Campanaro says he feels 100%.

[FlackAttack]

I'm not high on Brown. He had his opportunity to separate last year and fell short. I don't think he uses his size well and even in these OTAs he was getting boxed out by smaller DBs (that aren't allowed to hit). Our offense needs guys that can win one-on-one and I'd like to see some others given the opportunity.

 

none of the other receivers besides aiken and SSS are more talented than brown. flat out.

[January J]

As of right now, I'll be disappointed if Aiken or Butler is cut. Those guys are as sure handed as they come. With another recent thread talking about yards missed from dropped passes, I think they would be great. Hopefully they have a good minicamp.

Aiken won't get cut. And I imagine that if butler keeps it up he won't be either.

[757RavensFan]

none of the other receivers besides aiken and SSS are more talented than brown. flat out.

Agreed. I don't get the Brown hate!

[Ravensfan23]

Agreed. I don't get the Brown hate!

It's called fantasy football. Because Brown's numbers last year didn't at least match his rookie season, the fantasy football, espn highlight crowd assume he regressed. However as a football player in the real world Marlon Brown actually improve on his route running, timing and other nuances of his game. That's what coaches and guys like Steve Smith see about Brown that have excited.

What i don't get is the group that believe Brown was so bad last year while Aiken and Camp showed so much more. I thought it was the TDs those guys scored but even that doesn't make much sense to me because neither guy had an significant amount of TDs.

[FlackAttack]

It's called fantasy football. Because Brown's numbers last year didn't at least match his rookie season, the fantasy football, espn highlight crowd assume he regressed. However as a football player in the real world Marlon Brown actually improve on his route running, timing and other nuances of his game. That's what coaches and guys like Steve Smith see about Brown that have excited.

What i don't get is the group that believe Brown was so bad last year while Aiken and Camp showed so much more. I thought it was the TDs those guys scored but even that doesn't make much sense to me because neither guy had an significant amount of TDs.

 

agree with aiken, but def dont agree about campanaro. dont think he really "showed so much more" than brown.

 

although considering he only played 4 games compared to browns 14 i guess that kinda makes sense.

[Ravensfan23]

agree with aiken, but def dont agree about campanaro. dont think he really "showed so much more" than brown.

 

although considering he only played 4 games compared to browns 14 i guess that kinda makes sense.

How did Aiken show more? I've provided stats, coaches have said how much Brown improved last year, coaches and Steve Smith have praised Brown and said how they expect big things from him this year. However i continue to see fans say how he regressed, how he can't get open, how he may get cut and despite having nearly identical stats, Aiken did more with his opportunities then Brown. I don't get it as maybe you can explain why Aiken was so great last year and Brown regressed.

Oh and for the record I'm not downing Aiken. I was very pleased with him last season and expect more of the same from him this year.

[FlackAttack]

How did Aiken show more? I've provided stats, coaches have said how much Brown improved last year, coaches and Steve Smith have praised Brown and said how they expect big things from him this year. However i continue to see fans say how he regressed, how he can't get open, how he may get cut and despite having nearly identical stats, Aiken did more with his opportunities then Brown. I don't get it as maybe you can explain why Aiken was so great last year and Brown regressed.

Oh and for the record I'm not downing Aiken. I was very pleased with him last season and expect more of the same from him this year.

 

my bad, i actually read your post wrong. i read it as camp and aiken were both better than brown. didnt see you actually thought they werent.

 

if thats the case i agree mostly with your post, especially the campanaro situation. he is EXTREMELY overrated.

 

but the reason i can agree with posters that think aiken showed more is because he stepped up huge when t smith was hurt last year. but maybe brown was injured too, cant remember off the top of my head. that dolphins game he stepped up huge for us.

[Ravensfan23]

my bad, i actually read your post wrong. i read it as camp and aiken were both better than brown. didnt see you actually thought they werent.

 

if thats the case i agree mostly with your post, especially the campanaro situation. he is EXTREMELY overrated.

