.

Edited August 1, 2015 by Tank 92

[fedor]

Flacco throwing 74 yards in QB competition

 

 

anybody know the farthest ball thrown by flacco in games?      i think 83 yard bomb by don meredith is said to be the longest thrown ball in nfl game.   not sure if flacco threw 80+ yarder.   if he did, i certainly missed it.

[Kid87]

Everybody always hating on Flacco for no reason. Clearly he has the best Arm in the NFL. And he WILL show everybody this season

[Tru11]

Everybody always hating on Flacco for no reason. Clearly he has the best Arm in the NFL. And he WILL show everybody this season

 

aaron rodgers retired?

[1/28/01]

aaron rodgers retired?

Hahaha

[beanfigger]

aaron rodgers retired?

Maybe he was only considering the other human QBs. Rodgers is a machine.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Rogers is perhaps the only QB in the league I'd having taken over Flacco.  This year however, I Joe might surprise a great deal of people. 

[ellicottraven]

Right now, when you put all the variables for a QB in, the best output would be a Joe Flacco, that is if you are concerned with winning a championship. Sorry, Rodgers, I still like Flacco a teeny bit more.

[1/28/01]

Right now, when you put all the variables for a QB in, the best output would be a Joe Flacco, that is if you are concerned with winning a championship. Sorry, Rodgers, I still like Flacco a teeny bit more.

So, same teams, coaches, staff etc and Ravens and Packers agree to swap quarterbacks. You'd say no?