 

but the reason i can agree with posters that think aiken showed more is because he stepped up huge when t smith was hurt last year. but maybe brown was injured too, cant remember off the top of my head. that dolphins game he stepped up huge for us.

Ok so he stepped up in that game with 6 catches. That was great but to finish up the season over the next 5 games he had a total 4 catches.

Mean while Marlon Brown actually started that game but didn't get many snap because he left the prior game with concussion like symptoms iirc. Brown finished that game with 3 catches. Then he followed it up by catching 5 passes the following week against Jax and finishing with 8 more catches to end the year.

So after the Dolphins game, from the Jax game through the Pats game Aiken had a total of 4 catches while Brown had 13. I take nothing away from Kamar, i just don't see it. Again no knock to Aiken but i think there is a reason why every time someone in the organization speaks about Marlon Brown they do so glowingly.

And again for the record I'm not saying Marlon crushed from a statical standpoint. I just think he improved a lot as a WR in ways that stats didn't show because Smitty took most of his opportunities.

[beasy2487]

It's called fantasy football. Because Brown's numbers last year didn't at least match his rookie season, the fantasy football, espn highlight crowd assume he regressed. However as a football player in the real world Marlon Brown actually improve on his route running, timing and other nuances of his game. That's what coaches and guys like Steve Smith see about Brown that have excited.

What i don't get is the group that believe Brown was so bad last year while Aiken and Camp showed so much more. I thought it was the TDs those guys scored but even that doesn't make much sense to me because neither guy had an significant amount of TDs.

 

From where I'm sitting the opposite is true. I look at Brown's TD numbers his rookie year and I see a guy that made plays when nothing was expected of him (either from the fans or from the opposing defense). Then last year, when the #3 WR spot was all but up for grabs, he disappeared. We can talk about "taking advantage of opportunities" as much as we want, but at some point you make your own opportunities. Torrey Smith struggled mightily last year, Smith Sr. disappeared for long stretches toward the back end of the season, Jacoby's confidence was completely broken by mid-season, and Campanaro was oft-injured. Given those circumstances, Marlon had nothing but opportunity to establish himself as the #3 WR on this team and he just couldn't do it. 24 receptions for 255 yards and no scores?! When you're 6' 5" and have the inside track for WR3???? Extremely disappointing.

 

I think Marlon Brown is a solid WR4 or WR5. The thing is, we have other guys that can play WR4/5 that have the potential to do more (i.e. Butler, Campanaro and Waller). With Aiken primed to solidify himself as WR3 and Waller, more than likely, locking up the last WR spot, I think it's Brown vs. Butler vs. Campanaro for WR4 or 5. Any two of those three could make it but I'd prefer Camp and Butler, simply because I think we've seen what we're going to get from Brown--mediocrity.

Edited July 6, 2015 by beasy2487

[FlackAttack]

From where I'm sitting the opposite is true. I look at Brown's TD numbers his rookie year and I see a guy that made plays when nothing was expected of him (either from the fans or from the opposing defense). Then last year, when the #3 WR spot was all but up for grabs, he disappeared. We can talk about "taking advantage of opportunities" as much as we want, but at some point you make your own opportunities. Torrey Smith struggled mightily last year, Smith Sr. disappeared for long stretches toward the back end of the season, Jacoby's confidence was completely broken by mid-season, and Campanaro was oft-injured. Given those circumstances, Marlon had nothing but opportunity to establish himself as the #3 WR on this team and he just couldn't do it. 24 receptions for 255 yards and no scores?! When you're 6' 5" and have the inside track for WR3???? Extremely disappointing.

 

I think Marlon Brown is a solid WR4 or WR5. The thing is, we have other guys that can play WR4/5 that have the potential to do more (i.e. Butler, Campanaro and Waller). With Aiken primed to solidify himself as WR3 and Waller, more than likely, locking up the last WR spot, I think it's Brown vs. Butler vs. Campanaro for WR4 or 5. Any two of those three could make it but I'd prefer Camp and Butler, simply because I think we've seen what we're going to get from Brown--mediocrity.

 

 

Bro, you are extremely off...

 

Just because SSS and T Smith didn't produce during SOME games doesn't automatically open the opportunity for Marlon Brown. It doesn't mean they've "disappeared" either. Smith and Smith were both very well there, on the field and solid starters all season.. week after week regardless of their production. Aiken and Jacoby were running WR3 mostly, and just because Jacoby didn't play well doesn't mean they are going to all of a sudden replace him with Marlon. I wish that's how it works because Jacoby was awful last season, and I was very vocal about it since week 2 or 3. But that's not how it works man.

 

And they used Owen Daniels in a lot of plays across the middle and in the red zone, where Brown could've excelled. But unfortunately Brown wasn't on the field often. Its not that he didn't produce, kubiak just didnt use him. I fully expect Trestman to utilize his talent a good amount this season, no doubt.

 

At this point, the only players you can matter-of-factually state will produce better than Brown is SSS and Aiken, simply because of what they have done during their careers. All the other WR's competing have done absolutely nothing in their careers except catch some balls during the preseason or rode that bench for the regular season because of injury. Marlon Brown has made some great plays for us during the regular season for the past two years and is rarely injured. Stating Campanaro is better than Brown is just laughable at this point.   (lol)

 

The coaches are keeping Brown and there's no denying that. If he ends up playing poorly this season then we can talk about replacing him in 2016. But right now you have not one proven player that will step in and play better than Brown, besides Aiken or SSS.

[Edgar]

How did Aiken show more? I've provided stats, coaches have said how much Brown improved last year, coaches and Steve Smith have praised Brown and said how they expect big things from him this year. However i continue to see fans say how he regressed, how he can't get open, how he may get cut and despite having nearly identical stats, Aiken did more with his opportunities then Brown. I don't get it as maybe you can explain why Aiken was so great last year and Brown regressed.

Oh and for the record I'm not downing Aiken. I was very pleased with him last season and expect more of the same from him this year.

I am a Marlon Brown proponent but must point out that Aiken was apparently ahead of him on the depth chart for most of the year. I wonder if that is still the case and if the staff is higher on Aiken than on Brown.

I still think we keep seven. Five that I feel are definite would include Aiken and Brown(Smith,Perriman,and Campanaro) with two spots more or less up for grabs between Butler,Hardy,Waller,Carter. Come to think of it, I'll say Waller makes the team with Butler.

Hardy and Carter (hopefully) make it through to our practice squad with Campanaro's health being the wild card.

[757RavensFan]

I am a Marlon Brown proponent but must point out that Aiken was apparently ahead of him on the depth chart for most of the year. I wonder if that is still the case and if the staff is higher on Aiken than on Brown.

I still think we keep seven. Five that I feel are definite would include Aiken and Brown(Smith,Perriman,and Campanaro) with two spots more or less up for grabs between Butler,Hardy,Waller,Carter. Come to think of it, I'll say Waller makes the team with Butler.

Hardy and Carter (hopefully) make it through to our practice squad with Campanaro's health being the wild card.

 

I agree w/ 4 of your 5. But sorry, I don't feel that Campanaro is a definite at all.

[Sami84]

i just don't see marlon brown taking that big leap..i think he is what he is...an average but tall wide reciever.

 

I'm hoping to see a bit more of butler because i feel he might have a higher potential than aiken and brown.

[Ravensfan23]

From where I'm sitting the opposite is true. I look at Brown's TD numbers his rookie year and I see a guy that made plays when nothing was expected of him (either from the fans or from the opposing defense). Then last year, when the #3 WR spot was all but up for grabs, he disappeared. We can talk about "taking advantage of opportunities" as much as we want, but at some point you make your own opportunities. Torrey Smith struggled mightily last year, Smith Sr. disappeared for long stretches toward the back end of the season, Jacoby's confidence was completely broken by mid-season, and Campanaro was oft-injured. Given those circumstances, Marlon had nothing but opportunity to establish himself as the #3 WR on this team and he just couldn't do it. 24 receptions for 255 yards and no scores?! When you're 6' 5" and have the inside track for WR3???? Extremely disappointing.

 

I think Marlon Brown is a solid WR4 or WR5. The thing is, we have other guys that can play WR4/5 that have the potential to do more (i.e. Butler, Campanaro and Waller). With Aiken primed to solidify himself as WR3 and Waller, more than likely, locking up the last WR spot, I think it's Brown vs. Butler vs. Campanaro for WR4 or 5. Any two of those three could make it but I'd prefer Camp and Butler, simply because I think we've seen what we're going to get from Brown--mediocrity.

 

(long post)

From where I'm sitting the facts or should i say the numbers just don't support this. Kubes favored the 2TE sets and using a FB more then utilizing a #3 WR. So it doesn't matter if it would have been Brown, Jones, Aiken or Camp, the most those guys probably would have gotten was about 60 targets. That's about 4 targets per game. Not a lot of opportunities in my book. 

 

It's cool and sounds nice to say that one should make their own opportunities, but when the offense isn't designed for your position to have much of an impact, it just doesn't add up. So lets look at the numbers. Pitta and Gilmore saw a total of 538 combined snaps as #2 TEs, with Gilmore accounting for 372 of them. By comparison, Brown as the #3 WR saw 375 snaps. Factor in Daniels 818 snaps combined with Juices 545 snaps and it becomes clear to see that Kubes favored the TEs and FB being on the field more then a 3rd WR. 

 

Now lets take a closer look at Brown's numbers and see where he's opportunities came or where he should have made his own opportunities as you say. Over the first half of the season Brown was in and out of the lineup with the injury he dealt with. To me that's a much bigger concern then his play. So here are his numbers from Week 1 thru 5

 

Week 1: 40 snaps 1 Targets 0rec   0yds

Week 2:   3 snaps 0 Targets 0rec   0yds

Week 3: 23 snaps 1 Targets 1rec 15yds 

Week 4: 31 snaps 3 Targets 3rec 31yds

Week 5: 30 snaps 2 Targets 0rec   0yds

 

So let's dig a bit deeper in the numbers. If Brown averaged about 30 snaps per game. Let's say 5 of those snaps came on running plays. That leaves 25 snaps to "make his own opportunities" Flacco averaged 35 attempts per game. Smitty averaged 9 targets per game, Torrey and Daniels averaged 5-6 Targets. That's 20 attempt right there, not to mention the backs, other TE and balls thrown away. So that mean Brown had 25 snaps to make the best out of 1-3 pass attempts. How can you do any more then what he did?

 

Marlon didn't receive a single snap during Week 6 or Week 7. Not because of poor play but because of injuries(big concern). During those 2 games Aiken and Camp combined for a total of 77 snaps which is about the same total as Brown would have had and their production was a combined: 7 targets 6recs 83yds 2TD. The TDs were the only difference and both of them came against TB in the redzone. Marlon was given only 1 target all year in the redzone.  

 

Now let's address the Jacoby lost all confidence by mid season and Brown should have took advantage of that comment. From weeks 9-15 Marlon Brown recorded at least 2recs in 5 out of 6 games played. Here are the numbers. 

 

Week   9: 34 snaps 3 Targets 3recs 27yds

Week 10: 23 snaps 2 Targets 2recs 18yds

Week 11: Bye week

Week 12: 24 snaps 1 Targets 1recs 18yds

Week 13:   7 snaps 3 Targets 3recs 25yds Left early in the 2nd quarter with concussion

Week 14: 33 snaps 3 Targets 3recs 30yds Started in place of Torrey but limited by concussion.

Week 15: 27 snaps 5 Targets 5recs 66yds

 

So not only did Marlon Brown have at least 2 catches in 5 of 6 games during this stretch, he caught 100% the balls thrown his way. As you can see his snaps totals didn't increase, he was just targeted more. Marlon was starting to turn it on around week 13 but as you see injuries limited him. Again that's a big concern for me about him. But other then not get hurt, what more could he have done to "create his own opportunities"?

 

With the 4 game between Week 16 throughout the Playoffs and he had 8recs for 75 yards. Again it sounds good to say a guy needs to make his own opportunities but unfortunately it doesn't work like that in all cases. Kubes didn't feature the #3 WR much regardless of who was lined up there and even moreso, he only got 1 target in the redzone all season. I'd imagine that a guy who caught 75% of his targets all season and made his name in that area during his rookie season would be an asset in the redzone, but that's probably a big reason why this offense struggled in the redzone. Now I'm not saying that Marlon Brown killed it last season, but I definitely saw improvement in his game and I think the coaches excitement about what he can do with more opportunities is definitely warranted. 

[Ravensfan23]

I am a Marlon Brown proponent but must point out that Aiken was apparently ahead of him on the depth chart for most of the year. I wonder if that is still the case and if the staff is higher on Aiken than on Brown.

I still think we keep seven. Five that I feel are definite would include Aiken and Brown(Smith,Perriman,and Campanaro) with two spots more or less up for grabs between Butler,Hardy,Waller,Carter. Come to think of it, I'll say Waller makes the team with Butler.

Hardy and Carter (hopefully) make it through to our practice squad with Campanaro's health being the wild card.

 

I think we should find a way to have a Game Rewind account here in the Flock so we can all go back and watch games together, because it's clear to me that we all see the same game but view it through different eyes. lol. 

 

There was no way Aiken was ahead of Brown on the depth chart at any point during the season and certainly not most of it. Just posted a pretty lengthy post on Browns snaps so i'll keep this short. Marlon Brown saw 34.9% of snaps while Aiken saw only 25.4%. Also when Torrey was hurt it was Brown who started the Dolphins game not Aiken. However the coaches was cautious with Marlon because he suffered a concussion the prior week against SD, so Aiken got an opportunity and ran with it. Aiken only saw equal or more snaps then Brown in games they both were active 2 times and both came as a result of Marlon Brown being limited with injuries. Actually it was 3 games including the playoffs, Aiken saw more snaps in the Pats game then Marlon, but Marlon saw more passes come his way in that game. 

 

I don't wanna downplay Aiken with this statement, but the only reason he got as many opportunities as he did was because of Browns injuries. But he showed a lot of those chances so I hope he continues to do so. Also I'd put Butler over Camp right now, simply because Butler actually made the team last year and probably would have been the guy playing over Aiken if not for his injury. So I think if he continues to work hard he'll make the team. Camp just needs to get and stay healthy. 

[deacfan]

Brown had a groin issue that kept him out of the Tampa game. The following week he was ready to go against Atlanta and actually went out for warm ups but there was a mis-communication with the coaches and he was a healthy scratch. In other words Camp had jumped him on the depth chart. By the second Cincy game Camp had also jumped Jacoby at PR. So he was the #3 WR and #1 PR then the hammy got him. Go back and watch the tape of those games..Coaches made these decisions based on what they see everyday

 

The staff counted on him in crucial times during the patriots playoff game and he had 4 catches 2 of which were "outstanding" according to the tv commentator. 

 

Camp can ball and if the injury bug is behind him he is gonna be special this season!!

[deacfan]

I think we should find a way to have a Game Rewind account here in the Flock so we can all go back and watch games together, because it's clear to me that we all see the same game but view it through different eyes. lol. 

 

There was no way Aiken was ahead of Brown on the depth chart at any point during the season and certainly not most of it. Just posted a pretty lengthy post on Browns snaps so i'll keep this short. Marlon Brown saw 34.9% of snaps while Aiken saw only 25.4%. Also when Torrey was hurt it was Brown who started the Dolphins game not Aiken. However the coaches was cautious with Marlon because he suffered a concussion the prior week against SD, so Aiken got an opportunity and ran with it. Aiken only saw equal or more snaps then Brown in games they both were active 2 times and both came as a result of Marlon Brown being limited with injuries. Actually it was 3 games including the playoffs, Aiken saw more snaps in the Pats game then Marlon, but Marlon saw more passes come his way in that game. 

 

I don't wanna downplay Aiken with this statement, but the only reason he got as many opportunities as he did was because of Browns injuries. But he showed a lot of those chances so I hope he continues to do so. Also I'd put Butler over Camp right now, simply because Butler actually made the team last year and probably would have been the guy playing over Aiken if not for his injury. So I think if he continues to work hard he'll make the team. Camp just needs to get and stay healthy. 

100% correct about Aiken never being ahead of Brown on the depth chart.They play different WR positions. Brown was the clear #3 for most of the season.  

 

Your wrong about Butler, he was stashed on IR. Never a real injury. But he is a BEAST! I would put him as the #2 right now.

[Ravensfan23]

100% correct about Aiken never being ahead of Brown on the depth chart.They play different WR positions. Brown was the clear #3 for most of the season.  

 

Yourwrong about Butler, he was stashed on IR. Never a real injury. But he is a BEAST! I would put him as the #2 right now.

 

You may be right about that. I just remember when I went out at practice being extremely impressed with Butler, then watching him at the open practice he wowed me again and just followed that up with an impressive preseason. Don't remember much about Aiken during the preseason season but he definitely stepped up during the season. 

 

I think Butler will be good too, but I think he'll be more of that physical slot guy more then a traditional #2. Much like Boldin in AZ, even though he was the #2 next to Fitz, he lined up in the slot a ton and just killed people. Not sure Butler has that type of potential but he definitely has the talent to help us in the slot. That's one of the biggest reasons I put him ahead of Camp and Carter right now, but of course both those guys can return kicks so it'll be interesting to see how things shake out. 

[GrimCoconut]

I think we might end up trading some WR this year. We're fat at WR and I'm not sure we'll want to just let a guy go, even if that's what happens. I can't see Marlon Brown going anywhere though. I firmly think he's safe.

[Tank 92]

I think we might end up trading some WR this year. We're fat at WR and I'm not sure we'll want to just let a guy go, even if that's what happens. I can't see Marlon Brown going anywhere though. I firmly think he's safe.

 

 

It's crazy and loony times when the Ravens have too many receivers.    lol

[ravensnick]

I think we might end up trading some WR this year. We're fat at WR and I'm not sure we'll want to just let a guy go, even if that's what happens. I can't see Marlon Brown going anywhere though. I firmly think he's safe.

At worst, Marlon is good for a couple critical third downs a year. 

[ravensdan]

I think we might end up trading some WR this year. We're fat at WR and I'm not sure we'll want to just let a guy go, even if that's what happens. I can't see Marlon Brown going anywhere though. I firmly think he's safe.

I can't see anyone trading for any of our receivers. Maybe someone sees something to give a 7th conditional for. Like new England.

[Edgar]

I agree w/ 4 of your 5. But sorry, I don't feel that Campanaro is a definite at all.

No way Campanaro gets cut. This guy looked like he belongs right away. I see a dangerous slot receiver and a real weapon on third downs.

They will find a way even if he does get hurt again to keep him around.

[FlackAttack]

No way Campanaro gets cut. This guy looked like he belongs right away. I see a dangerous slot receiver and a real weapon on third downs.

They will find a way even if he does get hurt again to keep him around.

 

doubt it

[Underdogsontop!]

No way Campanaro gets cut. This guy looked like he belongs right away. I see a dangerous slot receiver and a real weapon on third downs.

They will find a way even if he does get hurt again to keep him around.

Plus he was doing punt returns last year too. He just needs to stay healthy!

[757RavensFan]

No way Campanaro gets cut. This guy looked like he belongs right away. I see a dangerous slot receiver and a real weapon on third downs.

They will find a way even if he does get hurt again to keep him around.

 

 

doubt it

 

Exactly, if he gets hurt again and misses significant time in TC, he's out of here.

[GrimCoconut]

I can't see anyone trading for any of our receivers. Maybe someone sees something to give a 7th conditional for. Like new England.

Lol let me break down my comment some. I did a bad job on that one.

"I think we might end up trading some WR this year."

This was more or less meant to say that I think we're stacked at WR to the point that it's going to be tough to let any of them go for peanuts, which is what would happen if we cut some. I should've put an lol after that trade comment.

"We're fat at WR and I'm not sure we'll want to just let a guy go, even if that's what happens."

This comment is in line with what my point was, which is it's going to be tough to cut these WR realizing another team (Cleveland) will very likely siphon our leftovers.

Hope that makes more sense! It certainly will be tough to trade a WR. I'm not sure Aiken or Marlon Brown even have much value in trade..

[Ravensfan23]

Lol let me break down my comment some. I did a bad job on that one.

"I think we might end up trading some WR this year."

This was more or less meant to say that I think we're stacked at WR to the point that it's going to be tough to let any of them go for peanuts, which is what would happen if we cut some. I should've put an lol after that trade comment.

"We're fat at WR and I'm not sure we'll want to just let a guy go, even if that's what happens."

This comment is in line with what my point was, which is it's going to be tough to cut these WR realizing another team (Cleveland) will very likely siphon our leftovers.

Hope that makes more sense! It certainly will be tough to trade a WR. I'm not sure Aiken or Marlon Brown even have much value in trade..

 

Value is all in what another team sees and is willing to give. I agree non of our WRs seem to have much value, but I didn't expect Gino to get traded and we see how that played out. I don't think anyone will get traded but I do agree that they'll be some tough decisions. But if I had to guess right now, without any inside info of course. I'd say Pitta starts the season on PUP and the Ravens keep 7 WRs.

 

Smith, Brown, Perriman, Butler, Aiken, Waller, Carter and Camp all in the mix. Worthy needs to get healthy but if he plays as well as I think he may be a IR/PS guy. It sounds bad to say but I think the coaches will be looking for the slightest nick or injury in preseason to be able to stash a couple of these guys on IR. Still can't see both Camp and Carter making the team, especially if Butler continues to have a solid showing in the slot. It'll be fun to watch, got about 3 weeks until the fun starts. 

[January J]

Value is all in what another team sees and is willing to give. I agree non of our WRs seem to have much value, but I didn't expect Gino to get traded and we see how that played out. I don't think anyone will get traded but I do agree that they'll be some tough decisions. But if I had to guess right now, without any inside info of course. I'd say Pitta starts the season on PUP and the Ravens keep 7 WRs.

Smith, Brown, Perriman, Butler, Aiken, Waller, Carter and Camp all in the mix. Worthy needs to get healthy but if he plays as well as I think he may be a IR/PS guy. It sounds bad to say but I think the coaches will be looking for the slightest nick or injury in preseason to be able to stash a couple of these guys on IR. Still can't see both Camp and Carter making the team, especially if Butler continues to have a solid showing in the slot. It'll be fun to watch, got about 3 weeks until the fun starts.

no way carter and camp will both make the team. Whoever can stay healthy between the two will get the nod- and right now its leaning towards carter -but a lot can change between now and sep.

SSS- perriman- Aiken - brown- butler - Waller Is how I'm seeing it right now anyway. If we keep 7 then camp and carter will duke it out.

[JoeyFlex5]

At worst, Marlon is good for a couple critical third downs a year. 

at best that about all hes good for as well lol